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I made a new thread and gave it this ridiculous name, because even though this is a serious matter, people seem more concerned about the title than the matter at hand.

Here is a link to the original thread, and the Italicized Quoted letters are the original thread as well:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=246017.msg2608747#msg2608747

I called an attorney this morning and I began with the gun analogy and told him it was a hypothetical:

I asked: "If you leave a loaded gun on the table, and the baby shots himself you are at fault, yes?"

He replied: "Yes, that is clear."

Then I asked: "Now, what if I gave a baby a loaded gun, and told him to play with it. That is worse right?"

And he replied: "OF COURSE!"

Then I described that peanuts are a well known allergen to this child, and are the equivalent of poison. The man who gave my brother peanuts neglected to read the bag, neglecte to realized that the peanut butter M&Ms were larger than normal, and neglected to read the warning label, which he even himself said he wish he would have read.

The lawyer told me I have a case, and that it is not just negligent homicide, but pure homicide. The only issue is that he has been studying law for 15 years (and is a criminal defense attorney), and he told me some people will weasel their way out.

SO BEFORE I FILE A POLICE REPORT
I would like the support of the bitcoin community. The lawyer I contacted is criminal defense, so he can not take the case. So I will need a lawyer. I will need a private investigator (because my step dad has already done some dirty things that I am WELL aware of, and would like to learn more), I will need more than this, I just don't know who I need yet.

LASTLY, BUT MOST IMPORTANT
My mother is treating this as if it was an unavoidable accident, but there is another child in this home to be raised. And it needs my mom, and her family to raise him. Not a murderer and his family.

No, I KNOW someone killed a child. The police were contacted, and no one pressed charges. But I was not present for that, so I am now doing my part.

The body is at the morgue, they have even done an autopsy. It's not like this is going on in a weird way.

I'm assuming any standing you have in this case is because it's your brother?

If so, I'm sorry for your loss.

The problem here is you'll have difficulty in proving intent.

Yes, my brother. I have no need to prove intent. I was planning on charging "NEGLEGENT" homicide (meaning accidental), but the lawyer said that handing someone a cup of poison, whether you know it is poison or not, is pure homicide. ESPECIALLY when you entice them to ingest it.

Please share this thread, or at least ask others to take a look. I need help.

How do we know you weren't the one that murdered your brother?

Do you see the problem here?

Even you don't know if it he intended this to happen.

A jury is unlikely to convict if there's a reasonable doubt that he did it on purpose.

I assume he knows about the allergy?

Have you spoken to him? Does he seem remorseful?

Sure, it's negligence but if he truly didn't intend this then punishing him will further punish your mother and potentially your other brother.

If your other brother also has the same allergy then I understand why you're doing this.

Hopefully anger isn't clouding your judgement.

I live 45 minutes away, and everyone knows who did it. He has confessed repeatedly.

Ahhhh, the Internets.

project 14 asking for bitcoins..

let me guess you get a nice hand full, people start asking questions about name and references of the solicitor you employ, to ensure your spending the coins properly..

suddenly you reply back. its ok folks my step dad is a good man.

i know you wont go to court, because court takes months.. yet your plan number 13 is to go on a world tour.

i wont mention the time restraints of plans 1-12 as they were just brain farts of dreams.

but i still wonder how you personally will pay for all of this with only 3BTC to your name?

My other brother DOES have the same allergy, and I don't want this to happen to him. Not not only that, this man NEEDS to change his ways if he wants to be a good father.

My dead brother, Mason. I have LITERALLY had to stand between mason and him, while he was in a rage, to keep him from taking my brother in the car with him in his rage. And now my brother is dead. He might has well have taken him that night. He is an evil man.

When I was thirteen my mother was yelling at me and he thought he heard me call her a bitch. He chock hold, and strangled me until me sister grabbed a knife and yelled for him to stop.

We texted all day yesterday about the charity we plan to set up for my dead brother, and the discussion was respectful and hopeful even. Then when he walked in the door he slammed it, and yelled at me about a bike that had been knocked over in the garage. And a door my younger brother had left open when searching for his jacket, and blamed me for both. I asked if we could speak about the charity, as we had planned in our texts and he said "I'm not in the mood to talk to you", and it was literally in the tone of a gremlin, which makes me think he is thinking evil thoughts. So he went outside and I hid the bullets from his gun so he could not kill me then, or later in my sleep.

My step dad has told me twice in my life that he is sorry for being the dick he is (so he acknowledges it), then he does this:
I taught both my brothers to walk and talk, literally. I trained them when I was 11 or 12, and since then I have answered EVERY question they ask of me. Then yesterday he had the nerve to tell me all I do is play video games with them, and he did everything else.

Then I asked him later in the day "Can we talk about the charity" He said "I don't have time right now", then I asked "when do you leave" He said" Tomorrow". I asked, "when today would be a good time talk?"

Then he said in his gremlin voice "we will talk when I get back on the seventh", which makes me think he plans to kill me on the seventh.

And as I said before, all I ask is that he sit with me respectfully, respectfully, and discuss my dead brothers charity. OR that he be charged for his crimes.

http://marcstevens.net/

Call this guy during his radio show. He gives people advices on the so called legal land.

You'll have to prove that he knew your brother (or whomever) was allergic to peanuts.

top lel. you really think that the bitcoin community is going to help you win?

We have a woman on trial right now, which turned her daughter blind, day by day, while she was drugged with sleeping pills. Just to get a welfare bonus for her child's disability.
Also she has been doing similar stuff to other 2 sons, both of whom died eventually.
They caught her in the end, but she's been doing that for 14 years...

He knew. He had an epi pen that he didn't use, that was in his possession, meant specifically for my brother.

I just think maybe the bitcoin community would like to become involved. Every year there are about 7 murder trials that make the national news circuits. Why not let a bitcoin news team be first on the scene, as well as bitcoin enthusiasts stepping forward as expert witnesses.

Murder isn't the kind of crime that one can choose not press charges on...the state always presses charged for the crime, you can't stop it...but there must be some evidence to charge someone...and it does not require funding to prosecute. I'm confused...???

Murder IS the kind of thing to can choose to press charges on. Look at the Walmart Heiress, she committed vehicular manslaughter but the family decided not to press charges.

And it is being treating as a "death from natural" causes type thing, but I do not call a bad parent "natural causes".

There is evidence. He has claimed on record, at the hospital and to family members that he brought the M&Ms home, HE put them in a bag separate from the one labeled with warnings. And he coaxed my brother to eat them.

Intent or not, there was a murder committed the way I see it. The rest of the family sees an accident. I see a bad parent that deserves to not raise another child (which he has one, one year younger, which is also my brother).

But you can only sue in civil court (wrongful death). You'll need to get the police involved if you want criminal charges.

Also, it would be nice if you made a clean summary of the events. The original post you made kept on digressing into random topics and was filled with opinions.

I will file a report. I just need to get a legal team together first, that is the goal of this thread.

First, condolences for your loss.

I think if you are going to go forward you should study up on what sort of charges apply in this case.  You need to have a grasp of things like mens rea and also the fact that a lawyer will generally always tell you that you have a case because they have a vested interest in going to trial.  I'm not saying you don't have a case, the facts are not clear, but if you really want to champion this, you'd do yourself a lot of good to understand the law a little. 

From a cursory glance at the situation, it looks like you might be able to file a civil wrongful death lawsuit but again, I'm not an attorney and don't know all of the facts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=245858.0

Looking for some funds for your trip??  ::)

...Your brother dies and somehow publicity for Bitcoin comes to your mind? What the hell??  ???

I'm sorry about your brother but my gut tells me you are having an emotional reaction rather than a rational one.
I read his obituary in the baseball thread, I understand that he has a different biological father than you, and it is not uncommon to lash out at a step-dad.

Tell what you know to the police. If they think there is an issue, let them handle it.

I do not mean to sound like a troll but let me tell you what will happen if the police do not handle this and you hire a private investigator and try to sue him for wrongful death.

The first thing that will happen is your drug history with marijuana and shrooms will be brought up. You will be portrayed as a paranoid delusional drug abuser. The jury will almost certainly agree. Sorry to break it to you, but if he's a geologist working for oil, he's got money and quite possibly legal insurance. You will not be able to match his resources and you are easy for his legal team team to portray as a society castout drug abuser.

It will not end well for you and will do nothing for your brother. I almost guarantee it.

Give your suspicions to the police, and pray that if your step-dad did this thing, the police pursue it. That's all you can do.

So, what again does this have to do with Bitcoin? If it's a charity, focus on the charity. Your legal problems are none of our business.

Finshaggy, you dont ask on a god damned bitcoin thread.  You involve the police now. Nobody in the bitcoin community is an expert on this I'll wager. You involve the police and hope they send that motherfucker to prison or death.  Don't ever ask for this kind of advice in this community.  Ask for police/detective and get the job done.

The attorney I spoke to said he is a criminal defense lawyer and can not take my case. So their is no bias there,

No, my brother died and I happen to be on a bitcoin thread a lot. So I thought maybe I would ask you guys for advice on lawyers and maybe some council.

It not a charity. It's the first murder trial offered to be publicized by any bitcoin media outlet.

I need a legal team or else I look like a 21 year old, (financially) broke, emotionally distressed stoner. All I ask is for help is finding that legal team.

No you still look like that. No legal team is doing this for free. You acting like an idiot, we got it your brother died, and your upset, and want revenge on something that was little more than mistake, I think you need psychological help, and not to be on an internet forum.

Right, but what I'm telling you is that YOU cannot charge this person with a criminal offense.  A prosecutor needs to do this so it doesn't make any sense that you want legal counsel.  Your only option is to go to the authorities and have them handle it.  They'll look at the evidence and prosecute him if they have enough evidence.  It's not like you can get a lawyer and charge the guy with murder, it doesn't work that way.

The only time you would need a lawyer is if you are going after him in a civil case, which means you receive monetary compensation, the guy doesn't go to jail.  Think of the OJ trial. 

tl;dr he tried to shake down his step-dad for a hundred thousand dollars to start a "charity" and it failed, so he's asking money here to do the police's job of investigating a murder. He's also channelling dank and has hit the "people are out to kill me" stage of weed overuse.

My daughter and I were shot, and she died.  I have been through a murder trial, and I have read the relevant law carefully and discussed it with the district attorney.  While I am not a lawyer, I do have at least this much direct experience.

There are two broad divisions: criminal and civil.  Murder is criminal.  The two parties in a criminal action are the defendant (your stepdad) and the state (whatever state you live in).

The prosecutor represents the state.  While his interests may be close to yours, he does not represent you.  You will not have standing in the case.  At most, you can be a witness.  Everyone will be watching you for a variety of reasons, including your emotional stability with a view toward whether you will act improperly in the courtroom.  

Let me expand a bit on "you will not have standing in the case."  This means that no lawyer can represent you in this criminal matter.  

My general impression from reading your threads is that, yes, you went through a horrific event.  By the way, this is true for every witness or family member in a murder trial, so you are just "the next case" in the prosecutor's office.  My impression continues that you appear to be a hot head, emotionally driven, and you tend to try to fit the facts to your emotions.  That is a dead end approach, and it will make the prosecutors believe that they have to "manage" you.

The defense attorney will do everything he can to put your stepdad into a good light.  For example, he might say that he was just playing, and that you brother knew that the peanuts were moved.  Presumably anything the defense attorney says is true, but "true" can be very slippery when he says "My client says ...."

In a bigger picture, and without knowing the answers to lots of important questions, I think your larger responsibility in the present is to your mother and brother.  Presumably she is in danger, and presumably she at one time was very devoted to your stepdad.  She is probably very conflicted in her thinking right now.  Some basic questions for you to consider are whether she herself is in immediate and clear danger, and as a completely separate question, whether she will remove herself from the danger and stay removed.  If she will return to your stepdad, it becomes much more difficult to help her.

Why would you expect people send you Bitcoins when you haven't even provided any proof that any of this even happened?

after 14 projects finshaggy has attempted to unleash on this forum in under 40 days, some as barbaric as a bitcoin town where he is the mayor and he decide what people use their private land for.

some are to fund his round the world trips

some are librarys, cyber cafe's

oh and not to forget his cancer cure.. (selling weed)

finshaggy has finally got to step 1 of recovery. admitting he has a problem and needs help.


he knows enough to know if he wants his step dad in jail a solicitor is not the first thing to ask for. the police are required (criminal). as going the solicitor route will only end is a court fine (civil)

as for the other 13 projects he has finally addmitted why they will never prosper and why he should not lead the projects


i will use this very quote for any future projects he proposes, with the intent to extort money from people using these tactic.

i myself have lost family members and although there is sympathy towards him... extorting $100k from his step dad for a charity is enough to cause any man to become aggressive when finshaggy does not drop the subject. and this is not evidence of a brutal murderer, this is evidence of a provoked person

you honestly cannot, with a rational mind go from trusting a persons morals to want to sign him as a board member of a charity one minute. and accuse him of murder the exact same day, purely based on his reactions to your endless chatter about a $100k charity.
finshaggy please stop smoking weed and spending every opportunity of your life looking for ways to grab money from other people to fuel your next high.

Yes, this makes no sense. One sets up charity for the living, not for the dead (you can't help a person who is already dead, you can't bring him to life, even if you raise $100k for this purpose).

Finshaggy, go to the link I posted and call in the radio show. If there is a civil case for you, he'll help. If there is a criminal case, he'll help you structure your arguments in a way that prosecutor finds interesting for him (easy to win).

Although I'm sorry for your brother, this isn't the place. If you need pro bono legal help, check the Legal subforum. I'm afraid that's the best you're going to get.

I have notified your Father in Law that you are publicly accusing him of murder.

I'm not asking for free help, or the money. I am just looking for the people.

Ok, thank you for your non troll explanation. You were very helpful I will file a police report and this will be handled as you said, if I see he is a unfit father for the surviving brother. Everything is being filed and handled as if it were and accident for now. But there is evidence to fulfill my claim.

Thank you and that is my goal.

I want to put together a legal team before filing a police report.

Now, moral of this thread:
WHAT DO I DO

We should encourage the OP to get off of the recreational drugs and to find psychiatric assistance. He should also obviously refrain from any plans which include him as the head of any community.

Read back through the thread and you will see that he is using this murder accusation as nothing more than a threat against his stepfather. He says so himself when he says that he would not pursue murder charges if his stepfather proves to be a good father. What the hell does that even mean? It's a lie is what that means.

Spit out the Koolaid folks. Who would stop pursuing the murderer of their own brother simply because the murderer agrees to set up a charity? Scam. Scam. Stay away from this confidence man.

The op needs to go to the police and stop living in make believe land.

I agree with this, the allegations are serious and need investigations and not discussions on the Internet.   Such discussions will only prejudice the case.

That's really bad - printmule - got a link to this?

murder happens every day. lets say bitcoinnews done a piece about any random murder..

just like any random murder in the world, how is a peanut allergy (in your case) related whatsoever to bitcoin?



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waiting for the punchline of your other 14 jokes.. (projects)

you want people to hand you money.

you sicken me. while your family grieves and your stepdad is in mourning and probably having nightmares about a mistake. and endlessly thinking of things that he could have done differently. you first of all hound him by text messages about a $100k charity in your brothers name. then the next day you meet up with him and continue trying to discuss the charity, and when your step dad tells you he is not in the mood. you call him a murderer, because he doesnt say it with a smile??

now you want the bitcoin community to hand you, a drug dependant scammer, bitcoins to fund a legal battle which you may cancel at any point if he is deemed a good dad, or the end result being a court fine, not jail time. seriously..??

if you had any true brain power and compassion and any belief that your step dad was a murderer, you would have gone to the police. secondly if there were (which there should never be) any legal costs you would be asking your late brothers school/community for dollar donations to fund something of your brain farts magnitude.

the only reason you want bitcoins is because you know they are irreversible and semi anonymous so once you receive them you can spend them on silk road and never have to worry about someone who knows you personally, slapping you with a wet fish, because of your scams.

if you want to do a smart thing. do project 10 (mason's baseball stuff) sell baseballs, shirts caps in the name of mason to theschool community your brother attended for dollars to fund a legal team or get a bank loan.

as bitcoins are wasted on you.

again you absolutely sicken me, using a story of a brothers death to feed your silk road habits

Let me see if I've got this straight: you intend to report your step-dad's crime to the police (and that's all you can do at this point; you do not get a say in whether or not he will be charged) and give evidence against him if it goes to trial, unless he agrees to help with your charity? That's called blackmail. Better call your criminal defence attorney again. Tell him you may have a case for him to take after all.

It's in latvian/russian languages and google translate refuses to work for that page, so It will do you no good. If you want to get a stab still:

http://www.delfi.lv/news/national/criminal/par-savu-bernu-sakroplosanu-un-nonavesanu-apsudzetajai-medmasai-prasa-muza-ieslodzijumu.d?id=43440021
http://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/criminal/dlya-medsestry-izuvechivshej-svoih-detej-trebuyut-pozhiznennogo-zaklyucheniya.d?id=43440019

You are still failing to grasp how the legal system works despite people patiently explaining it to you in this thread.

Let's be realistic  - you are the stoner - your mind is damaged and not able to process properly.

Your family, hopefully, is relatively sober and is better able to figure things out than you.

Edit:  As I'm eating honey roasted peanuts and staring straight at the label that states 'Do not give to children under 4 years of age.'


Immediately find the State's Attorney / DA for your region and ask to speak with a prosecutor.  The prosecutor will review the file - so you can be more prepared and understand what position the State is taking on this matter.


If the State chooses not to pursue criminal charges - it's unlikely you can get them to change their mind.


However, civil court is widely open for you to pursue - but at your own expense.  And the court costs would be outrageous.  In the end - a civil case like this a lawyer would be looking for any financial instrument or insurance to get cash out of when the case is won.  Or someone's assets.  But if there's no insurance and no assets to be gotten - then there's much less motivation for a lawyer to take a civil wrongful death case; a long case.


But, there is one exception - Renter's insurance.  If this is an apartment and there's renter's insurance on it there could be a coverage for 'Personal Liability.'  And, what I've seen typically, is personal liability limits are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  The problem is a Renter's Insurance claim cannot be executed against the insurance policy holder *if* the policy holder is injured.  But, if it's a minor - a baby - I seriously doubt that falls under the same classification and the policy may well be claimed against in this case - if the case is won.


(I went through an issue of somewhat similar circumstances, but less severe consequences.)

It's not difficult finding a private investigator or a lawyer for that matter.

Universities will sometimes provide free legal aid from their law schools (whether they're any good, I honestly don't know).

Though you should go to the police ASAP, if not for any other reason to establish some kind of paper trail for *some* attempt at getting justice for your brother.

Also I agree with meowmeowbrowncow in that what you'd be looking for is to pursue a wrongful death suit, if you're willing to foot the bill out of principle of the thing.

There has to be SOME legal means to prove intent in the case of your stepfather. Perhaps recording a conversation in public if it's legal in your state and get him to blab about how he knew the kid was allergic to peanuts and gave them to him anyway would work, if you're good at the whole social engineering thing (or get someone else to talk to him and record it in public if that's legal where you are).

I had to go through something similar (though with circumstances a lot less serious than the death of a wee child :(  ) and I wish you all the best in your pursuit.

Know what would totally make my day after I accidentally killed my son by being a moron?

If his stoner brother tried to blackmail me for a $100000 under threat of raising murder charges against me.

That would be great.

Caveat: OP should probably watch out he doesn't end up in diverse sacks of peanuts. I mean, if you're gonna be tried for murder anyway, at least make it worth it, know what I'm saying?

Realtalk: At this point you, OP, FinShaggy, should probably be looking for professional help to assist you in coping with the loss of your brother. The way you're going about it is self-destructive.

All accusations of blackmail aside, do you really think that pursuing justice in the death of a little boy is self destructive?

Please don't tell me you're one of those types who thinks that if he would just let go, move on and allow his brother's death to go unmarked that the world would be a better place and we could all hold hands and sing along. 'Cos that's a seriously unethical and self-destructive (yet surprisingly common) mentality.

Why should we put that aside? He said so himself. No one who's primarily concerned with justice would act this way. If he really cared he would have gone to the police, not demanded his stepfather form a charity, and come on here and make 2 fake charity threads. And concoct an accusation of murder with a giant "OR" and on the other side of that "OR" is the oh guess what... the charity he wants so badly.

Oh no, if this whole thing's a sham and he's just making up a wild story to scam other people then that certainly needs to be addressed. But if there really was a little boy who was killed by his stepfather who exploited the boy's peanut allergy in some nefarious scheme (I don't understand what the motive would be to do this), then the OP's credibility needs to be separated from the matter at hand because it is irrelevant. There is a child dead. That is what matters, and it should be looked into for the sake of ensuring justice for the child. Ensuring a would-be murderer and Karma Houdini doesn't get away with his crime doesn't mean we would have to contribute to a scammer, not by any means.

Is there any way to actually verify this at all? OP, police report perhaps?

You should probably read threads before discussing in them. All of this has been answered a billion times.

Is this guy the new Dank or what?

Please don't be like Dank. Get help and take the medicine that's prescribed to you. (not weed)

Well, we apparently broke FinScammy, two days and a half since his last retarded post.

Maybe he's hanging out with dank in the psych ward.

Mod,

Please close this thread. There is not much sense in further exploring someone's suffering.