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As Avalon's email has just stated: A pictures worth a 1,000 words;

Enjoy!

http://imgur.com/a/fqpME





Note: I have no affiliation with Bitsyncom, but i'm happy to see them get their $h*t together!! ;)

I love to see underpaid Chinese at work.
Just hope they ship fast.

One word to say: stunning!

Wonder how many they can process a day???

This is the second time I have had to say this today.  A world record, but:  

Aw yiss.  Motha fuckin' ASICS.

Anyways, they only need to finish Batch 2 and do Batch 3.

That's some great porn right there in those images.

Why can't BFL be like that?

Looks very impressive.


I'm sure they said previously it was 50 a day

I like it!  :D

Shhh! They'll hear you and refund any orders you might have.

Wow, looks awesome!  Congratulations Yifu and everyone else who anxiously awaits!!

Yo, to the guys now PMing me about buying Avalons and upgrade modules, I'm nothing to do with Avalon, I even said that in the post. I'm just forwarding the link Yifu gave in his latest email update. I do not handle their comms.

(To Yifu, don't get any ideas about having me handle your comms!...please!! :P)

https://i.imgur.com/48NlSQv.png


Please address the Trade-ins soon Sir!

:)

Very Respectfully,

GreaterNinja

Wait till you meet US graduate students and postdocs :D

@BitSyncom, when can we order Avalon modules to upgrade our miners?

I want my chips.  Where are my chips.  ;D

Tracking :)

Look very good and professional.

soon as batch #2 finish shipping, modules should go out about the same time as batch #3,

also trade-in emails are being sent also, just getting the shop ready to handle it.

Great thanks!

batch#3 will go just after #2 finish? Or it will be delay ?

no delay.

great. Thanks, just cant wait ;)

 No batch 4 ? Because dude, I would love to throw some money at you.

IF we do make/sell batch #4, we will get it ready to ship before taking orders, as said at the conference.

+1

Well done, looks good!

Ill try to ask if I caught you online - how many batch#2 orders left and how much till #3 shipment begins (about) ?

+1

Awesome, Thanks Yifu.   Please put my asic trade-in in my store account, first or second in line :)   :)


Also if you need chip packaging, etc..help let me know.  I'd like to join your team.  
Maybe we can do a 22-28nm ASIC fast?
:)

I can probably order chips to be made in Taiwan, China, US, Korea, Japan, Philippines too.

This I want to know. How long until batch #3 ships?

*just waiting for someone to decide that these are just stock photos and do not really represent their factory.* mmmmmm Popcorn.

Guys come on. Yifu is busy enough as it is yet you waste his time asking him questions that have been answered elsewhere a 100x? Let the man breathe and do your homework...

Quiet Troll

Yes a good solid number would not be out of question considering recent developments.

So nearly building a foundry for creating a couple miners? Im sure the machines have a high price and i really wonder if it wouldnt be way cheaper to find contractors that do the work instead doing all alone.
But maybe avalon has other plans. Strangely they claimed that they dont want to create miners anymore. Doesnt make sense when they pay for a foundry then.

Agreed, Surface Mount Tech indicates to me they have plans for a batch #4, #5, #6.  In any case, I wish to support Avalon.

Yes but contractors have lead times that can cause huge delays. When 4 to 6 weeks becomes 8 to 12 weeks, customers are not happy...

Better keep production under your own control...

They can either keep using the machines in the future or sell them on for other projects.

Surely at this point money is not a problem, time is!

But having your own foundry isnt much less problem. You need to have qualified workers. They need to get paid even when you dont have work for them. Otherwise you will lose them. So having a own foundry doesnt have so much advantages against using a contractor i believe.

Regarding the newsletter. Does Yifu state that the work on tickets is stopping or that the tickets will be solved soon? I still have 2 open and need it solved because and is about chip orders.

And chips will start shipping only after batch #3 is done? Thx.

Maybe they'll continue to make them, but keep them to compete with ASICminer?

Would be a plan... i think Yifu did see that AM's Business plan has its advantages.

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/engineering-the-bitcoin-gold-rush-an-interview-with-yifu-guo-creator-of-the-first-asic-based-miner

I think that is same equipment like on picture on this interview writing 2 months ago.

mmmm, pick n place porn.  ;D

I would love to see someone actually have STOCK of ASICs on hand before taking payment, that is what usually happens in the real world, release the krakken

Looking good Yifu!   

Clearly you're not from the real world, because in it ASIC development has significant non-reoccurring engineering costs of hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars dependant on tech. Kinda gets in the way of hoarding stock dude.

Pre-orders have been a necessity, but are open to abusing the naive...

Is BFL taking notes?

http://blockchain.info/tx/0cd9aaefc334b6c385db37ac339fd5d1984a34718ead0baaa26f05c5e8db9027

No new block  last 3 days
http://blockchain.info/address/1BxD2VLE95n7ZeVJSy3uoiJ5WdR72jWj5f
test over :)

Whats your output currently looking like?

Can you also tell us how high Mhz cap is set to in future Avalon Chips? You mentioned it previously but have not said anything as of late.

Also, do you plan to compete with Avalon Clones?

What are your thoughts on the remaining future profitability for the Avalon mining hardware?

Can I have Batch 4 plz

@BitSyncom... can you please say a word about support? Do you do the support on your own only or are there employees for it? I only wondered because it looks like the support slowed down again. I hope at least that my tickets get solved in the next days...

So I want to update this thread, there will be a batch#4 Avalon.   SMT machines and I already see batch#4 on at least one of the Avalon websites.  I am not going to release my evidence yet but it really looks like batch 4 will be a reality.   For those interested in a batch#4 group buy, please PM me.  I can also do hosting.

no such thing.

Makes no sense to invest in all that machinery and let it go dormant for too long after batch 3 is produced.. surely they'll do something with their capacity.  I'd guess it will come shortly after chips are fulfilled and batch 3 is shipped.

Care to bet  me BTC or 3  more Avalons on top of the ones I am due?  I have supporting evidence there will be a batch #4 avalon from domains you guys own / use.

Everyone (or some people) ITT are forgetting that Avalon wants to develop a new chip on a smaller process node.

Certainly they can use all this fancy equipment for Avalon v2 production and assembly.

Yifu or someone explain what you/he meant? "IF[/b] we do make/sell batch #4, we will get it ready to ship before taking orders, as said at the conference." ?

You mean to say you will produced a certain quantity of batch 4 before hand and if anyone want them they can paid for them and next week/day will received the miner, so it means you are not taking pre order or advance booking?

If that is the case it is good. ;D

It may not be one of my domains you know, we do not have avalon batch #4 on any of the sites, I would know, since I didn't put them there, but I'm just warning others not to get into your group by for something that doesn't exist.

Dude if you have evidence, just lay it out.  Stop wasting everyone's time and making side bets with the fucking owner of the company.  This isn't Butterfly Labs, and I am sure he has better things to do than dick around with side bets about something he is on the fence about.

Eh pikeadz, since you came off so obnoxious I'm gonna hold out.   Mr.  Yifu I'll message you where I found it listed ON your site.  I'd rather deal with you than dickhead forum members who are rude and not willing to contribute anything at all to the community.

dude, the owner of the company is telling you its untrue.. lol..  let it die ;p

Just let us know Yifu when we can buy something from you again :)  Some of us couldnt quite get in on your earlier models :)

I love it.  You're the one dangling an imaginary carrot in front of prospective investors' faces, but I'm the obnoxious one.  If you have something to say, say it.  But you don't, so you won't.  Bye!

This is not their factory, they are having their ASIC systems built and assembled by a supplier in China, and they went to take pictures.

 I do have something to show.  :)


I don't however have anything to give to a degenerate, disrespectful, and useless forum member who leaches upon the community and gives nothing back in return.



Put some BTC down, we can do a escrow with John K.   Its gonna be funny when I win the bet and rub my nuts in your face.

Ah, because nutrubbing and useless bets really contribute to the bitcoin community.  Go play satoshidice, moron.

nutrubbing on you because you would lose the bet, jackass.  Put up or shut up.

You sound very intelligent.  Why the fascination with rubbing your testicles on people?  You know what.  I don't care.  You're wasting my time.  IGNORED.

Thanks for the heads up..

P.S. Looking forward to Avalon Gen 2.

Yifu, maybe in the future you could sell to those who doesn't own any avalon, we want bitcoin to be decentralized right not in the hands of only a few big players in this forum.  :)

Rubbing nuts on peoples faces. Totally the way to get credibility to handle thousands of dollars worth of other peoples money...

BitSyncom woke up early today... This post was at like 6:30am Shanghai time and the email went out at like 5:30am...

...or was awake all night.

inaba, is that you?  ;D

oh idiot trolls everywhere...

URR HURR HURR HURR

I was trying to be humble.

https://i.imgur.com/5lK7ybz.png

No, greaterninja is a generalist scumbag. Save yourselves time and add him to your ignore list so his failed attempts at group buys don't spam your page.

see, wasn't that hard to post your pic, was it?

btw it was clear that you are not inaba, you're still way to polite :-)

Just an idea comes to mind.
If you want to sell batch 4. You'll need to be at market price.
Bitfury $ 18 / Ghs
KNC $ 20 / Ghs

Teorical
Batch 4 66Ghs Avalon $ 1,320
Batch 4 88Ghs Avalon $ 1,760

10000 chips = 78000$ = 41 Avalon 66Ghs + 2 Modules          41*1320=54120
10000 chips = 78000$ = 31 Avalon 88Ghs + 1 Modules          31*1760=54560

If they sell avalon Batch 4 will fuck to every buyer of chips.

They'd be able to charge much more. Both bitfury and KNC are future preorders with no proof. He is saying they'd be in stock like erupter blades when sold, if sold, if made, if created.

https://i.imgur.com/5lK7ybz.png

found on Avalon's support website when you create a ticket.

http://support.avalon-asic.com/support/tickets/new (http://support.avalon-asic.com/support/tickets/new)

You are an experienced user +800 post. You know what is the difficulty, ROI etc. ..
Today is a price, tomorrow less and so on.
The market price in August-September will be much worse.
  That if there are always fools who let rip. See Asic 10ghs/50btc Blades. But every day there are fewer

So are you. And so you're aware that unit price and ROI aren't locked together. Market price decides what they want to pay for it, even if predictions suggest it won't ROI.

The market price in August-September will be much worse.
  That if there are always fools who let rip. See Asic 10ghs/50btc Blades. But every day there are fewer

Awkward....

I think dogie actually sells the ASICMiner blades. (or was it the USB versions?)

In either case, it is no longer profitable [for the miner] to sell Avalon Batch 4 at 75BTC @ 70 Gh/s.

If Batch 4 is not significantly higher clocked it would be a waste of time (or just unprofitable) to buy it for that many BTC. The price likely has to come down to anywhere from 25BTC to 35BTC.

Current resold (Gen 1) Avalons are coming down in price at the BitCoinTalk Marketplace. People have been trying to sell them at 250 BTC and have largely failed. They are now barely drawing any interest at 90 BTC. (except yantis who is crazily buying them up at insanely bloated prices....so sell yours to him if you are willing to make a buck off him)

even the fool people will end sooner or later, they should aim to lower their price, or no one will buy from them next time

+11111

But if you do this, kill chip clients. A large portion of the community will hate.
If 70btc sold only buy blind.
If sold at market price. Selling 780BTC chips. It will be the biggest scam in the world made ​​BTC.

Oh the trolls. Everyone said B3 would never sell at 72btc... ah look it sold out.

Everyone says "oh it was 70 no one will buy b4". It will sell it. Why would people say otherwise? Because they have a vested interest. Either they get cheaper units, or less competition for units.

This isn't fucking difficult to understand.

wished I had ordered during Batch 1. "knocking head"

Just to clarify, these are not pictures of Avalon's "Facility".  These are just pics of different equipment used in the process.  Avalon simply subcontracts all their work out to some facility that specializes in this kind of work.

As opposed to seeing ZERO jobs in the US because they were outsourced to China?

If you accuse someone of troll. Use quote. Do not throw accusations on the air. Specifies which user's are spitting.

By the way ask someone Batch3 own. If they are going to repay the investment.

Umm it's specifically titled on BitSyncom's Imgur account which I've lined to in the OP; "Avalon's New Facility", by their own words, it is...

They "sold" because people lost their heads. There were no options available (unless you consider BFL an option way back then);

I wasn't against it either, it funds Avalon next steps.

I highly doubt the situation will repeat.

Are you trying to troll everybody with this bullshit?  You really think Avalon owns that building, all the equipment, and has all those employees on Avalon payroll?  LOL, fuck.

No dumbass, I'm just repeating the same title they used, click a link, see for yourself and stop being so quick to bitch...

Their title is misleading, hence my first post in the thread.  And you just repeat it like a fucking parrot.

::) What with their email being newsworthy to those vested and the community at large? Yes I repeated what they sent by email moments before, as I created the thread, obviously!

Yes, and I heard you can actually rent places now...

Looks very nice.

What happens in there once the current orders are all shipped?

@BitSyncom
When you will start shiping bacth #3?

@BitSyncom
When you will start shipping my batch #2 order? ;D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238391.msg2524681#msg2524681

OK
@BitSyncom
So when ???

Fairly certain of two things:

1. batch 4 will be based off bran new chip design. Be it a BFL or Bitfury derivative or license or in-house developed
2. After the batch delays from Avalon their 'name' is worth a lot less then you would expect. They have to match or beat market price per Gh/s and W/gh to be successful.

um...yufi stated there probably wont be a batch 4... the new chip design will probably just be released in raw chips...not actual built units.

I want this in my basement  ;D

Yes "no delay" is very needed now :)

what about delay of shipping batch #2?

+100000000E1000

3 Avalons Batch #1 cost about BTC 330 and brought in BTC 1200 to date (minus the hosting costs like electricity, internet feed and alarm system)

https://i.imgur.com/Wwn2urR.png

Increasing difficulty will drive down revenue further more of course....

And that would destroy bfl-chip sells totally. Because avalon could deliver the chips very fast while bfl-customers would have to wait 14.28 weeks for the chips to arrive.
A real market advantage for customers and avalon.