Do you think microwaved water hurts plant growth?

[420]

You can see the evidence before you vote:

PAST EXPERIMENTS AND RESULTS:

Supporting damage claim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0NSV6Mqlgw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rlJL-2R7TA

Opposite Result:
http://kimmxjayne.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/day-10-microwave-experiment/

Neutral Result:
this 12 day experiment shows no ill effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPEFJgfuMwk


For those that don't know and/or want to confirm, I can run an experiment:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233186.0

[gogxmagog]

microwaves heat food with soundwaves. there is no radioactivity involved like so many people want to believe. however, boiling water releases many of the minerals and other microscopic nutrients that may be in the water to begin with. probably not lethal, but not the healthiest.

^^^inconclusive; that's why I didn't vote.

[Peter Lambert]

microwaves heat food with soundwaves. there is no radioactivity involved like so many people want to believe. however, boiling water releases many of the minerals and other microscopic nutrients that may be in the water to begin with. probably not lethal, but not the healthiest.

^^^inconclusive; that's why I didn't vote.

No, just no.

Microwaves use microwaves, not sound waves (that is where the name microwave comes from). Microwaves are electromagnetic waves with wavelengths on the micrometer scale, so they have less energy than light (nanometer scale) and more energy than radio waves (meter scale).

Microwaves happen to be the same energy as the rotations and vibrations of molecules (especially the O-H bond vibrations and the rotation of the water molecules), and so due to resonance when you blast a molecule with microwaves it absorbs the energy and vibrates and rotates faster increasing the energy and temperature.

If you let the water sit, the energy will dissipate and it will go back to how it was energetically before you zapped it. Boiling water does expel any gases dissolved in the water, so it can change the pH (by releasing carbon dioxide). Also, some organic molecule can be destroyed or altered by the high heat. So the water can be changed chemically, depending on what traces were in it before you started.

[420]

microwaves heat food with soundwaves. there is no radioactivity involved like so many people want to believe. however, boiling water releases many of the minerals and other microscopic nutrients that may be in the water to begin with. probably not lethal, but not the healthiest.

^^^inconclusive; that's why I didn't vote.

No, just no.

Microwaves use microwaves, not sound waves (that is where the name microwave comes from). Microwaves are electromagnetic waves with wavelengths on the micrometer scale, so they have less energy than light (nanometer scale) and more energy than radio waves (meter scale).

Microwaves happen to be the same energy as the rotations and vibrations of molecules (especially the O-H bond vibrations and the rotation of the water molecules), and so due to resonance when you blast a molecule with microwaves it absorbs the energy and vibrates and rotates faster increasing the energy and temperature.

If you let the water sit, the energy will dissipate and it will go back to how it was energetically before you zapped it. Boiling water does expel any gases dissolved in the water, so it can change the pH (by releasing carbon dioxide). Also, some organic molecule can be destroyed or altered by the high heat. So the water can be changed chemically, depending on what traces were in it before you started.

do you think it makes a difference that maybe the microwave heats it hotter than boiling on a stove?

[tkbx]

Anyone with half a brain knows it's no. Microwaves are just that, waves. It's no different than saying "does shaking water harm plant growth?", noting is being added to, removed from, or changed within, the water.

[420]

Anyone with half a brain knows it's no. Microwaves are just that, waves. It's no different than saying "does shaking water harm plant growth?", noting is being added to, removed from, or changed within, the water.

What type of experiment and outcome would make you change your opinion ?

[iCEBREAKER]

Anyone with half a brain knows it's no. Microwaves are just that, waves. It's no different than saying "does shaking water harm plant growth?", noting is being added to, removed from, or changed within, the water.

What type of experiment and outcome would make you change your opinion ?

One that demonstrates a repeatable difference between stove-heated and microwave-heated water.

The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.  Hasn't hurt the plants one bit.   

Please come out of the dark ages, and leave your demon-haunted world for our nice post-enlightenment modernity.   

[DeathAndTaxes]

do you think it makes a difference that maybe the microwave heats it hotter than boiling on a stove?

Well it doesn't.  Stove or microwave, liquid water can only get so hot before it boils into gas form.  This is commonly known as the boiling point and for water it is 100 deg C.

[420]

do you think it makes a difference that maybe the microwave heats it hotter than boiling on a stove?

Well it doesn't.  Stove or microwave, liquid water can only get so hot before it boils into gas form.  This is commonly known as the boiling point and for water it is 100 deg C.

Actually it varies under pressure; which varies by elevation and other factors

[Foxpup]

Microwaves happen to be the same energy as the rotations and vibrations of molecules (especially the O-H bond vibrations and the rotation of the water molecules), and so due to resonance when you blast a molecule with microwaves it absorbs the energy and vibrates and rotates faster increasing the energy and temperature.

This is a common misconception. Microwaves are not even close to the resonant frequency of water molecules, instead the heat is caused by the fact that water (along with fats and sugars) is a polar molecule, meaning the electric charges are not evenly distributed (ie, each molecule has a positively charged end and a negatively charged end), and exposing it to a rapidly varying electric field causes the molecule to vibrate. The exact frequency does not matter, though higher frequencies penetrate less deeply and so are less useful for cooking.

do you think it makes a difference that maybe the microwave heats it hotter than boiling on a stove?

Well it doesn't.  Stove or microwave, liquid water can only get so hot before it boils into gas form.  This is commonly known as the boiling point and for water it is 100 deg C.

Wrong. Water can indeed be heated beyond its boiling point without actually boiling, a process known as superheating, and this is much more likely to occur in a microwave than a stove due to the fact that a microwave heats water more evenly. It is a well-known hazard of microwave cooking.

[420]

Wrong. Water can indeed be heated beyond its boiling point without actually boiling, a process known as superheating, and this is much more likely to occur in a microwave than a stove due to the fact that a microwave heats water more evenly. It is a well-known hazard of microwave cooking.

"Homogeneous liquids can superheat[32][33] when heated in a microwave oven in a container with a smooth surface. That is, the liquid reaches a temperature slightly above its normal boiling point without bubbles of vapour forming inside the liquid. The boiling process can start explosively when the liquid is disturbed, such as when the user takes hold of the container to remove it from the oven or while adding solid ingredients such as powdered creamer or sugar"

[freedomno1]

Not to water the issue is with what it does to food
http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/2/post/2011/08/why-did-russia-ban-the-use-of-microwave-ovens.html

[420]

Not to water the issue is with what it does to food
http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/2/post/2011/08/why-did-russia-ban-the-use-of-microwave-ovens.html

actually we're ONLY dealing with what it does to 'tap' water in this experiment

[Foxpup]

Not to water the issue is with what it does to food
http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/2/post/2011/08/why-did-russia-ban-the-use-of-microwave-ovens.html

All forms of heating destroy nutrients in food, not just microwaves. In most cases, microwaves actually do less damage than other methods of cooking, due to the lower temperatures and shorter cooking times (the only exception is boiling certain vegetables, which some studies suggest causes slightly less damage than microwaving).

The paper in that link is complete bullshit. For starters, the formation of radiolytic compounds in a microwave oven is flat-out impossible, as microwave radiation is non-ionising. Microwave radiation is also not "AC" or "DC"; these are varieties of electric current, not radiation. Radiation can be neither of these things.

There is also no way for microwaves to increase the cholesterol content of foods. More likely, the types of food which are typically microwaved (ie, junk food) contain higher levels of cholesterol to start with. Eating that shit ain't healthy, microwaved or not.

As for increased white blood cell counts, it is less widely-known than it should be that because microwaves cook at lower temperatures, there is a much higher risk of bacterial contamination from undercooked food. Lack of awareness of this fact is a very common cause of food poisoning.

[Gordon Bleu]

i guess Plants can adapt to little Changes
but i'm sure it will decrease the Yield, except you got Arsen or something else in your Pipes
your do you live in a Slum then maybe it's better for your Plants to boil the Water.

[tosku]

There's normally a little chlorine in tap water. Boiling the water, in a microwave or on a stove, will remove most of the chlorine. Chlorine is not good for plant growth, so microwaved water should actually be a little better. However, the amount of chlorine in tap water is very small, and I doubt it will make any noticeable difference.

Minerals in tap water can't be removed by boiling, since the water does not reach the boiling point of any mineral. If you want to remove minerals, you'd have to use a different process - perhaps a filter or a still?

[freedomno1]

Not to water the issue is with what it does to food
http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/2/post/2011/08/why-did-russia-ban-the-use-of-microwave-ovens.html

All forms of heating destroy nutrients in food, not just microwaves. In most cases, microwaves actually do less damage than other methods of cooking, due to the lower temperatures and shorter cooking times (the only exception is boiling certain vegetables, which some studies suggest causes slightly less damage than microwaving).

The paper in that link is complete bullshit. For starters, the formation of radiolytic compounds in a microwave oven is flat-out impossible, as microwave radiation is non-ionising. Microwave radiation is also not "AC" or "DC"; these are varieties of electric current, not radiation. Radiation can be neither of these things.

There is also no way for microwaves to increase the cholesterol content of foods. More likely, the types of food which are typically microwaved (ie, junk food) contain higher levels of cholesterol to start with. Eating that shit ain't healthy, microwaved or not.

As for increased white blood cell counts, it is less widely-known than it should be that because microwaves cook at lower temperatures, there is a much higher risk of bacterial contamination from undercooked food. Lack of awareness of this fact is a very common cause of food poisoning.

Gentlemen, I believe we have a quandary perhaps we should settle this myth with the mythbusters
What else are they for XD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AMicrowave_oven/Archive_4#No_mention_of_Russia_banning_microwaves.3F
Wiki seems to have history with this

Back to plants
Plants probably do like their water from the tap or your garden don't know about boiling it in a microwave though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO6DJz3OF8Q
Hypothesis: It slows down growth but does still grow likely due to the nutrients suggestion
Likely conclusion: Microwaving water does hurt plant growth by extending the duration on a micro-level no idea

Off Topic
I agree that all forms of heating do destroy nutrients in food but if I recall correctly there are differences based on the method used
And that paper is bullocks but I brought it up for discussion
That said it did have citations from another url basically same article with the cite notes included
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangers-of-microwave-radiation-cannot-be-ignored/24342

I do remember reading somewhere that cancerous types are more common when using microwave heating than other conventional cooking methods probally due to the chemical changes in food right it was carcinogens but the article I pointed to says no although plastic is a factor with BPA
http://safety.lovetoknow.com/Dangers_of_Microwave_Food
http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/programme/programme_rafs/files/microwave_ra_e.pdf

Just for Fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_OXM4mr_i0

[jackjack]

The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.

Wow
Just wow
Do you even science?

[Foxpup]

I do remember reading somewhere that cancerous types are more common when using microwave heating than other conventional cooking methods probally due to the chemical changes in food right it was carcinogens but the article I pointed to says no although plastic is a factor with BPA
http://safety.lovetoknow.com/Dangers_of_Microwave_Food

All most people know about the operation of a microwave is that after pushing a few buttons, food heats up quickly and easily. Yet just how the oven heats that food is a violent, destructive process. Electromagnetic energy bombards the food, creating intense molecular vibration due to the natural polarity of water molecules in the food. Those vibrations cause friction, which in turn generates heat and heats the food. At the same time, however, those very molecules responsible for heating the food are ripped apart -- a chemical change that can be dangerous.

More bullshit. Non-ionising radiation is not "a violent, destructive process" that "rips apart" molecules. Heat can cause chemical reactions and in some cases produce toxic or carcinogenic chemicals, but the source of the heat makes no difference.

The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.

Wow
Just wow
Do you even science?

What? The sun has been microwaving everything on Earth for billions of years. No harm seems to have come of it, especially compared to the ultraviolet radiation the sun is constantly spraying out, which is far more dangerous.

[freedomno1]

I do remember reading somewhere that cancerous types are more common when using microwave heating than other conventional cooking methods probally due to the chemical changes in food right it was carcinogens but the article I pointed to says no although plastic is a factor with BPA
http://safety.lovetoknow.com/Dangers_of_Microwave_Food

All most people know about the operation of a microwave is that after pushing a few buttons, food heats up quickly and easily. Yet just how the oven heats that food is a violent, destructive process. Electromagnetic energy bombards the food, creating intense molecular vibration due to the natural polarity of water molecules in the food. Those vibrations cause friction, which in turn generates heat and heats the food. At the same time, however, those very molecules responsible for heating the food are ripped apart -- a chemical change that can be dangerous.

More bullshit. Non-ionising radiation is not "a violent, destructive process" that "rips apart" molecules. Heat can cause chemical reactions and in some cases produce toxic or carcinogenic chemicals, but the source of the heat makes no difference.

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