OGnasty has been compromised. |ID!0T|

[isoneguy]

I may have missed it but I don't see where OG made his escrow rules clear so if that didn't happen that's a knock on him.  It isn't in his sig.  I do see why he has those rules though and can't knock him for that.  Did the rules get exchanged beforehand?

Nope, I've escrowed with him like 5 times and he's never given me the rules. Hell I even bought one of his bitpics because nobody was bidding on them...I was under the impression that we'd built enough rapport that he'd be able to figure out what was going on instead of robbing me and calling me a liar.

I mean...he's never really done anything special for me even though I've always made our escrow experiences and simple as possible.

Fuck I regret not escrowing through phil

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[actmyname]

Too bad. Prove you aren't him or help me get my money back and I'll remove the negative trust.

Prove you're not TradeFortress. /s
Asking for proof of not being someone is pretty hard.

2. I will not refund a Bitcoin address that is not the sending address without a signed message from the sending address.

@OgNasty
Is screenshot evidence not sufficient enough to prove that isoneguy owns the coinbase account? If not then under what circumstances would you accept that the account has remained in the hands of the original user? (Other than contacting coinbase directly)

Nope, I've escrowed with him like 5 times and he's never given me the rules. Hell I even bought one of his bitpics because nobody was bidding on them...I was under the impression that we'd built enough rapport that he'd be able to figure out what was going on instead of robbing me and calling me a liar.

1) Shouldn't you have known the rules by now?
2) Given that you have had trade history, requesting for a refund to a non-sending address is suspicious.

[Hellot]

I may have missed it but I don't see where OG made his escrow rules clear so if that didn't happen that's a knock on him.  It isn't in his sig.  I do see why he has those rules though and can't knock him for that.  Did the rules get exchanged beforehand?

Nope, I've escrowed with him like 5 times and he's never given me the rules. Hell I even bought one of his bitpics because nobody was bidding on them...I was under the impression that we'd built enough rapport that he'd be able to figure out what was going on instead of robbing me and calling me a liar.

I mean...he's never really done anything special for me even though I've always made our escrow experiences and simple as possible.

Fuck I regret not escrowing through phil

OG?

[isoneguy]

well, I requested it to my forum address as I expected it would be a pain to do via coinbase. I figured proving who I was would be enough.



Look...same address.

But, I don't care where it gets refunded to as long as it get's refunded.

[actmyname]

well, I requested it to my forum address as I expected it would be a pain to do via coinbase. I figured proving who I was would be enough.

Look...same address.

But, I don't care where it gets refunded to as long as it get's refunded.

OGnasty just ghosted now and didn't even return to the sending address like he promised. So far it's been a lot slower this way.

I'm not trying to scam anyone I just want my money returned.

(above quote was cross-posted from a Collectibles thread)

Look, isoneguy, I feel like OGNasty's hesitation to send back to the coinbase address is the possibility of it being sunk forever. To avoid that you would have to clear it with Coinbase first so that the situation would be resolved through either:

a) Coinbase stating that the sending address was linked to your account.
b) Coinbase directing future funds from the sending address to your account.


The best course of action right now would be to remain calm and be patient about it instead of freaking out tagging everybody, thinking they're an alt of OG out to get you. You have the linkage between your old address.

I had this problem today.

Miner wasn't broken....it was too cold.

if I saved you some hash blade repair cost satoshi's go here: 1J58WZ948mo3QCzhpZKWuVgaYvZQ6tjiTF

[isoneguy]

he knows who I am...at this point he's just being a dick.

how is me jumping to conclusions any different than everyone else...I'm the one who actually has a reason to be like this.

I've put a note to coinbase regarding the address but I don't really expect anything from them either.

I think the best course of action is OGnasty just refunding me to the address he's already paid out to previously.

The only reason OGnasty couldn't verify my identity would be if he was not the same person.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Sorry to hear that you have mental issues but there is no reason to randomly accuse people of being an alt-account.

Too bad. Prove you aren't him or help me get my money back and I'll remove the negative trust.

Also, OGnasty...can you prove that you're yourself by another means? It should be easy, just go outside and take a picture of your house again...we've all seen it.

I am not going to prove I'm not Og. You're the one accusing me so you should be the one with proof.

FYI I live on the other side of the planet and I'm sure you can find posts in the Local sections in my post history.

[Hellot]

he knows who I am...at this point he's just being a dick.

how is me jumping to conclusions any different than everyone else...I'm the one who actually has a reason to be like this.

I've put a note to coinbase regarding the address but I don't really expect anything from them either.

I think the best course of action is OGnasty just refunding me to the address he's already paid out to previously.

The only reason OGnasty couldn't verify my identity would be if he was not the same person.

If he hasn't refunded you in 24 hours or proven that he made you aware of his escrow terms he gets negative trust from me.  That is not how you run a service.  I'm not absolving you of any wrong doing, you have been very difficult from what I can see but you also have some cause to be.  It is unreasonable to hold you to terms he didn't state and ask you to potentially violate your privacy in the process.  Not cool.  You also need to fix your shit and undo the negative trust you gave people unjustly.

[isoneguy]

If he hasn't refunded you in 24 hours or proven that he made you aware of his escrow terms he gets negative trust from me.  That is not how you run a service.  I'm not absolving you of any wrong doing, you have been very difficult from what I can see but you also have some cause to be.  It is unreasonable to hold you to terms he didn't state and ask you to potentially violate your privacy in the process.  Not cool.  You also need to fix your shit and undo the negative trust you gave people unjustly.

my shit getting fixed is waiting on OGnasty...

I am not going to prove I'm not Og. You're the one accusing me so you should be the one with proof.

FYI I live on the other side of the planet and I'm sure you can find posts in the Local sections in my post history.

that shit is so easy to fake

[philipma1957]

I have an idea.

OgNasty can send me the funds.  I will hold them until he can settle a fair deal with the op.

My profile address is there and has been there for years.

It is a blockchain info hot wallet .  1J.....

This way og will  have proven he offloaded the money.

I know isoneguy home address as I shipped to him.

He can simply show me a photo of a newspaper and a bill from his home address.

@ everyone escrow is really hard to do.

I escrow but frankly many do not follow rules I set and I need to explain why rules are needed.

I have a vested interest here as og does more escrow then me but frankly I don't want to take business from him. I rather this gets fixed not broken

[Hellot]

If he hasn't refunded you in 24 hours or proven that he made you aware of his escrow terms he gets negative trust from me.  That is not how you run a service.  I'm not absolving you of any wrong doing, you have been very difficult from what I can see but you also have some cause to be.  It is unreasonable to hold you to terms he didn't state and ask you to potentially violate your privacy in the process.  Not cool.  You also need to fix your shit and undo the negative trust you gave people unjustly.

my shit getting fixed is waiting on OGnasty...

You gave people negative trust based on zero proof.  It is not right to hold innocent people hostage.

[isoneguy]

If he hasn't refunded you in 24 hours or proven that he made you aware of his escrow terms he gets negative trust from me.  That is not how you run a service.  I'm not absolving you of any wrong doing, you have been very difficult from what I can see but you also have some cause to be.  It is unreasonable to hold you to terms he didn't state and ask you to potentially violate your privacy in the process.  Not cool.  You also need to fix your shit and undo the negative trust you gave people unjustly.

my shit getting fixed is waiting on OGnasty...

You gave people negative trust based on zero proof.  It is not right to hold innocent people hostage.

neither is it right to hold money hostage.

an escrow has to be a pillar of the community not some shady character. There are too many scam attempts resulting around OGnasty which is suspicious at least...I think it's time for him to retire.

Phil, thank you for stepping in. I appreciate your assistance.

[Bitfort]

OK seems I have lost a track a bit. ( so far I was thinking ognasty already told you he sent the refund back but to uknown address )

Lets sum it.
- isoneguy sent BTC to ognasty ( from coinbase ).
- trade failed so isoneguy requested to return BTCs
- but isoneguy did not wanted to be refunded to sending address (coinbase)
- ognasty haven't send any refund yet as he has not received any signed message from sending address (which is impossible if it was coinbase)


My impresion is ognasty just strictly following his rule nr. 2 which I appreciate.

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2. I will not refund a Bitcoin address that is not the sending address without a signed message from the sending address.
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That means the mistake definitely happened on isoneguy side as he used third party walllet provider (without access to private key) not being aware of escow rules (again isoneguys mistake)  
Thus you can't blaim ognasty for strictly following his own  (public known) rules. If you did't read it it's your fault.

But this not mean there is no another way to proof isoneguy is the sender ( coinbase transaction printscreen seems pretty sufficient for this ).

So my opinion is:
@isoneguy - you should apologise to ognasty ( and all others you marked red being his alts ) as this all is mostly your fault (used address you have no private key from)
@ognasty - you should find other way (make exception) how isoneguy can proof those funds ownership without signing a message ( as it's obviously impossible for him)
or
refund the sending address (then it become fully isoneguy's problem how he deals with coinbase, but you will be clear)
... and maybe reconsider your rule nr.2 to be more user friendly ( to me it's valid and relevant rule but as you can see errors happens ) ... just to avoid similar issues in future (or you could ask signed message before receiving funds ... i know this makes things complicated but could safe you/customers lot of troubles)  

[Hellot]

If he hasn't refunded you in 24 hours or proven that he made you aware of his escrow terms he gets negative trust from me.  That is not how you run a service.  I'm not absolving you of any wrong doing, you have been very difficult from what I can see but you also have some cause to be.  It is unreasonable to hold you to terms he didn't state and ask you to potentially violate your privacy in the process.  Not cool.  You also need to fix your shit and undo the negative trust you gave people unjustly.

my shit getting fixed is waiting on OGnasty...

You gave people negative trust based on zero proof.  It is not right to hold innocent people hostage.

neither is it right to hold money hostage.

an escrow has to be a pillar of the community not some shady character. There are too many scam attempts resulting around OGnasty which is suspicious at least...I think it's time for him to retire.

Phil, thank you for stepping in. I appreciate your assistance.

The people you hit are not holding your money.  I shouldn't have to point this out.

[isoneguy]

The people you hit are not holding your money.  I shouldn't have to point this out.

Yup...they call that collateral damage...

If OG wanted to pass burden onto phil (who is more trustworthy) then I would be willing to work on a resolution.

[Reid]

How could people here in the forum help you if you are having a mental breakdown everytime you get mad.
You need the support of other users but yet you are taking the route of a criminal.
A high profile trusted like OG wont be taken down by that. Plus it is not that high of a payment, those transactions are just small.
Do you really think someone with that high trust will let himself be taken down with mere 680 dollars?

[Hellot]

The people you hit are not holding your money.  I shouldn't have to point this out.

Yup...they call that collateral damage...

If OG wanted to pass burden onto phil (who is more trustworthy) then I would be willing to work on a resolution.

That's your prerogative.  You have negative trust from me and I will never remove it.  

[isoneguy]

The people you hit are not holding your money.  I shouldn't have to point this out.

Yup...they call that collateral damage...

If OG wanted to pass burden onto phil (who is more trustworthy) then I would be willing to work on a resolution.

That's your prerogative.  You have negative trust from me and I will never remove it.  

That's fine. I probably deserve it.

Do you really think someone with that high trust will let himself be taken down with mere 680 dollars?

apparently yes. so far he's calling my bluff and I don't like arizona because of the sand.

but I guess I can buy a plane ticket tomorrow and go hunting.

I hate this shit...I want to build not destroy but I'm perfectly capable of both.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The people you hit are not holding your money.  I shouldn't have to point this out.

Yup...they call that collateral damage...

If OG wanted to pass burden onto phil (who is more trustworthy) then I would be willing to work on a resolution.

That's your prerogative.  You have negative trust from me and I will never remove it.  

Collateral damage from an extremely immature person who's lashing out at the community for expressing dissenting views at worst.  And the feedback you left shows that you lack good judgment and common sense.   So too bad for you.  You just ruined your trust page because you acted like an infant.

[isoneguy]

Okay so while I wait I've been reading up on escrow laws in Arizona



See it's just a rabbit hole.

You act like trust is as important as reddit points.