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Hello everyone,

I came across this article on cointelegraph today and it seems a great project. What does everyone else think? anyone got any advice for a new ICO hunter?

https://cointelegraph.com/news/crowdholding-co-creating-companies-to-success

thank you

Personally I am a big fan of this altcoin.

I have been following them for quite some while and they have a solid team, great whitepaper and all their numbers and concepts in order.

Their pre-ico was small but very successful, and if their first week goes very well I will be throwing down some Ethereum.

Their only issue is lack of marketing, so I am glad to see they have an article with cointelegraph.

Interesting, thank you for your response.

Personally I am waiting to see how their first week goes.

I am a little weary of co-creation, It's a beautiful idea and i hope it works it just needs a lot of adopters.

But if they fly in their first week I will be throwing down some ETH.

Good to know! I have seen some co-creation platforms have very successful ICO's so why not this one?

after i saw that it is a sponsored text i stopped reading. or lets say: i did not even start reading after i saw the sponsored in the picture.

Can I ask why this is a bad thing? I imagine that 99% of all ICO's have to pay to be listed / have blogs written about them. It's how websites like cointelegraph make their money. If anything it means to me that they are serious because they are willing to spend on marketing (which means if the ICO doesn't go as planned they are out of pocket more).

Trying to learn all I can!

If you are unsure on an ICO I always find it is best to wait a week or so and see how it performs, very few ICOs sell out within the first week and it is easy to spot those that will because there will be a huge hype around them. With regards to this one in particular I worry that they may struggle to get enough adoption, this is often the case with almost any ICO though.

"What if karma was worth money?"

Waoh saw this phrases on their website

I wouldn't say that this ICO is bad because at least it has a use case there

However, i think there's existing project in the market, technically not 100% the same way of operation but there's such niche in the market.

To foresee if it will be successful or not, you can start by joining their slacks/telegram, always ask questions regarding the future and how they deal with X problems :0

I didn't come across any whitepaper on that website. Is there any, or I've just missed it somewhere there?

Thank you for sharing this information with us firstly. I examined the link you threw.
It looks like a very beautiful and unique project.

Thanks for the information, that was suggested also by a previous post so seems good advice. Jump on once you know the ship is steady :)

if there is something really special about this ICO. then they don't have to pay.

It is a very cool tag line.

Thanks for the info, just joined their telegram. Seems they are active and reply to all questions.

I found it on their website just fine.

https://ico.crowdholding.com/ In the document section you should see "White paper"

I do not understand what you say for the picture, what you see and what do you mean about the image of the project, Can you explain how you can say so very sure and stop reading it, because I still do not really understand for that.

every day become more difficult to find a good projects, almost 50% are scam, and you just lose ur money. It's always risky, but sometimes it worth it.
I chose tactics - try to invest in projects from my country, where I clearly understand the idea and stages of it implementing. And very important for me is recommendations from person, who already successful in investing.

Thanks I am thinking it looks an interesting project, how many ICO's have you invested into?

Everybody said it's a great project but nobody spent the time explaining why they think so.  The idea of the project is to connect companies with people who are likely to consume the offered goods. Okay, that's a good idea to pay the consumers for improvements. It is also sort of true that the system is locked on itself, for consumers get paid for advice and then buy the goods for the money they received. However, there's no strict information about the way project will be realized and the way it works since March 2017. Furthermore, I don't understand why is a special coin needed for such a project to exist, because here there're no specific assignments for a coin.

Thank you for the response and it is interesting, but i feel that any project that is launching now would have to pay for it, there are too many and too much money floating around. You know more money mo problems.

Agree mate. I don't believe this project is more than just another hype.

Honestly, there isn't any purpose for me to join in on that ICO unless I personally knew the people managing the ICO. I will wait till it hits a popular Bitcoin exchange.

Really? You think 50% are scams?

I do agree there are a large amount of coins popping up and i don't know how this well impact the overall cryptocurrency eco-system. Thanks for the advice!

Thanks for the feedback! Always nice to hear a bunch of different opinions.

But according to the whitepaper, they don't have to buy the goods / services or invest in the company, they can simply exchange it, hence making money right? I think they have gone for a altcoin because they want a global system and it might be too complex to use fiat currencies.

I would think that probably more than fifty percent are scams, in one form or another, and another forty-nine percent will just fail for lack of continued support. Those which will succeed, will succeed because of their community support. A lot of these projects start off with quite a bit of interest at first and they slowly fade away while people's interests are focused on the newest exciting project.

Interesting, but then won't you have missed out on making a nice profit? Suppose there is a lot less risk involved.

I do agree that because of the influx of ICO's and altcoins (as it seems to be the flavour of the month) there are more and more poor projects. It does take some time to find a good one, and i believe the one i have posted is a good one. I am just looking for more confirmation on it.

I really like the concept of them, I think is a number of great ideas coming out of this altcoin. Helps both the startups and the average joe. And the fact that they have a beta before their ICO in my eyes puts them above a lot of ICO's (most ICO's just have a whitepaper and a concept).

There is no rush as they start their ICO on the 1st of November, So i would just join their telegram and ask questions on their thread to find out how transparent they are. If the first few days / week goes well, then i would think of investing into them.

Hope this helps and happy investing!

Yes i think there are all most fifty percent are scams project. it's a very bad impact to overall cryptocurrency eco-system. i hate this scam project. and recently i seen many investor didn't invest any new ICOs. because they confused for the project are real or scam.

Well what you are posting isn't even a article it's a advertisement .
Stay far away from this project.

ICO huneter, nice proffesion. But be carefull in such jungle you will meet a lot of wild(scam) ICOs. My advice for you is to not be too much gullible.
And always make very well research, check every part of ICOs from developers to community. In my opinion the best way to distinguish SCAM is to talk with others whom are interested in the same ICO as you. Team work is always usefull.

ICO is the best chance you have in making a lot of bitcoin perhaps you missed  early days of bitcoin. Look for very good ico lime spectre.ai and invest . Wait patiently for six months and you will see that the money you invested with would at least double.

This is kind of new to me. I felt like it was just a replay of all the projects on here that have an ICO. If they have an idea for the project then they should just launch it.

Judge if the team members holding the ICO are the best ones to bring it to fruition. Do they have any agreements in place? Do they have any unique business considerations that will help make them successful? Do they have a legitimate background in what they are trying to achieve?  If the answer is 'no', then just keep looking.

Thanks for the response. I think playing it safe is a good idea!

Thanks for the information, I think the most important factor is if the company actually needs an altcoin for their concept to work, although there are a lot of other important factors such as the whitepaper and the team.

It is an interesting concept and i like the design of the website, the team and the whitepaper.

The issue is with ICO's is mostly down to marketing and if people will invest. I have seen multiple ICO's which i consider to be flawed and full of holes raise millions, and i have seen ICO's that have a great ideology and team and they get very little investment.

But having articles on cointelegraph is a good sign, shows they are investing into marketing.

I would say Rivetz could take a part in this. Huge marketing, not really something good and 60k ETH for you. Minexcoin, innovative PoS system. 250 BTC.

Looks promising!

I agree, I am liking the look of this project hence why I am asking people in this community about it :)

I think ICO is a great chance for a company to open crowdsale without any permission from the government and they can easily collect funds from any kind of people around the world. People from different places can participant in  a ICO without any difficult. It will help companies to have more chance to develop and more money to build what they want and make the world better

My thoughts exactly. Just another get-rich-quick ICO money grab. One thing I've noticed: the less promotion a project engages in, the more legitimate the project is. Projects with the greatest potential don't bother with sponsored articles in zines, bonus campaigns, or tiered ICOs (i.e. get a 50% discount if you buy in the first 24 hours! type bullshittery).

I completely agree that's why i have started looking into ICO's. Although the fact that they are unregulated means you have to be extra careful who you invest in, as some people will try to abuse that system.

I think you have some valid points, i think the 50% discounts sends alarm bells as a ICO shouldn't be throwing out it's tokens that easily if they are considered valuable.

But i feel that most ICO's have to throw money at articles / advertising I think the eco-system is so cash rich right now that ICO's that don't pay for advertising will be left behind because nobody will know about their project. Although too much advertising does cover up flaws so it's finding a balance between the two.

Looks a promising project, I also think the same as you altcoins will have to spend money on marketing, I imagine that price has drastically increased in the last year as well.

I am personally looking forward to the launch of their ICO.

I have been following Crowdholding for a while and I will be investing after the first few days of their ICO. I think it's a great project with a strong team and a great white paper. They have a working beta already and are constantly stepping in the right direction.

That's kinda what i feel about the situation, must be a lot of wealthy crypto bloggers right now.

Okay so you have been following them for some time? I only found out about them through the article on cointelegraph. Nice to hear that people are looking forward to the ICO.

Isn't there already a similar type of business?

I don't believe in customer development and focus group approach

I am sure there are similar ideas. Maybe find them and post their name so i can have a look?

Can you expand on your statement? what do you not believe about customer development and focus groups as an approach?

Why is the OP still not banned yet? Quoting individual responses is not allowed. Quote all previous replies you want to respond to and section them in one post. And looking at your account, all I see are posts advertising the ico of crowdholding and link to its website, other than that, off-topic posts. And then 23 freaking posts from this thread alone. I'm pretty sure you work for the team behind the project your talking about and all this is just a cringy try hard advertisement.

Sorry I didn't know, I am still new to this forum. I won't do it again.

After looking at their website from the article it looks quite a interesting concept, and i am liking the website the white paper and the style of marketing / slogan.

I will be keeping an eye out for Crowdholding.

I checked the page provided and I don't see anything fishy but I suggest you invest into ICO that are posted on this forum because ever since bitcoin surge above  $2100 range predicted Saxo Bank there's a lot of ICO scams accusation going on.

First of all you should decide what you want to do invest in ICO or participate in airdrops and bounty's. My advice is read and lear a lot of this forum and first try airdrops and social bounty programms. It seems to be complicated but not so when you do some research about it.

Find it interesting but i am also new here and a new ICO or BOUNTY hunter so cannot say may opinion about it at this early stage because i am also doing my research about ICO.

My two satoshi...

Interesting project and interesting spin on the concept, however there is a HUGE amount of competition in this 'crowdfunding/ICO launching' space an although this project has some unique elements, nothing really 'sells' it to me over and above the others.. (See: KickICO.com already gaining decent traction)

This project, for the most part seems to have a capable and accountable team, which is great, but a big part of its success is going to be the company's ability to market the idea, create hype and get businesses on board - and in this regard their 'Marketing/Communications Team', I feel, is somewhat lacking. (No offence, but their Head of PR/Marketing/Communications was a stylist up until January this year.)

Also, the whole 'Crowdholding' idea is fantastic in theory, but will it work in practice? Businesses getting on board such a concept have the danger of having their vision/ideas diluted and losing their original direction by trying to please all their 'shareholders'. Trying to be all things to all people is not smart business. Why would a business take this route with all its potential headaches, rather than just simply doing a crowdfund and be done with it? For me that's a huge barrier to entry.

Although I do think this project has potential, its not something I'd personally invest in at the ICO stage. I'd keep an eye on it and see whether they prove themselves over the competition.

Anyways, good luck!  ;D

Crowdholding is a bad idea. Read the short write up about Crowdholding at:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2243157.80  (page 5 of thread)

Thanks for the response, thats how i feel about it. But of course nice marketing doesn't mean you should invest


Thanks, always good to see that you think this is a pretty good ICO. They have a thread on here as well. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2082561.0;all


Sounds good, I think i will get involved in a bounty with them,


Interesting response and thank you for it. I agree that they seem to have a great idea and of course there is competition. Also in regards to the head of PR, she has studied that field for over 4 years and was probably doing that as a side job to make ends meet. I agree I will see how they get on in the first few days.


Interesting read and a similar thought process to the reply above. I also noticed that they actually responded to you though further in the thread, which to me shows that they have some validity. Could have been easier to just ignore it. Just going to have to see how they do on the 1st of November. Thank you.

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money  to  support  the project! maybe  you  can  look about  postoken!
https://airdrop.postoken.org/?r=59e5715f8b

Did you read my response back to Crowdholding? If their idea is valid, then thousands of companies would be soliciting input from the shareholders for guidance to success, because it is far cheaper than doing market research. But they don't, because it's a bad idea. Crowdholding couldn't argue against this.

Yes I read your response, and I found that CH Henry responded pretty well and like I said before showed validity actually debating with you. I see the concept as a different one though, the people who would co-create wouldn't be shareholders, they co-create with that startup because they believe it is a good idea / want it to work. They would give decent advice and wouldn't sugar coat it.

Also I think this platform is aimed at startups and it is revenue sharing (according to their white paper / website but will have to see) so they are not looking for huge massive companies who make millions in profit. Instead they would use part of their marketing budget for this platform.

I guess I see it i a little different and we will just have to see what happens. But thanks for looking into them and i like your thread, it is very useful and i feel like there isn't enough debate and analysis of ICO's as people are just throwing cash into any poor idea / scam.

Another article about Crowdholding, this time from Coinspeaker. What do you think?

https://www.coinspeaker.com/2017/10/27/qa-crowdholding-platform/

That article was sponsored anyway so I would not have banked on that in the first place since almost all ICOs do that for marketing. However, it was a nice read and looking at their team though, I would not really have much to say.

It is best you do your findings diligently before investing and see how feasible the project may end up being in the market anyway at the long run. From my own angle anyway, I may not really invest unless the company comes out with a solid information why they really need a crowdfunding in the first place for a project like that.

Thanks for the response, I think that it's not a big issue that they are paying for marketing either. I think all ICO's will be shelling out money for marketing until they are successful. I will keep my eye on it and see how the first week goes.

In my own opinion smart contract is a very promising area for investing. Please read this - https://www.coinspeaker.com/2017/10/25/top-4-best-ico-platforms-managing-smart-contracts/

Confideal looks the most interesting, but Etherparty also looks good

It's intersting how so many newbies responded so quickly to this thead. Yea I won't even read that thing , I can smell it from here that something will not be ok with it in the future.

What you hinting at? fake accounts?

Firstly, this is crowdsourcing (2.0) That is, new startups involve the crowd in the process of co-creation, development and promotion and for this co-creators receive tokens (like bounty). Just blockchain and its token allows to solve a problem which in crowdsourcing could not be solved earlier, when it was legally problematic to transfer the projects shares to the early co-creators. Now instead of shares, the participants get tokens and this makes everything simpler.

BUT! I still have the main question for Crowdholding. What with ownership? If the company's shares belong only to the founders and co-creators get only tokens, then founders are a man with all apples, as on their main promo banner.

They launched today and so far they look good, got 15% of their minimum goal already and it's their first day!

https://ico.crowdholding.com

It's impressive, I am waiting to see how the first day goes but if they keep in this form looking like we are onto a winner!

Looks like it's going well for the first day, i'll wait a few days to see how it goes, but so far so good!

ICO (Initial Coin Offering). First heard it I know this is an investment that has a high risk. Or arguably an investment in a world other than the real world. Most ICOs generate ERC20-based tokens.

Yeah ICO is always have a high risk. However you can lower the risk studying it or make a research about the ICO. Thus you can decide after your research if you invest in or not.

Seems a pretty good project, There aren't any huge warning signals so it is just down to how well it is known, and if you are interested and believe in the project.

I don't see this one as a get tokens and sell them quickly to make a quick profit.

I think this is similar to cofoundit .. I wouldn't put m money in the ICO but that is my personal opinion.. especially because it is not an original idea..

I think they have some similarities, but they differ in a few ways. In regards to the percent you could be correct.

Only time will tell, I think it is a good project.

I like the look of these guys, seem to be constantly improving and starting to now network.

I also like the concept, the team and the whitepaper.

Another article about Crowdholding.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/crowdholding-crowdsourcing-market/

Thank for your sharing! This project is really nice to invest. But could you give me the link of Beta version? And I check in this website (https://icodrops.com/), but there is no information?

Interesting, it's a good thing that they are putting money into marketing. Shows they are investing and wanting to stay around, not just make a quick buck and leave.

Looks an interesting project, I'll keep an eye out on them and see what happens.

Thanks for bringing them to my attention.

Crowdholding has just posted a task on their platform. You simply state what ICO you like and why and you receive their coin! Sign up for free (10 seconds), comment and get YUPIES!

https://www.crowdholding.com/project/68/task/283/this-is-our-first-24-hour-task (The task)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2082561.new#new (The thread of Crowdholding's ICO)

Interesting, I will comment to get some yupies!

Seems like these guys are putting effort into marketing and they look very solid from all aspects.

Keep an eye on them, I think they will go big.

https://ico.crowdholding.com ) if anyone needs the website)

Another article about Crowdholding.

http://www.newsbtc.com/2017/11/10/rethinking-innovation-crowdfunding-innovators-come-together/

Thanks for the article, will have a read!

Thank for your sharing, I am looking for a good project to invest. I think this project is quite potential to consider.

I dont sure,I read that if you find their on the conferences like this https://blockshowasia.com/ or on the sponsors side you can trust this ICo

I really like the concept of co-creation due to technological advancements. Can only see these guys getting bigger and bigger.