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What can you say about this rematch? The match is locked on but there will be things to be set before settling an exact date and venue.
Source : http://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/40972273

I will reiterate that the judges scored the game in favor of Horn because of Pacquiao's statements against the LGBT community, There is without doubt that Pacquiao won the boxing match hands down but i guess that the referees were watching a totally whole new match. Pacquiao will need to knock out Horn so that he will not be cheated again.

This is ploy of Bob Arum to try to milk Pacquiao as he can. I'm pretty sure there is a rematch clause if Pacquiao will lose the first fight. Most of us has scored the fight for Pacquiao so I think this is redemption for him. Also the I don't like the match to go to the Philippines because if Pacquaio won, they will cry foul again and biased. I want a neutral country or even in the States, but I don't think a lot of casual fans will gonna buy this fight  Anyways, let's see how this pans out.

Would be better if the fight will happen in Vegas or any venue outside their own country to prevent an advantage or let's say cooking show rather. This time Pacman will win and gonna try to KO'ed Horn. Although he's getting older and don't have that power punch just like before but I think he can still make a KO this time. Revenge, you know. If he will win, that's the best time to retire.

The fight should happen in the Philippines. So that it is will a equal opportunity for both of them. Pacquiao gave up hometown advantage when he was the champion. So Horn should do the same. However, I believe that the PPV will totally bomb. I don't think that people from stateside will stay late just to watch Manny now. If he is the Manny that we used to see 5-7 years ago then people will do whatever to see the fight. But since Manny is no longer relevant then no one cares and PPV will not do good. I agree that Arum is just milking Manny because he has already found a new cash cow already which is Terrence Crawford.

Wherever the match is settled, pretty sure this won't affect much. This fight is just for the money anyways.

I would definitely say that Pacquiao would really won the rematch for sure in that case there would be a 1-1 standing and next step? Would be the 3rd fight on where the decision on who would be stronger pacquiao or horn and as always we are talking money here and its always been part on this industry this is why i dont trust boxing anymore regarding on the results.

This is an expected rematch since Manny already mentioned about it after the fight. I read that it will be taking place at PH Arena and they're already eyeing for the fight date here (http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/08/22/17/pacquiao-horn-rematch-to-be-held-in-ph-arena-claims-tourism-sec). Let's see who will win this time. We've seen how the fight & judgement have done before, hoping to be fair this time.

This fight might be already premeditated and I'm speculating this will be a winner with again by unanimous decision. Playing people's mind and money, Pacquiao might take advantage and would win this time around.

The location is still undecided and it is still TBA.


The match is over and Pacquiao lose against the former school teacher.


Very possible that it will end through unanimous decision.

wow! its a good news! i think the first fight in australian its not fair, iam very sure that pacquiao win the first match, but yeah i dont know why judges giving the winner to horn. i hope in 2nd match the venue in USA. i'll bet for pacquiao!

And I'm thinking this match is just a give and take game. As for the first match it goes to Horn even though everyone sees it that Pacquiao is the real winner for that match but well we are not the judge on that part so let's respect the decision. We'll see his comeback and wait for some more updates.

last time i heard on the first match Horn won looks controversial and some of people said Pacquiao is deserve to be the winner however Pacquiao have to proof that he still one of the best boxing in the world in this match because if he lose again i'm pretty sure his career already ended

In my opinion I think its more than just the LGBT community. This kind of decisions are common in boxing because they want the run of money of big gamblers and it will be a big turn off if pacquiao won the fight because it will just end up in one match and there is no earning in a one match game and I'm hoping pacquiao wont box again because hes just selling his stats and records.

Yup it will be over if Pacquiao loses this fight again. Venue is irrelevant. I think this is Pacquiao last few fights prior to retirement. So I will go and see this fight to see it Pacquiao has still some inside his belly, otherwise if he losses again, it time for him to retire his boxing gloves and concentrate on his political career back home as respected Senator of the Philippines. Of course I want him to win the fight, and win it convincingly and not because of a hometown decision if ever the fight pushes to Philippine soil.

Yes he do deserve to win this match and I guess everyone is thinking that this match is just a rollover. And this has something to do with money again, every match is all about money. I heard that this will be the last fight of Mr. Manny Pacquiao and it came from a reliable sports analyst. Do you think it is his last match?

Rematch for what. Horn is on peak right now and he must find an opponent on the same level. Rematching with Pacquiao won't give him another milestone in his career. If I were Horn, I would choose those boxers that isn't close to retirement to see if he's really deadly at his current pound.

But the deal here is, his promotor is the one who chooses his opponent. Hopefully not a Pacman rematch.

I don't like this fight to happen. It's too much on the money. Pacquiao's deadly instinct to win already fades. Another big bucks and exposure for Jeff Horn. There are many interesting boxers out there that can matched Jeff Horns strength. Although Pacquaio still have that punch and force to make young guys being wrecked, it's not an interesting match between peak boxers against a boxer that is near retirement.

A true boxing match must have closed stats. It's no different from Pacquaio-Dela Hoya match. It's hard for Pacquaio to leave the ring but it's enough and you already made Pinoy proud because of your achievement.

It reminds me of the bradley - pacquiao fight. I hope the scenario will be as good as that match and pacquiao will earn back his glory after the one of the most talked about decision in the boxing history. For those who have said that it's over for pacquiao let's wait for the rematch. I'm not a fan of his (though I want for him to win this one) but let's not close the curtain for pacquiao. If the result stays the same and favor Horn, then we can justify more our opinions, that it is over and pacman should retire.

I don't see anything interesting here if that match will pushed. Arum really sucks and greed. He only have few options for some boxers that can gained him more money that's why he is still sticking on the idea to let Pacquiao just fight. Another money game if this will happened.

Goodluck for Arum once Pacquaio finally hang his gloves.

I wish this time the referee will be more neutral, Pacquiao ability is not as good as it used to be but I still believe it can defeat Horn, if Pacman lose again, I think it will be the end of his career, I am pretty much anticipating this match

well if Pacquiao loses again it a must that he should quit and focus with his political career but for sure pride will be its basis to continue winning though
not like before that he can win a KO but at least survive and regain his name.

Roach the Coach said Pac can't pull the trigger anymore. Not looking forward to it.

LOL, What is your source for this news? But I honestly admitted that PAC power is not the same compared to his power when he is conquering higher division. Just like what he did to defeat powerful and big boxer like Margarito and Dela Hoya. But there is still a power within him to defeat horn for the second time around because I believe that he is the real winner on their last match.

i hope this is the last match for pacquiao, now he was old man ;D so he can focuss in philipines political career. he have a many fans in the world and he is the legend from asia ;D

iam not judge but these match its so funny. ;D horn just defense from paquiao, but horn can be win the match >:( yeah i'll waiting for the rematch. pacquiao will be the winner with TKO or KO  ;D

Well brother, boxing is now business. And I think both of them will get a lot of money. However I don't know how things work out because Horn is already the champion now. When they first fought, Pacquiao took the lion's share of the purse because he is not only the champion, but he is Manny Pacquiao, boxing's cash cow. But with the rematch, I haven't seen what gonna be the purse split but I'm betting that Horn will get 7 figures easy.


Every boxer still think they still have it until they got a lose that will change their thoughts. Pacman change Oscar's, when they fought. He thinks he can beat Manny back then, but unfortunately it was Manny's time to shine and Oscar can't find a way to even punch or hit Manny. I also agree that Manny should retire, he had made tons of money and now he is a Senator, which he needs to prioritized now and not boxing.

Yeah, because Pacquiao's fight nowadays are almost cook. He is always the loser at the beginning but once he take a Rematch, he can win. I don't know, maybe they just want to earn huge amount of money so they want the fight to repeat again and again.

Lol.  They did the same strategy with Pacquiao vs Bradley 1.  They made the result of the fight as controversial as possible in order to have a rematch between them so that they could make even more money.

I really do hope Pacquiao gets KO'd like how Marquez turned his lights out.

It's for real? Do you have any source with it? I don't think Roach will ever do that to his baby man, they are tandem and this will probably the last fight of Manny but who knows?


Yeah it's just about the marketing and money matters, this is how the sports world is circulating already. But I want to see Pacquiao vs Mayweather 2.

It is a contract already and this match is about to happen very soon, there are no dates, nor venue as of the moment. Whether it will be for his career milestone he doesn't care at all. Because it will still give him some benefits whether he wins or not for this match. And many fans all over the world will be tuning in.

This is a money grab. The first fight was not actually in PPV, it was televised in ESPN. This is Arum's way of "revolutionizing" boxing by securing a deal with a very big network for the rights to televise of his fighters. This rematch will be considered a farce. I am a Pacman fan, and I would really like to see the guy retire before Arum dredges his legacy in the mud. I mean, how in the flying f*ck did Horn even get a title shot? The guy had 14 fights before that Pac fight. I would have loved to see Pac box against Errol Spence since Spence has already put in work towards his career. It was unfair for him to have Horn earn a title shot before him since on paper, Spence has a better fight record. But then again, I think Pac's camp is ducking Spence since he can get really hurt when fighting against Errol Spence. I think Horn was put in there to pad the records of other fighters of Arum. Get the belt from Pac, then rematch = more money to line the pockets of Arum.

After this fight, and if Pac wins, we will never see Horn's name again. He will go down in history as someone who was undeserving for that title shot and as someone who has stained the name of boxing because of that controversial win.

Money pacquiao wants a rematch here in philippines he wants to make sure that theres no MAFIA or Cook fight will happens because it is like hes being fooled by the  the judges also the referee like what floyd mayweather did to him judges wants paquiao lose because he already lots of tittle hope that this fight will happens soon.

I was about to read again your sentence but for real yes I read "Money Pacquaio" instead of Manny Pacquiao. Many are saying that their first match was all about mafia or it became a cooking show.

Come on then make money. It's their freedom to make money after all.

Boxing is now more on entertainment. Once this Pacquaio or Mayweather finally shutdown their boxing career, I can't see boxing to be like that again. Remaining boxers are not that well known globally since they doesn't have much exposure and top promotors only eyeing for a fighter that can make their stash big again.

Lomachenko and Rigondeaux will be very big names after all the hype blows over. I just hope they could get boxing on the world map again.

Another cooking show might happen, it was obvipus the first time that Pacquio wins yet the title goes to Horn, it's no longer exciting to watch boxing when it seems to be scripted . All efforts for cheering will be wasted. Pacquio is good boxer yet the people uses him to make their own money like Arum.

That't right! But in my observation in the last pacquiao's fight, I'm not satisfied to His performance because in every punch He made to his opponents it is something that there someone in his mind stopping him to hurt his opponents, so in the end He lost. It seems that its hard for Him to knock him down His opponent.

To be honest, fuck that. That was the most boring match I've seen. Also, what the hell were the australians thinking when they hosted the match on an outdoor ring? What is this, wimbledon? Damn it, Australians don't know how to host a damned boxing match! If there would be a rematch bring it back to Vegas please!

I disagree. Paquiao had no chance  against Floyd. They both sre in the end of their career and there are not a lot of fights left for them.
Manny isnt like he was couple years ago.

Yeah he wasn't, but damn Floyd just kept running and just throwing some pussy punches! He didn't fight, he ran the whole fight. That was what was wrong in that fight. The judges plainly saw the punches landed and not scored accordingly how aggressive manny was in that fight. It could have turned out a better fight and show the clear winner if Floyd just boxed head to head.

I as well as you I think that all of it was done specially. Much to our regret in the professional boxing there are many strange histories related to the decision of judges.

You got me thinking there mate. Yeah it could be.

I remember that first fight because its my fucking birthday and I bet for Pacquaio. But those blind judges score the fight for Bradley and a lot of people lost a lot during that night including me. The result was very controversial similar to what we have seen in the Horn fight. Almost everybody see Pacquiao winning, but the judges was watching a different fight then. So they hype the second fight, but unfortunately, it bomb in the PPV and was kinda disappointed but Pacquiao won the match. I'm sure that Pacquiao will win the fight but I don't know if a 3rd fight is needed though. We have to wait and see the outcome of the second fight first.

pacquiao deserves a rematch and it must be in the philippines and the tickets must be sold out. its just like pacquiao marquez, boxing industry is a big business.

Its probably not going to sell that much. Previous fight was a robbery everyone knows that and even then, many people already hinted lack of interest if ever they do it again. And there's a big chance it's again going to be in brisbane. This fight isn't strong on my radar.

Sounds cool.
Seems like the match is going to take place in the Philippines, I think that it should be taking place in a neutral location just to prevent any advantage to any of the players.

Really liked the idea of having a rematch as the match was playing at a non-standard rules.
   

This is a good opportunity to Pacquiao that gives a chance to make rematch with Horn, because this is what Pacquiao wants. All Filipinos wish this that they need rematch. For me this is good news that they will rematch so that we can really know who deserves most best in boxing. Filipinos hoping that Pacquiao to become a winner. Because their first fight is questionable. Most of people and in all country are waiting for their rematch.

For mei will advice the g eat pacman to call it quits as the current refreeing decisions haven't gone too well for him and if he decides to be picking up such games they are leaving great scars and dents on his illustrious career. He's loosing too many these times.

I think its going to be in the Philippines but I also believed that is not going to get good attention. Only hardcore Pacquiao fans will bought the tickets and watch PPV across the world. As much as we want to see him retire, I think he has still contracts under Uncle Bob for at least 1 to 2 more fights. He should train very hard for this, as the first fight looks like he is off timing and even Freddie Roach admitted that they don't have a good training camp (excuses for the lost). We all want him to retire, but this is not yet the case. 2 more money fights before he call it quits.

so that's the reason why even her moms ask him to retire he cant just do it right away and even he's already a politician and represent a  high position in our country but i believe if this fight will come to happen he will prove himself again, but seriously im more interested to see if mayweather will fight him
back after the money drama against connor.

For me, I want him to fight Marquez, however, the so called Mexican warrior doesn't want to because he has already scored a devastating KO. I wish this fight will push thru so that he can avenge his lost. However, we all know money talks and seeing that Floyd and Conor makes a lot of money, its just a matter of good offer that will make Marquez go out of his retirement and fight Pacquiao once more.

And obviously, Floyd will also a good fight final for him, for all glitz and glamour and then he can finally quit and focus on his political career. However, he has one hurdle that his Horn, before we can talk about a good potential fight before he goes out.

Come November bet on Pacquiao. He just lost on their first fight to gain more profit for the promoter for the rematch.

It would be better now if the judges are not cone from a particular country wherein the judges are in one side of fighters we need to see a good fight with a convincing unanymous decision if ever.

I agree with you; I think the judges need to be fair if they ever get the nod to judge this fight. I hurt for boxers who get cheated and it brings the name of the game into disrepute and so I hope they will be on top of their game on the very day to give us a good judgement.

A game like boxing in which there is a judges that will decide the outcome of the game should to have a reliable judges were decision are not questionable, there are also factor that might influence the judge’s decision like home crowd or some other factor because of this it would be better that Pacquiao Horn rematch should be played in a neutral ground like Las Vegas.

Yes, it would be better to get a unbiased judge to really score the fight. The first fight, we have clearly seen that Manny really won. But because the judge is not fair and I guess from the very beginning they are really putting Horn to win the fight. That's why you will hear a lot of boxer says that they don't want to put in on the judges hand because sometimes it is not the results that they get. So they try to go for the KO. But Philippines doesn't have a history of boxing robbery, unlike other countries. But to remove doubts, its better to get someone neutral and not biased judge.

Well said, there are surely a controversies when the match was concluded and that is what others think on how did Horn won the fight but the favors really all goes to Pacquiao I am surely against that fight there are so much to consider regarding it that affecting the way the fight ends, and a lot of criticism really gets to the way that fight goes and criticism to the two fighters.

Well, even in a neutral ground they can still decide to cheat if the judges are bias so I will advice Manny to go for a knockout and decide the game himself irrespective of where it is staged.

For me I don't think a rematch is necessary their first fight was not that entertaining and the judges decision also sucks, it would be better for Manny to retire and focus in his political career besides he already earned billions from his boxing career.

I also voted for him to retire and just concentrate on his political career but It seems he has still a valid contract but that greedy old bastard Arum so he has no chance but to honor that. But once the contract is finished. I'm sure that he will retire. He has done a lot of good things in boxing already and reach the top so there's no more glory for him to box once again. And regarding the fight, we will try to proved that he still pop on his punch and can take out the young lion. I want him to knockout Horn and proved that he really won the first one because its clear as daylight robbery down under.

To make money while you still can is a great opportunity, pacquiao was beaten up in their last fight but obviously he was robbed.
The rematch is what the world is looking for and it's going to happen in the Philippines which I think by this time it will make the people in the Philippines happy. Manny knows what his opponent can do so I guess this game would not end up a knockout, we will likely see a smart side of Manny.

All of what's happening is clearly the work of Bob Arum. Remember the other time Pacman was robbed? Bob Arum was so livid that he was gonna choke the judges himself. Look at his reaction when this fight happened. He had no reaction. It is clear that Arum was behind all this. I really do hope Pac retires after this bout and never look back. And I do hope Horn gets destroyed by Terrence Crawford if ever they meet.

I don't really care anymore about the remath and many i'm sure are feeling the same way. Pacquiao's already way past his prime and horn is banking on hometown advantage. I don't think it's going to be interesting to watch these two get at it again.

i have bad feeling about this that he probably will lose again and indeed seems you said it's true that Pacquiao almost had already at the end of his career and i think he should be thinking about his conditions now and focus on his political career and support the new comer

Not only that,hes already old and should really think off on retiring and i agree on you said that he do have already all the things do he needs. He already proves himself all over the world and theres no need to prove even more. If he won in this match then it would be still good but i do see the interest of people isnt the same just like when he was still young.

we know Manny by heart and he will pursue to bring glory to his country and its still a great one to retire with a belt maybe he will
try to accomplish this and if i remember it right he still got two games left for bob arum so if he wins the rematch the deciding match
will be the last one i guess, but just pure speculations.

I hope Manny will not getvthis fight, everyone already see that He is the one that should be the winner on that match. It's enough tgat the viewers knows it ,nothing more to prov. He should enjoy his life now that being played by the Panels that can't see how determined he is in everything.

Whatever Pacquiao decides to do next, that wouldn't lessen his accomplishments as a pro boxer. He has given so much pride and honor to his country over the years and he gave his all to slay foes who are usually bigger than him. Even if he loses again to Jef Horn (which I doubt would happen again), that wouldn't make him less of a hall of famer. He has earned his place among boxing's greatest and most exciting fighters of all time. Any more fight from here on in is just clearly for the money.

Because its just frustrating that he was again robbed of a sure win game. The judge said horn won because he tried hard. Damn, that game is not earned by just trying but at least you should show you win. Like when he fought bradley. It different events but pacquiao was the winner in score cards. And i agree with you, he already is an achiever so i dont think rematch is good and pacquiao now is in a retiring age for those kinds of age so he should just focus on his other careers in the politics.

Lets admit it, even though its evident that manny won, its not dominant enough to make the hometown judges favor him over the local boy. I mean, that's boxing and manny knows it. It's time in.to hang up those legendary gloves.

I would not be interested in this game. Although I would want Pacquiao  to win but I still feel he should retire. He is too old for the game and its time to do more positive things to the community and the entire country at large. Boxing is for the young and brutal people and Pacquiao  is just too old for that but if the match eventually happens then my bet will be on my main man Pacquiao  hopefully he wont disappoint this time like the last game.

I agree, Pacquaio for me is already past his prime and should retire. He also made a ton of money and the future of his family is already sealed so there's no need to fight anymore. I guess those boxers really think that they can go boxing forever eventhough the people around him is telling otherwise. Win, Lose or Draw, Manny should retire.


He is a future Hall of Famer no doubt and has given us good fights for more than a decade. There was a time that he is the P4P king. He has a amazing career and a lost against Horn will not dampen his chances to be enshrine to the Boxing Hall of Fame. But he should call it quits after this fight.

I think the last fight is for manny paquiao.when u see the first fight manny wins it..but the ref.favor for the win of horn..if the rematch happen i think manny win this fight go manny

Horn is another character in stage drama of boxing under the directorship of Bob Arum but still Pacquiao is the man who can draw attention of the boxing fans many still patronized boxing. The loss of Pacquiao against is very controversial we don’t even sure who really won the fight, because of that boxing fans really want a rematch to have a clear ending of this drama. In my speculation Pacquiao will win the rubber match between this two. Because for sure there is  plan rematch between Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Bob Arum has been manipulating Pacquiao ever since. That's why a lot of boxers, including Floyd stay away from Bob because he is making big cuts from the purse of the boxer. But Pacquiao remains loyal to him, so we guess Pacquiao should be blamed as well if something is going on behind the scene.

 The first battles against Pacquiao vs Horn are questionable judgments of Horn's victory, We will see that Pacquiao more strong punch than horn, we'll see the face of Horn after the fight. In this rematch Pacquiao is definitely the winner,  The first battles have been difficult for Horn, especially now that Pacquiao knows Horn's style.

This is possible to happen just like the previous fights of Manny Pacquiao. Boxing is a big business and it's like a movie.

They are making each match as a chapter to make the people excited and doing something crazy.

Just like the last fight, we clearly can see who's the winner on that match.

This is all money and the script of this one is already written.  Winner is also had been decided so watching this fight is like wasting another hours of our lifetime.  It would be best if we just spend our time doing productive stuff that will help us in our lives.  Boxing era is over it is already obsolete and the drama, thrill, excitement is proven to be scripted.  This (boxing) is business and not a sport.

I beg to disagree. Obviously, there is a lot of drama going on in the world of boxing and its not as it used to be back in the days. But if you think that this is scripted like WWE, then you are wrong. It seems to be that when this match making started by Arum when Manny enter the stage was somewhat contributed to him being a star. But its not scripted for me, but a careful way of Arum of whoever a boxing manager now, to match their cash cow like Pacquiao and promote him as a underdog and look for a opponent that they think Manny could beat easily.

A good example is Pacquiao-Dela Hoya. Dela-Hoya that time is very old, but they hype the fight that as if Oscar has still has it, but they already know that Oscar can't pull that trigger anymore. So its more of a hyping a particular fight, careful match making but not scripted.

They really should drum up some publicity with this rematch. People are losing interest so their respective PRs should make the days leading to the fight interesting, like the McGregor vs. Mayweather. And the venue should be somewhere neutral to avoid issues and debates and people saying that the fight was “bias.” And Pacquiao should take his training seriously or choose a fucking path already. Him being a senator whilst being in a demanding sport is stressing me the fuck out.

theres no bad thing about the rematch but the thing is , is it the referee again? i felt so disapointed that time because i think that the referee is bias, i already bet on manny but he lost, so therefore my money will be gone too. if in that case they will fight again i will bet on manny again this time i think he will be win.

just to share my thoughts yes its very important for the place to be in a natural venue and regarding to sen manny i guess its just a pride being
a Filipino to fight back even you already got a big position in the land, its a great  honor with him if he will recover his belts and reclaim the
title.

I don't think the Pacquiao camp would allow the same ref to officiate their rematch. Its very clear that he is bias. Well you are not the only one brother, because I also lost a lot betting on Manny. I will also go and bet to Manny again if the fight will push through but I doubt it will happen this year. 2018 is the target so I'm guessing around May or June will be a perfect, as this is the month that usually Manny fights. For me, Philippines is a good venue, and its not bias as far as I can remember, maybe a few robbery but not as clear as the last fight of Manny. And mostly Filipino has a good value and honor specially in sports.

Lol it was not the referee but the judges who made you lose your bet.  And I think this 2nd time around, money will win so Ithink you have a better chance of getting back what you lost on the first fight.  If you see fight pattern of manny, he always lost in a controversial decision in every first of the series match he had fought.  So definitely as I am saying, there is a huge chance that Manny will win this time.

This is Pacquiao wants to make rematch with Horn, because Pacquiao prove to the people he deserves to become winner at the end if they rematch. I choose Pacquiao because he is the great boxer in boxing industry he has many records done already.

Reports emerging is that the rematch between Pacquiao and Horn has been called off due to the fact that Pacquiao has some senatorial obligations to the people of Phillipines as he will be part of a delegation to China during that time. I think it's time he focuses on either the sports or politics.

Yeah you have a point but honest the boxing style of Pacquiao right now is different from before but i still choose pacman because he is the only one who listed in gines record and he is the strongest boxer for now they learn some style that sometimes he can be lose just to make a rematch and gain money again.. its obvious this is every thing for money..

It was always so in boxing that with the famous boxers they put an amateur or not reaching the level of an athlete, so in this case too. Of course it will be interesting to see if a miracle will happen, but Menni will not let you down)).

That's true. You can read more here.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2730880-manny-pacquiao-pulls-out-of-jeff-horn-rematch-due-to-filipino-government-duties

Unfortunately there will be no fight and no betting guys, time to wrap it up and close this thread.

Yes it's been a headline here in the Philippines that Pacquiao will not return in the ring by November because of government duties that will take place in the period where the expected bout against Jeff Horn will taked placed. But for me, he can skipped that, don't have an idea about what his team is thinking.

Well I don't see any reason for fans to be pissed off since the rematch can take placed next year 2018. And no, don't closed the thread. You don't know their plans and maybe one of this days the headline today will be changed. Or if you really want to closed the thread, asked OP then just make another one once winds blows on a different direction.

Well, this is a good news. This is because another fight with two popular boxer. I want this fight again because I'm disappointed on the result of previous fight. I'm fan of Manny, I'm proud as a filipino. It is a great boxer, even they have duties in my country they have a time for his career.

Most of Manny fights with rematch is because of decision,  like bradley thay won in the first fight but many people know that manny wins the fight.

Politics is not issue with the senator they execute and perform their task properly.

Actually politics is issue here that's why the fight will pushed through next year. Him being a Senator of the Philippines should be his priority not his boxing career. Maybe you mean to say that he is doing good as a Senator and he can perform it even though he is continuing his career as a boxer?

But again, it seems to me that Manny knows his priority, that he should first served his Filipino constituent before his career and his hands are full at the moment, with so may pressing issues, I guess his team decided to just push through the fight next year when everything is already clear. IMHO.

In my honest opinion, Manny should just quit boxing. He had a good run. He will be a future hall of famer for sure. I hope he quits before he suffers some kind of injury. He has nothing to prove already since he has done it all. But then again, the decision still lies with him.

He should have to, I dont know if it is a hint that this is his last game or whatever. A sports analyst was able to tell it on national T.V that he said this will be Manny's fight but with a 'maybe' on it and he added, 'we dont know' what's on the mind of Manny. Well Manny had a great boxing career like any other legends.

I really do not think there will be a rematch against Horn at this time because it is not a positive news coming out of Manny Pacquiao camp and the probability is that it wont happen this year at least and i wont be surprised if the fight is scrapped all together ,just want to hear more certain news from the Manny camp about the fight.

Well a rematch will give Manny the chance to redeem his image after that stolen verdict and so I will support every call for a rematch even if it is not certain yet . Horn must prove his worth if he thinks he indeed win the previous fight.

ever since becoming a senator Pacquiao has lost his fans so he's scared of a rematch with a poor fighter

It's not going to make any more sense. Even pacqiao's not showing much interest in it as well. And the fight's probably not going to happen now as i think manny's going to focus on his career as a senator. He doesn't need to prove anything to jeremy horn anyways, we all saw who won.

Lol. Do you even follow the boxing career of Pacquiao? How can you say he lost his fans and scared of a rematch when we all saw that he really won the first fight. You are just trolling for the sake of making a post here.

I heard the news the its gonna be Jessie Vargas(whom Pacquaio already beaten) will fight Horn instead? I consider this a good fight as both fighters are really young and evenly match. If the fight push thru, I will go for Jessie here, he has a good resume and has face better opponents than Horn. Let see if the fight would take place.

I don't think he's afraid of a rematch, the pacquiao I know is courageous enough to withstand any fighter of thus current generation so this is false, he will definitely make amends against this guy should the rematch happen.

Of course we already know that Pacquiao won't back down to any fights. He is cancelling the fight because of his duty. I don't know what this guy is talking about. Pacquiao also proven that he is willing to fight bigger guys and Horn is no threat to him. He has beaten that kid, but because of the judges, he lost it.

He was cheated badly and I still gave it a win for pacman in my books and I hope a rematch ensue one day because he will whoop that guys ass bad for the world and fake judges to know.

I agree with you mate.. Pacman is a fighter and will never back down even if it's Mayweather or other top boxing fighters he will box them out. And definitely he will agree also with the rematch with Horn to reclaim his victory.

As I see it, a rematch is really warranted specially for Horn. He really need to show us that he really win the first fight. However, Pacman needs to cancel it because we all know that he is a serving Senator. But I still do think that they will fight again. There is a rematch clause that Manny will exercise and Horn readily obliged. However, it is sad that it will not happen soon.

And as far as Manny being scared, are you kidding me? He has face the best of the best in every division he campaign and he beat most of them. So scared in not on Pacman's vocabulary. Please go check some of his fights when he is going up in weight division and go back here and tell the truth if he is afraid to face anyone in the ring. He even called out Mayweather for many years, if Floyd fought the version of Manny in the Cotto fight. It could be a different story.

The rematch will prove if pacquiao  really win the fight and the pressure is now on Horn and he has to knock pacquiao down so he will win convincingly.
It's going to be a home crowd of pacquiao and I think he will be more inspired fighting in his own land, it's going to be a hell of a fight and I will  surely put my bet to pacquiao as I am thinking the betting odds this time would be better.

Too bad this would not happen really soon because pacman is not available. Tho i like to watch this fight on december i more want it to happen in the Philippines than in horns nest

If the rematch happens next year, Pacquiao would already be 39 years old and age is not something that will be to his advantage. Also, Jeff Horn is going to fight in November regardless who his opponent will be,  so he would hardly have any rust the moment he and Pacquiao collides again. Although I would love to see a knockout from Pacman, it might be asking too much considering how he has struggled to stop any of his opponents over the last few years.

This is going to happen very soon but still there's no exact date for this re-match. I want to see him knockout by Manny Pacquaio. The first fight happened on Horn's territory and I hope the contract agrees to make the re-match happen on Manny's territory.

I also hope Pacquiao can hit his butt out loud. I'm a fan of Manny Pacquiao and I would love it if he can knockout him. Yes, and this time the fight should be done at the Pacquiao cage.

We all love to see Pacquiao really whoop that ass. We have to wait because the Fighting Senator has more important things to do. I'm also a fan of Manny since the time he began to be really a household name. It seems that the fight is happening in the Philippines, but as I have said, we need patience because the fight is push to 2018.

As far as Jeff Horn is concern, he has a bright future and could possible fight Jessie Vargas and a lot more from Arum's stable like Lamont Peterson and Mundine. I like the Vargas fight though, for boxing fans, we know how Vargas fight and its very suitable to the fighting style of Horn as well. Let's see who's his next opponent then.

If it would be done on Pacquiao's cage then for sure chances on winning would really be there but still cant be assure.Im fan of Pacquiao after all these years but i would say that this should be his last fight and he should retire after that no matter what would be the result. Hes already old for this career and he have prove already on how strong he was.

If ever this rematch will happen soon I'm sure it would be announced in a unanimous decision for sure. I just feel like this sport has become a business already for boxers and not a real sport anymore. Just my point of view though. The game does not excite me anymore because I feel like its more of a planned sport and gets peoples money.

I just want Manny to see him winning his last fight. We are about to see his final blow as he is about to retire his boxing career. Give and take should be done on this contract but if the promotor of Jeff Horn doesn't want his chick to lay down on Manny's territory and wants to take care him without any lose just like the famous quacky ducky, if you know what I mean guys.

With this rematch i see again the swollen and bloody face of Horn yet he will still win becuase of the Mafia and payed judges. We will see again that pacman will be robbed even though it is clearly shown that he won the game

I think much better if the fight must be happen in Las Vegas. But I agreed that Bob arum is just milking Manny Paquiao, even others politicians are also milking Manny Paquiao, so if there is a rematch happen again this is for sure all about to get a lot of money To Manny :D

that's what we seen previously and again that already happen before when pacman fought with bradley even tim can't walk and needed a wheelchair to
go out the ring he still won that first matched, so maybe if pacman fight again he will reclaim his name or maybe also that the mafia will make a huge
money here and let Horn once more.

I still don't believed in the Mafia thingy. Can they really chance the outcome of the fight? Or the promoter of the boxer will really dive so that the Mafia can with big? I seriously doubt it IMHO. I don't know as well if the judges have been paid as well. I speculate that is more on a home town decision, but I also think that Mafia did not influence the judges. Its more of they want their boy to win the match. Mafia or not.

Manny Pacquiao, if he wants to repeat the match is because he wants revenge and is sure to be much stronger than Horn!
 he will have great motivations and will train to get to the top of his shape.
I think he will surely win and then he can finally retire but with a win!

Pacquiao was stronger than horn. If you watch some clips. The judges said Horn won because he tried hard. Other analysts also argued that "you dont win matches like that because you tried hard, you win battles you actually won." Pacquiao was robed 2 times for a win and respect to pacquiao because he was not even furios when he heard that decision.

I think pacquiao is never afraid to rematch, but I think that the horn will be afraid to rematch. Paquiao never lost fans when he became senator. citizen in philipine have a big respect to pacquiao.

You are right there in terms of respect of Filipino fans for Pacquaio. Honestly majority of PH wants Pacquiao to just stopped and focus on his government position although in my own view he can handled both at the same time. He is one of the most working Senator today in PH Senate.

About boxing, both parties are not afraid to rematch because WHY SUCH IN A FIRST PLACE?. Pacquaio has his own business about being part of government delegation that will landed on expected rematch date and Horn on the other hand aggrees on a rematch but now looking for another opponent since Pacquaio can't make it on supposed bout date. Just follow them so you guys will have some insights about the upcoming bout.

It's said that he is part of a Philippine delegation that's going to China for some even and unfortunately it coincided with the day the boxing match was supposed to take place, he was robbed in that match and am hoping that a later date could be set so that he give the guy a KO.

No he didn't, being a senator and boxer is totally different. People loved him as a boxer but when it comes to legislation most of the social media comments I'm reading about him are very degrading. I don't know why people keeps on talking like that and I did see some are remaining to be his supporters forever. It's not about he's scared of the rematch, he actually wants to push it.

Manny has a lot of responsibilities and being a senator is already a big one, a boxer needs to be focus both mentally and emotionally and somehow I could say that Manny has lost some passion in boxing that is why he is now vulnerable to losing. He can fight but he does not possess the some power like before, he is not hungry anymore as he is only up for the money and a little entertainment to the fans.

In addition to that, Manny is not getting any younger anymore. Of course all boxers gets old, but the wear and tear of boxing is already showing in the last couple of years. For me he has still the passion, but the body is not responding to the rigorous training unlike before. He's style of boxing has really contributed to somewhat 'poor' performance against Horn. Although he really, he lacks that killing instinct that many of us loves about Manny Pacquiao. Yes, they are really fight for the money as well and this droves him to fight more.

That's a good news if that happen. Paquiao always fighting overseas. Why not fighting in front of all Filipinos. Also Phillipine Arena is very nice venue for that fight because of it's sitting capacity with 50,000+ sitting capacity, it will occupy a lot people specially those Filipinos who supports Paquiao. Paquiao still good at it. Actually he can finish Horn at 9th round. But he is so tired. Paquiao just got robbed. If you see the stats at of that match, you'll undertand why. Maybe the preparation time is very short for him since he is working at the senate and boxing at the same time. That's very hard, you know.

Is there any confirmation of a rematch or this is an speculation thread?

A rematch could be a success when it comes to PPV, mainly because if Pacquiao fucks up again and doesn't clearly win over Horn, his career is pretty much over at that point. I mean Horn started boxing professionally at age 18 and he's like a piano teacher or something, this is not the typical young lion that started boxing since age 6 trained by professionals, yet he managed to win Pacquiao, so either he is really good or Pacquiao is really out of shape and as lost its touch and needs to retire.

And I don't think Pacman got robbed, I think Horn did enough to win a split decision.

Are you kidding me bro? Did you take a look at the stats of the whole match? Horn is missing a lot of punches. Paquiao did a lot of damage to Horn. If you look at the face of Horn after the fight. Horn just got lucky because Paquiao is very tired at the 9th round. Actually it should be stopped by the referee because Horn is responding to punches that manny are being thrown. That's why the commentator lashes out because of that disgusting decision.

Im saying that the fight was not that clearly one sided as some make it to be. Horn did fuck up Pacquiao pretty good in the late rounds and scored a lot of points. Pacquiao throws a lot of punches that don't really count, his volume of punching is really high but not that accurate.

I need to watch the fight again because I dont really remember it now but from watching it live it didn't seem like an outrageous robbery for Pacman in my book.

You certainly need to watch the fight again because you didn't consider the fight was a controversial for certain Filipinos, that they had rigged the fight but 2 of the judges score the book in favor of horn, well even I don't believe the score board but I think horn has the upper hand getting much of the rounds and because he has the farther reach than Pacquiao and being younger than him he's showing the heart of a champion. He took Pacquiao’s best shots, refused to fall, and came back swinging, but wish there could be another rematch to really prove that there is no controversy with the fight.

I don't think it matters anymore though. Pacquiao's not really that much interesed in it. The whole world watched the first fight and majority have the same conclusion of who won, even the experts. Pacquiao doesn't have much to gain if he agrees to a rematch

Well he would redeem himself after losing to a new guy. If at least you win the rematch, you leave it clear that you are still the superior fighter. If it stays like this, Pacquiao should retire. Who is going to want to pay for PPV now that he got beaten by this young new guy which didn't had a single impressive win of top caliber?

It's time for Pacquiao to destroy this guy in a rematch or just retire.

I think the timing of the fight favors Pacquiao. He will still have enough time to really be physically and mental focus for the 2nd fight. He may have underestimated Horn that's why he lost and cannot finished the guy. So the rescheduling of the fight will make time for Pacquiao to rethink, it should be more mental for him now and he needed to win in a convincing fashion like KO Horn then retire for good.

I think Pacquiao was waiting for their rematch this is what he wants to do and prove themselves to the people who really the champion and deserving. If they rematch Pacquiao will win, because their fight is questionable and most of people says and believe that Pacquiao will won on their fight. And we will know who really is the winner or the champion. Pacquiao become stronger when they rematch again and the champion of their rematch, they really needs to rematch.

The rematch should not happen in Australia. A lot of people think that Australia judges ere rigged to make Horn win (Horn is Australian). Well this could be or not be true, but to better leave all the conspiracy theories out, the next match should happen in a neutral country, so not Phillipines and not Australia, any other place should do.

And recent news point that it will be in 2018:


http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-confirms-pacquiao-wants-horn-rematch-2018--120057

In addition to that, if they held it in the Philippines, the PPV would surely bombed. I consider Las Vegas would be a perfect venue for the fight. American boxing fans would be expose how Horn fight and that the first fight is no fluke, and for Pacquaio to really show the world that he has still has it. So early 2018 would be a good time as well. And just like you said, we want to see Manny destroy this guy for good and claim the belt back.

if fight would happen next year, i think Las Vegas is not viable for their rematch. both players are not attractive in the gate sales and ppv revenue to US households because none of them are Americans or Latino fighters and beside Pacquiao's boxing sensation is not as hot as before his great lose to Marquez. The other possible good venue is Dubai, their Royal Family offered their place to some of Pacquiao's previous fight maybe it is the right time to make it happen.

I would rather believe that venues on where it would be held will be on Las Vegas or Dubai both place would be suit for the fight but speaking about on Philippines i dont think so that they would able to consider that thing but doesnt matter at all on what place it would be held as long we would able to see for this rematch to happen early next year.

No, he doesn't need to prove anything. He's already a title holder and the only one that holds 9 world titles at the same time. This is just about the money and most of the matches now in boxing are just all about money making, try to understand their industry and you'll find out what happen with Floyd vs. Conor and next will be Pacquiao and Horn.

They don't want to lose horn because they fight in horns country they don't want embarrassment that is why we see the difference of score  and if paquiao will have rematch to horn hoping that it will be here in philippines so there will be no mafia and no one will cheat the entire scoring board lmao.

This fight is staged eversince the first one.  This is money maker for the promoter  and boxing is established and governed by business  not as being sports.  The result of the upcoming fight is already known.  So I think we are wasting our time thinking of the possible outcome of the game.


I agree Manny even with loses had established himself as the  person to hold the most division title in the history of boxing, that record beats Floyd flawless record  ;D.  

It's a shame if Horn will lose on his country way back to their first match. And now I guess this is just going to make the suggestion of people balance by providing a rematch and let the fight happened on Manny's country, Philippines. That's what I've heard too that there's a mafia behind it or we aren't the judge of that game so let just this rematch happen.

Yes, its all about the money now. Unlike before were we can see promoters/boxers agreeing to fight regardless on what boxing body they are the champion. But now, its different, promoters match their fighters for big bucks and small risk. I guess it backfired on Arum and Pacquiao when Manny lost to Horn. And they are willing to fight again specially Horn because he knows that it will be his biggest payday when he fights Manny Pacquaio again.

Well in hindsight, I  think even Arum knows that Pac is going to lose that match due to the judges. You can see his reaction when Pac lost to Bradley in their first fight which was also controversial. Arum raised hell during that time. However, when Pac lost against Horn, he did not even blink. He is just milking Pac until Pac hits retirement.

You hit it mate, this is why Arum is trying to make more money out of Manny before his retirement and this match can rake again millions-billion of dollars before Manny settles down and announces his retirement. But this fight is been awaiting by many boxing fans all over the world. Arum knows how to promote and even Manny loses on those matches, he can still make money.

Yes nothing to loose with manny if in terms of money. A lot of interviews, advertisment and higher offer for every match. But I'll still bet on manny if the rematch will happen.

Bob Arum is trying to milk Pacquiao to the last drop. How we wished that rematch with Horn would have happened sooner than later because as Pacquiao is getting older, Horn is getting more matured and gaining more experience. But whatever happens, win or lose, Pacquiao would still have his fair share of the earnings, so would Uncle Bob. It's all business for these guys nowadays, because both Pacman and Bob Arum are in the twilights of their career and life, respectively.

I know Manny's guts has been also affected and he has something in his feeling about his last fight but he just let the people see that he's feeling well. But every match of Manny he's been earning a lot out of those things that you had mentioned. Is there any news out there on the specific date and venue of the match or still not discussed by both parties?

There are rumors that Pacquiao's camp still hasn't decided if they are pushing onto the rematch due to his responsibilities at the Philippine Senate. Even though Pacquiao confirmed that there would definitely have a rematch. The original plan for the rematch is that the match is set at the Philippine Arena but Horn's promoter is against it and wanted to pursue the match at their hometown again. It's better for Pacquiao to focus on his current job as a Senator. There's is nothing for him to prove, He already has the glory, fame and the money. Though Boxing became a business nowadays and money will have a be a huge factor or advantage in winning a match.

Bob Arum has always been the money so has been everyone invested in the boxing industry, because it has become a industry where fighters just look for the highest paying fight. Back then you would have guys like Julio Cesar Chavez fighting the best all the time and all their prime.

But you can't blame them, you have a limited time in fighting and you must make as much money while you are still sharp.

Pacquiao should fight again and then retire. I wouldn't like to retire with a loss if I was a pro.

To be honest I think he should retire, he already won as much money as he wanted was one of the best and now he must concentrate in other things, this seems like a matter of honor to me since he was robbed in the last fight but there is not a guarantee that he is not going to be robbed once again.

Many rumors out there that this will be his last fight and after winning or losing this match his on his way to politics, focusing in it. Move on mate, that last fight's decision won't change, a lose is a lose and this is the chance that he can correct those judges decision by knocking out Horn. Do you even think what if the fight will be on Australia again and Manny knocks him out?

According to the media, there hasn't been any decision regarding the the rescheduling on the match between the two boxers, I have my doubts whether the rematch is going to happen this year but it should happen since i don't believe they are a lot of big game boxing bouts slated for this year.

Even if media interrupts the people in the shadow wouldn't still be moved by this. Boxing now is not a sports it's a business to them since they really know what the fighter is capable of they were trying to switch the result because of the people's massive speculations and support to the fighter. Still Manny had proved already that he's more than unbeatable compared to Floyd unbeatable records.

All the trashtalks and bashing is just for a show so the people would hype the crowd and let them beat each other, just like what happened to Floyd and Conor. You guys should understand their way of doing this kind of business.

I see, I'm waiting for the update about this match so that I can talk to my rivals so that we can have our deal and negotiation on how much I'm going to bet for Manny. As for the news I watched, they said that the match will possibly going to happen for this year, maybe it will be a year-end special match of Manny as we heard rumors that this will be his final fight.

maybe not mate as i read it before that Pacman still have two games before the contract ends, its a good way for him to retired with glory
if he will win the re-matched and play for the game decision. hope it will happen before this year end as we all waiting for him proving himself.
he's doing well even his already old.

He must retire already. But his passion remains and boxing is his life.

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We will see on how Manny will knock down Horn on their upcoming fight.

I really hope Manny will be able to knockout Horn. Since rumors said this would be his last fight in his career. But I think Manny should have also a rematch against Mayweather since the victory was stolen from him from their last match even with Horn. I don't know why they always let this happen in a boxing match now. But I think there's a lot of money involved so that's why they can manipulate the scoring of the match.

I have read those articles and news also about Manny's retirement and there's no one from the team of Manny who's confirming this thing. The rematch between Mayweather isn't going to happen anymore.

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Floyd will not agree on this rematch, he always want to make sure that he's on the safe haven.

After Canelo vs GGG, Manny Pacquiao went on twitter and said:

Manny Pacquiao: "Did they bring these judges over from australia?"   :D

I haven't seen Canelo vs GGG yet. With everyone saying GGG won and was robbed by the judges, I thought that was a hysterical comment from Pacman.

Definitely looking forward to this rematch. So far behind on my tape watching, I still haven't seen the first one. Need to step up my game.

I didn't know that there is two games before his contract ends. But saying that he needs to prove himself, no he don't have to as he did it with his titles and his fights before. He proved it already that he's one of the best boxers ever live.


Really? I don't check usually on twitter, can you give the link of this tweet of Manny?

Here's the tweet of Manny -

https://twitter.com/mannypacquiao/status/909267298778701824

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Enjoy reading the comments too.  ;D

The very prime of Pacquaio is over his body is old he should retire now, he is very rich and a senator nothing more to prove. I heard he will plan to run for vice president in the Philippines better he retires and focus on politics to focus of helping his people. He must accept he was defeated by younger opponent Horn like Pacquiao VS Barerra before.

Everyone is talking about his retirement and I think Manny is aware of it and the love of his life wants him to retire too. I don't know if those rumors that are coming out for his presidency is for real, who knows? He got fame and money he has a chance but voters will still have the decision if they want to vote him as president just because his a well known boxer or he got what it takes to be a father of a country.

Pacquiao as a president seems to be a bit of a stretch for me. Even if he is popular, it takes more that to lead and govern a nation of over 100 million. He isn’t even a great senator and many are doubting if he is even qualified as a public official. There’s no doubt that he has good intentions in helping his country men but it’s gonna take more than that to solve the problems that’s been plaguing the Philippines for many decades now. If you ask me, he should just stick to boxing or become an ambassador for sports or wherever he could make a signifant change.

I'm belittling Pacquiao with his political career but if he only wants to gets power in the administration I don't see that we should judge him anyway.

There's a freedom of expression and he can do whatever he want. He's known for his good deed and it's not on the news.

Let the people choose their president but I really doubt he'll win.

This will be a disgrace for Mr. Pacquaio if ever he losses again for the second time against Horn. I'm thinking if the boxing industry wants to build another Floyd Mayweather, I mean a fighter that has 0 loss. And I can see it possible with Horn, this industry now is not entertaining anymore as it's obvious that they are for promotion, PPV and other shares.

That's really the problem the boxing industry is no longer enjoyable as we seen more and more  unexpected decision I'm not an analyst but just by watching those games we will be able to say that someone didn't do their job with the judge around.

It's nice to see that Pacquiao still cares about his boxing record because it means he will come back. I think the rematch will happen 100% granted, he is still hurt after the decision in australia and he will try to get a rematch with more even judges.

I really hated one of the judges in Canelo vs GGG, it was really strange to see such a wide gap in one of the cards, almost forcing the draw.

He's old now and his resistance is now starting to change. Is that plan for real that he'll run for vice president or president?

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Retiring now, maybe it's on his mind but there will be some conditions for himself, "let me run for higher position."

Hey thanks for the link I have read the comments too, thanks for the tip either. It made me laugh with the comment of ChrisWeighner, he surely mocking Manny Pacquaio out of his comment. He is just looking with the result but he don't know how to check the statistics of the fight. Read it guys "getting worked by a teacher" if I'm the one that's being said with those words I'm going to challenge him to a boxing fight.

A fight against Mayweather will be a better fight in my opinion, but it seems he is retired for good as well, so I think a rematch against Horn is all what Manny has left, but I hope the next fight is in neutral ground because it is very obvious that Horn choose the best conditions to himself and that produced that awful fight.

I think Pacquiao tweeting something about the fight means that the judges did do their job properly.  ;D Specially the one that scored 118-100.


I don't know if you are from the Philippines, but we Filipinos see as a great Senator. I was quite surprise most of line of questions in those Senate special hearing. So for being a Senator, I would say that he is doing good. But I have to agree with you that being a President involves a gargantuan task even for our own Manny. He had help a lot already even becoming a Senator. I guess he can just continue with it, even though he has completed his term as Senator. He has lots of money and can definitely used it if he's intentions are to really help Filipinos, with or without the government's help.

It will be a total disgrace but Bob Arum will not let it happen if this fight will push through in November in the Philippines or in any venue Im sure that Manny will win this time because boxing this days is not all about pride and honor anymore its a business its all about money . 

I think Pacquiao has been milked already by Arum and already a dispensable item to him if you are going to ask me. And Pacquiao has been given cold treated by Arum already. And I read that the last fight with Horn is Manny's final fight in the contract with Top Rank. And maybe in the rematch, Arum is bargaining that's why the rematch did not push through. Maybe Arum has found his new cash cow with Horn already. And I also believes that Terrence Crawford is also Top's Rank new cash now. Boxing is not the same anymore. Its all about making the most money in every fight.

If that is so, then Manny Pacquiao should retire after a rematch with Horn win or lose, if the fight will really goes as plan next year in the Philippines. We already seen Manny becoming a household name in the US for boxing fans. He has done his share to bring back boxing in the mainstream. As far as that old slimy and greedy Arum, he can't find any cash cow with the likes of Manny not stateside. Crawford is good, very very good, but I don't think he can attained what Manny has done to the boxing world. There's only one Manny Pacquaio.

I agree with this one and it really irritating to see that even it's not a good fight then but everything is for money they just do it. But on the case of Pacquiao vs. Horn fight I think they are serious with it and even though I am a pure Filipino I think Horn is the deserving winner of the fight even though many bashed him in the media. Pacquiao should accept the fact that his getting geezer and maybe he should retire if ever there is a rematch between Horn again no matter he wins or lose in the fight. He have done enough of the country and we are proud of it. I agree also there should be a rematch to settle down the negative ambiance in the media because of their fight.

Manny Pacquiao already announced his retirement before and even said that he would just focus in politics but then again he just return again and fight. I think the fight vs. Horn should push through because there are many issues about it saying that Manny is the true winner on that fight and because it was held on Horn's home country so it was home country decision something like that. Pacman should prove that he is the true winner in the rematch and the fight should be held in a country where neither of the two resides.

Tried to research some of his charity works and most of them aren't in the main stream. Well guys we are getting far from Horn vs. Pacquiao match now to his political ambition. We should be in the politics and society talking about Pacquiao's ambition or rumors about his run for higher positions. But if you are saying that he isn't a great senator, I will not agree on it. He's been actively joining investigations and sharing his point of views regarding the cases they are investigating.

It's Horn's home court many did noticed that fight was a cooking show and it's really disappointing for those people that are expecting fair judgement. But we aren't the judges there and we don't know how they are giving points to that game. I'm not going to put any single money on that fight anymore unless the fight's venue will not be on Australia again, I don't trust their judging.

Manny is a lot better boxer than Jeff. This news have been in the air for a long time now and I think it was going to be hell in Philippines or maybe Brisbane and the date was 9 December. It is far and away from the present date and most probably the rematch would be a fair one.

I saw the Canelo vs GGG fight and if you have not then you should do it was a good fight, but I do not think he was robbed, the fight was a close fight, some people saw Canelo winning the fight and some people saw the opposite, personally I saw GGG winning the fight 115 vs 113 and that was one of the scores of the judges but since the fight was so close I do not think anyone was robbed.

I agree with you, it cannot compared to the fight of manny because clearly manny won the fight and the fact that the ref give horn a unanimous decision, that is clearly a robbed. The fight of GGG vs Canelo was indeed an entertaining fight and I'm watching it live and based on my scorecard Canelo won the fight as he is doing well in the 2nd half of the rounds.

I agree No one was was robbed on that fight, it was a staged fight ;D.  Winner is already decided right before they stepped inside the ring.  That is boxing, a business and not a sport.  I used to think that boxing indeed is a way of fair judging but i made a conclusion that majority of the boxing matches was rigged.  Including championship fights.  They just want to make things sensationa and controversial so that money will flow in.  Look at that mayweather vs mcgregor fight, that was a complete joke.

No problem we can agree to disagree ;D, but this show to us how close the fight was, when the fight ended I as immediately thinking there was going to be another fight no matter who lost, and then when I found it was an official draw I knew that a rematch was going to happen since both fighters probably thought that they won.

Yeah, i agree with you. The fight was close. I feel the sense of urgency of Canelo at the final round and i think he gets it. Canelo just gassed out after the first half of the fight. GGG did a good job to come back at the second half of the fight. And i think GGG was ahead before the final round 6-5 to GGG. But Canelo got the equalizer. So i think it's a draw. I just don't like the 110-118 score tho. This is clearly proves that boxing is corrupt as hell. These kind of judges should be ban on any matches. It's a disgrace to the sport.

As much as I would love to see Senator Manny to fight Horn again, I would rather see another opponent than Horn, specially if the fight will be staged at Australia again. If there will be a Paquaio Vs Mayweather 2 that would be awesome but I hope there would be more action unlike their first meeting.

Pacquiao vs Mayweather 2? It's impossible for now since the latter already discussed that his last fight would be the bout that happened between him and McGregor. (source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2728134-floyd-mayweather-says-conor-mcgregor-fight-is-his-last-talks-legacy-on-call). What I'm excited to see is for Horn to fight Pacquiao's long time rival Marquez. I want to see if Horn could also pump a win on Marquez, which basically one of the fighters that gave the hardest fights for Pacman. (and if possible, I hope it wouldn't be hosted on Australia)

Well Juan Marquez is already retired and I don't think that he will come back anytime. He already scored a devastating KO win against Pacman and that he's legacy. He has somewhat bragging rights for KO Pacman. I think Horn vs Vargas, or Horn vs Bradley will also be a good test for the champion.

And as far as May-Pac 2? Nah, those two are already in the twilight of their career and as much as Pacman loves a rematch, Mayweather wouldn't do it. He already cemented his legacy with a 50-0 record and will retire for good.

Really he's already retired? what a sad news. I thought I could watch Marquez to fight again. I see, that's why I haven't heard any news on his next fight. If he only can return back and fight Horn, it will be a must-watch fight for the boxing community. Honestly, I like Marquez fights than Mayweather's. The chances for knockouts are higher than those hugging/defend moments of Mayweather.

Yes, Marquez has been long retired mate. But I think Arum and Pacquaio are trying to lure him to come back and fight Pacquaio once again. We all know the history between the two and Pacquaio really wants to avenged his devastating lost to him. But unfortunately, Marquez won't budged because he win by KO although some say that Marquez is roided as fucked when they fight. You may want to google his physique before and during the fight and see it for your self. He even had Memo in him the guy who is associated with the BALCO scandal in sports.

Yeah I thought the same, when the first score was read and the announcer said 118-110, I was like none of the fighters won that many rounds what is he thinking? The two other scores the one that gave the win to GGG and the one with the draw were a lot more close to what happened on the ring.

That Mayweather - Pacquiao 2 match is not very visible for now and many did forget about this match as Mayweather isn't open with any negotiations with the PacMan team. Floyd seems to be a fighter for money and not a fighter for his own reputation. His money is his reputation and he is a social climber. I just really hated it when I saw him win against Pacquiao, I hate that decision.

Its been 2 years since the fight dude. Just move forward, I also hated Mayweather but it is what it is. If they fought on their prime it would be different. But he waited for the perfect time before fighting Manny. He should have fought when Manny is banging big guys. But Floyd is wise. Imagine a version of Manny that fought Miguel Cotto or Dela Hoya. I think the outcome would favor Pacquiao. But this time Pacquiao should KO Horn or win in a convincing way before retiring for good.

I do not think we are going to see that fight again, Mayweather got what he wanted, he waited and delayed the fight until he thought he will be able to avoid Manny’s fists and speed, I do not like Mayweather but he is smart and was able to avoid fighting Manny at his best.

money will always be the major things for every sport events and there are a lot of money involved almost on every boxing event and i'm pretty sure most of people who already bets for Mayweather match will got a lot of money too because 0 losses during his career but regarding this match i'm slightly worried that Horn will win maybe with unanimous decision again and possibly you said is true that this is another scenario to made new Mayweather

It will be only a tale for now. Very impossible to see him fight together again with Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao is a real fighter and he really wants a rematch with him and he deserved that challenge. Floyd Mayweather is a typical wiser athlete, he knows how to run business and how to keep his reputation. He doesn't care with the people's reaction as long as he knows what he's doing and it will benefit him, that is what giving matters to him.

True and its all against the odds, He don't want to lose his statistics title but if we compare his fights to manny pacquiao ,he is too much far from each other whose Mayweather using his being wise and run while Manny is using a true power and speed.

If Marquez watched that fight, and Manny sour-graping about the judges decision that he was robbed, then probably Marquez would laugh at him and saying  "I feel you bro, i feel you, i have clearly won all the fights between us but i was totally robbed".

I admire Horn more instead of admiring Mayweather, he's really annoying me though he's a wise one. I know this is real sports and it's not just about your body and strength but it's all about on how you think and how wise you are. Mayweather is really pissing a lot of Manny Pacquiao fans because he doesn't want to have a rematch on him even the part sharing will be 70%-30% / 60% -40%

Horn did not won that fight if you see the fight all the conditions were in his favor, he was fighting in his home country, the fight was on the open with the Australian sun in all its glory since he is younger he could withstand the heat better than Manny and the referee did not subtracted any points to him even when that was the dirties fight that I have ever seen.

Obviously he has splendid amusement so he would have all the more brilliant future as you specified decade then yes. It is life and he would come back again so we ought not accuse somebody everyone misfortune in a begin at that point gain from botches there are something which is called moral. Everyone gain from their errors on the off chance that you commit an errors then you are learning.

As much as i love paquiao i dont think that he still have the killer instinct unlike a few years ago, ever since he became a pastor and been knockout by marquez he became soft, he still have the power but i dont think that he can still win over a rematch with horn.

additional is hes age,hes not getting any younger he fought
many battles and won,every boxer has their own time,paquiao has
over he should give the chance for younger boxer to make their moment
to shine and be famous.i am a big fan of Manny but i accept that he must
give it up.

Both fighters now have their demands for this fight to proceed. Both fighters wants the fight to happen in their homeland, Horn in Brisbane Australia while Manny wants it to happen in the Philippines. Last update they were suppose to meet last November 12 but it was Manny who pulled out because he needs to attend to a lot of commitments as a Senator in his country. We may have seen Manny's last fight and that was with Horn.

Most boxer lost their killer instinct with age. He is closing at age 40 and with the fights he has, all the banging he got, its bound to happened. Arum is just milking Pacquaio for all its worth. As for the rematch, if this is his last fight, then I think he will give it all to win and end his career in a high note. We all love what Manny has done to boxing, but for me he needs to retire and hang up the gloves now. And let this this last fight, if the fight pushes through.

Truly agree, it's always difficult for a sportsperson to understand that age is catching up with him, age is the biggest bitch and nothing can be done, he has the power but what matters is the desire how bad he wants this victory. Considering the very fact that his carrier is coming to an end, I expect this to very a good match, as he'll give everything and I feel this match will raised the tempo. Whom are you placing bets on?

Their fight is totally cook. Pacquiao should won in their game. I think they really cheating with Pacquiao and maybe the referee or maybe those who made that game bet on Horn that's why Horn wins because a lot of their money would lose if Pacquiao would won so they just cook the game and make Horn won.

Does anyone here have an update regarding this rematch? Is it already on a contract and will be possible to be seen early next year? I thought this rematch will be done this month.

I was shocked by the news of the 2nd match between pacquiao vs horn. I think pacquiao will retire after the game against the first horn. However, there is a 2nd match. It will be a big gamble.

Every person have there own analysis or prediction  about this second fight of pacquiao vs horn,but for me my own perception that if the second fight will held back again in australia,manny will no chances again to win vs horn because of homecourt advantage its like happen in there first fight.but if the fight will held to other countries like las vegas so many people will gamble in this fight and pacquiao have an 80% chances of winning against the young horn in terms of speed and punch,if this 2nd rematch will happen next year, but if theres no negotation its just only a dreams.

Manny Pacquiao is old, he cannot take his opponent down then there is a chance that he might loss again.
They are wanting for the rematch, probably because of the money but I am sure once again Manny will be the heavy favorites, and although he is one of my favorite fighters, I still believe now that he has no strength anymore to beat a younger opponent.

Just want to bump this thread I made last year, anyone who has insiders if this game will be locked on or pursued?