Bitcoin Forum

Just posting here so I can (eventually) take part in discussions somewhere relevant. However if newbie status remains I will take my comments elsewhere. Perhaps should start a thread on the reasons for restricting newbs? I find it a bit patronising and disrespectful tbh.

One Word: spam

that's not one word at all...

lol j/k

SPAM!

You have to post once and then wait 4 hours. That's it. It's designed so you read up on things and don't ask annoying questions or spam outside of the Newbie section.

If you have a better suggestion, post it here, and theymos will implement it! :)

so they don't ask a frequently asked questions, hence less spam

The insinuation is that all newbs spam. I take that as an insult.

Innocent until proven guilty - just ban spammers.

There would be hundreds of spammers coming everyday and mods already have a lot on their heads. Also, taking this as an insult is just silly. Why would you be butthurt about something that helps the forum community? Unless you're selfish...

4 hours starting now lol.

kinda frustrating but makes sense.. SPAM

Well, a good first reason is it makes it harder for persons to create sock accounts and troll/scam/etc. Also, it gives people a chance to learn and read, rather then spamming questions that have already been clearly answered many times before, as well as learn rules, trusted users, etc.

to prevent spam, it's just 4 hours...

Do people seriously read the forums for 4 hours or just leave the page open on another tab?

I believe you don't even need to leave it open anymore.

Can't figure out what is their consideration of doing this. No one answer questions from Newbie at all. Why they are so sure newbie must not raise good questions and have to be kept prison here...

Spam is correct, but theres also another apect to it:

Roughly the twenty first questions an average newcomer will ask have allready been answered, several hundred times at worst.
For example try to find out how many posts about wallet collision and it's propabilities have been posted on these forums :)
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The proper use of those four hours is to read the forums.

After a while time logged in just becomes days and days and days, I believe after the 2 day mark of time spent on this forum people get de-sensitized to it  ;D

Finally, a person who explained it in a civilized and easy to understand manner.  :)

tl;rd version:

SPAM! either advertisement SPAM, or noobish question SPAM. the latter is worst.


(..and the "why noob jail?" question have already been answered lat least 1000 times.)

exactly! and again this post juz proved that someone failed to read this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177133.0 that leads to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15911.0

spam

I was able to post shortly after joining, don't know why or how.

most forums always have a post limit you have to surpass to earn other privileges.

to prevent spam!

Restrict newbies because making hard new accounts.

Trying to create mass accounts with bot.

i just hit 4 hours! yay! my registration date was... April 25th! w00t! pretty sure i broke some records there. ;P

https://i.imgur.com/KyLSCAw.png

Yes, I was seriously reading.
And this is my first post. I've also been lurking for almost 3 months now.

You asked why this site restricts newbs?

The precise reason is because we want knowledgeable commentary in the "big boy" forums. The newb status is so you learn how to navigate the site and find the correct forums for your post.

it is logical - spam, but slightly problematic. :) i need access only into one forum. :)

I have to wait 3 minutes to reach 4 hours.  :)

To keep out all the scammers and spammers of course. It sucks though having to go through it at first :\

Well that's the thing isn't it.

You ARE guilty.

You didn't read the Newbie thread - takes less than 3 minutes to read and yet you've not read it.

These rules were designed for YOU. You specifically.

The insinuation is you won't read before you post and it looks like you've proved the admins right.

Well done.

The problem with restricting newbies is that it is offputting to the casual investigator who may be looking at starting to use bitcoin or other crypto currency. The major purpose of this site and the community in general should be to expand the number of people using bitcoin - and promote its acceptance and the understanding of it. Creating artificial impediments for new users and or otherwise putting them off by being rude/obnoxious or generally boorish is detrimental to the adoption of bitcoin by the broader community and hence its value and its future.

I have no problem with it and wish more boards did the same.

If they're casual investigators then they'll be interested in reading. They won't bother to register and ask a question.

If they do prefer to ask a question, it'll be one that's been answered a million times before so it seems the restriction serves existing and new users equally.

1. Spam.
2. Discourage the same question being asked over and over.
3. They hate me.
4. I am so alone  :'(
5. ?? ?? ?? ??
6. Profit

Theres good reason for this rule. It keeps out the hoardes of scammers, and spammers we would get without the restrictions. If your serious about being a member of the forums, 4 hours on the forums and 5 posts shouldnt be a problem.

Useless countermeasure.
With such easy captha protection spammers can easily create thousands of accounts, if they want.
Instead of annoying 4 hours post restriction better to create 1 hour delay between posts.
Know, where are a lot of newbies in world, but I'm reading this forum for a months before one reply in very important topic and had waited for 4 hours...

cool! then do it! :P

I enjoy my newbie sub-forum enslavement. I have a collar and these shiney shackles to prove it ^_^

LOL

I told you they hate me

What needs to happen for the restriction to post to other topics to be lifted?

A prime example for the need of restrictions.

5 post and to be on the forum for 4 hours.

To be on the forum AFTER the fifth post or after the first post or in total? Also, how does my question exemplify the need for these restrictions?

I think it is to prevent noobs and smpammers from cloggin' up the forums.. That is my theory anyways.

Sure, but it would be nice to define the terms clearly. It would also be nice to have a possibility to pay some BTC in order for these restrictions to be lifted with immediate effect.

Useless?
Surely you wasn't there when it was decided...

Think about this:

The forums gets about 100-1,000 people per week. Having all of them post on one day would be chaotic. Now think about paying. Think about paying .01BTC to get out of Newbie Mode. Now think about that amount increasing per month because of demand. PEOPLE BE PAYIN DAT .12. The forum would be rich. Now think about how much the donation groups would be. Wanna pay 20BTC for the current 10BTC donation package?

Not to mention, that when people scam they'd feel they're entitled to not getting banned, or having a scammer-tag. So of course that would be abusing that method. Not to mention they'd probably be able to lift the scammer-tag by money.

I answer questions from newbies sometimes. The problem is that very few people actually look for the answer themselves, so we get many, many threads on the same topic, and it feels repetative to answer the same questions over and over and over again. Many times there is even a thread on the same topic on the first page of the section they post in. Like this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177133.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=244803.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177136.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=245409.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15911.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=244728.0

OK, so some of those are more relevant than others, but I just went through the first couple pages of 'Newbies'


The forum already has way more money than they know what to do with, they do not need to add a payment to join.

SPAM SPAM  and TLDR....

A restriction of a newbie like myself is to prevent spam of boards but also of someone just creating manipulative accounts.  Of course there are probably some people with 10 or 20 accounts on here that are used just to help them con other people.  "My name is jimmy and what this guy says is right. You should invest in his scheme .eerrr plan."  Barriers of entry are made as a form of filtration this is not always a bad thing.

That is obvious, but why should that cost be necessarily paid in posts and time? We have a wonderful measure of value here that is transferable. It's called Bitcoin. Why not just use it the way it was meant to be used?

You want people to be able to pay money and have a free ride to spamming and scamming? If they do not want to put the time/posts in for getting non-newbie accounts, they can just pay somebody else to go through the time period for them. There are a few people selling accounts, and I am sure you could convince some of the slackers around here to burn some time reading the forum to get out of newbie jail for you. Let the market decide. Hmm ... I have a friend who might be interested in doing that ...

Are you insinuating money equates to freedom of speech?  Or more strictly bitcoin wallet equals freedom speech and the only freedom of speech acceptable?

No. I am saying that what can be done informally anyway should be possible formally. This is net inefficiency.

not sure if anyone is ever gonna break mine  - - - - > July 2011 and only just got that keyboard fixed   :o

I'm reading in this Forum for hours and now i have a question in a specifig thread..
and now i'm here  ::) because i can't post anywhere else  ::)

so all i have do do is write a post in the newbie-area and wait almost 4 hours to place my question at the right place?
or should i do more useless postings here do get the rights to post in other threads?


Sorry, for that dump question, but i won't read more useless threads  :P

Haven't you heard? It's now been reduced to ONE post. I suspect even that's too much for some users.

For you to be able to read and not post questions that are already answered... oh, wait, too late.

So newbie starts here.

I sorta do too.  There have been so many threads that I've wanted to participate in and I haven't been able to leave a comment.  Hopefully that'll change soon.

There are a lot of popular forums where you can get posting about whatever. But bitcoin is a specific subject a lot of new people don't understand very well.

I'd actually like to see a restriction like this on more forums just to make sure the spam bots fail.

Surely spammers could spam this category and then move on to the entire forum?

>> Then they get banned before they can leave this category.

Jeebus people!

You need to make 1 (ONE) considered post and read for a few hours  ???

I have been mining bitcoin for a while now - just finally got registered on this forum and looking to move out of newb status and not sure quite how yet - this was the first place I found related to that topic - I will keep looking.
Thanks!

You need to be active for 4 hours before losing the newbie status I believe. Also posting a certain amount of posts. It used to be 5 but the system has now changed.

^^

We should remove all restrictions then and let everyone have at it.

Planned

standard procedure on most fourms on the net to prevent spam and to make people work for more privileges