OGnasty has been compromised. |ID!0T|

[mammabitcoin2u]

he's released it finally...

now I guess we wait on coinbase.

And then you added and I lost it when I trusted OG

This is FINISHED COMPLETED DONE STICK A FORK IN IT DONE

Released when you finally agreed to sending back to ORIGINATING address.

https://blockchain.info/tx/53fc3f154b358609a4147db3cda09b6be040ce26acdc38443fd5f88d055d20b4

now GTFOH already 

[isoneguy]

nope...

I'm still convinced he was attempting to scam me and I'm still out .25 BTC

and if you speak english you'll see I said to do so multiple times. This is still shady af

Lets leave all this shit here for everyone to know about how fun it is to deal with him...and me for that matter.

...I seriously don't think anyone should escrow with OG as he's breaking his local laws by doing so.

[adaseb]

Why didn't you guys go the route where 'isoneguy' gives Ognasty his username,password,2FA to login to his Coinbase account, and look in his transaction history that it was actually him that sent that BTC and Ognasty would send the BTC back to his Coinbase deposit address. This way the BTC address would be different but the owner would be the same with the transaction history as proof.

Because that address looks like it can be some other Coinbase client's deposit address. That's how it usually is with exchanges. Someone's deposits are someone's withdraws. So that 0.25BTC most likely is credited to someone's account. Maybe they will find it odd to have "free btc" and contact coinbase to correct the issue.

However Coinbase support these days is not the greatest when they got like 1,000,000 new users every month and everything is backlogged.

Good luck to you and hope it gets resolved...

[isoneguy]

Why didn't you guys go the route where 'isoneguy' gives Ognasty his username,password,2FA to login to his Coinbase account, and look in his transaction history that it was actually him that sent that BTC and Ognasty would send the BTC back to his Coinbase deposit address. This way the BTC address would be different but the owner would be the same with the transaction history as proof.

Because that address looks like it can be some other Coinbase client's deposit address. That's how it usually is with exchanges. Someone's deposits are someone's withdraws. So that 0.25BTC most likely is credited to someone's account. Maybe they will find it odd to have "free btc" and contact coinbase to correct the issue.

However Coinbase support these days is not the greatest when they got like 1,000,000 new users every month and everything is backlogged.

Good luck to you and hope it gets resolved...

Yeah, lets give control over my coinbase account to the person who screwed me out of .25 BTC

isn't it great how his fancy rules forced me to give away bitcoin to what a random person.

I guess that's my generosity allotment for the next fuck...basically until I can recoup that loss.

OGnasty you owe me .25 BTC

[adaseb]

Why didn't you guys go the route where 'isoneguy' gives Ognasty his username,password,2FA to login to his Coinbase account, and look in his transaction history that it was actually him that sent that BTC and Ognasty would send the BTC back to his Coinbase deposit address. This way the BTC address would be different but the owner would be the same with the transaction history as proof.

Because that address looks like it can be some other Coinbase client's deposit address. That's how it usually is with exchanges. Someone's deposits are someone's withdraws. So that 0.25BTC most likely is credited to someone's account. Maybe they will find it odd to have "free btc" and contact coinbase to correct the issue.

However Coinbase support these days is not the greatest when they got like 1,000,000 new users every month and everything is backlogged.

Good luck to you and hope it gets resolved...

Yeah, lets give control over my coinbase account to the person who screwed me out of .25 BTC

isn't it great how his fancy rules forced me to give away bitcoin to what a random person.

I guess that's my generosity allotment for the next fuck...basically until I can recoup that loss.

OGnasty you owe me .25 BTC

How does this scam work exactly I am having trouble following it and the screenshots were cut a little.

Someone makes a fake ad on Bitcointalk like that General guy selling his GTX 1060.

Then he agrees for Escrow and tells you to send BTC to Ognasty's address without consulting with him. Then the scammer contacts Ognasty and says that he sent those BTC, by providing the TXid and to refund to another BTC address?

[snakey]

Its dismal to see this topic for a member like OgNasty who has been here since ever.

[khufuking]

While I feel sorry for OP and I really hope he gets his money back from coinbase I do understand why OGnasty took that route . Few days ago Ognasty got accused of a scam that have something to do with this tactics so all what he was trying to do was to protect users money .

So it is hard situation

- I understand why OP is angry and I hope he gets his money back .

- I understand why Ognasty make this decision .

-- Probably this is a one of this times that 2 honest people get bad understandings from each other . 

[TheNewAnon135246]

I guess the goal was to try and get me to stop protecting users with my escrow service?

Anyway, I can't follow all these threads. I responded in the below post that all he has to do is agree to receive the funds back to the sending address. I'm not going to waste much more time on this. I think it's clear what is happening here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2040752.msg20317068#msg20317068

You do as you wish/what you both agree on.  

Pointing out: Refunding to Coinbase, goes to their HotWallet Coinbase and not to the user.  I can only imagine what will come from that.
The user may say, my funds are lost with Coinbase?  However, if the user agrees to that and understands? THEN

Whatever you 2 agree to is your business.

I've encountered enough scam attempts using this method that I actually had to make a rule about it that I will only send back funds to the sending address.  Many users have had to go through the process of reclaiming from Coinbase as a result of a scam attempt that was averted due to my escrow service.  It is a fairly easy process from what I've heard.  Although I do repeatedly tell users to only send from wallets they control.  People would rather blame an honest person trying to keep their funds safe than claim any personal responsibility it seems.

You are also not taking responsibility as I have pointed out in in private messages.  You did not make it clear to this asshole what the rules were.  You told me he should have googled your name.  That is not a fucking excuse.  Like I said some of the responsibility is on him but you are totally dodging responsibility.  He may be an asshole but you are being one back.  Take the fucking high road.  I even offered to reimburse you if he was full of shit so I wouldn't have to leave you negative trust.  You're both total assholes.

I have to agree with Hellot here. Even though Og is technically right here I expected more professional behaviour from an escrow. Og accused the OP of lying about sending from Coinbase, even though OP proved that he sent them from his CB account. Seems like OP provided enough evidence to prove that his account wasn't compromised. I don't see why providing an alternative address is such a big deal (in this situation).

[TMAN]

nope...

I'm still convinced he was attempting to scam me and I'm still out .25 BTC

and if you speak english you'll see I said to do so multiple times. This is still shady af

Lets leave all this shit here for everyone to know about how fun it is to deal with him...and me for that matter.

...I seriously don't think anyone should escrow with OG as he's breaking his local laws by doing so.

Og Self escrow a bet with me. then decided he won even though he didn't meet the terms of the bet. I wouldn't trust this guy with forum funds, he cant even run a small mining op and make it profitable - I can see no reason for people to use him as escrow any more, he is a cancer in this community with his stubborn ways

[Hellot]

So OG seriously refunded to an address he knew the customer did not control?  Damn, OG, that is super shitty.  You know Coinbase support is slow as fuck, everyone knows and it is a weekend too.  I know you told me it doesn't matter if I leave you neg trust and you are right because you have so much trust but I have to do it tonight if this guy isn't whole.  And I doubt he will be on a Sunday.  I should just do it based on how unprofessional you are.  It looks like you did it out of spite and used your rules as an excuse.  Rules you do not make clear before doing business and expect random people to go find on their own using google.  I would never do business with you based on what I have seen here and I will be selling my nastycoins as soon as I can.
 

[TMAN]

glad to see people are starting to see through OG's facade. He is a greedy and self centered individual, I have even heard nasty club members moan about not being able to sell seats, as soon as they add the seats for sale they think OG is moving his sells lower to undercut them..

[mammabitcoin2u]

Why didn't you guys go the route where 'isoneguy' gives Ognasty his username,password,2FA to login to his Coinbase account, and look in his transaction history that it was actually him that sent that BTC and Ognasty would send the BTC back to his Coinbase deposit address. This way the BTC address would be different but the owner would be the same with the transaction history as proof.

Because that address looks like it can be some other Coinbase client's deposit address. That's how it usually is with exchanges. Someone's deposits are someone's withdraws. So that 0.25BTC most likely is credited to someone's account. Maybe they will find it odd to have "free btc" and contact coinbase to correct the issue.

However Coinbase support these days is not the greatest when they got like 1,000,000 new users every month and everything is backlogged.

Good luck to you and hope it gets resolved...

Yeah, lets give control over my coinbase account to the person who screwed me out of .25 BTC

isn't it great how his fancy rules forced me to give away bitcoin to what a random person.

I guess that's my generosity allotment for the next fuck...basically until I can recoup that loss.

OGnasty you owe me .25 BTC

1-You/Originating Address have been REFUNDED no body owes you shit.
2-You did NOT use Coinbase and even admitted to it in your messages posted.
3-Coinbase refunds go to THEIR HOT WALLET, not to some random user  
4-You attempted to SCAM and failed miserably
5-You have already moved the funds to Coinmal

@khufuking it's not hard to see at all.  There was only 1 honest person OGNasty, the other user just attempted to scam.

@TheNewAnon135246 you are mispeaking.......the OP DID NOT PROVE ANYTHING.  The funds didn't even come from Coinbase.  READ see where OP says, OK I lied.  [I let him continue his charade, because it's easier to close this with "send back to originating address"]

@Hellot.........WHAT PART OF THIS WASN'T COINBASE TO BEGIN WITH???

But I will entertain you EVEN IF IT WAS IT DOES NOT GO TO SOME RANDOM USER IT GOES TO COINBASE HOTWALLET NOT SOME RANDOM USER

You will be leaving FAKE feedback Hellot........be careful if you care about your own reputation- DO NOT make FALSE claims.

[RHavar]

3-Coinbase refunds go to THEIR HOT WALLET, not to some random user  

That's not how hot wallets work.

Users send bitcoin to their deposit address, which the site sees and credits to the user. Then the site uses those funds to process withdrawals (and consolidate and what not). Very often if you "return to sender" to a site with custodial control like coinbase, you'll just be sending money into some random users deposit address in which a user will get an unexpected deposit. That's not always the case though; it could also be a change address or consolidation one, which they would be able to recover.


--

That said, the user asked OG to "return to sender", so I don't think OG did anything wrong here. The user now need to chase it up with coinbase, and should've pre-checked with coinbase to make sure the funds were recoverable if "return to sender" was used.

[Hellot]

@mommabitcoin2u

Are saying his proof of the coinbase transaction is fake? 

[OgNasty]

Og Self escrow a bet with me. then decided he won even though he didn't meet the terms of the bet.

The community decided you were a loser, not me.   

[Here4Trades]

@mommabitcoin2u

Are saying his proof of the coinbase transaction is fake?  

Yes this guy momma must be ignored, sorry for the offtipic here but the guy leads me always to lies.

[Hellot]

@Hellot.........WHAT PART OF THIS WASN'T COINBASE TO BEGIN WITH???

But I will entertain you EVEN IF IT WAS IT DOES NOT GO TO SOME RANDOM USER IT GOES TO COINBASE HOTWALLET NOT SOME RANDOM USER

You will be leaving FAKE feedback Hellot........be careful if you care about your own reputation- DO NOT make FALSE claims.

I'm interested in other opinions about whether the OP faked his proof of the coinbase transaction.  I take this seriously and would never abuse the trust system here.  If you look at the OPs trust, I left him negative trust for abusing the trust system here that I will not be removing.
  
If anyone disagrees with my reasons below I'd like to hear them.
  
1) OG intentionally refunded an address the customer doesn't control.
  
2) OG was made aware both in private messages and in threads here that this could cause distress for the customer but he did it anyway.

3) OG claimed he was following his own rules but at no point did he make the customer aware of his rules and it is not linked when you correspond with him.  He told me in private message that the customer should have googled his name.  He refuses to take responsibility -AT ALL- for his part in this.  The OP claims he has dealt with OG on 5 separate occasions and not once did he make attempts to make the customer aware of his escrow terms.  I told OG that if he could show me that he made his escrow terms clear I would not leave negative trust at which point he indicated that ignorance is not an excuse.  I partly agree with that and I do not believe that excuses what OG did or his negligence in running a professional escrow service.  This is not a free service to the community, he is not doing us a favor.  He gets paid for this.

4) OG claimed he was just protecting his customer but is sending the customers money to an address they do not control protecting them?  The OP made it reasonably clear that he was in control of his account and he has dealt with OG on previous occasions.  I am of the opinion that it is not OG's job to police the forum and assume peoples account is compromised especially without evidence.  All evidence points to the OP being the OP.

5) The OP also said OG could refund the address in his profile on bitcointalk so it isn't like OG had no choice.  OG was in complete control.

From what I can tell.  Both the OP and OG deserve negative trust for different reasons.  I told OG yesterday that I will wait 24 hours and I think that is fair.  He shouldn't be holding peoples money hostage like that, he should be more flexible, do his due diligence and move on.  In this particular case the customer was very irate and I would call him an asshole for it.  But at the same time I can understand his frustration by having his feet held to the fire over rules he was not made aware of and again I am not saying this is all his fault or OG's fault, they are both adults and should act like adults.

To me it looks like OG was trying to make the customer suffer for the way the customer acted out.  I do not agree with that kind of behavior.  It is unprofessional and unproductive and it caused me to spend part of my Saturday night trying to figure out if someone was scamming the other.  I see no evidence of a scam.  If the customer doesn't get his money, I will leave negative trust based on the decisions OG made and the way he runs his escrow and not my assumptions about his intention.

[OgNasty]

Hellot. With your thinking, if you were an escrow agent for a day you would have all your users' funds scammed. The community should be thankful that I do not think like you. You repeatedly tried to get me to release the funds to an address supplied by the user, which would have resulted in anyone being able to get funds out of escrow at any time. My rules are in place for a reason and I'm far more experienced dealing with escrows than you. The fact you keep repeating that I should've sent funds to any address the user provided without verifying they in fact sent it is wildly irresponsible. As is your opinion that it isn't the user's responsibility to know the rules of a service they're using. I don't know why you keep pretending like I did something wrong, but you are in fact mistaken in what you think I should have done.

I needed him to agree to the refund and when he did I immediately sent. This issue is done and it should be crystal clear not only why a competent escrow like me is necessary, but also why users like isoneguy should be ignored and avoided at all cost.

This is a great advertisement for my escrow service, as people see the lengths I will go through to keep funds safe, even in he face of personal threats, forum attacks, lies, and unrelenting harassment from multiple parties.

[Hellot]

Hellot. With your thinking, if you were an escrow agent for a day you would have all your users' funds scammed. The community should be thankful that I do not think like you. You repeatedly tried to get me to release the funds to an address supplied by the user, which would have resulted in anyone being able to get funds out of escrow at any time. My rules are in place for a reason and I'm far more experienced dealing with escrows than you. The fact you keep repeating that I should've sent funds to any address the user provided without verifying they in fact sent it is wildly irresponsible. As is your opinion that it isn't the user's responsibility to know the rules of a service they're using. I don't know why you keep pretending like I did something wrong, but you are in fact mistaken in what you think I should have done.

I needed him to agree to the refund and when he did I immediately sent. This issue is done and it should be crystal clear not only why a competent escrow like me is necessary, but also why users like isoneguy should be ignored and avoided at all cost.

This is a great advertisement for my escrow service, as people see the lengths I will go through to keep funds safe, even in he face of personal threats, forum attacks, lies, and unrelenting harassment from multiple parties.

I just don't see the scam here.  Can you spell it out for us?  I'm not defending the OP and I didn't defend them last night.  I was trying to help you, you pompous ass.  I even offered to cover you in case the OP turned out to be a scammer because I really wanted to see you do the right thing at that point.  You chose the most difficult path forward and insisted on refunding an address the OP doesn't control knowing it would cause him pain.  You could have waited another day and been even more sure the OPs account wasn't hacked.  You could have made the OP publicly tell everyone here what address they wanted it sent to here to avoid that pain and it would have been on them, not you.  But you chose the painful path for your customer.  And the customer did give you another address to send to.  You still refuse to take responsibility for being lazy with your service.  How fucking hard is it to link customers to your rules or put it in your sig?  Not fucking hard.  I think you are a complete asshole but I am only judging you based on how you treated the customer and ran your escrow.  You made it clear last night that my trust doesn't matter because you have so much trust.  That is telling us that you feel you can treat customers like shit and be unprofessional with your service because you have enough trust to cover it.  WTF  You think this is a good advertisement of your service?  WTF

I'll be doing my due diligence to see if your customer got their money back and when I unload my collection I will not be using you as an escrow.

[TMAN]

Og Self escrow a bet with me. then decided he won even though he didn't meet the terms of the bet.

The community decided you were a loser, not me.   

You didn't agree to let the community decide on the bet you totally refused that as the solution. Once again here you are proving yourself a scumbag.. glad others in the community are beginning to see it