Duckdice.io [SCAM and SHADY behavior]

[Lutpin]

7btc is a great thing to make but makes no sense in this case, the bonus was only 20% unlocked – so 5 btc is still not a profit but something you need to unlock first.

Taking the whole balance including the initial deposit doesn't make any sense either.
If you argue with logic, also use it whe determining your cancelation policy.

If the user isn't refunded his 2btc deposit i will never adjust or remove my rating.

I concur.

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[1982dre]

You only lose your whole balance if you are unlocking for a while. If you unlock after a few bets, you just lose a little amount.

If I unlock for a while, is it stated "cancel your bonus" or is it stated "cancel your whole balance"?

Why would anyone agree to cancel his whole balance? If you continue to play nothing worse than exactly this can happen!

Got you here, because even after for a while it is still stated Cancel Bonus and not Cancel whole Balance!

Correct because if you cancel the bonus after two rolls you won't lose your whole balance. Just a small amount. The locked balance is getting bigger while rolling.

So get your stats right first before starting such sad site 

[actmyname]

Correct because if you cancel the bonus after two rolls you won't lose your whole balance. Just a small amount. The locked balance is getting bigger while rolling.

So get your stats right first before starting such sad site 

I bet my entire balance two times. Two rolls.

I win one and I lose the subsequent one.

Locked balance goes up past my balance.

I'm now forced to play.

So get your stats right before starting such sad site

[mammabitcoin2u]

Correct because if you cancel the bonus after two rolls you won't lose your whole balance. Just a small amount. The locked balance is getting bigger while rolling.

So get your stats right first before starting such sad site 

I bet my entire balance two times. Two rolls.

I win one and I lose the subsequent one.

Locked balance goes up past my balance.

I'm now forced to play.

So get your stats right before starting such sad site

So now we got 1982dre the "Mod of DuckDice" to add to Feedback for participating in a scam?

trying to get my "stats" right

[RHavar]

7btc is a great thing to make but makes no sense in this case, the bonus was only 20% unlocked – so 5 btc is still not a profit but something you need to unlock first.

I can't for the life of me understand why you don't just restore your players account to the state it was before he canceled his bonus?

Him canceling it was obviously a misunderstanding, the user received no gain and no potential gain by doing so. Reverting it seems like the bare min you can do.

[DuckDice.io]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1676313.msg20368185#msg20368185

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.
2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

[khufuking]

I am really glad that you guys did the right thing . It is always great to see some of the scam accusations threads get solved and end in a good way .
Glad that OP got his money back And I  hope that members who gave you neg rating reconsider removing it after OP confirm the receive of the money .

[DuckDice.io]

I am really glad that you guys did the right thing . It is always great to see some of the scam accusations threads get solved and end in a good way .
Glad that OP got his money back And I  hope that members who gave you neg rating reconsider removing it after OP confirm the receive of the money .

From the very beginning of this issue, we had a principal in this case, we thought our rules were sufficient and OP attitude looked like he only wanted a scandal and not to find a solution.

Despite all this, bitcointalk community is a valuable source of information and since so many people wanted us to change our mind we decided to drop our stubbornness and trust the community.

We won't quit an idea with having deposit bonuses but will rework cancellation algorithm and conduct a detailed guide for Bonus rules. Our current Bonus rules are short now not because we want to mislead someone but because we spend lots of time on site improvements. e.g. today we've released security improvement and in a few weeks, we will introduce complete redesign.

[marlboroza]

Another player got his money back because community pushed gambling site to return money.

despite what we think in this situation we decided to make as our community suggests

If there wasn't bitcointalk this guy would never see his money again.

[markkeian]

I am really glad that you guys did the right thing . It is always great to see some of the scam accusations threads get solved and end in a good way .
Glad that OP got his money back And I  hope that members who gave you neg rating reconsider removing it after OP confirm the receive of the money .

From the very beginning of this issue, we had a principal in this case, we thought our rules were sufficient and OP attitude looked like he only wanted a scandal and not to find a solution.

Despite all this, bitcointalk community is a valuable source of information and since so many people wanted us to change our mind we decided to drop our stubbornness and trust the community.

We won't quit an idea with having deposit bonuses but will rework cancellation algorithm and conduct a detailed guide for Bonus rules. Our current Bonus rules are short now not because we want to mislead someone but because we spend lots of time on site improvements. e.g. today we've released security improvement and in a few weeks, we will introduce complete redesign.

You will definitely regain the the community trust besides i know how good duckdice.io is.

[game-protect]

You only lose your whole balance if you are unlocking for a while. If you unlock after a few bets, you just lose a little amount.

If I unlock for a while, is it stated "cancel your bonus" or is it stated "cancel your whole balance"?

Why would anyone agree to cancel his whole balance? If you continue to play nothing worse than exactly this can happen!

Got you here, because even after for a while it is still stated Cancel Bonus and not Cancel whole Balance!

Correct because if you cancel the bonus after two rolls you won't lose your whole balance. Just a small amount.

Are you not able to understand that it is the criminal offense of fraud to ask me to cancel my 2 BTC bonus and then cancel my whole balance of 7 BTC?

The locked balance is getting bigger while rolling.

So the more I play, the more rake I pay to your house, the more money you will steal from my balance?

So get your stats right first before starting such sad site  

While Game Protect is indeed a sad site for shady criminals like you, I have no idea what is wrong with my stats?

If you put "duckdice.io scam" into google = first page and second entry = good stats  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1676313.msg20368185#msg20368185

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.

2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

Wrong belief!

He clicked the |Cancel Bonus| button and never agreed to cancel his whole balance and therefore your move is juridical not valid and you have to restore his account like it was prior to clicking your fake |Cancel Bonus| button.

If you can not do this technically, then this is your fault and you have to give him 8.15 BTC or at least his 2 BTC deposit and his 5 BTC winnings.

Your Balance will be locked while bonus is active. You can cancel bonus at any time.
Bonus must be wagered 55x to became a part of your balance.

1) According to your terms, the bonus was not part of his balance, so the 5 BTC win was solely based on his 2 BTC deposit.

2) 55x wagering of 2 BTC bonus = 110 BTC minus 23% (25 BTC) already wagered = 85 BTC left to wager to get the 2 BTC bonus

1% house edge of 85 BTC to wager = 0.85 BTC loss.  

So if you restore his account balance of 9 BTC (2 BTC deposit + 5 BTC win + 2 BTC bonus) and he will wager the required 85 BTC to get the bonus, he will statistically lose 0.85 BTC and his account balance will be statistically 8.15 BTC instead of the only 2 BTC deposit you gave him!

[Zepher]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1676313.msg20368185#msg20368185

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.
2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

You know, I am not even going to remove your rating, just make it more "accurate" as time goes on. I have my reasons for this as I will explain.

Had it not been from pressure from the community, you would never have performed this act of refunding this user BTC that was rightfully his in the amount of 2 BTC. This shows that had it not been from pressure from other users here, you would have not given the BTC back and continued to pretend like this was an attack on you and the site. While I am glad to see you refund him, I still think your actions are worthy of a (for now) permanent tag, though I will change it to show that you gave OP his money back. I also applaud you for changing the bonus system, lets see you make it fair for both you and your customer.

Waiting for proof from OP that he got his money back and I will change the rating.

[Ozafejyw782]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1676313.msg20368185#msg20368185

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.
2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

Hello,

To be honest, I am not very happy.

1. You called me a "terrorist" when you were keeping my balance. How funny..

2. You wrote that I was only looking for a scandal. I ended up writing a scam accusations because your co-admin ignored me, some of your mods were laughing at me and you asked me to deposit again to find a solution. You really have no shame...

3. You lied to everyone because you wrote that it was the first time this sort of issue happens. But when we started talking together in PM on Duckdice, you told me that this has already happened and you never refunded anyone.
How many people were just too shy to write a scam accusation against you? You will refund them, won't you?

4. And the funniest part : you can not revert my account to 23% bonus and 9.xx BTC balance. It is just you don't want to let the players win on your website. I deposited 2 BTC, my stats are + 5.088 BTC and I should be happy to get 2 BTC after 10 days ?

I'd like to thank the great bitcointalk community. Everyone who wrote a support message/ red trust on  their account before my message, I would like to share with you a part of my unfull refund. You can send me your bitcoin addresses in PM. I will give those people some coins, because we did it all together.


 I have never been treated like that by the casino in my whole life. I strongly recommend to everyone here to avoid Duck Dice.

The case is half resolved.

[yahoo62278]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1676313.msg20368185#msg20368185

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.
2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

Hello,

To be honest, I am not very happy.

1. You called me a "terrorist" when you were keeping my balance. How funny..

2. You wrote that I was only looking for a scandal. I ended up writing a scam accusations because your co-admin ignored me, some of your mods were laughing at me and you asked me to deposit again to find a solution. You really have no shame...

3. You lied to everyone because you wrote that it was the first time this sort of issue happens. But when we started talking together in PM on Duckdice, you told me that this has already happened and you never refunded anyone.
How many people were just too shy to write a scam accusation against you? You will refund them, won't you?

4. And the funniest part : you can not revert my account to 23% bonus and 9.xx BTC balance. It is just you don't want to let the players win on your website. I deposited 2 BTC, my stats are + 5.088 BTC and I should be happy to get 2 BTC after 10 days ?

I'd like to thank the great bitcointalk community. Everyone who wrote a support message/ red trust on  their account before my message, I would like to share with you a part of my unfull refund. You can send me your bitcoin addresses in PM. I will give those people some coins, because we did it all together.


 I have never been treated like that by the casino in my whole life. I strongly recommend to everyone here to avoid Duck Dice.

The case is half resolved.

I do not personally want a penny from you. As a DT member it's part of my duty to help users who have been scammed. I'm glad you got at least your original money back.

[Lutpin]

I do not personally want a penny from you. As a DT member it's part of my duty to help users who have been scammed.

Seconded. Those are your coins, not ours.

3. You lied to everyone because you wrote that it was the first time this sort of issue happens. But when we started talking together in PM on Duckdice, you told me that this has already happened and you never refunded anyone.
How many people were just too shy to write a scam accusation against you? You will refund them, won't you?

I'd like duckdice to comment on this.


Happy to see the first step being achieved, still a lot of unanswered questions though and not fully resolved, imo.

[mammabitcoin2u]

DuckDice  called everyone terrorists    They tried to scam and got busted, of course they will twist stuff up 

Be happy if you get your deposit back (you aren't entitled to winnings on the bonus - bonus revoked and initial deposit refunded is all you can expect to have this be fair).  I think?  I don't see a tx? 

AGREE THOSE ARE YOUR COINS FOR YOU!!

I don't want anything.  No one should.  There are some here that want to see the right things done and glad this community helped in that.  (again, I don't see a tx)

Have a good day

[Zepher]

I do not personally want a penny from you. As a DT member it's part of my duty to help users who have been scammed.

Seconded. Those are your coins, not ours.

Agreed. That is your money OP, keep it. I am just glad you got your deposit back - I can't say I expected them to refund more than that though.

Happy to see the first step being achieved, still a lot of unanswered questions though and not fully resolved, imo.

I think this is as "resolved" as it is going to get. The only thing is now watching for what they come up with next in relation to their bonus scheme.

[khufuking]

3. You lied to everyone because you wrote that it was the first time this sort of issue happens. But when we started talking together in PM on Duckdice, you told me that this has already happened and you never refunded anyone.
How many people were just too shy to write a scam accusation against you? You will refund them, won't you?

If this is really true that is a totally another story because ya like OP said how many of this people do not know about BCT ! or even know about it but they just give up on there money .

To OP at this point be happy that you got your initial deposit back I know you still down 5 BTC but is is better than losing it all . I am really happy that you got your initial money back . I do not want a penny that is your money  I believe all posted here specially DT members was  just to help .

[1982dre]

3. You lied to everyone because you wrote that it was the first time this sort of issue happens. But when we started talking together in PM on Duckdice, you told me that this has already happened and you never refunded anyone.
How many people were just too shy to write a scam accusation against you? You will refund them, won't you?

If this is really true that is a totally another story because ya like OP said how many of this people do not know about BCT ! or even know about it but they just give up on there money .

To OP at this point be happy that you got your initial deposit back I know you still down 5 BTC but is is better than losing it all . I am really happy that you got your initial money back . I do not want a penny that is your money  I believe all posted here specially DT members was  just to help .

Just go to the site and ask it in the chat. I've been on the site from almost the beginning and the first time I heard it.

[deepaksharma]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1676313.msg20368185#msg20368185

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.
2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

Hello,

To be honest, I am not very happy.

1. You called me a "terrorist" when you were keeping my balance. How funny..

2. You wrote that I was only looking for a scandal. I ended up writing a scam accusations because your co-admin ignored me, some of your mods were laughing at me and you asked me to deposit again to find a solution. You really have no shame...

3. You lied to everyone because you wrote that it was the first time this sort of issue happens. But when we started talking together in PM on Duckdice, you told me that this has already happened and you never refunded anyone.
How many people were just too shy to write a scam accusation against you? You will refund them, won't you?

4. And the funniest part : you can not revert my account to 23% bonus and 9.xx BTC balance. It is just you don't want to let the players win on your website. I deposited 2 BTC, my stats are + 5.088 BTC and I should be happy to get 2 BTC after 10 days ?

I'd like to thank the great bitcointalk community. Everyone who wrote a support message/ red trust on  their account before my message, I would like to share with you a part of my unfull refund. You can send me your bitcoin addresses in PM. I will give those people some coins, because we did it all together.


 I have never been treated like that by the casino in my whole life. I strongly recommend to everyone here to avoid Duck Dice.

The case is half resolved.

We are happy u got your initial deposit back & thank u making us aware of their scam tactics