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You can see the evidence before you vote:

PAST EXPERIMENTS AND RESULTS:

Supporting damage claim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0NSV6Mqlgw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rlJL-2R7TA

Opposite Result:
http://kimmxjayne.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/day-10-microwave-experiment/

Neutral Result:
this 12 day experiment shows no ill effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPEFJgfuMwk


For those that don't know and/or want to confirm, I can run an experiment:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233186.0

microwaves heat food with soundwaves. there is no radioactivity involved like so many people want to believe. however, boiling water releases many of the minerals and other microscopic nutrients that may be in the water to begin with. probably not lethal, but not the healthiest.

^^^inconclusive; that's why I didn't vote.

No, just no.

Microwaves use microwaves, not sound waves (that is where the name microwave comes from). Microwaves are electromagnetic waves with wavelengths on the micrometer scale, so they have less energy than light (nanometer scale) and more energy than radio waves (meter scale).

Microwaves happen to be the same energy as the rotations and vibrations of molecules (especially the O-H bond vibrations and the rotation of the water molecules), and so due to resonance when you blast a molecule with microwaves it absorbs the energy and vibrates and rotates faster increasing the energy and temperature.

If you let the water sit, the energy will dissipate and it will go back to how it was energetically before you zapped it. Boiling water does expel any gases dissolved in the water, so it can change the pH (by releasing carbon dioxide). Also, some organic molecule can be destroyed or altered by the high heat. So the water can be changed chemically, depending on what traces were in it before you started.

do you think it makes a difference that maybe the microwave heats it hotter than boiling on a stove?

Anyone with half a brain knows it's no. Microwaves are just that, waves. It's no different than saying "does shaking water harm plant growth?", noting is being added to, removed from, or changed within, the water.

What type of experiment and outcome would make you change your opinion ?

One that demonstrates a repeatable difference between stove-heated and microwave-heated water.

The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.  Hasn't hurt the plants one bit.   :P

Please come out of the dark ages, and leave your demon-haunted world for our nice post-enlightenment modernity.   8)

Well it doesn't.  Stove or microwave, liquid water can only get so hot before it boils into gas form.  This is commonly known as the boiling point and for water it is 100 deg C.

Actually it varies under pressure; which varies by elevation and other factors

This is a common misconception. Microwaves are not even close to the resonant frequency of water molecules, instead the heat is caused by the fact that water (along with fats and sugars) is a polar molecule, meaning the electric charges are not evenly distributed (ie, each molecule has a positively charged end and a negatively charged end), and exposing it to a rapidly varying electric field causes the molecule to vibrate. The exact frequency does not matter, though higher frequencies penetrate less deeply and so are less useful for cooking.

Wrong. Water can indeed be heated beyond its boiling point without actually boiling, a process known as superheating (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheating), and this is much more likely to occur in a microwave than a stove due to the fact that a microwave heats water more evenly. It is a well-known hazard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven#Hazards) of microwave cooking.

"Homogeneous liquids can superheat[32][33] when heated in a microwave oven in a container with a smooth surface. That is, the liquid reaches a temperature slightly above its normal boiling point without bubbles of vapour forming inside the liquid. The boiling process can start explosively when the liquid is disturbed, such as when the user takes hold of the container to remove it from the oven or while adding solid ingredients such as powdered creamer or sugar"

Not to water the issue is with what it does to food
http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/2/post/2011/08/why-did-russia-ban-the-use-of-microwave-ovens.html

actually we're ONLY dealing with what it does to 'tap' water in this experiment

All forms of heating destroy nutrients in food, not just microwaves. In most cases, microwaves actually do less damage than other methods of cooking, due to the lower temperatures and shorter cooking times (the only exception is boiling certain vegetables, which some studies suggest causes slightly less damage than microwaving).

The paper in that link is complete bullshit. For starters, the formation of radiolytic compounds in a microwave oven is flat-out impossible, as microwave radiation is non-ionising. Microwave radiation is also not "AC" or "DC"; these are varieties of electric current, not radiation. Radiation can be neither of these things.

There is also no way for microwaves to increase the cholesterol content of foods. More likely, the types of food which are typically microwaved (ie, junk food) contain higher levels of cholesterol to start with. Eating that shit ain't healthy, microwaved or not.

As for increased white blood cell counts, it is less widely-known than it should be that because microwaves cook at lower temperatures, there is a much higher risk of bacterial contamination from undercooked food. Lack of awareness of this fact is a very common cause of food poisoning.

i guess Plants can adapt to little Changes
but i'm sure it will decrease the Yield, except you got Arsen or something else in your Pipes
your do you live in a Slum then maybe it's better for your Plants to boil the Water.

There's normally a little chlorine in tap water. Boiling the water, in a microwave or on a stove, will remove most of the chlorine. Chlorine is not good for plant growth, so microwaved water should actually be a little better. However, the amount of chlorine in tap water is very small, and I doubt it will make any noticeable difference.

Minerals in tap water can't be removed by boiling, since the water does not reach the boiling point of any mineral. If you want to remove minerals, you'd have to use a different process - perhaps a filter or a still?

Gentlemen, I believe we have a quandary perhaps we should settle this myth with the mythbusters
What else are they for XD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AMicrowave_oven/Archive_4#No_mention_of_Russia_banning_microwaves.3F
Wiki seems to have history with this

Back to plants
Plants probably do like their water from the tap or your garden don't know about boiling it in a microwave though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO6DJz3OF8Q
Hypothesis: It slows down growth but does still grow likely due to the nutrients suggestion
Likely conclusion: Microwaving water does hurt plant growth by extending the duration on a micro-level no idea

Off Topic
I agree that all forms of heating do destroy nutrients in food but if I recall correctly there are differences based on the method used
And that paper is bullocks but I brought it up for discussion :)
That said it did have citations from another url basically same article with the cite notes included
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangers-of-microwave-radiation-cannot-be-ignored/24342

I do remember reading somewhere that cancerous types are more common when using microwave heating than other conventional cooking methods probally due to the chemical changes in food right it was carcinogens but the article I pointed to says no although plastic is a factor with BPA
http://safety.lovetoknow.com/Dangers_of_Microwave_Food
http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/programme/programme_rafs/files/microwave_ra_e.pdf

Just for Fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_OXM4mr_i0

Wow
Just wow
Do you even science?

More bullshit. Non-ionising radiation is not "a violent, destructive process" that "rips apart" molecules. Heat can cause chemical reactions and in some cases produce toxic or carcinogenic chemicals, but the source of the heat makes no difference.

??? What? The sun has been microwaving everything on Earth for billions of years. No harm seems to have come of it, especially compared to the ultraviolet radiation the sun is constantly spraying out, which is far more dangerous.

Maybe it's because everything is stopped by the atmosphere?

Geomagnetic field/ Magnetosphere and most things

Why yes, I do science.  And rather a lot.  Thanks for having the courage to respond.  At least you're willing to listen to an opposing PoV, unlike some other people here.

Thanks for your link
So no. The Sun has been microwaving nothing on Earth for billions of years, except the atmosphere. And don't mention the times where there was no atmosphere, that's now billions of years that's not the case anymore.

The atmosphere is more or less transparent to most wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation. This is evidenced by the fact that you can, you know, see through it. Radar astronomers, using microwaves, also have no difficulty seeing through it. Although the atmosphere absorbs most of the sun's microwaves, some manages to get through. And it's not just harmless stuff like light and microwaves that the atmosphere is transparent to: although the ozone layer provides partial protection against ultraviolet radiation, a significant portion still reaches Earth - this why you should wear sunscreen to avoid skin cancer. Why would you think the atmosphere stops "everything"?

Despite what you may have seen in the (completely retarded) movie The Core, the Earth's magnetic field only affects charged particles; it has absolutely no effect whatsoever on any kind of electromagnetic radiation.

See the context, I was referring to microwaves...
If you think microwaves go through the atmosphere, see my previous post

I saw your previous post. It displays your remarkable ability to read something without understanding it. Go read that article again, especially the part about microwave radiation from space being detectable by ground based observatories. I do think microwaves go through the atmosphere. Radar astronomers also think microwaves go through the atmosphere. Radar wouldn't even work at all if they didn't. As for the sun's microwaves in particular, most of the radiation (what did you think the word "primarily" means, in that context?) is indeed absorbed by the atmosphere without reaching the Earth's surface, but some is not. And the microwave radiation that does reach the Earth, both from the sun and other sources, is completely harmless.

The Geomagnetic sphere protects from cosmic rays it is the reason we even have life on this earth
The reason we have the Northern and Southern lights is because of interactions in the magnetosphere with the Solar Wind

But lets simplify this
Light is both a wave and a particle and recent research proves it does have an effect on electromagnetic radiation perhaps not much but something as well. But your right it was the atmosphere cosmic rays and EM are different.
I was thinking along the lines of solar storms and why a Solar Burst will cause electronics to fail
Which is mitigated by the magentosphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1989_geomagnetic_storm
Electromagnetic radiation trapped in the magnetosphere above the plasma frequency
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/JA078i034p08136/abstract
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/releases/2010/10-012.html
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/earth-will-have-15-minutes-to-protect-electronics/
http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/4614/new-study-proves-the-magnetosphere-protects-earth

New research brings about new discovery's the quote it has absolutely no effect Is wrong
Science has no absolutes

Cosmic rays and the solar wind are both composed entirely of the aforementioned charged particles, mostly high energy protons.

Was calling out this part
Electromagnetic radiation trapped in the magnetosphere above the plasma frequency
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/JA078i034p08136/abstract


No contest on that point

Wow, you honestly believe the earth has had an atmosphere remotely like our present one for billions of years?

And you do know that the atmosphere, which you are aware has been microwaved by the sun for some epoch period of time, contains massive amounts of water vapor, don't you? 

That's cute.  Are you a girl or something?   :D

Your microwave is clearly haunted by demons.  I suggest asking the Pope for an exorcism.  Or apply leeches. 

Whatever sets your scientifically illiterate heat aflutter, and makes you feel safe from the invisible-yet-evil horrors of microwaves.   ;D

This implies I read the article and not just did Ctrl+F 'sun'


Ok fair enough I should have read it


Anyway, the point was comparing microwaving water in a microwave oven and the microwaves from the Sun we receive.
Comparing what happens when microwaving a cat in a oven (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T8L1uiK6pE), and when a cat walks under the Sun, I think I can fairly conclude that the amount of microwaves received on the ground is far far lower than in a oven

The title of that article is somewhat misleading: it is referring to electromagnetic radiation being emitted by particles trapped in a particular region of the magnetosphere. The radiation itself is not trapped, only the source of the radiation is.

True. I never said it wasn't, though.

Wow, you honestly believe I said that?

Point?

Based on my posts count and the fact that I'm here for more than 2 years, I thought that nearly everybody knew I am a girl. But again, point?
Are you misogynistic?

Oh wait you're christian, don't bother replying to the previous question.

Are you fucking stupid? Or blind?
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is obviously what keeps me alive in this world full of microwave monsters. Oh and it kills the GMO monsters too.

AFAIK the only thing microwaves do is shake water molecules at a high enough rate that they produce heat from friction.  There doesn't seem to be anything which says microwaves have other adverse effects which remain after the process of microwaving is done, outside of nasty dry food.  I wouldn't want to sit in one while it's running, tho.


You never know... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4jpAI0o79kw#t=18s)

My dear Pastafarian lassie,

You should replace the batteries on your sarcasm detector if you really think I'm a Christian.

I know it's hard to be rational when you're all full of hormones, but you should realize that for most of the earth's history there was no atmosphere or, at most, a thin one very different than present.

Regardless, that atmosphere was/is full of water vapor and has been microwaved by the sun for eons.  No detriment to plant life has been noted.

You and the OP are full of superstitions.  Baseless, unprovable, scientifically illiterate superstitions.  Exactly like the Christians you disdain.

Unless you can explain how microwaves poison water, you are no better than the most benighted peasant wallowing in the ignorance of the middle ages.  Worse actually, because you should know better, having had access to schools and libraries and google.

I didn't expect you to actually be a girl, but am not surprised given your antipathy to logic and analytical rigor.  Now cry moar about misogyny while simultaneously justifying it, oh mighty fembot.   ::)   :P

You feel microwaves must be bad, so QED they are.  Because ovaries.  And I'm a terrible person for mocking that asinine reality, right?   :-*

The atmosphere doesn't just put up a stop sign to halt the flow of solar radiation.  It stops the radiation by absorbing it, in the exact same way that food in a microwave oven stops the microwaves by absorbing them.

Any ill effects water microwaved in your kitchen displays should also be present in all water because it's been thoroughly microwaved in the atmosphere for as long as we've had one.

Why do you believe microwave ovens are the devil?  Did you hear it on Oprah, or read it in Cosmo?

What other common household appliances do you fear for no good (IE demonstrable) reason?  Vacuums?  Coffee grinders?  Garage door openers?   ;)

Hmmm what?
Please show me the post where I said I think microwaves poison water, or shut the fuck up  ::)

Again:
Hmmm what?
Please show me the post where I said I think microwaves poison water, or shut the fuck up  ::)

Guys, just state you're opinion and back it up with some evidence and wait for the result. Instead of bitching between each other, lol.


Like I replied earlier, I still think NO.

That's right jackjack.  Drop the argument, which you were losing badly, about whether or not the sun has been bathing the earth in microwave radiation for billions of years.  Pretend you never said anything dumb or snarky, like "do you even science?" in response.

Good job jackjack.  Pretend that the water in the atmosphere stops microwaves in a different way (court order?  magic?  posted sign?) than the water in microwaved food.  Ignore anyone who points out that you are wrong about this.

Copy and post things beyond your comprehension without reading, much less understanding them.  That's always impressive.

Equally impressive is your cat-based thought experiment: "hurr durr my cat is alive, therefore the sun doesn't microwave the earth."

IOW, Larry Summers was completely right about why ("issues of intrinsic aptitude") there are so few females in the hard sciences.   :)

So they wasted their money building this?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/South_pole_telescope_nov2009.jpg

It is the South Pole Microwave telescope.  Since the atmosphere blocks microwaves it should never see anything right?


Maybe your right and it doesn't work, they just built to enjoy views like this on the taxpayer dime.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/South_pole_telescope_during_polar_night.jpg

D&T, there is no possible way that jackjack may be mistaken.  The crickets have spoken!   ;D

https://i.imgur.com/GvO4vzi.png

This is the true face of microwaves
Stop spreading dangerous bullshit


http://serialkillercalendar.com/VHSWASTELAND/HIGH-RES-VHS-COVERS/MICROWAVE-MASSACRE-ASTRO-VIDEO.jpg

http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/files/2011/09/microwave.jpg

thinking about locking this thread, but I caused a heated discussion apparently.


Firstly, the sun does not equal a microwave.

I think I'm going to do this experiment.

Does any one care what type of microwave?

You mean a brand or something
Guess Danby doesn't matter to me

Yes, pouring boiling hot water right out of the microwave onto plants can hurt them.

The soil analysis for my lawn said it was deficient in iron so I poured molten iron on it.  the damn lawn died although as a plus I no longer have to worry about weeds.

irradiation produces adverse effects

http://www.mercola.com/article/irradiated/irradiated_research.htm

That article is about food and animals, not water and plants.  Hope you warmed up before making such a stretch.   :P