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Also, this is thread #2 about this issue, is it not?

The community needs proof either way here, and especially since OP is leveling an accusation against a trusted member of bitcointalk.  OP really ought to have taken the time to put together all the screenshots and so forth before opening up a scam accusation, no?

Also, this is thread #2 about this issue, is it not?

Sorry to hear that you have mental issues but there is no reason to randomly accuse people of being an alt-account.

First of all, having mental issues is not an excuse. I know people who suffer Bipolar Disorder and live a normal life while they take their medication, stop trying to exploit something that is trivial in this case.

Fore more information I believe the user isoneguy is referring to this transaction on blockchain.info https://blockchain.info/tx/108d84856eae891f06a3ea1359be26ed3c690bdfc195a099187299ac6714c611

I was actually lurking on those post and wanted to buy a GPU my self, please OGNasty, would you care to elaborate on what happened here?
isoneguy you have to provide more proof of what exactly happened, Jesus Christ get your shit together.

Also, OGnasty...can you prove that you're yourself by another means? It should be easy, just go outside and take a picture of your house again...we've all seen it.

I LOL'ed so hard at that, I think my diaper is compromised, and you can quote me on that.

You're like that guy who wanted a picture of someone with a shoe on his head, holding out a sign with his name on it.  How about a signed message?  And even that is more than I suspect he'll think he needs to prove.  Also, the more threads you create, the worse you make yourself look, like all these people with the Lauda threads.  Just quit while you're ahead and let the community be the judge.

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He refused because of "rules of escrow" and then told me he'd refund to the coinbase account...bunch of bullshit never happened now here we are.
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...  I follow the rules of my escrow service to protect honest users.

you're like that guy that laughs at other people's misfortunes

it's funny how many smart people are so pathetic without honor or integrity

How the hell am I supposed to support the community

I guess this is the escrowed transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/108d84856eae891f06a3ea1359be26ed3c690bdfc195a099187299ac6714c611
Right?

and I see no refund transactions to sending address tought OP stated:

@Ognasty
Have you send any refund? Can you share where you send it including proof of signed message from the original sending address?
Some reaction of yours would help a lot ( simple reply "This user is a liar and an attempted scammer" is not enough)
What you mean by:
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I can see 3 rules in your ANN thread. And only 2nd one seems to be applicable for this case (which means you shopuld provide proof asked above).

I'm not laughing at you, but your expectations seem to be a little, eh, inflated.  I don't wish you ill by any means,  but the multiple threads and negs left for people who are just posting their opinion,  that's not working in your favor thus far.  Has OGnasty addressed your claims specifically?   I'm waiting for that to happen,  if it ever does.  I'm not smart, just a fed up, jaded, cynical human being.

Yes, that is the escrow transaction.

OG repeatedly said he was sending me the money and just decided to flake...what's the best way to set a bounty?

I may have missed it but I don't see where OG made his escrow rules clear so if that didn't happen that's a knock on him.  It isn't in his sig.  I do see why he has those rules though and can't knock him for that.  Did the rules get exchanged beforehand?

Too bad. Prove you aren't him or help me get my money back and I'll remove the negative trust.

2. I will not refund a Bitcoin address that is not the sending address without a signed message from the sending address.

Nope, I've escrowed with him like 5 times and he's never given me the rules. Hell I even bought one of his bitpics because nobody was bidding on them...I was under the impression that we'd built enough rapport that he'd be able to figure out what was going on instead of robbing me and calling me a liar.

Nope, I've escrowed with him like 5 times and he's never given me the rules. Hell I even bought one of his bitpics because nobody was bidding on them...I was under the impression that we'd built enough rapport that he'd be able to figure out what was going on instead of robbing me and calling me a liar.

I mean...he's never really done anything special for me even though I've always made our escrow experiences and simple as possible.

Fuck I regret not escrowing through phil

well, I requested it to my forum address as I expected it would be a pain to do via coinbase. I figured proving who I was would be enough.

Look...same address.

But, I don't care where it gets refunded to as long as it get's refunded.

OGnasty just ghosted now and didn't even return to the sending address like he promised. So far it's been a lot slower this way.

I'm not trying to scam anyone I just want my money returned.

I had this problem today.

Miner wasn't broken....it was too cold.

if I saved you some hash blade repair cost satoshi's go here: 1J58WZ948mo3QCzhpZKWuVgaYvZQ6tjiTF

Too bad. Prove you aren't him or help me get my money back and I'll remove the negative trust.

Also, OGnasty...can you prove that you're yourself by another means? It should be easy, just go outside and take a picture of your house again...we've all seen it.

he knows who I am...at this point he's just being a dick.

how is me jumping to conclusions any different than everyone else...I'm the one who actually has a reason to be like this.

I've put a note to coinbase regarding the address but I don't really expect anything from them either.

I think the best course of action is OGnasty just refunding me to the address he's already paid out to previously.

The only reason OGnasty couldn't verify my identity would be if he was not the same person.

If he hasn't refunded you in 24 hours or proven that he made you aware of his escrow terms he gets negative trust from me.  That is not how you run a service.  I'm not absolving you of any wrong doing, you have been very difficult from what I can see but you also have some cause to be.  It is unreasonable to hold you to terms he didn't state and ask you to potentially violate your privacy in the process.  Not cool.  You also need to fix your shit and undo the negative trust you gave people unjustly.

I am not going to prove I'm not Og. You're the one accusing me so you should be the one with proof.

FYI I live on the other side of the planet and I'm sure you can find posts in the Local sections in my post history.

my shit getting fixed is waiting on OGnasty...

You gave people negative trust based on zero proof.  It is not right to hold innocent people hostage.

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2. I will not refund a Bitcoin address that is not the sending address without a signed message from the sending address.
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neither is it right to hold money hostage.

an escrow has to be a pillar of the community not some shady character. There are too many scam attempts resulting around OGnasty which is suspicious at least...I think it's time for him to retire.

Phil, thank you for stepping in. I appreciate your assistance.

The people you hit are not holding your money.  I shouldn't have to point this out.

Yup...they call that collateral damage...

If OG wanted to pass burden onto phil (who is more trustworthy) then I would be willing to work on a resolution.

That's your prerogative.  You have negative trust from me and I will never remove it.  

Do you really think someone with that high trust will let himself be taken down with mere 680 dollars?

That's your prerogative.  You have negative trust from me and I will never remove it.  

I'm posting this now so you all know.

OGnasty ripped me off through escrow...and it was him because we used his normal bitcoin address. It's a lot of work typing and taking screenshots and such so be patient.

I'll update with proper details and proof here shortly.

I'm planning on taking this all the way so if you know OGnasty please talk to him and help him return my bitcoin and pm me the transaction ID(like he promised that asshole) so coinbase will return my funds.

If anyone knows how I can find OGnasty in person please let me know so I don't have to waste the time and money doing so on my own.


Also it's illegal to escrow in the United States without an escrow license so I'm going to take that route too.

wonder how much money the IRS would end up asking for...

and god knows what else.

Feel free to chime in and bring a pitchfork. Apparently he ripped a noob off for 3k as well.

I have a mental issue so bear with me...I'll write it out proper just give me time.

What happened::
OGnasty has not repaid the escrow funds on a failed escrow.
I provided irrefutable proof of my identity to OGnasty with information from previous trades we had made together so that he may refund me to my forum bitcoin address.
He refused because of "rules of escrow" and then told me he'd refund to the coinbase account...bunch of bullshit never happened now here we are.

I just wanted to help someone who was trying to sell a bunch of 1060's they accidentally bought.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321

Reference Link:
Link to thread I bought from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2038239.msg20276619#msg20276619

Amount Scammed:
0.25076037BTC which was just under $680 at the time of sending.
this included the escrow fee of .01

heres negative trust on his account from someone else:
https://i.imgur.com/7hgPLtc.jpg

Payment Method:
coinbase/bitcoin

Proof of Payment:
https://i.imgur.com/3MZ9sCB.jpg
transaction url: https://btc.com/108d84856eae891f06a3ea1359be26ed3c690bdfc195a099187299ac6714c611

PM/Chat Logs:

https://i.imgur.com/r2JwaHe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mjqN3XP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wMTkUm9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YXRogGs.jpg

all other messages are me yelling at him to give me the TX ID and him calling me a liar.

Still waiting for repayment.

Additional Notes:
Either he has decided to turn scammer or the account has been sold to a less reputable individual. There is negative trust recently from someone else he apparently scammed.

Why do I get screwed over when trying to help someone?

Okay so while I wait I've been reading up on escrow laws in Arizona (http://www.azdfi.gov/Consumers/Complaints/Complaints.html)

https://i.imgur.com/z9t8WGw.jpg

See it's just a rabbit hole.

You act like trust is as important as reddit points.

I haven't defamed anyone nor threatened bodily harm.

even if you want to take it that way...maybe if you assumed you could misinterpret my words however you'd like. The only thing I've threatened is the bitpic.

I am the account holder that sent the funds. I don't know how to prove it without coin base's intervention.

sorry OG I guess I paid you $680 to lower the quality of your life. I just wanted to build a computer.

I guess the goal was to try and get me to stop protecting users with my escrow service?

Anyway, I can't follow all these threads. I responded in the below post that all he has to do is agree to receive the funds back to the sending address. I'm not going to waste much more time on this. I think it's clear what is happening here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2040752.msg20317068#msg20317068

You do as you wish/what you both agree on.  

Pointing out: Refunding to Coinbase, goes to their HotWallet Coinbase and not to the user.  I can only imagine what will come from that.
The user may say, my funds are lost with Coinbase?  However, if the user agrees to that and understands? THEN

Whatever you 2 agree to is your business.

I've encountered enough scam attempts using this method that I actually had to make a rule about it that I will only send back funds to the sending address.  Many users have had to go through the process of reclaiming from Coinbase as a result of a scam attempt that was averted due to my escrow service.  It is a fairly easy process from what I've heard.  Although I do repeatedly tell users to only send from wallets they control.  People would rather blame an honest person trying to keep their funds safe than claim any personal responsibility it seems.

how many ways do I have to say yes?

still waiting.

he's released it finally...

now I guess we wait on coinbase.

Why didn't you guys go the route where 'isoneguy' gives Ognasty his username,password,2FA to login to his Coinbase account, and look in his transaction history that it was actually him that sent that BTC and Ognasty would send the BTC back to his Coinbase deposit address. This way the BTC address would be different but the owner would be the same with the transaction history as proof.

Because that address looks like it can be some other Coinbase client's deposit address. That's how it usually is with exchanges. Someone's deposits are someone's withdraws. So that 0.25BTC most likely is credited to someone's account. Maybe they will find it odd to have "free btc" and contact coinbase to correct the issue.

However Coinbase support these days is not the greatest when they got like 1,000,000 new users every month and everything is backlogged.

Good luck to you and hope it gets resolved...

Yeah, lets give control over my coinbase account to the person who screwed me out of .25 BTC

isn't it great how his fancy rules forced me to give away bitcoin to what a random person.

I guess that's my generosity allotment for the next fuck...basically until I can recoup that loss.

OGnasty you owe me .25 BTC

You are also not taking responsibility as I have pointed out in in private messages.  You did not make it clear to this asshole what the rules were.  You told me he should have googled your name.  That is not a fucking excuse.  Like I said some of the responsibility is on him but you are totally dodging responsibility.  He may be an asshole but you are being one back.  Take the fucking high road.  I even offered to reimburse you if he was full of shit so I wouldn't have to leave you negative trust.  You're both total assholes.

nope...

I'm still convinced he was attempting to scam me and I'm still out .25 BTC

and if you speak english you'll see I said to do so multiple times. This is still shady af

Lets leave all this shit here for everyone to know about how fun it is to deal with him...and me for that matter.

...I seriously don't think anyone should escrow with OG as he's breaking his local laws by doing so.

Yeah, lets give control over my coinbase account to the person who screwed me out of .25 BTC

isn't it great how his fancy rules forced me to give away bitcoin to what a random person.

I guess that's my generosity allotment for the next fuck...basically until I can recoup that loss.

OGnasty you owe me .25 BTC

3-Coinbase refunds go to THEIR HOT WALLET, not to some random user  ::)

Og Self escrow a bet with me. then decided he won even though he didn't meet the terms of the bet.

@mommabitcoin2u

Are saying his proof of the coinbase transaction is fake?  

@Hellot.........WHAT PART OF THIS WASN'T COINBASE TO BEGIN WITH???

But I will entertain you EVEN IF IT WAS IT DOES NOT GO TO SOME RANDOM USER IT GOES TO COINBASE HOTWALLET NOT SOME RANDOM USER

You will be leaving FAKE feedback Hellot........be careful if you care about your own reputation- DO NOT make FALSE claims.

Hellot. With your thinking, if you were an escrow agent for a day you would have all your users' funds scammed. The community should be thankful that I do not think like you. You repeatedly tried to get me to release the funds to an address supplied by the user, which would have resulted in anyone being able to get funds out of escrow at any time. My rules are in place for a reason and I'm far more experienced dealing with escrows than you. The fact you keep repeating that I should've sent funds to any address the user provided without verifying they in fact sent it is wildly irresponsible. As is your opinion that it isn't the user's responsibility to know the rules of a service they're using. I don't know why you keep pretending like I did something wrong, but you are in fact mistaken in what you think I should have done.

I needed him to agree to the refund and when he did I immediately sent. This issue is done and it should be crystal clear not only why a competent escrow like me is necessary, but also why users like isoneguy should be ignored and avoided at all cost.

This is a great advertisement for my escrow service, as people see the lengths I will go through to keep funds safe, even in he face of personal threats, forum attacks, lies, and unrelenting harassment from multiple parties.

The community decided you were a loser, not me.   ;)

Hellot. With your thinking, if you were an escrow agent for a day you would have all your users' funds scammed. The community should be thankful that I do not think like you. You repeatedly tried to get me to release the funds to an address supplied by the user, which would have resulted in anyone being able to get funds out of escrow at any time. My rules are in place for a reason and I'm far more experienced dealing with escrows than you. The fact you keep repeating that I should've sent funds to any address the user provided without verifying they in fact sent it is wildly irresponsible. As is your opinion that it isn't the user's responsibility to know the rules of a service they're using. I don't know why you keep pretending like I did something wrong, but you are in fact mistaken in what you think I should have done.

I needed him to agree to the refund and when he did I immediately sent. This issue is done and it should be crystal clear not only why a competent escrow like me is necessary, but also why users like isoneguy should be ignored and avoided at all cost.

This is a great advertisement for my escrow service, as people see the lengths I will go through to keep funds safe, even in he face of personal threats, forum attacks, lies, and unrelenting harassment from multiple parties.

That's not how hot wallets work.

Users send bitcoin to their deposit address, which the site sees and credits to the user. Then the site uses those funds to process withdrawals (and consolidate and what not). Very often if you "return to sender" to a site with custodial control like coinbase, you'll just be sending money into some random users deposit address in which a user will get an unexpected deposit. That's not always the case though; it could also be a change address or consolidation one, which they would be able to recover.


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That said, the user asked OG to "return to sender", so I don't think OG did anything wrong here. The user now need to chase it up with coinbase, and should've pre-checked with coinbase to make sure the funds were recoverable if "return to sender" was used.

OGnasty.

If the refund you processed does not involve me receiving my money then you still owe it to me.

I told you to refund the money in a manner that resulted in it returning to my wallet, if you can't do that then you're a failure as an illegal escrow agent of arizona.

Do you know how bounties work? They don't ever really go away...

Taken from their help section:

When a Coinbase user sends digital currency from their wallet, the address it comes "from" is one of Coinbase's many hot wallet addresses. Any coins sent back to that address would be sent to Coinbase, not your own wallet.

There was a term "Hot Wallet" some where in help section.  I'm sure you can find it that too.

Yeah, it'll be sent back to an address that coinbase controls which may or may not be someones deposit address...

I actually run a hot wallet, and have to deal with this all the time.

Your 15 minutes are up.  Sending address has been refunded.  I'm now clicking the ignore button.  

Obviously I'm going to return the funds. It was clear to me there was no deal in place ever. This was about trying to make a scam accusation against me and nothing more. No action I could've taken would have not resulted in this. I'll send the funds tonight. I just wanted other people to see the craziness I was dealing with before moving on to the next step of what is certain to be a long drama this user has created as he begs for attention.

He's behind altcoins?

Ognasty did 911 too :o
We know because the "crazy" guy didn't get his refund *yet.  :'(

He agreed this was what he wanted, so I did it.

I'd be shocked if an operation the size of Coinbase is reusing deposit addresses as sending addresses.

isoneguy has just falsified one of their posts in the [User Generated] - Known alts of anyone thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg20341836#msg20341836

If they are so casual about falsifying a post in such a thread, what other information have they posted that is false?

I can't help if wonder if they are an alt of Wendigo?

I left my feedback for OG based on what I have seen here and after reviewing the chain of events.  I believe he was unprofessional at best and malicious at worst.  I gave this another day to think hard on it and I believe I have been fair.  If you think I have not been fair I am open to discussion.  I fully acknowledge the customer is a Grade A Asshole.  But an escrow should never mishandle customer funds and always do what they can to make sure peoples money is not lost or left in limbo.

In regards to your comment in your negative rating stating that OgNasty not making escrow rules available to his customer prior to his customers using his service, how do you think anyone would know where to send BTC without first going to his escrow thread that clearly has the escrow rules posted?

In regards to the part about OgNasty "mishandl[ing]" customer funds by "knowingly refunding an address the customer does not control" I would point out that OgNasty not only followed instructions of the customer, but also delayed executing these instructions by 15 minutes to give the customer a chance to change his mind. I would say that it would be worse if OgNasty did not follow his customer's instructions.

In regards to the part about OgNasty "mishandl[ing]" customer funds by "knowingly refunding an address the customer does not control" I would point out that OgNasty not only followed instructions of the customer, but also delayed executing these instructions by 15 minutes to give the customer a chance to change his mind. I would say that it would be worse if OgNasty did not follow his customer's instructions.

at least I'm willing to admit I'm an asshole

Archived for immediate reference.

The customer also told OG that he could refund his forum address in his profile.  OG had options, even the option to be stubborn and not send "in the customers best interest" The customer was clearly not thinking clearly as he himself stated in multiple threads yet OG pressed him for a bad option.  Even being warned it would cause the customer more distress.  Cummon.  I will remove the negative trust in a heartbeat if he shows where he made the customer aware of the escrow terms.  Did he even ask if the customer knew?  I said multiple times I would not leave negative trust if he could show me he informed the customer of his terms.  They aren't even linked in his forum profile or his sig which he uses for advertising and making money.  I know how a good service works and OG just refuses to take any responsibility here for anything.  Blows me away.
 
Edited multiple typos because beer.

Well I guess my question is, considering that OgNasty only uses one address for all of his (both escrow and personal) transactions, how does OgNasty know with certainty that it was really isoneguy that sent the BTC to escrow? I would again state that in order for isoneguy to know what address to send the BTC to, he would need to first visit OgNasty's escrow thread. I would also point out that if I were to send you money to one of your addresses, it would not be fair for me to dictate terms of a trade if you had not previously agreed to terms.

I don't think you looked at this case very well.  I'm not trying to be insulting if you look at the evidence the OP posted you can clearly see OG asking if he needs escrow and providing an address.  

Okay, fair point about isoneguy potentially not having to visit OgNasty's escrow thread. I would still stand by my point that terms were not previously agreed to by both parties. One could argue that the terms were ambiguous, and in general courts will interpret ambiguous terms of a contract to benefit the party who did not write the contract, and I would argue the initial PM to OgNasty would constitute writing the initial terms (although this is not explicitly clear). Also, OgNasty did not pull these terms out of his ass, they were previously documented, your issue seems to be that you don't know with certainty that isoneguy knew about the terms as of when he sent the BTC, and when he was solicited to send the BTC.

OP claims to have done business with OG 5 other times without it being stated.  OG is suggested for escrow all over the place and I see no evidence the customer knew the rules.  That isn't even the biggest issue for me.  For me he let this draw out and antagonized the customer, he made it worse so we would all see it.  He told me that in a private message and I quoted it in a previous post in this thread..  The customer doesn't have his money as best I am aware.  I think this is a fucked situation.  Neither side helped and they both have negative feedback from me.  

Correction get the facts right not being a dick but seriously get the facts right.

1- Isoneguy talked about not wanting to use escrow with the other guy NOT OG
2-Isoneguy wanted OG to NOT return funds from the Originating Address but to his own.  So how about this for you Hellot, why didn't Isoneguy just use that address in the first place?
3-Your feedback is incorrect and false, please fix it and make it accurate
4-Do NOT assume.....they MAY of had a history......but since it hasn't been mentioned, I'll bet "this" didn't happen before, ie send to a different address
5-You aren't aware of a lot of things as it appears from this thread/postings.
6-Finally receiving an answer it's drawing anything out.....the MINUTE Isoneguy said OK refund the Originating address..OG got to work on sending it
7-Let Isoneguy deal with "Coinbase" they have his funds NOT OG.
8-I got some bus fare  ;) I just had to  :D it's too funny.

Thank you for organizing this.
  
1- Isoneguy talked about not wanting to use escrow with the other guy NOT OG

This has no relevance to my feedback. I didn't say that was because of your feedback.  You said, I don't think you looked at this case very well.  I'm not trying to be insulting if you look at the evidence the OP posted you can clearly see OG asking if he needs escrow and providing an address.  Maybe we got lost in translation? My ears? eyes
  
2-Isoneguy wanted OG to NOT return funds from the Originating Address but to his own.  So how about this for you Hellot, why didn't Isoneguy just use that address in the first place?

He sent from Coinbase.  You do not have that type of control over the sending address with coinbase.  I have seen you say on two different times that he did not use coinbase yet the evidence is there.  Again, I am not sure what OP used. IF you see the messages you will see OP saying "I lied" and OG saying you lied about using coinbase, messages and threats (thats not verbatim except the "I lied")  AND I did say, if this was Coinbase, then OP got NO problem getting the funds back into that Coinbase account.........He said he filed a support ticket with Coinbase.  So not only should Coinbase credit the account.........but OP should receive funds from OG too?  That's not gonna fly w/me.  Sorry, he needs to finish up with Coinbase, they have the funds NOT OG.

3-Your feedback is incorrect and false, please fix it and make it accurate

Show me exactly how it is false and I will fix it. Your feedback: OGNasty mishandled customer funds by knowingly refunding an address the customer does not control. Mishandled means he didn't follow the rules of an escrow, released funds w/o authorization, released funds to someone elses wallet.  OG stuck to the rules and he is catching hell for sticking with it. OGNasty does not make his escrow rules available to the customer before doing business and expects you to find them on your own. How are the rules not available if you are seeking a service you search and read the post and then possibly proceed. Just because I know he does escrow, doesn't mean I'm going to blindly say, Hey OG here's some $ be an escrow for me. It is on the consumer to know the policy, I'm sure its (I haven't looked) but would be the 1st page.  Make sure you know his rules or he will fuck you with them if he doesn't like you. How can you claim that? Although OP is nutty, and I dislike a liar, I wouldn't screw him on something (but then again I wouldn't ever deal with em) This is unprofessional behavior from someone running a service. You have been warned!

4-Do NOT assume.....they MAY of had a history......but since it hasn't been mentioned, I'll bet "this" didn't happen before, ie send to a different address

Good policy, don't assume. Agree, and still, again I'll bet "this" refund me to a different address WITHOUT a prior agreement ever happened.  I could be wrong, I am assuming because it has NOT been mentioned.

5-You aren't aware of a lot of things as it appears from this thread/postings.

Show me what I am missing.  We are trying now

6-Finally receiving an answer it's drawing anything out.....the MINUTE Isoneguy said OK refund the Originating address..OG got to work on sending it

OG pushed for a bad outcome. He pushed to finally hear Refund My Originating Address, I'll deal with Coinbase is something OP said either there or thereafter.  He didn't take the best path for his customer.  He DID the best path for the customer which IS the Wallet Address where the fund Originated from.  THATS PROTECTION.  He can try and claim the customers account might have been hacked but even then he didn't look out for the best interest of the customer.  And he has yet to provide any proof or doubt that the customer was at any time not in control of his account.  It doesn't matter if he was hacked or not.  The funds CAME FROM supposedly Coinbase and have been RETURNED to Coinbase.  There cannot be a dispute about that.

Oh you don't want bus fare :'( I'm sorry again I just had too  :-*

3-Your feedback is incorrect and false, please fix it and make it accurate

Show me exactly how it is false and I will fix it. Your feedback: OGNasty mishandled customer funds by knowingly refunding an address the customer does not control. Mishandled means he didn't follow the rules of an escrow, released funds w/o authorization, released funds to someone elses wallet.  OG stuck to the rules and he is catching hell for sticking with it. OGNasty does not make his escrow rules available to the customer before doing business and expects you to find them on your own. How are the rules not available if you are seeking a service you search and read the post and then possibly proceed. Just because I know he does escrow, doesn't mean I'm going to blindly say, Hey OG here's some $ be an escrow for me. It is on the consumer to know the policy, I'm sure its (I haven't looked) but would be the 1st page.  Make sure you know his rules or he will fuck you with them if he doesn't like you. How can you claim that? Although OP is nutty, and I dislike a liar, I wouldn't screw him on something (but then again I wouldn't ever deal with em) This is unprofessional behavior from someone running a service. You have been warned!

I'll address what is actually relevant here.  You also take the position that the responsibility lies with the customer.  I do not agree that 100% of the responsibility is on the customer.  The service provider has a responsibility to state the rules or try and make sure they are known.  No where is that apparent here.  The OP has stated it didn't happen and I'm tired of repeating it.  This is completely ignoring the real problem here.  The escrow pushed for a solution they knew was bad or not ideal at best.  OP appears to still not have their money.  Why would you do that if you are looking out for your customer?  I'll also remind you he has provided no proof that he had cause to believe the OPs account was compromised.

1st you probably missed the quote from OP while responding.

2nd I'm in USA and that's how it works here.  Ex.  I hurry and jump on a bus and pay the fare.  THEN I realize I'm on the wrong bus.  The bus driver should give me a refund? Absolutely not.  But we aren't talking about that.  We are talking about something that HAS been REFUNDED & tx provided.

Based on what's been said here by OP, 5x, it is reasonable to infer OP knows the rules.

The escrow had to pin him down to finally say........send it back to where it came from.  The OP went off on a tangent all over the board instead.  YET finally OP clearly and without a doubt says send it back and it was done. 

OP "appears" to still not have their funds:  1-so OP claims again, OP cannot be believed, if you want to believe that that's on you. 2-That's Coinbase responsibility and OP states he sent in a ticket.

Who cares if his account WAS/WAS NOT hacked.  The POINT IS funds came from XXXXXX and returned to XXXXX.

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/TzasL#selection-4305.30-4304.1

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Please don't take offense.  Your reply doesn't in any way show that my assessment is contrary to the facts and in fact your reply relies on a lot of assumption.  Unless you can disprove what I have said in my negative trust I will not remove it.

Nothing offends me, just stones, these are just words.  I'm not asking you to remove it.  I asked to fix it.  Your assessment is not on the facts. They are here, everyone can see them. Yet you are ignoring them and relying on your "feelings".  Maybe you are in a different country and do things differently there? idk

X came from A  and X was returned to A...............that's just the facts you don't want to see.

OGNasty mishandled customer funds by knowingly refunding an address the customer does not control. OGNasty does not make his escrow rules available to the customer before doing business and expects you to find them on your own. Make sure you know his rules or he will fuck you with them if he doesn't like you. This is unprofessional behavior from someone running a service. You have been warned!

I would have archived the veiled death threat LOL
Bob beat me to it.

I see a grey area a bit *maybe.
Like QuickSeller was pointing out..
I think this guy has made his problem far worse by having such a horrendous attitude.
Had he been "nice" he may have gotten a better result.

I never used an escrow ever once.
I have no dog in this race but i side with Nasty.

At the end of the day this guy got his refund but may have to bug Coinbase about it.
So what is the problem ?
Did Coinbase say they won't give it back ?

What is with all the drama ?

I been archiving this.  His attitude got nothing to do with having funds returned back.  His attitude is what dragged it out and still continues.  But according to OP he's gotta ticket with Coinbase.  Not my problem Coinbase got OP's $ not OG  :D  Better watch out or else OP gonna say you owe him now  :D

This drama.....it's just some way of scamming funds with a cherry of discrediting OG and the kicker - other's wanting his spot.  That's all I'm getting.

I never really trusted anyone on this board, not even OG.  I think early on, I've even posted that. But after this I can honestly say, I do trust him.  Which leads me to looking at what he's got going on.........nastyfans seats n what not.  Super cool Green Project.  I just need some time/research if it's for me.


@Hellot, The "human interaction" has nothing to do with this.  This is about OP being refunded and it was done.  You think? Macy's is gonna use some "human interaction" and forget the rules of a receipt?

OK how about this:  Why do you believe the funds should go elsewhere, NOT the originating address?   Because you said so and AFTER it happened?  Because of Coinbase?  Why because Coinbase won't return funds?

Is OG out any funds?  The OP appears to be.  I don't even like the OP!  Wake me if you can contradict my feedback.

mammabitcoin2u wants some green trust obviously. Or has a lot of free time to bicker around for nothing.

Unless I misunderstood things, I thought OG was out ~0.25 BTC.

He returned to the sending address. How did you not receive your funds back ?

mammabitcoin2u wants some green trust obviously. Or has a lot of free time to bicker around for nothing.

Or maybe he's my alt.  Or maybe I'm an alt of wendigo.  Lol
You blow a lot of smoke, guy, even though your command of the English language is formidable.  
Glad this whole issue is dying down a bit.  Hope OP solves his issue, which is now a coinbase problem
and not an ognasty problem.

It's an OGnasty problem until it's resolved.

And then ripples you know? My 680$ is worth less now :/

Or maybe he's my alt.  Or maybe I'm an alt of wendigo.  Lol
You blow a lot of smoke, guy, even though your command of the English language is formidable. 
Glad this whole issue is dying down a bit.  Hope OP solves his issue, which is now a coinbase problem
and not an ognasty problem.

OG has in no way been compromised - say what you want about him, but he has proven his opsec game is strong..

OG is a prized dick head though, he has gone out of his way to stop the client receiving his funds in a timely manner, there are multiple ways OG could of helped his escrow client out here, there are plenty of people who have dealt with OP and could assist - another escrow even offered to take the burden of the escrow from OG, Hellot offered to cover OG against any scam attempt.

but.. the stubborn always right attitude of OG... the same bloke who went all in on BFL and cost his nasty fans hundreds and hundreds of BTC losses - the OG who has 0 customer service skills..

I still don't have my $680

wait...that's $630 now due to OG's mishandling of my funds.

It's good to know that OG will make your money worth less.

...you quite literally told him to do it


If you hadn't explicitly told him to do it, then I would agree with you that OGNasty needs to be more flexible and accept alternate proof (such as the tlsnotary from your coinbase account showing the send) or what ever.  However that's not what happened here, you gave instructions for him to release the funds to the sending address and he did so. It's pretty clear cut.

Imagine the opposite happened:  You told him to return-to-sender and he refused. Then you'd be crying scam, and would have a right to do so.

You agreed.
So your topic title is pure retardation.
Further more you talk little of how it's been going with Coinbase.
For all we know you got your money long ago.

Must really suck to be you, huh ? Not having control of your own keys ?

Lesson learned, buttercup.

 :-*

Coinbase has no business to take care of you problem, There is still have another some important to do than you  ::)

Hellot sent me repeated PMs trying to get me to release funds to an address provided by a suspected compromised account until I was forced to block him. He continues to claim I acted incorrectly when I followed my publicly stated rules, refunding the sending address of my escrow service within 24 hours per the user's and Hellot's public request to ensure the funds were returned back to their rightful owner. I showed my escrow rules were publicly stated prior to entering the agreement but that was still not enough for Hellot. I can only conclude this user is irrational and I would not trust him with my funds.

Looks like OGNasty decided to give me negative feedback for honestly evaluating this scam accusation.  

Counter-Ratings like yours (even though you didnt word it as such) are part of how the system works. If someone thinks my rating was given unjustified they can leave an additional rating to reflect this.

I have left a counter rating, which is the appropriate use of the trust system

Hellot, who was in no way involved in the escrow

threatened to leave me negative trust

If anyone's negative deserves to be countered, it is his.  

That is clear to anyone.

This is yet another example of attempted bullying via extortion (send BTC to this address or else...) and considering you, Lauda, were already fired as a staff member of this forum for extorting users, it is no surprise you stand up for others who engage in the same behavior.  

This is just another example of why I don't trust your ratings, and feel that your personal vendettas are absolutely ruining any shred of credibility you may have once had.  

Source, evidence for this claim?

Hellot's negative rating does not affect your trust score. This can not be said for your rating on him.

Ad hominem? False equivalency? Nice argument.

Personal vendettas? Maybe you need to take a better look in the mirror. You are using this as an excuse for the invalid exclusion of several people (surprise, surprise?). You have countered several of my ratings whilst attempting to make them look like valid ratings (in that form, they are not). Let's not play the pretend game when your play is quite obvious. ::)

Hellot, who was in no way involved in the escrow threatened to leave me negative trust unless I broke my publicly stated escrow rules and sent funds to an unsafe address, which if I had done so we all know would have resulted in me being accused of aiding a scam and told that I owe the funds.  So I got the escrow user's approval to refund the sending address, which I did.  If anyone's negative deserves to be countered, it is his.  That is clear to anyone.  This is yet another example of attempted bullying via extortion (send BTC to this address or else...) and considering you, Lauda, were already fired as a staff member of this forum for extorting users, it is no surprise you stand up for others who engage in the same behavior.  This is just another example of why I don't trust your ratings, and feel that your personal vendettas are absolutely ruining any shred of credibility you may have once had.  

You countered a trust rating without even reading the reference link?

Another example of why I don't trust your ratings...

No, this is called explanation of a hypothesis using facts.

Sounds like you're paranoid and making false allegations.  You are the one who has stated you counter my ratings (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2040831.msg20608280#msg20608280), not the other way around.

There's really no reason for this petty bickering.  I did nothing wrong.  That is clear for everyone to see.  Refunding a sending address with a user's consent is perfectly reasonable and the fact that it turned into this public display should be enough for any reasonable person to determine what is really going on here.  I'd like for that to be my last comment on this subject.

Neither is the case. At least I do not attempt to hide counter ratings by disguising them as valid ratings which conveniently get posted after mine.

I only see another example of you countering an honest rating of mine.

Then again, you trust extortionists/blackmailers such as defcon23 (https://i.imgur.com/ex4xVJp.png). Why are you complaining about Hellot's alleged "extortion" then? ::)

Then again, you trust extortionists/blackmailers such as defcon23 (https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3daEo.png). Why are you complaining about Hellot's alleged "extortion" then? ::)

I've only had positive interactions with defcon23 involving multiple sales, adverting agreements, and escrows.

The only person I've seen verifiable evidence they are an extortionist is you.  

You do make a good point that proven extortionists shouldn't be trusted though...  I would pose your same question to anyone who has left you positive trust.

I've only had positive interactions with defcon23 involving multiple sales, adverting agreements, and escrows.  The only person I've seen verifiable evidence they are an extortionist is you.  You do make a good point that proven extortionists shouldn't be trusted though...  I would pose your same question to anyone who has left you positive trust.

Blazed who is a DT member has left defcon23 positive trust twice.  Why single me out?  Even Mitchell who is a staff member here has left him positive trust.

...
*trying to inject some love*

Do you truly think that I have not complained about this? ::) Their ratings were left before defcon23 was fully exposed as the blackmailer/extortionists that he is and they have a tendency not to revoke past ratings (which is also something that I tend to complain about).

Rather than injecting love, how about you comment on the trust rating left on Hellot?

It's a little harsh, given that OGNasty is on DT, but I've also seen you be harsh as well.  

DT members, in my opinion, should have a fairly thick skin when it comes to name calling, having scam accusations leveled at them, etc., and I do think OG's feedback here is probably unwarranted.  

But you've said it repeatedly in other threads--if you don't trust someone,  you're justified in leaving a neg.  That's how our broken-ass trust system works.

This is exactly the kind of abuse that I was briefly discussing in another thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2039657.msg20301343#msg20301343), where people try to make their rating valid/warranted by masking it with the wording "I don't trust this user" (and similar modifications).

Then again, you trust extortionists/blackmailers such as defcon23 (https://i.imgur.com/ex4xVJp.png).

I've only had positive interactions with defcon23 involving multiple sales, adverting agreements, and escrows.  The only person I've seen verifiable evidence they are an extortionist is you.  You do make a good point that proven extortionists shouldn't be trusted though...  I would pose your same question to anyone who has left you positive trust.

Blazed who is a DT member has left defcon23 positive trust twice.  Why single me out?  Even Mitchell who is a staff member here has left him positive trust.

I find you complaining about extortion ironic considering that you are an extortionist yourself.

Hellot, who was in no way involved in the escrow threatened to leave me negative trust unless I broke my publicly stated escrow rules and sent funds to an unsafe address, which if I had done so we all know would have resulted in me being accused of aiding a scam and told that I owe the funds.

So I got the escrow user's approval to refund the sending address, which I did.

If anyone's negative deserves to be countered, it is his.

That is clear to anyone.

This is yet another example of attempted bullying via extortion (send BTC to this address or else...)

Irrelevant.

No, this is called explanation of a hypothesis using facts.

Sounds like you're paranoid and making false allegations.  You are the one who has stated you counter my ratings (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2040831.msg20608280#msg20608280), not the other way around.

The only person I've seen verifiable evidence they are an extortionist is you.

Blazed who is a DT member has left defcon23 positive trust twice.  Why single me out?  Even Mitchell who is a staff member here has left him positive trust.

Hey OG

Does your last name start with an L, a C or an S?

dan?

Has anyone else received a PM like this from isoneguy:
How does he know names?

Hey OG

Does your last name start with an L, a C or an S?

I've got your identity narrowed down to a small group of people and I want to make sure I get the right one.

Apparently I have hyperthymesia so it's really only a matter of time.

Can I get in on the extortion payout already?  ::) I'd rather it all stayed in the shadows but that's your decision...

sigh...really I could use .25BTC though.
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Jason...right?

You know...it's hard to keep all the little details correct sometimes due to the concussion :D

Harrassment?

Harrassment would be me waiting under your bed until you're asleep to crawl up and stick my tongue in your nose...And maybe peel your eyelid back and lick the under of that as well.

That's harrassment.

By speaking up and not assisting me recover my funds you are acting against me.

@OgNasty
Is screenshot evidence not sufficient enough to prove that isoneguy owns the coinbase account? If not then under what circumstances would you accept that the account has remained in the hands of the original user? (Other than contacting coinbase directly)

Now that you've chosen a side...what's your name?

Also I'm torn between these two broad-heads...the one on the left looks like it would be really fun...but the one on the right is cuter.

Oh and I stopped throwing a fit days ago...this is something else.

What if what this was...is a craaaazy person with an air-powered crossbow.

Did you know they wouldn't let me carry it on the plane?

I had to mail it to Utah.

Damnit...I really just want to build computers. And now you've got me researching all sorts of strange things.

What happened to the Bitpic?

What's my name ?

This is the proper way to do this.  You should remove the negative trust you left for people defending him because you accused them of being alts without proof.  Many people have dealt with OG and will naturally defend him.  Some hold his coins and will have a bias.  But proof is what matters and most of us will be looking at it and deciding ourselves.

YEa this same IDIOT left me negative trust for no reason I found this thread because it is in his signature... I think he is slow or has something wrong with him. How can I report this to a mod this is absurd. I looked at the negative trust he left and looks like recently he just sent a bunch of negative trust to random users...

When I asked him why he left negative feedback he replied maybe you should ask ognasty because it is his fault.... after reading just 2 posts in this thread I know hes outta his mind...

all those users were most likely your noob alt accounts that you were trying to account farm with...good luck with that. aand please take it from the computer hardware area because there's too much trash here as it is

So.

They mailed my crossbow to the wrong location in Utah.

Now I'm just waiting around in Providence...entertaining myself.

I thought about OGnasty again and punched this raccoon (http://imgur.com/CXFAEUI) to death out of anger.

What a wonderful world we live in.

If you are suggesting that you have better stealth and agility than Montana wolves and coyotes at night, then I really don't know how to respond to that.

Do you have any idea what some of us like to do "for fun", at 3am, on horseback in the middle a field, looking through night vision scopes, with your partner using thermal goggles, while protecting our herds ?

Let us say that we do not have much of a problem with predation in our area.

 Get your sick mind out of the gutter.

 And they say homosexuals are degenerate...

I'll take your word for it, weirdo.

Not sure how you think I'm dressed, but no. Have you ever seen how the average cattle rancher dresses ? The only thing not average about me here in Montana is the color of my skin, but that doesn't matter to my community.

Alright cupcake. This earns you a block, along side the Flat Earth crowd. No reasoning with you it seems.

Have a nice life, buttercup.

Alright cupcake. This earns you an ignore, and some negative rep, along side the Flat Earth crowd. No reasoning with you it seems.

Have a nice life, buttercup.

What are you going on about?
And can you explain what it has in detail with the topic title?
So what is the deal here?
Create an inflammatory topic on a known user then use it as a spring board for attention?
Because that is all I see going on here.

But let's recap.
Nasty asked you if you wanted the money refunded to where it was sent from.. Coinbase.
You are on the record saying.. YES.
So.. What is the problem?
Didn't get your money back?
Then why didn't you create a topic on Coinbase instead then?
And what indication here we have that Nasty's account was compromised?
Reality is none.
Because you are a fucking idiot.
You have a problem because your a moron.

Instead of owning up to your stupidity you claim his account was compromised and he scammed you.

Now.. After a month you are attacking anyone on this topic dragging it on.
Why?
Is this helping your little cause against nasty?
Or.. Helping you get your money back?

I think you got your refund a long looooong time ago and have since just been acting like a little asshole on this topic just to be a vindictive little fucking pick.

You wonder why no one has any sympathy for you after reading the 12 pages on this topic?
I'll tell you.. You are an idiot  :D

I think he's in too deep planning his revenge fantasy.

The dude seems a full bubble off-level.

Bellend.

Take responsibility for your mistake and move on.

You fucked up.

Get over it.

Also, improve your attitude while you are at it, and quit being such a whiny little cunt.

You wonder why no one has any sympathy for you after reading the 12 pages on this topic?
I'll tell you.. You are an idiot  :D

Why did you send me a single emoji via a PM? I am having trouble deciphering your intentions.

He pm'd me the name Skylar.
Not my name.

I reckon' the fella ain't right.

He's one guy, with many voices in his head, and myriad delusions of grandeur.

He pm'd me the name Skylar.
Not my name.

Looking at the title I thought it was a new thread but when clicked upon I realised it's the same butthurt guy.
Felling bad now that this thread is still here.

lemon bars...mmmm