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Should Bitcoin form a freedom fighters army? Like the founders of America, we need an army.

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Freedom isn't free.


Soldiers of fortune perhaps.

No, violence can't accomplish anything an already great idea like bitcoin won't. Besides, it's not like bitcoin has a favorable reputation with governments, last thing we need is to be branded terrorists.

Nicely biased poll there, besides, as far as I'm concerned, we've already won, all of this was over currency, now someone has gone and made a peaceful solution for us we should focus on making it as solid a concept as possible and wait for everyone to adopt it as they get sick of the current system.

There's actually a terrorist group on the darknet accepting bitcoin as donations...

"occupy" are the freedom fighters / soldiers of fortune. it is upto them to decide if they want to use bitcoin instead of fiat, as part of their protesting against banks.

after all if they are protesting that banks/gvernments are evil, then continuing to use the currency owned by banks and governments is then hypocritical

much like a vegetarian who says eating certain types of meat is acceptable

What could possibly go wrong?

If you mean by an army of educated, informed citizens... then yeah I like the idea...

Be all you can be! Know your rights and responsibilities as a Citizen! Do you know what your countries constitution and bill of rights means to you?

We can setup vast re-education centers, to prepare regular citizens military style to know all the implications of the highest law of their land... the constitution. Well train them to fight in court, to use government services correctly and form networks of support teams for members in legal trouble.

well give them hell! and we can even form lobby groups to fund fellow Bitcon militia members to run for office!

I envision a world where a crack team of Bitcoin activists, lawyers, programmers, network administrators start forming supply lines of information and resources to make this world a better world for the values that Bitcoin stands for, FREEDOM!!

Open Source mesh networks deployed across the country, giving free access to the internet and the information that it provides.

Allowing members access to exclusive second hand hardware that other Bitcoin Army members no longer need.

Giving them the latest information open source style to all members all at once.

the latest gadgetry, services and DIY schematics to get their supply lines operational for networking, legal council, just imagine a court room packed with 1 million members all accessing the legal database of laws to help a member in trouble, acting as their council in court!

for every member that falls in action, we can take the information they had, distribute it to all members and devise new tactics with increased probability of success.

If we get big enough world wide we can start launching our own communication satellites to broadcast free internet across the globe; A global network of satellites with terabyte internet for all the bitcoin network to use, wherever they are, if they are in New York or the middle of the Savannah in Africa, they'll be able to connect.

Who knows maybe we can even start forming more complex services and deploy them worldwide using encryption technology gained from Bitcoin, so we never ever see the dreaded 112% vote error, no one will ever be able to vote twice anywhere in the world. Just imagine... your trying to fudge the vote, you get flagged, citizen are you aware that the key you just entered to vote is for someone who is already dead? not only that but the records would be immutable so if your listed as being born... that private key is yours forever and if the record says that private key belongs to someone who's dead... they can't vote. only listed people with valid encryption keys can vote.

lol the nerd army. I'm shore this will be very effective!
The world has enough fights going on you don't need to become an extremist in something just because you believe in it. this is the sort of scrap the world needs to get rid of, the old ways are not bitcoin.
Freedom is a goal obtainable by tact, let's leave the fighting to the neandathols.

die infidel.

ba ha ha ha!

Bitcoin already has an army, and its not your personal one.

We already have an army. Anakin Skywalker is the current commanding officer.

The world needs a new type of ideology, a new type of warrior, that fights with their mind, like Jedi Ninja Hackers! Dude, we can make a series.

An army for what??

lol, WTF.  No.

Okay, I pay every soldier 0.0001 BTC per day.

We'll hold you to that when the FIAT wars collapse all the other currencies in the world and 1 bitcoin is worth 1,000,000,000 USD (collapse of USD you know).
 :)

And all Terrorist accept fiat as donations  ;)

OMG RLLY?????

GUYS. WE HAVE TO OUTLAW ALL CURRENCIES.

FOR LIBERTY. FOR FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (If you don't agree your a terrorist and a communist).

 ;D ;D

I guess only one thing needs to be done and that is to Let Lose the Drones of War!! :o

I don't quite imagine what fighters would do, but maybe some lawyers and lobbyists could help.

Already asked a similar question, but I would never call it an "Army".

enjoy being on a terrorist blacklist :P

It appears that a couple of people here have never gotten the chance to understand the concept of "Ignoring the fed into oblivion."

I guess it should be expected that we get noobs into our ranks that never heard the orginal battle plans; bitcoin has grown very popular this year.

FYI, OP: Armies are SO 20th-century. Today's power lies in superior encryption & decentralization.

I voted yes; because the image of a bunch of fat, pasty, neckbeards swinging LoR replica swords at predator drones is hilarious.

yea right. you're living in a fantasy world.

no.

What for?


Out of curiosity, who is ''we''?

Anonymous does the job anyway.

I vote no

there was no "no" option so if you voted, you must have voted yes.

apparently not you, filthy infidel.

I only posted my vote bro. did not take part in the pole. So there is another option

good for you. hope you're proud of yourself.

yeah i am. Its ok your mum said she's proud of you aswell

You know. After reading these posts. I can't actually tell who's serious, who's kidding, and who thinks that everyone else is actually serious.

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Wow, that pic was a lot bigger than I thought it was.

 :)that is so good

Dude, you're retarded.

Don't be so crude!

It's now politically correct to refer to his type as "herbally stunted."

Now I am beginning to understand what this army is for. It's for fighting infidels. Not just any infidels, those filthy ones!  ;D

https://i.imgur.com/QcXo4zO.jpg

... now recruiting for freedom army of cyber-warriors.

Ugh, really? That's disappointing. Can't say I'm surprised, though.

Shit like this really hurts Bitcoin's public image. You guys can say whatever you like about how it's inevitable, and how it could be done with fiat, but in the end people will die as a result of the actions of this group, and I'd really have preferred it if Bitcoin hadn't played a role.

Oh well, what can you do.

Pretty sweet post. No court can rule on individual liberty; at least not my own liberty so long as it does not infringe on others' liberties.

If I agree with 51% of what you wrote, can I still get in? Or would that require a hard fork? 

bahaha! this wI'll make a funny skit on Tosh .0

Citizen, you are already part of the revolution. It's still early to gain the programs and skills you need to make a difference.

Download this for freedom...

Freenet  https://freenetproject.org/  Distributed encryption program(it's ugly right now in there so don't go clicking wildly on any links... seriously! it needs better content.)

TOR https://www.torproject.org/ a encrypted communication program

I2P http://www.i2p2.de/ another encrypted communication program, basic routing anonymizer, very fast and allows you to create your own DarkWeb site.

Tails https://tails.boum.org/about/ Live CD secure linux operating system loadable onto a usb. preconfigured to anonymize you.

YaCy http://yacy.net/en/index.html a personal p2p search engine, it can index sites that google does not, still in it's infancy, works out of the box but difficult to properly setup right now. you can index your site for public consumption.

Taxati http://www.tixati.com/ For encrypted p2p torrent downloading.

FileZilla https://filezilla-project.org/ a open source ftp client/server

Bitmessage https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page  a decentralized messaging service based on Bitcoin

OpenVoip http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~salman/peer/0_2.html  download the wengo file, this is a p2p phone call application.

Hyperboria http://hyperboria.net/ the beginnings of a free internet, a mesh network with the possibility of being built separate from the existing internet infrastructure: it's a wireless node mesh network.

RSSowl http://www.rssowl.org/ a open source news reader great for staying informed on worldwide events straight from the regional news sites, even alerts you when things that are in your interest to know are being discussed by the media.

sites:

http://hackaday.com/

http://www.instructables.com/ 

http://lifehacker.com/

http://gizmodo.com/tag/diy

http://www.afrigadget.com/

http://sourceforge.net/

https://github.com/

http://wikileaks.org/ Stay informed!

and the rest is up to you, learn your rights and responsibilities as a citizen. Find out what government programs there are that are meant to help you communicate better with the government, stay involved,stay informed; These are fellow citizens with limitations that only we can help to make better decisions by providing our input.

most of the government programs that are in our interest to support are underfunded and difficult to find, we can only make it better.

ONLY you can stop social corruption.

You missed these:

Jitsi - https://jitsi.org - Encrypting all your online communications in one client (Very nice)

Crypto Cat - https://crypto.cat - Like IRC chat rooms, but all totally encrypted

Project Byzantium - http://project-byzantium.org - Ad hoc mesh networking



On the topic of mesh networking, I think the 1 ingredient that's really missing from replacing the internet is a new wifi spec that supports more range... The OLPC laptops they've been giving out for years already show a decent amount of ad-hoc range but it's clearly not enough to cover a big city without every user online.

Can WiFi Mesh Networking gaps be bridged with wireless or even land phone lines?  Resurrection of modems?

To a degree. It depends on the situation.

If we're just trying to start a fully seperate mesh network in today's world, then yes, certainly landline wires can connect across the vast spaces. Cell towers too, of course. (And ham radio, and satellite, and CB, and tin cans with a string, etc.)

The problem comes however when the guvmints decide that it's illegal to use the internetz without one of their approved ISPs being your on-ramp. Under that scenario, which isn't really that far fetched at all, some alphabet agency will be watching for exactly this and even encrypted packets will look out of place enough for them to stop/block/make arrests.

So to really get the dead zones alive, it looks like either sending up our own satellites, or perhaps laying secret cables between towns is the only way to keep the free web up and running.

I think the satellite route is probably best for that need. There are millions of satellites in orbit now put up by hundreds of different nations. Surely we could put up some undetected ones among that space junk debris field with a bit of backing.

cjdns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cjdns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cjdns)

Isn't that how they secretly hire agents from Blackwater? I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!!

Long Term Evolution, at least that's the plan.

No, we should work democratically within the Constitutional system to enact positive change. It may be harder than a revolution, but it is the right thing to do.

Flamers: Quote this message and post your long and insulting responses below.  ;)

Are you really asking if a bunch of computer geeks should step outside into bright sunlight and be social? ahahaahaha welcome to the armchair revolution.

Is that the best you can troll?

Back in my day, Trolling used to mean something!

Atlas lives!

Now that's proper trolling!

You're not going to be laughing when Obomba signs an executive order to come after bitcoin directly... To do that he'll have to have greater control over the ISPs... If not federal control.  

It's a little unclear what, if anything, you are saying.  But whatever it is, I don't imagine that sharks with lasers are going to help you much.

OP I'd like to help you with this whole army thing but I'm in training to be a libertarian. The first part of my training requires that I be a complete gutless pussy that peacefully protests until I get dragged off by the police. The second phase of my training begins when I graduate from college and find out I can make a shit ton of money then sell-out and join the republican party. So I wouldn't be much help really. Sorry!

i vote for friendly image of bitcoin, most people still believe governent is good for them so they will not understand why are we fighting. we should be smarter than gov and banks and blow them up from inside.

We already are freedom fighters. I'm doing what I'm doing to help liberate us from a tyrannical and sick money system that has caused untold misery in the world for generations.

I'm not trolling, I am serious. Things may be pretty screwed up, but I still believe in this country (USA).

hate to bust your bubble but adopting Bitcoin does not do any of that, if anything it is a major contributor to worldwide tyranny. I would even go as far as saying it seals the deal.

Yeah those are good ones, are there anymore useful or interesting ones available?

the specs for a wireless network are tricky, we can get more range using better wireless message protocols, but man, that is some serious work for it to be difficult to detect, I was thinking maybe 4fsk modulation, very effective in obstacle heavy areas. If it's wireless I'll try to do some research.

We all believe in freedom, we simply are experimenting for the rest of the population, can we be more free when we have true control of our money? I can't imagine someone in merchant era europe being denied the use of their gold cause  they don't like the way they think... they'd accept the gold no matter what, things changed recently... money controls, import duties... something that Adam Smith proved was a really bad thing 300 years ago... the industrial revolution happened because of his revolutionary book; The wealth of nations.  How the hell did this happen?

And we can't forget that we are carrying this freedom to everyone that is extremely repressed like in Burma, China, North Korea, Syria, we may very well be giving anyone with a cell phone the right to bypass any government controls imposed on them, Are terrorist, drug dealers using this, or is there the possibility that Freedom Fighters, Doctors and activists are using it to bypass opresive state controls? Observing the adoption of Bitcoin in those countries will be the proof of the effect of true monetary freedom.

http://steghide.sourceforge.net/


Something along the lines of the above could allow utilization of 'the enemies' resources which will always be healthy and robust and NOT under attack.  But for a realistic way to do long-range wifi:

https://www.usenix.org/conference/nsdi-07/wildnet-design-and-implementation-high-performance-wifi-based-long-distance

The primary cost gains arise from the use of low-cost and low-power single-board computers and high-volume low-cost off-the-shelf 802.11 (WiFi) wireless cards using unlicensed spectrum. The nodes are also lightweight and don’t need expensive towers. These networks are very different from the short-range multi-hop urban mesh networks. Unlike mesh networks, which use omnidirectional antennas to cater to short ranges (less than 1–2 km at most), WiLD networks are comprised of point-topoint wireless links that use high-gain directional antennas (e.g. 24 dBi, 8◦ beam-width) with line of sight (LOS) over long distances (10–100 km).
http://static.usenix.org/event/nsdi07/tech/full_papers/patra/patra.pdf

The key factors that distinguish WiLDNet from 2P and the stock 802.11 (WiFi) protocol are:
1. Improving link utilization using bulk acknowledgments
2. Designing TDMA in lossy environments
3. Handling high packet loss rates
4. Application-based parameter configuration

Very true. If we want a free world, and people who don't understand what freedom is are standing in our way, then we have no choice but to lead by example.


Here here!

It makes me sad for people like tbvcof & PuffPuffPass who are among us but obviously can't see the true beauty in bitcoin.


So you actually believe that "working democratically within the Constitutional system to enact positive change" is possible?

You have figured out that the USA (like most other countries) only has a 1-party system, right?

If not, why are you here?


Oh this ought to be good... Let's hear your comedic interpretation of how bitcoin is helping our evil overlords do more evil.  ::)


Most of your posts to date have tempted me to put you on my ignore list... But this one link has granted you at least 100 more posts of safety. Thank you, it is some good stuff.

Ha, ya.  We are ultimately on the same side if/when the shit hits the fan.  But that doesn't mean we cannot have a little fun in the interim ;)

I didn't realize at the time this was another one of your troll threads... ::) ::)

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I just enjoy it, I realized it a long time ago. lol

hope you two enjoy the cancer you get from that all those radio waves.