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Wheres the team doing this?

Dev, Site is not working. 500 error. Maybe, you're blocked some ip range?

I think the explanation of the project is less impressive, it's good if the developers also include a logo for this project
and include developer team members in detail

not open bounty or airdrop dev
i think you need create good design youre thread, if you want investor interest buy youre coin

Would like to see a little bit more info on the method for cooling :)

interestring project. Good luck dev

Any prooves that your method really works?

Yes, sure, you may check on our site that intel approved that technology.

If I understood right that's not a proof. It's just your words that he said so...

You should promote the coin on Newbium: https://chat.newbium.com   

So, you have a license to produce this type of cooling?

looking intetest, i hope yourr project will be succes sir,,  good luck.

What is the role of blockchain in this?

We are international team

So you are actually only selling 20% discount vouchers, right? Anyone investing in your project could at maximum earn 20%, with a very high probability that you don't deliver or set up your warehouse. In other words: a very high probability that investors lose everything. Is that more or less correct?

Nope it's totally incorrect!
20% it benefits for buyers who just wanna buy our solution and choose how to buy it. Using usual transaction via bank card or using our Token. So if he choose the token he goes to the  exchange market to buy it from investor which are bought Token on preSale/Sale.
The token price is not tied up to the unit cost. The price is tied up only for USD. So on the 1 token you can buy up to any amount of the units  depends on Token $ price. So teoreticaly if One token will be cost 2800USD, you can sell it to 10 users which are wanna to buy our solution and get it.
We try to evaluate for investor normal profit for a first year x3.

If we not set up warehouse the delivery time and cost  just be not so small that we and buyers wishing

Sure there is usual risk for investor like with others coin/token. There was two ways to make fixed price for one unit case, some say one Case = one token, but by this way  you can't get more profite and speculate by this one market. And second way is to not fixed price of PC case in Token and make it easy for speculation. Also it's impossible for investor to loose because for buyers "from street" doesn't matter for how much he buy token he pay in Fiat 350 USD- 20%, so he will buy Token for any price becasue price in for the PC case in Token set up everyday . 
Example: 
Price 350 USD with bankcard / 280 USD with Token
Pre sale price for 1 token was some say 300 USD
So for this day 1 PC case cost in token 280USD/300USD = 0,933 ICS(buyer from the street pay 280USD for the PC case)
if Tomorrow price for 1 token will be some say 3000USD
So for tomorrow 1 PCS cost in token 280USD/3000USD = 0,0933 ICS(buyer from the street pay same 280USD for the PC case)
Investor gets profit!

I hope i much cleary explain to you.

Wait: then I completely failed to understand what your token represents. It does not represent any right to generated profit, does it? Why would your token increase in value if there is no asset other than more or less price fixed products backing the tokens?

and that makes it ok to raise millions? no wonder vast majority here are skeptics. you'll have to do better

This project is simple but rich, not cumbersome, this is a highly efficient team, in addition to mining, how to get the token? Will it be empty or bounty activities?

Good luck for the future  ;D

I like this project, very good, and not a bad idea to invest in this project, maybe I will see the progress of this thread first before deciding to join or not, I hope dev give more ICO details, thanks, well

I like this project, very good, and not a bad idea to invest in this project, maybe I will see the progress of this thread first before deciding to join or not, I hope dev give more ICO details, thanks, well

This project is simple but rich, not cumbersome, this is a highly efficient team, in addition to mining, how to get the token? Will it be empty or bounty activities?

Like say Vitalik Buterin the team is not main, main is the project.
Team are locate in Italy/China/Russia

Many projects failed their ICOs here only because of absence of a team information.

It does not represent any right to generated profit, does it? YES
Why would your token increase in value if there is no asset other than more or less price fixed products backing the tokens? Same answer as for Bitcoin why it's increasing in Value?

Ok I thought you somewhere wrote that it does not entitle the right to receive profits you generate within the company. My mistake then.

I will definitely have a look at this wp. Thanks for the project.
Bounty and ICO will be? When?

would be interessting whats represent if its done !
are there finished Computersystems or only finished cooling systems for PCs or for Servers too

thanks team
nice try of course ???

Token exchange rate: 1 ETH=1.2 ICS => too high price, I don't think it can reach that price

The more you know about your customers, the more you can provide to them information that is increasingly useful, relevant, and persuasive.

What kind of "dry water" is used in your system? 3M Novec 1230 isn't it? Can your cooling case be adopted  for cooling  GPU's mining farm  (say 4-5 GPU cards) ?

No problem sir. The 20% discount need to involve more people in Token economics and to pump the price of the Token on market. We hope to involve in the Token market about 200M$ when our market is about 700M$

Ok now you are starting to really talk unreal shit. I really thought about paying attention to your project, but why are you claiming such utopic numbers? Let's place a bet for 12 months in a smart contract. I am willing to put forward 50 BTC. Let me know if you are interested.

new konsep on first immersion Cooling System For PC ,
i think still contionus for supporting and see overall about project

3M Novec it's tradmark name of the dry water.
It will be possible to use up to 4 GPU when we or vendors will release SE GPU for 1 SLOT.
Others ways for now you may use only up to 2 GPU with double slot.

OK. thanks. And two more question. Do you have a working prototype? Would be nice to see it on youtube. And what about the noise level if one put down 2 GPU with double slot?

Liked the name NOVACOOL, the development of this project until 2019, of course that is a long time for me. but it will pay off if the development of this project is very significant in the future, hopefully your project is successful.

Your WP is very clear, never before read that kind of WP. I will in.
Is it just 1ETH min for entry?

very unique concept but i'm not sure this project will be accepted with people and this technology there in some place. japanese is use technology like yours. any project planning,? good luck.

This is an open and free project, and if it is applied, it will be a welfare for many people

Any questions about product or Token Possible profits?

Yes, I understand that you are selling a product. PC cooling systems, am I correct?
But how does the investor make a return/profit? Does he/she get a % comission over every cooling system sold by NOVACOOL?
If so, for what price are you selling the cooler and what % of that goes to the investor?

If not, how does the investor make a return/profit?

The token holder which are not interest to buy NOVAcool cooling system could sell his tokens on stock exchange. The profit could be genereted by speculation of the Token and also by selling Token to people who wanna get dicount on our cooling system because if you buy using token you get discount 20 . So it's stimulate people to go on market to buy token from Token holder/investor.

The token holder which are not interest to buy NOVAcool cooling system could sell his tokens on stock exchange. The profit could be genereted by speculation of the Token and also by selling Token to people who wanna get dicount on our cooling system because if you buy using token you get discount 20 . So it's stimulate people to go on market to buy token from Token holder/investor.

-Edit- how are you going to protect yourself from large company's like DELL who can mass produce this in a larger and more cost efficient scale once they learn about your product?
If you really have this product I'd advice you to search for an angel investor, someone with a large capital that can fund you patents for international rights else you're going to have your idea stolen leaving you behind in the dust of debt. I can guarrantee that this will happen if you do not have a patent. Look for a 50/50 deal with someone who has a lot of money, this is very common for inventors. They will also have the knowledge and connections to get your product started on the market.

I think that is an alright concept but I'd be nervous about the sales of such a product. I honestly think you're way better of going somewhere else with this and not on the Altcoin market. This is something that needs to be integrated on every system, offices, gamers and miners. Big data factories they all need this, you can't expect them to go on exchanges buying tokens to then purchase your system. Before you'd even have an audience your idea is being mass produced by intell/dell/alienware etc etc.
And unless you have a patent you can't sue them or claim royalty's. You'd live your life seeing YOUR product being sold without making a dime!
I don't think you understand the market and as an inventor you don't have to. But take it from someone who does understand how this game is played and look for alternatives.

A big part of purchasing products is also treshhold you want that to be done quickly and effectively, you don't want to give people second thoughts and doubts. And here's how someone without crypto experience is going to purchase and learn about your product if YOU ARE LUCKY!

He hears it from a friend/referral or you might have an internet add. He then sees this product and thinks yeah I want that. Where do I buy it. And suddenly he's downloading a bitcoin wallet, purchasing bitcoin, something he has never ever done before, go to an exchange, register there, transfer his btc/eth to it. Buy the tokens in a process he doesn't understand, then go back to your website and purchase the product he wants from you in a transaction that is completely new to him, he doesn't understand nor trust.

You get the picture? I'm not bashing you, I'm telling you as friendly advice. Think this trough clearly, I don't think you know what you are getting yourself into at all!

Okay, at what price do you expect to sell the tokens? How many tokens will it take to buy one cooling system and how many are you planning to produce/sell?
Is there a limit on how much you can sell?

I see in main round of initial coins offering one ICS will be more expansive than Ethereum. You didn't even present the thread very well in professional way and expect to sell at this high price each token. I will still be watching the result of presale before deciding anything.

Are u sure that there are will be no leaks?

Yes we are sure.There are no fittings and tubes inside of the case, there are one way how it can leak it's when copper radiator will rust till the hole but even in this case water will be on the top of the case because "dry water" is 1,6 times heavier than simple water so hardware will be covered with "dry water" and it's prevent of contact with water of the  components.

And proportional distribution absolutely fair for all.

I saw in internet how it’s work, would be looks great at home with bubbles))

Do you have a working prototype?

Can I use usual ATX power supply?

I have already water cooling. Am I clear understood that I can use my pump and radiator to reduce the cost?

Where is u planning to locate factory?

What is the price of the system?

Do you have proof of concept? Is it tech work?

Abstract

Every year about two million people all over the world are searching by web for new one effective and reliable cooling system that will be able to replace air and water cooling for PC. The air cooling is not effective and brings dust, water cooling is unreliable and complicated to install when need to cool more than only CPU.

The NOVAcool immersion cooling system for home PC allows to solve all problems of the present cooling systems and brings to market future generation of cooling system with high effectiveness and reliability by affordable price on entry level.

Successful crowdsale will allow NOVAcool to set up factory and local warehouses, to reduce cost production and to hold main percent of the market for immersion cooling systems for PC and in near future to expand the product list.

The NOVAcool Token could be free exchanged on market as the holder wish. The Token will give 20% discount on all present and future goods of NOVAcool. Price of products will be fixed in USD but will be recalculated one time per day for Token to reduce volatility for customers and to make purchase more comfortable.
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ _____________________
Token Launch Summary
Token name: ICScoin
Token symbol: ICS (ICS is abbreviation of Immersion Cooling System)
ICS Token is an Ethereum (ERC-20) token representing the right to exchange Token to the NOVAcool’s products with discount 20% relatively to fixed price in USD.
NC-Ltd (limited edition) products are could be exchange only on ICS tokens and without any discount.

Accepted forms of payment: Ether (“ETH”)
Minimum entry threshold: 1 ETH
Total Token Issue Volume: 500 000
  

Pre-sale Phase:
Presale Start Date: September 28, 2017 12:00 (UTC)
Presale End Date: October 12, 2017 12:00 (UTC)
Token Sale Volume: 15 000 ICS
Presale Soft cap: 5 000 ICS
Token exchange rate: 1 ETH=1.2 ICS

Sale Phase:
Sale Start Date: October 26, 2017 12:00 (UTC)
Sale End Date: November 23, 2017 12:00 (UTC)
Token Sale Volume: 485 000 ICS
Token exchange rate: 1 ETH=0.9 ICS
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________ _____________________
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Medium: https://medium.com/@NOVAcool_io
White Paper English: https://novacool.io/white_paper_engl.pdf
White Paper Chinese: https://novacool.io/white_paper_ch.pdf
White Paper Italian: https://novacool.io/white_paper_it.pdf
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FAQ
Is it a final design of the case? – No, the outer design could be change.
Why don’t you make bounty and rise up bonuses on Pre-Sale? – Because for the token we have to supply products that are cost real money.
Can you disclose your full design included the case's inside part? – No, first of all we have to get patents or get start sales, because the market is very big and there are a lot of competitors.
Is it solution from the box? - No, it should be completed with pump, radiators and fans.
Why don’t you supply a ready solution from the box with radiators and pump? - Because there a lot of customers that already had pump and radiator that they could use in our cooling system. Also there are a lot of different suppliers with different price and designs, so we think the customers could choose the better solution for themself.
Is it possible to use ordinary motherboards? – Yes, you can use all hardware available on market(micro-ATX/mini-ITX motherboards, memory, video cards, power supply, e.t.c)
What is SE GPU? - It’s a special video card designed for 1 slot without heat sink or with copper plate. The SE GPU’s using allows to reduce cost of video cards and to use less “dry water”.
Do your solutions change something globally? – Our solution changes the whole PC industry and dismisses the radiators on video cards, processors, RAM, motherboard, and reduce the cost of their production and transportation. In the end the vendors gain profits and the consumers get convenience.

How many systems you wanna sell in 2018?

Do you discuss investments with some of venture funds?

Is it just 350 USD for mITX and more 100 USD for mATX?

What is max height for MEM?

your dry water is it safe?

your project is very good sir, new concept on first immersion Cooling System For PC. I'm sure there are many who are interested and join your project. Unfortunately, you dont want to hold a bounty campaign.

your project is very good sir, new concept on first immersion Cooling System For PC. I'm sure there are many who are interested and join your project. Unfortunately, you dont want to hold a bounty campaign.

I am correct you wanna sell up to 200$M systems per year?

I am sure your cooling tech is cool, but the project doesn't really fit as cryptocurrency. The coin is basically useless, so why should we buy it? I think for stuff like this, there are "better" ways to get the needed money -> crowdfunding.

Why coin is usless? It's allows to holder make profits!

Where is this mentioned? I only see the point regarding 20% discount.

Please read carefully. 20% is need just to stimulate buyers of the system buy Token on second market from the holders of the token. The System price not tied up to the Token price.So if some say for example:
1 Token price is 280$ = you can buy on it 1 Cooling System
1 Token price is 2800$ =  you can buy on it 10 Cooling Systems  - PROFIT!

Sorry, but with this, you confirm my assumption that this coin is pretty useless. It doesn't "do" anything, just giving me a discount when buying your product. The Product doesn't need the coin at all (well except for the initial funding of course). I still think, a crowdsale would be a better fit for this project.

Why just not to sell system for Token?

i really like the development of this thread - really seems like if this could get big!
Tired of unreasonable amount of charges, transaction fees. My only worry is how the exchange rate will be maintained in such a volatile currency market condition.

But what must do coin for investors? Yes may be it's not do something special like in the  IT projects, but it;s real economics with real market. So all what Tokens do is involve more people in our Token economics and returne investors profits

Like I said ... what you need is just crowdfunding. The token is useless ... ok, the hardware can be bought with that tokens, but that is it. Besides, I imagine I can also buy the hardware with fiat currencies. I understand why you do it through this channel ... but it isn't the right fit.

Anyway ... good luck with the project etc. Hopefully you get enough investors.

Hi dev i have seen you are running several bounty campaign but not signature , why?

it's good to see another project in the mining space to help with over heated computers. but I just wanted to clarify is the token at 1 ETH = 1.2 that seems like a stretch. are we investing in the business or only the a single product each token?

it's good to see another project in the mining space to help with over heated computers. but I just wanted to clarify is the token at 1 ETH = 1.2 that seems like a stretch. are we investing in the business or only the a single product each token?

The price of the cooling system with Token will be varius depends on his stock exchange price.  So if 1 Token price on market 280 USD you may buy 1 Token  = 1  system. If the token price 2800USD you may buy 10 systems.
So with our token you may speculate same way as others token.

The price is ridiculous.


You always mention the best case :-) ... What about I buy tokens and the price falls to 10 USD? Than I can't buy even 1 device. The fall height is big when you sell tokens during the ICO at this price.

If fall you need more tokens, But it's a rull if you wanna get big profit you may loos a lot. If we make 1 Token = 1 Case, so ivnestor could only get 20% maximum i think it iwll be not so interesting.

I only said, that you based the ICO price on this ratio ... token = case. Of course it won't stay that way, because token price doesn't stand still.
You are talking a lot about profit ... and that is exactly my problem with this project. Why should the price should go up? (besides some pump&dump action). Why should the coin worth grow over time? Your product price will not change (I suppose). It always have the same price tag. Sometime in the future you will release some new model etc., but still ... I don't see price going up 10x as you always mention it.

And about 300 USD for 1 Token is a hefty price for an ICO.

Hi dev! Tell me when You planiruete to place Your coins on the exchanges (and on what) and what will be the initial cost of these coins!?Also I wanted to ask, will you precisely Your coins to purse parties every week or it will be done only after the end of ICO?

We are international team

You can buy the system with fiat currency ... the option the most ppl will choose. Otherwise tons of people would need to buy the system, so the price goes up. BTW. what happens with the tokens, that are used to buy a system?

What international team? I would like to as the same thing too which I cant see the devs who took impart into this project. This thing do matter on investors which they would always check out on the people who are beyond on this project.I do like it because it is connection on PC which I'm also an enthusiast too.I like the idea but most important thing for me is to check out on the people behind this.

Superiorly the more you know about your customers, the more you can provide to them information that is increasingly useful, relevant, and persuasive.

great for new project , i think this this potensial to grow
i hope will be succes

I think you overlooked my question last time -> What happens with the tokens, that are used to buy a system?

Hello,
Sry but i don't see your question, nothing happens with the token. You means is it will be freez or delete? 

So you will hold all coins, that customers will use to pay for the hardware. Thanks for the answer.

I like this project, good idea to invest, Good luck for the future

Token issue is limited?

Are u going to sell system only via your web-shop? Or also through resellers?

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Where is your factory will be located?

Is it for 350$ included water pump?

Why don’t you include also water pump and radiators in box?

is it will be no dust inside at all? but only bubbles)))?

Are you going deliver worldwide already at first quarter 2018?

If any questions? you are welcome

Looks like you already designed your system that much more better all other ICo where only promises

Will I only get 20% profit from the sale of your Token?

Will I only get 20% profit from the sale of your Token?

btw. I just checked out your website and part of the engl. texts are really bad.  You should really get a person, that does the translations for you.

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dev what hapen with this project?why never update