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This is my first thread on this section, so here is the issue. I just caught someone using Modex's signature design (was created by me) for their own project by just changing some part and color.

His profile link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1165048
You can find my sig design on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2197668.0
His bounty thread http://archive.is/RCbdR

Please tell me wrong if you think both of them dont look similar, but from what I see, they look alike.

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I asked about this to him on the bounty thread;

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He didnt respond my post, so I posted my complain on his ANN, but look his reply;

Silly? Wth ::)

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He even accused me having alt accounts ::)

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Well even tho I dont like plagiarism, I actually didnt want to take this issue to here. But his replies are so annoying, not sure how can a manager handle this issue like that. It's okay if he just copied some small parts, but his design really looks same with mine. Well if you take a look at his bounty thread closer (http://archive.is/RCbdR), he even also copied the thread content from Modex's (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2197668.0) and just made small changes.


Why takes me few days to post this? Well I had to make sure if he has some connection with Modex's team thru their bounty manager, and they said they dont know this guy.

Minus the symbol on the left, and the change of color, it looks like a 1:1 copy of your design. Therefore, it is obviously stolen.

Yeah I guess he was too lazy to create his project logo on sig design. What I cant understand is he doesnt admit his mistake.

Judging by the looks it, its definitely stolen we should try to be more careful with these kind of agenda man they are very delicate and cause potential harm in the bitcoin community and environment.

The design is exactly the same, he just made some minor changes in it. I wonder what kind of a project it is where the manager doesn't even have a way of talking and the devs can't even afford to hire a signature designer to design the signatures of their campaign.

Look he just messaged me;

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob497f9db5fb06c133.png



He blackmailed me and saying I blackmailing him. Well, I didnt discuss this issue with him in private message, but instead I did that openly on his thread so people can decide if he is plagiarizing my design or not. I told him that I wont process this issue further because he said he knows Modex team personally. But they confirming that they dont know this guy so I can take serious action. He just showing another unprofessional behaviour by blackmailing me instead of admitting his mistake and apologize to me ::) If you think signature design is just a small and not important thing so you dont respect the designers and their design, then this forum is not for you.


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Btw, thank you guys for your support, it means a lot for me and this forum itself :) God bless you all!

What a fucking joke. Working with/for someone like that is almost as bad as doing what he/she did to you. Are there any more "team" accounts that are related to that project? They should be tagged as well. Maybe even the participants of the bounty/campaign.

It is clear that they don't wanted to spend a penny on signatures and on this forum. They are miser which their domain without ssl shows. I never saw any legit ICO without SSL, When the data being send on website is not secured then how come the smart contract be? Leave to talk about funds then.

I will suggest anyone investing in their ICO to take care of their funds and don't send a penny to them, I consider any money sent to them as a donation.

I commented in their thread and this is what i hear
 

And to me he says that his project runs on smart contract not on website, but how make him understand that if he don't secure the website then someone can change the crowdsale address and fool investors to deposit somewhere else.


I will suggest other Default members to comment in his thread and warn people not to invest as i see that if they cannot afford ssl they probably cant handle money, and this group does not seems like traders they seems like gamblers, just see the way they responds looks like poker player or speculator from sofascore chat.

You really are an idiot, we did not try to blackmail you and I do not think you understand what blackmail is.  You do the same thing over and over again to different projects, it is ridiculous.  Also, you clearly are incredibly unprofessional, a simple message asking if we had stolen it would have sorted all of this out.  

There are several posts where you threaten to do this to other people.   You have no positive input on this forum.  You also only seem to visit the forum every couple of weeks, so either you have no positive input whatsoever and it is rare, or you are posting on several accounts.  I think the latter is most likely.

I know the Modex CEO, Mihai, personally from Monaco, we even speak on Whatsapp and I was even asked by him if I wanted to be an advisor to the Modex Tech project but I simply had too much going on with Alttradex.  I am not sure how asking some random guy they have never met who is running a bounty for them on a forum is going to get you the right answer.  You really are special.

I respect designers, but this is a forum signature and ours are not identical.  There is only so much you can do with the space as well.  If you think anyone else who runs a project gives a crap about your signature designs you need your head checking.

This has all got ridiculous and now you have got a bunch of morons who have not got a clue joining in.  It is ridiculous and people like you are the cancer of forums like this.

Stop making assumptions.  Our website is safe and SSL has nothing to do with whether people can get into the back end and change things. 

And stop getting involved in something which has nothing to do with you at all. 

"This group does not seems likes traders they seems like gamblers" You can't even write a proper sentence in English.  How about doing some research on us instead of trying to smear our names without any founding?

Get a fucking life Lauda, this has nothing to do with you. 

Why the hell would you start tagging bounty participants who have nothing to do with this?  It just shows how much of a piece of shit you are.

Go and ruin someone else's campaign or just go back to your mother's basement and keep quiet.

It really is a joke how little scumbags like these who don't want to do any real work so rely on Bounty campaigns on this forum are able to have such a negative impact.

Might as well remove the word "Professional" from your signature codes at this point. You used his pre-made sig code as a template to make your own, without giving credit or compensation to OP and are now lashing out on anyone who wants to discuss it.

As you can clearly tell above, noone is discussing it they are just making accusations.

On top of that they are not identical, they are similar.  This would not be considered plagiarism on a real publication, let alone in a signature on a forum.

Thanks for your input, or lack thereof.

Alttradex, the behavior, and the language you are using is not one I would expect an ico company to be using. Instead of trying to make up for what you have obviously done wrong, or even arguing this in a diplomatic form, you've resorted to immature and childish insults.

Do you think calling someone an idiot, and special is going to help your case?

Instead of just making claims, why don't you back this up? Screenshots of convos or get Mihai to post here himself.

More beautiful language here.

If that's a simple message, cant you just say yes or no instead of avoiding it? That's you called as professional?

Threaten? The previous projects I asked before didnt feel threaten by my post, instead they responded my post very well so we could sort the issue out together. And you think I just online to make post? Damn why you so dumb. Should I show you my personal message history to look how active I'm here everyday?

If he can clarify this issue, then why not?

No, you dont respect them. And you still dont admit your mistake!

More you talk, makes you looks dumber. This is my last call. If you admit your mistake and apologize, I will lock this thread and change my trust rating on you. But I think you dont want to do that since you are stubborn.

One can easily see the "difference" between the two, a Modex logo cut here and some color changes there and voila! You apparently have a new signature code on your hands

To view them side by side: https://www.diffchecker.com/XQYPzKd9

Look he just blackmailed me again ::)

Atriz, I do not think you have even been following this from the beginning.  This was all supposedly sorted 5 days ago then Jayce decides to go ahead and do this.  It is disgraceful behaviour on his part.

As for my use of bad language, as you can imagine I am pretty pissed off when 10 months of hard work gets put on the line because someone comes out making brash accusations without even speaking to us first.

Mihai asking me back in September if I would be an advisor:

https://image.ibb.co/cGO2xb/photo5771769798068382336.jpg

Proof this is him, a message inviting me to their upcoming event:

https://image.ibb.co/cQxvHb/photo5771769798068382337.jpg

Quoted for reference of your "professionalism". Yes, it is very likely that I shall tag all participants who work with scammers.

Let me make it clear for you. You work, develop, and bla bla on your project for 10 months, even asked to be an advisor, but you cant afford to create your own design? Is that kind of joke?

Seems I have to change my question. DID you TAKE my design, EDIT and CHANGE SOME SMALL PARTS on that for your own project? YES or NO? If you admit that, I'll lock this thread. That's all. Another bullshit wont help you.

What does that phrase means [written in Italics] , I find this Frequent here, Maybe You are Kralle or isoneguy.

@Jacee i thought you would jump on him but you seems more defensive on him i guess you still thinking to settle this but this dude has just crossed all limits, he barks and barks, no text from his keyboard seems like a responsible ICO manager . I guess Kralle has started doing ICO now, but wait is he turkish?

Thank you very much for supporting me, pinkman12345! Yeah, his behavior doesnt reflect what a manager should be. Tbh I dont want to take down some project, and the only purpose why I opened this thread is to make him admits his mistakes and apologizes. But seems that not going to happen.

Yes, we did use bits of your design to create our signature campaign but we changed them so that they would not be identical.  A lot of signatures look similar and we figured that was due to people doing exactly that.  There is nothing wrong with taking inspiration from designs, in fact big companies do it all of the time.  This is simply how things work.

If you do not like that, fair enough.  But to go as far as putting down our project, giving us negative trust and questioning the ICO's legitimacy is absurd.

You are in no position to question our professionalism.  If you had reached out to us before causing a scene on both of our threads and then here, we probably would have offered to compensate you or even changed the signatures (despite the fact this would not be considered plagiarism in any court of law).  Instead you took it way too far.

Perhaps I should reach out to Mihai and point out the lack of professionalism of those involved in running his bounty campaign?  And highlight the reputational risk of letting such people work on the Modex bounty campaign? 

I am not an ICO manager but the founder of Alttradex.  My reaction is simply the reaction of someone who has put huge amounts of time and money into Alttradex only for a bunch of muppets on a forum to try to tarnish our reputation.  This is not just about me but about everyone who works/has worked for Alttradex and who is committed to delivering the best cryptocurrency trading experience possible to the community.

For all of this to happen over a signature which is not even identical is farcical.  The fact you would even behave the way you have about this just shows how different our cultures are and highlights your lack of intelligence.  Moreover, your inability to comprehend the consequences of your pitiful actions is baffling.


 

Taking someone else's code != "taking inspiration from designs". You've stolen it. End of story.

Sounds like a threat. You're definitely going in the right direction. ::)

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The rest of the post is garbage or ad hominem.

BITS? Taking inspiration?

Because it's MY DESIGN!

Compensate? Based on your first response to my complain, that's a totally bullshit.

You blaming other people because of your unprofessionalism? Really an arrogant person.

And my reaction is simply the reaction of someone who has put huge amounts of time on the sig design only for an unprofessional "FOUNDER" that trying to plagiarize my design but he doesnt admit that. This is not just about me but about every designer here who works by spending his precious time to deliver the best design to the clients.

I planned to end this issue by locking this thread after you admit and apologize, but you think I'm pitiful? Yes, our cultures are different. I dont see any consequences about what I've done, so by this way there wont be any plagiarizing in future and you will respect other people work.

What so ever? How much time you have put to make your smart contract?? I think 5 minutes, yes the code of your smart contract is Just the copy of FirstBlood (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/firstblood/), If you want i can prove this But again don't call it as Inspiration. if there was a solid solidity developer with you then he must have at least changed variables and comments. copying the smart contract has made me believe what pack of wolves you got.
Anyways i am sure this community don't want to tarnish your project, Pay Jacee a small bounty which she deserves and apologize for your ruthless comments from Lauda. I am sure you get rid from all negative feedback(may be neutral) that you have and i will personally code a new smart contract for you from scratch for free( if you need).

Its a fucking signature, get over it.

You were clearly after compensation, now you are trying to act all innocent. 

You are not a "designer", you are a sad loser who can't be bothered to get a real job so you sit at home making signatures on a forum.  Get real.

I do think you are pitiful, you are a nasty piece of work and simply after people's money.  People like you are the reason countries like yours are still such shit holes.

You are pathetic.

Our smart contract is not copied from anyone so your credibility just went down the drain.   

And fuck you, fuck Jayce and fuck Lauda.  Neither of you are getting a penny. You are sad losers that need to get real jobs and leave people who actually are really contributing to the cryptocurrency space alone.  Get real fucking lives.  I bet you don't all act so big when your not behind your computer screens.

It is about time people were able to see all the negative trust Lauda receives, which is hidden.  This whole trust system is so biased and people deserve to know that those doing all of the accusing are those with the worst trust of all.

Yawn.

Thank you for showing us your dumbness and childish behaviour one more time, "our professional founder". A thief like you talking about pitiful, real job and after people's money? A thief is a thief, and he will say anything to cover his nasty action.

And please note, the only thing I need is your apology, not your fucking money. Dont be so arrogant.

The ICO founder is going Bizzaree... now, I rest my case i can't speak shit like he speaks, now he openly fails to obey the rules of forum and is using the language that here mother has taught to speak at his father.
Ohh Yeah your team is a crook.

For the thing that clearly signifies that the smart contract is nothing but a copy of FirstBlood.


Users check this line
Your Smart Contract source: https://gist.github.com/alioha/30de665a73f685f2ea816d56522c9e64

I leave rest to the community. This code is 100% copy paste.

I am sure this project was made to scam people, there is person with name James Fogden , at least no real shit.
I am happy on this ground that this scam project has spend 1200$ plus on news and press release which is going to waste.

You still have time, Say sorry to members( lauda and etc..) here whom you have abused and pay to Jaycee as she puts considerable time to design signature codes and don't takes things for granted.

It's okay pinkman12345, I dont want to get his money nor his bullshit, but only his apology. That's all.

I will put my hands up to that and say I was not aware we used part of the First Blood code, Aleksej did all of the work on it.  Either way, I believe it is open sourced and there is no issue with using it.

This project, however, is not at all made to scam people, if you simply did your research you would know that is not the case.  Its a disgrace little shits like your little group are able to tarnish ICOs with your abuse of the trust system

As for apologising to you or Lauda, not a fucking chance.  You are like cancer.  Jayce perhaps.

Listen, we apologise for using your signature as a basis for our signature campaign.  It was perhaps wrong to you but, in all honesty, we still do not see it that way.

Also the way you handled it and what you have done as a result is shameful.  You, Lauda, etc are dirty crooks, Lauda the dirtiest of them all.

Good luck in your signature making career.

Looks like this thread is a perfect tea time show. The ceo seems to talk like logan Paul.
I belive that if Jayce has pmed the ceo about the issue then he could had solve the problem and would had rewarded also.
But @CEO you are too wild to be a CEO? Why so rough? All ok?

Only thing which is shameful here - it's your behaviour. Stoling signature design, rough language used here and after everything you calling others as a dirty crooks. It's not best way to represent your project :/

Rewarded? I complained him about what he has done and he didn't admit his mistake, even said I'm silly and accused me having multiple accounts. Do you think he will reward me after saying that?

Wrong to me? So you dont feel guilty after stealing other people's work? Well, I should appreciate your apology. But why dont you change your signatures? I dont need your money, so change the signatures now.

Yeah career. My co-workers are just laughing at you.

Neg added.

This guy is a joke of a businessman--extremely childish, entitled, and unprofessional.   That's all I'll add, because I know he'll never have enough insight to see it.

I've discussed this situation with others, particularly cryptodevil as he's known for posting warnings on projects before tagging people (which is definitely not something that I tend to do often). Following this input, I've decided to post a warning and start tagging people involved in this project. This warning can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2207351.msg24278006#msg24278006.

The very least that he could do, given that he is blatantly guilty of stealing both the thread design and signature design, is not attack nor insult others for exposing him.

https://i.imgur.com/hV7hbbE.gif

What the hell is your problem?

You really are a nasty piece of shit.  I can only recommend for people to look at her trust and click on "Untrusted Feedback".  It is full to the brim of bad feedback but it is hidden because of her status on the forum.  Do not trust this person or listen to a thing she says.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872

Too late Jayce.

If you really can't see the problem, you are either very delusional or wanted to run a scam that got indirectly busted.

Do you need some baby wipes with that?

I love how you edited this and removed the part where you stated you're going to get Sylon fired. A second too fast for me to archive, a second too slow for me not to see it. ::)

Lauda,

What have I done wrong.
That is not fair man! I always fallowed the rules.

You can not give a negative trust just because that someone joined a signature bounty program.

If you have a problem with the dev of alttradex please take it with him, don't involve me in something that you have with someone else.

This is not fair!

I invested in this token (alttradex).
I just joined his signature bounty.

What have I done to deserve the negative feedback?

Of course I can. You're supporting and helping promote the (likely scam) project of a thief. Therefore, you're an accomplice. I've posted a warning to anyone who wants to become their accomplice.

Stop wearing stolen signature code and then we might talk. Also, stop spamming everywhere because you're a bamboozled bounty spammer that can't comprehend a single post. ::)

You've answered your own question.

Lauda, you can't call our project a scam.  Call it anything you want, but it is not a scam.

You really are scum of the earth.

Are you James Fogden or one of the other "team members"?

Lauda,

Please don't make me the collateral victim in your war with alttradex
Please take it one him/her/them.

I'm on a signature bounty program.

I always follow the rules, and you just bully ppl on doing your way just because you outrank them
Just because you outrank me, it doesn't give you any rights to put -1 trust on me.

We never traded anything, we haven't talk until now, I don't know you, you don't know me.

Please remove -1 trust on me.
Please talk with alttradex about your problem with him.

It's not fair!!

You are wearing not paid for and stolen signatures from jayce. Alttradex stole those signatures and if you do not remove it, it is highly unlikely that neg will ever leave.

You are wearing not paid for and stolen signatures from jayce. Alttradex stole those signatures and if you do not remove it, it is highly unlikely that neg will ever leave.
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Can I modify it so that it will not be stolen?

This how bully works, you realize that don't you?

This is totally unfair!

Bullying would be tagging you without:
a) A warning (maybe; debatable)
b) Not giving you an option to get out of the warning.
c) Other kind of mean statements/actions(?).

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Both things a and b were done. You've also started breaking the forum rules and spamming left and right.

You are a disgrace. People are getting bullied all across the world and you are calling a warranted negative rating bullying?

Here is the definition of bullying

What is Lauda forcing you to do? Removing the signature should already have been done since it is a copied design.

The problem involves you now, since you are wearing a stolen sig design.

Lauda,

You are a BULLY! You are the definition of BULLY!!
You are not a fair person!

It doesn't mater what your rank is, you just are not the person that you think you are.

Pick on someone your size.

Do what you have to do!
I will not allow you BULLYING ME.
I will not delete any of my posts.
I will not change the signature until the dev of alttradex will have another signature for his signature bounty program.

You behave like a spoiled kid.

That's all I have to say about your -1 on trust (the rest of what I could say it might suspend my account)
Have a chill life kid.

Throwing tamper tantrums and calling me a kid. Quite ironic, no?

Alttradex,

Please modify the signature so that everyone move on from this, and please let me know if you'll do.
If you don't that's that, I will continue having your signature, just because I will not allow anyone to tell me/bully me on what to do, when I know that I haven't done anything wrong. (it's just a signature)

But, if you will change it, please let me know.
I really believe in your project and I think that it will be a real success.

Thank you

Lauda,

You and I have nothing else to discuss.
I don't think that this how Legendary ranked member should behave.

If you will remove that -1 rank, I thank you in advance.
If not, have a nice life!

Lol, you are supporting a thief mate! What part of stealing someones property you don't get? Also Stop Spamming this thread already!

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jayce, you should lock this thread and start a self moderated one.

It is quite embarrassing to see how this thread has turned itself to a bully topic , I can't stop laughing how stern people are there in this scam trading project.
I think the signature participants is itself the CEO,just see his language.

Lauda,
We'll talk face to face :)

@Altradex see, this is how retarded you truly are. You leave me negative trust saying: "leaves negative trust, possible alt because email changed" Could you please tell me where exactly I left negative trust to you or your alt Accounts? Just pathetic..

Wow, incredible. Your email changed but your password didn't. ::)
It's obvious that the hacker is a genius and wants to use your account undetected! /s

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How do you plan on doing that when you're still in middle school?

That's exactly what Alttradex should do, and you should be paid by him IMO, right now.  

I was in a similar situation when Cryptodevil started saying he was going to start negging people wearing the Enjin signature, while he started up a scam accusation against Enjin.  He didn't prove anything, but I was spooked enough such that I ditched the signature (after I got paid, true, but the accusation was just that at the time).

You're wearing stolen code, and you won't stop.  That's why you got the negative.  It sucks that Alltradex is immature and doesn't realize his mistake, but you're required to do the right thing too--regardless of whether you're in the middle of something or not.

Edit: Joel_Jantsen just went through this.  The devs copied some code and J_J did the right thing:  He put the kabosh on the campaign, locked the thread, and came back when the devs got a new signature written.  That's exactly what this knucklehead ought to do.

So,
Is this signature still owned by anyone?

To be honest I feel like you are a lost cause. When do you not understand that you HAVE to remove the signature? Just because you modify it doesn't mean jack sh**. As far as we know, it may be a scam project and if you remove it for a few days, I'm sure it won't have more negative effects on you as much as you have already received.

You get negative trust for falsely accusing us of being a scam project when nothing at all points towards it being a scam.  On top of that, you decide to give us negative trust when you really have nothing to do with any of this.  Just a sad loser jumping on the bandwagon thinking you will earn points with idiots like Lauda and the rest.

He does not HAVE to remove anything.  Also you are either blind or stupid because ElPedras has already modified his signature in good faith.  He did not HAVE to but your bullying forced his hand, which is despicable on all of your parts given he has nothing to do with this situation.

On a final note, we are not changing the signatures.

Look man, I thought that this is about the signature structure, which I don't understand how a signature structure can be owned by anyone - if there is this rule, please send a link to all the signatures owned by anyone so I could do something to the signature not to look as the same as anyone else's.

This is a legit a project project in my opinion, and I want to be a part of it by promoting them in my signature - which I will change it so it will look different and still promote Alttradex. If you have a different opinion about their project that's yours, and I would like to thank you for your concern, but I'm ok. If I would take advice from everyone not to promote, invest, and talk about any token or cryptocoin because is a scam, believe me I would never invest, promote and talk about any of the tokens and cryptocoins that are out there, because everyone one of them was called at some point a scam.

If my negative trust is still about the signature structure, please send a link so I could see all the signature structures, and I will modify it in such a way that it will not look as any of them, or tell me what to do with it not to look "identical" with the owned one. (Don't say delete - read above)

Now this a example so you could understand how things work in the real world, if you own color ferrari red which is: #ff2800 and if I want to use #ff2800 I have to ask you for permission, and if you say no I won't use it but if I have color #ff2802 that is no more ferrari red, it's another color that you don't own. That's how pattern work in real life. In this case I really don't think that Alttradex (if he used other person's signature), is identical with the other one. I really really really can not believe that. It has  another color or something, it has many more letters, is has a different content, it has different structure, then it's another structure for signature then his has to be allowed to use it.

But for the sake of my mind, please tell me if this signature that I use now has a different structure then before, and if it does please remove the negative trust, because I did what you asked, and if it's still same structure, please send me a link where I could find owned signatures and  I will try to have one that is not similar in any way with another one from your list.

Thank you

He edited my design, not created the new one. If he made the new signature himself, then the possibility his design will look identical with the others is very low.

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Tbh I didnt care if his project is legit or not, but his own unprofessional and childish action when handling a complain made people here investigated his project and pinkman12345 brought us a solid proof (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2367257.msg24246444#msg24246444).

Look at his response before pinkman12345 showed the proof:


And his excuse after the proof;


I guess you have invested some amount of money on this project, and well, if you still believe in him, it's okay. You take your own risk. People here just trying to prevent any scam on this forum. But please note my main purpose opening this thread is the signature design, not to prove if his design is scam or not. If he handled this issue with a professional way from the beginning, then nobody will suspect his project.

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By just changing the position? You should create the new one.

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He uses my design by modifying it little, and he didnt ask permission. He doesnt understand how things work in real life right?

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Different structure? He just removed some part, changed the words and colors. Have you checked the code yourself?

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If you want a different structure, just create the new one.

Please send me a link to the rule that I broke to deserve the negative trust.

I really have to see I didn't respect that rule, because if I did, I promise you I will not say anything again. But if that rule exists then it has to be another rule about the usage of signature, then you'll have to give me 2 links, first with the rule that I have broke by having the signature, and the rule that this signature is yours, and no one is allowed to use it.

I tend to repeat myself, but if I messed up any of these rules I'm really sorry, and I will do what is necessary to modify the signature.

If there is no such rules and you just invent them as you go, because it's in your interest, and you have the power, and no one can do anything about it, then... it's like I said before: this is a abusive action from Lauda, and I the OPs should see that this is a invention and remove my negative trust.

OPs you are here to make sure that everyone respects the rules of this forum. PLEASE show me the rule that I'm not allowed to have this signature, and show me all the other signatures that I'm not allowed to have.

Thanks

I have explained everything on my post above, and I dont give you negative trust. Look, you have stated yourself:


You know that if you want to use other people's work, then you have to ask for permission, thats how things work in the real world right? And now, this guy doesnt do that. So you basically just ask me to show which rule that supports your own words?

He doesn't even know the basic difference between the trust system and the forum rules, yet he keeps playing the "I know what abuse is" card. Therefore, you're just wasting your time with him. Just put him on ignore.

You know that if you want to use other people's work, then you have to ask for permission, thats how things work in the real world right? And now, this guy doesnt do that. So you basically just ask me to show which rule that supports your own words?
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You understood the wrong thing from my example:
In my example your signature was color #ff2800 and what I have now it's #ff2802 It has something from your signature (I never saw it), but it has all different characteristics and that makes it unique.
Example: You can not expect that if you are typing "XJY" to your signature and if I'm typing "JXY.w" to my signature, you can not say that it's still yours just because it has the same 3 letters in different order.
Another example, if you invent scratching your back with right hand, and I use the left hand to do it, both actions have the same result, but it's not your invention because I use it differently then you have used it.
I don't know how many examples I can give you to make you understand that maybe it has some of your design (again, I never saw your signature), but I'm sure that it has some different futures, so it's unique.




As a OP you can not pick sides. As a OP you give negative trust to those who you worked with, not other ppl. You are confusing being a member and being OP. If you want to be OP do your thing as OP, but don't use the same user for member and OP because you are bending the rules in your favor. And that's why it's a abusive action.
When you talk about trust system of this forum there is a big difference between a negative trust that someone from the community gave you, that you had business with, and there is another thing when a OP is giving you a negative trust, when you didn't had any connection with that OP. Like in my case.
I partially understand the negatives for Alttradex, it's your opinion - you had interactions with him, it's kind of he said, she said... but when it comes to me, there is a big difference I just participate in a Signature Bounty.

If a whatever member of this forum gave me a negative trust, well that is his opinion, and if I screwed him over (which I never I will) I would deserve it, but when a OP gives you a negative trust, everyone will understand that I had business with you, which I didn't, and for sure I will never have. (you have the tendency to bend the rules in your favor, and I don't trust you)

So if you take Nike's logo and change its color, then the logo will be yours? Well Lauda is right, discussing it with you is really wasting my time.

The guy who runs trading project is a scammer kralle.

If you take Nike logo cut it in 3 and from those 3 pieces you a new form with new color and add something that's yours, yes it's yours.

Mate, let me make myself clear: I'm here not to defend Alttradex, I'm just saying what I think about this signature debate.
I'm here because I got negative trust for using a signature, and if I delete the signature, I will not be paid, if I will be paid I have this negative trust.

I'm collateral in others war.

I just want just to have removed the negative trust, and I'm doing all that I can to do so.

Where did I do this?????


I have a right to my own opinion, and when it comes morals, I would agree and trust Lauda. It's not a basis of jumping on the bandwagon. What you are saying is that everyone who disagrees with you is only doing that because they just want to be on Lauda's side? Sad....

And now you won't change the signatures at all, how very professional..

This is essentially what you're doing:

http://graph-iq.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mike3.png

I will not, so stop spamming about this everywhere already.

Hold on, you haven't made it another colour. Then it's not good in this case....

You are a moron.  If he cut it in 3 pieces and changes the colour and words then yes, it is his.  Maybe if you left the house one day and interacted with the real world you would understand.

It is jumping on the bandwagon, funnily enough everywhere Lauda is so are you...

No we will not change a thing.

Well, of course, where else would I be? Lauda is where I am, I am where Lauda is......

So you are saying I got the negative trust because I jumped on the 'bandwagon?' You have a lot to learn then...


And you are a legitimate, professional project?

Even on the weekend, you still like this? Get a life mate. Go date someone.

Yes, you jumped on the bandwagon putting our ICO down when we have done nothing wrong.

We are legitimate and we have done nothing wrong, maybe if you spend time off the forum in the real world one day you will realise this.

Until then, good luck in your bounty campaign managing career.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/51/51fbae9301360173d3834809fd9fdc70b7362db3f17937d69865ce688e08e7f1.jpg

@Lauda, @Jayce, did I really do this?  ???

You know, when I go down to the regional airport of sydney for a day if flying in my PA-28, I would have to say that I am in the "real" world. Try it out yourself.


Well, I am flattered. I strive to be the best I can be.

Lauda, this type of behavior is inadmissible!

You don't get a piece cake from Alttradex so you are destroying a his busyness and other members credibility!

YOU ARE A EXTORTIONIST!

If right in this moment Alttradex will agree to pay you, I'm sure that all of this will be forgotten.

YOU DON'T GET PAID FROM OTHER MEMBERS JUST BECAUSE YOU HIGH RANKED!!!

YOU ARE ABUSING YOUR POWER!!! YOU ARE DESTROYING A BUSYNESS AND OTHER MEMBERS CREDIBILITY JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET PAID!

Lauda, you are the definition of bully and extortionist!!!!!
If you want bribe YOU are in the wrong busyness!!!!

What type of behavior?

lol.
As if Lauda would all of the sudden jump up and say, "yep, this Alttradex guy seems pretty legitimate now."

Mate, do you even know what we are talking about in this thread?
Please read it from top to bottom and also have a look at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2207351.msg24278006#msg24278006 and you will see that Lauda is blocking a ICO because Alttradex doesn't do what ever Lauda want's him to do! And also Lauda gave me and other members negative trust just because we support Alttradex. Please read, inform yourself and them comment.

I'M SURE THAT IF ALTTRADEX WILL PAY LAUDA, THIS WILL BE FORGOTTEN!
THIS IS ABUSIVE!
LAUDA IS A EXTORTIONIST WHO PROFITS OF HIS POWER!!!


Thank you!

There are 2 things you can be:

1. An alt of Lauda's best "friend", QS.

or

2. Just retarded in plain speaking (I mean no offence to those suffering from a mental disability.) Continue on with your rambling and see the effects it has!


LOL, maybe Lauda will remove the negative trust on all the bought accounts  :D

You sure seem to make a look of valid conclusions./s Let's take a look at some of the times when users actually attempted to pay. ::)

https://i.imgur.com/EW7Jaax.png
https://i.imgur.com/Y0nloks.png
https://i.imgur.com/b2xvgUM.png

If you can't legitimately beat someone's argument or get them to back off of your shady actions, then attack them via shills. Classic QS.

Lauda, I know by now that you are stupid enough to think that I saw that and said to myself "Hey let's bring that up and see how it goes", but I don't know where that is? I don't know what that is?

For me you are still a extortionist who is abusing his power for gaining money or other services!!!

HOW COME A PERSON LIKE YOU HAS SUCH A RESPECTFUL POSITION ON BITCOINTALK????

All you have done by now is abusing your power and giving me a negative trust, and did all that you could to stop Alttradex!!!

What is in for you from all of this? What do you earn from this mess?

Why do good people do good? Does everyone have an ulterior motive? Why does anyone do anything? There are just some of the mysteries of life..

https://i.imgur.com/hV7hbbE.gif

I think you care suspiciously too much about ALTTRADEX and their ICO.... No-other participant is reciprocating in the same way as you...


Is this another meme oncoming I see?  :D The cat looks cute enough anyways!

Again misleading!!!

YOUR DISGUST ME!!!
You abusively gave me a negative trust!!! Remove that! We never traded anything, we never talked before, and I got negative trust from you! You are abusing the trust system!


I really care about my "trust"!!! Lauda gave me for no reason a negative trust!!!
Remove that and continue your battle with Alttradex!
I'm collateral victim and this Lauda is abusing the trust system!!!

*sigh*

1. You were initially warned by Lauda to remove the signature.
2. You were warned by Lauda once more.
3. You were told by myself on multiple occasions to remove the signature.
4. Lauda once more told you.
5. You still have it..... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I HATE BULLIES!!!
And for me Lauda is the definition of BULLY!!!!
He wants me to stop participating in Alttradex signature bounty because it's claimed by someone else.
YOU WILL NOT BULLY ME ON DOING ANYTHING!!! I will do anything that I want as long as I respect the rules of bitcointalk! And I always fallow the rules!!!

Yeah because you want what's best for me right?
I didn't broke any of the rules. If there was a rule that stated that I'm not allowed to have such a signature structure I would have it!

For me this is "he said, she said" conversation! In which Lauda has the power abusing the trust system!
That system is for those who traded something, not for giving negative trust on basis of "presuming something".

When we'll trade something please give me a trust + or -, but until then it's abusive to give someone negative trust

Who even is their manager? Please don't tell me its Alttradex himself. :-\  I am sure that if it is a reputable/proper manager, he or she would understand the concerns raised and will allow you to remove your signature for a few days to protect yourself from this exact situation.....


Well, then why the fuck would I want you to remove your signature? Still, it seems that the signature holds greater value to you than getting negative trust. A sane man would have immediately removed the signature after seeing the red trust on their profile and would have contacted Lauda for an appeal. Yet, still nothing...


FYI: You need to understand the difference between Forum Rules and the Trust system. They are 2 completely different things.

I don't know who is their manager, and I really don't care, I really don't (you have your way on supporting some ICO projects, I have my own)
I'd like to make a deal: If this exchange/market will go live and he will do everything that he promised to do, Lauda will remove that negative trust, and if I will get screwed, I will lose money and obviously I will delete this account and never support any of this type of projects.
How's this?


Again: I HATE BULLIES!!! I never done anything that I was bullied on doing, and I never will. And this as I said before is Bullying!!!! IS THE DEFINITION OF BULLYING!!!
If you are that kind of person that is doing what every Bully is telling you to do, and you do it... well that's you. Don't expect that if you would do something, someone else would do the same.



Yeah, I learned that you can f**k anyone by giving negative trust with no repercussion!
If bitcointalk was a app this would be a BIG BUG!!

https://i.imgur.com/Uv3KGgs.png
OH MY GOD ELPEDRAS STOP!!! YOU'RE ABUSING THEM!!!!!!!! YOU ARE A BULLY!!!!!!1111oneone >:(

The last one was unintended for that guy :) Thank you for showing me. Just removed the last negative trust.
But Lauda deserved it and it deserve much more! (for me Lauda is a "it" not a he/she)

You don't see a problem with these two quotes?

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Oh, I see. It's only abusive when it's not you.

I deleted the unintended negative trust that I gave to the last person. Lauda deserves every piece of it!


When I make a mistake I always make it right after I see it, and I made it right as you can see.

I really don't have anything to say no more.
I'm sure that anything that you want to ask me or talk with me is written above, just read the thread...

I got tired of this stupid conversation.

THIS IS MY LAST POST ON THIS THREAD

I learned a valuable lesson with this experience.

Trust system is a stupid system, and it's stupid because it's in stupid peoples hands like in Lauda s hands.

If a DT (Lauda) gives you a negative trust, that's that, you can not do anything about it, just obey or have negative trust for ever. There is no one above DT. There are no rules for DT. All of this leads to abusive negative trust for normal user like myself.

I'm not a scammer, never was and never will be. I don't support scammers, and I always fallow the rules.
In this case it seams that all of this is not enough.

Anyway... Have a great one!

Time and time again, you have shown that you do not understand the system. You are wrong.

Lauda is DT2. There are DT1 users. They are above Lauda. They can exclude Lauda from the DefaultTrust list.
There are rules for DefaultTrust. You have to be trusted by one a user in DT(n-1) to be included in DT(n). You can be excluded with two DT(n-1) exclusions.

Theymos chooses DT1 users. If you have a problem with Lauda, take it up with DT1 users.

lauda.
please to erase untrust on me, i'm just follow a bounty campaign. i don't know ehat's your problem. i never make mistake to you even i don't know you. take care your problem by your self, don't to me. do u understand????

You are an accomplice to theft. That is your problem, not mine.

How can we know who thief and who not? I did not read all thread and did not see your warning. I found out about this problem only after got negative trust.

If you dont read Lauda's mind before participating on the forum, you are both a liar and a cheater and deserve negative trust. This is Bitcointalk policy. Welcome to Bitcointalk.

What steps have you taken to remedy your involvement in it since you've found about it?

This Issue is Similar to Sir Atriz. There is A Campaign Manager Who copied His Design And Format of Campaign, But, The Great Thing is That, The Person Who copied The Format of Sir Atriz ask For An Apology Since He Was a Beginner of Handling campaigns, But You, Alttradex Keep on Complaining Things, and Not Watching Your Words. How can You say That is Is Just similar? Do you Intend to Say That it Was Just A Coincidence? DT members have The Right Because They Are Our Superior Here.

Campaign Managers accept Their mistake so That They Are Corrected and That's how They Show Their Professionalism Instead of Complaining Things That has Not been Done When It is Already Visible.

I deleted my post from thread, which is the subject of a dispute. That's all I can do in this situation.

Good. I'd like to point out that you should not: a) Try to join that bounty again. b) Knowingly become an accomplice to theft or other shady actions (even though this time it is unknowingly). As per cryptodevil's advice, repeated offenders will be left with a negative mark while seemingly innocent people will have their mark removed once they remedy the problem.

Friend why are you bumping this thread , all with OP and the filthy guy has been sorted. Lauda did what was justice.

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It is really unfortunate here that we cannot unsubscribe yourself from threads on which we commented so at the evening i get a hell of threads and i get confused whom to check and whom not.

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Edit:

Someone also copy my signature design.
Please tag this profile I already talk to them but they still ignoring my PM.
Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137382

Proof:

Bounty thread that copy my ETHLend signature design: (CryptoCopy Bounty Thread)  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345810.msg23891096#msg23891096

https://i.imgur.com/TpPXkfC.png

How amusing. CryptoCopy.

Did you PM them yet?

Yes, and they ignored my PM so I decided to post in their ANN Thread and bounty thread then I received answer like this lol.

Have you asked who they paid to make the signature? I think its best if you make a new thread about it. It will get ignored by some here, and this is no laughing matter once again.

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LOL- Ironic, cryptocopy Nice one actmyname!