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Do not #HODL go #INWEST support start-ups

Only investment is healthy and makes any asset useful

This is true for $, gold, bitcoin or any other asset, fiat, basis coin

HODLing under mattress in hope that speculations will make you rich is nonsense killing the economic and technical progress

USE it or you will LOSE it

#Bitcoin HODLer nowadays look like old people holding their assets under the mattress instead of investing into crypto currency world.

Even if somebody decides to go #INWEST into something new #hodlers starting a shitstorm, because these cocky shitless pensioners simply scared to lose without understanding what all crypto technologies are about.

Imagine what we can reach with current 200 Billion Market capital if at least 10% of it will be on USE #INWESTed into different projects changing the world.

I am really upset to see how bitcoin is becaming just another shity speculation object of wall street - they are all alteady preparing their "future" trading, frequent trading, margin trading instruments to enter the crypto world and SPOIL it, like it is in money market going on: only speculation and no any interest on where you invest and why.

To invest bitcoin in the economy is not profitable until it reaches your maximum price. The growth rate of bitcoin is many times higher than the growth rate of the economy. As for the attempts of major American exchanges to seize control of bitcoin through the futures I don't believe it. It is not beneficial to the bitcoin community and so they will not find customers.

You can' invest bitcin into real economy - for that you need to exchange it into $ or other fiat.

I am talking about crypto economy, alternative coins ICOs and crypto start-up going to change the world with new technologies

You can directly buy the alternatives with better technologies, less fees and faster transaction new visions

#INWEST into Crypto start-up projects changing the world

Wall street speculators will start trading $btc soon and will make from bitcoin another shity speculation object if not already done, because 0.5% of Adresses own more than 90% bitcoins.

This!

But i guess investing is a nice thing too today.
Right now is the time to play a little with the money you got..ICOs for example got two huge advantages..first its a good way to make profit if done right and second its helping people found their projects.
There are good and trustworthy projects up and probably there will be much and much and much more in the future.

Just go as sure as you can, that you give your money only to people that deserve your trust.


Holding is nice..but why not play around with some % of your latest "profits" through the bitcoin-rise?
It helps, is fun and most of all you can learn about markets.
Dont get me wrong..you might lose what you got, but thats included in learning.
Investing is healthy for crypto-markets and ICOs.

And at this time..even private people with no market-connections can participate in this..that might change in the following years. As - it was already said -the big financial market (stocks, fiat etc.) slowly gets into BTC.

I see the right seed in your thoughts. But it seems like the problem is in the infrastructure for the crypto investments. We already had an ICO boom that also can be concidered as a bubble where people mindlessly threw their money into every ICO. Most of those ICOs are not able to perform as they planned in their roadmap (or their project is just don't worth the gathered money). We desperately need more legit and worthy projects to make this environment healthy. And it is not just 1, 2 or 3 projects.
But your thoughts are generaly right.  Those hodled bitcoins are not realy usefull for the general situation and when the price reach the good point those hodlers can only dump it making the BTC volatility even stronger.

"INWEST"? What does that mean? Do you mean Invest? As in short for Investment?

Investing in Bitcoin is the same has holding Bitcoin. If you're investing in startups you're not directly investing in Bitcoin. And Bitcoin has gone up in value more than an investment in a start up this year!

I'd be keeping my coin in Bitcoin, let the start ups earn income through their operations or direct investment from their founders.

Investing is hodling for me. Ther eis no difference for me .
I hodl crypto coins and this is a way for investing.

Be patient friend, assets under this mattress will be used as soon as the Bitcoin holder is bored with hard fork and saturation in the Bitcoin market I think it will happen in 2018

You speak as if bitcoin is a company and people need to invest for it to succeed. People can profit greatly holding bitcoin, as we've already seen, the only thing that can hurt them is if they hold too long, but that is the same with an investment, you can leave it too long and eventually it goes bad.

Agreed. It's getting annoying that everyone simply recommends others to keep holding their coins. That is literally creating a bubble.
Investing is a way better option. You're supposed to invest in things you believe in, not to HODL trash you think could grow in value soon. That's just a really stupid attitude.

For some reason, people blindly invest, hoping to make a lot of money, whilst they forget that they should try to think for themselves a bit as well.
A lot of people who own Bitcoins, don't even know what it's for exactly. They just think "It has a limited supply, so its price can only go up in the long-term". That's what they're told and that's the only thing they know, sadly.

I am also into other projects especially new ICOs that I believe got the potential to survive and grow under the very competitive environment we are in right now. You see, last year when I started investing in new ICOs I was then so blind assuming that ICOs will really be growing then I realized that it is not true with all the projects I chose. Some made it and many do not and out of those who made it the growth is not comparable to just hodling the Bitcoin. That was then discouraging.

Idk if trolling or not but the message is clear yet you can't force people to just invest their money into something they don't fully understand. Shelling some money for bitcoin is already a huge leap, how about using that bitcoin to invest into other ventures that could make you more money? Some dudes just can't wrap it around their heads and think that it's okay to just have their bitcoins safe in their bedside. It's true that they're getting something from it, but the question is are they really helping bitcoin to progress in some way by just letting their coins rot in their wallets?

Why would you tell people to spend their Bitcoin right before the launch of Bitcoin Futures?. The last thing we should do is go into 'selling' mode or 'investment mode', otherwise, the price will plummet at light speed.
But I doubt anyone would get persuaded into selling their coins, or spend their btc investing in god knows what, especially now when the price is going down.
Let people do whatever they want with their btc, eventually, those holding btc will spend their coins so, no need to panic.

INWEST merge of "investing" and "go west"

INWEST is opposit to HODL

Just trying the convince people stop playing nonse Hold game holding bitcoin just with hope it will make them rich because there will be more buyers - this is classical ponzi game

Invest I mean is not really classical investment of money.
Bitcoin made it possible that other cryptocoins start to use blockchain in different fields of life.

About ICO:
-in which ICO or alt you will Investing sure matters, you need to make research before buying, because there are for sure a lot of shit coins made just to steal peoples money...

Making profit with other coins
-sure any investment is mainly for making profit, but there are a few coins with vision for changing the world: Tesla is still no making profit but it is a vision that will remain forever making history and changing the world. his kind of investment will come back to you in other ways , e.g. making your life better

Bitcoin as investment
- it is already long time that bitcoin made any innovation or technological progress, It have been de-gradated into pure speculation object, this makes me sad.

Since you are raging against all the holders can we know what kind of projects have you created or in which you have invested your bitcoin? I suppose you have done it taking in consideration the long rant against us, if you have not then you have no right to tell to us what to do with our money.

Not every one who holds bitcoin would be ready to invest in other crypto currencies which are highly volatile and lose their investments.No one could guarantee them that crypto currencies would give profit only.That's why,they feel comfortable by just holding their bitcoins which surprisingly gives them very huge returns.

Yes not everyone are ready yet to invest in other altcoins because most attention these days are into bitcoin. Bitcoin price is very fluctuating so most are holding bitcoin. Price surge up so holding is the best these days in order to earn more.

it depends wether you are a trader or investor.

There's a whole board for Bitcoin investments: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=78.0
Guess what? It's filled with ponzis, hypes and scams, because there's really not many Bitcoin startups out there - startups in crypto space today tend to run ICO's or get fiat funding for centralized private blockchains. The easiest and safest thing you can do is to invest in a trusted crowdfunded casino, but this will only benefit the gambling industry, which is already pretty big and thriving. And actually, there's no need to create some Bitcoin-only businesses, we just need to get Bitcoin accepted by existing ones, while startups should be focusing on innovative applications that can utilize Bitcoin's blockchain in some new ways.

You are right everyone is just hodling their btc this is making btc look much like a bubble. I dont even term it as a currency when it comes to financial market because to be a currency it must have a stable price. Its more of a commodity which isnt even derivative not backed by any asset or security

I do think Op has a point on investing thru ICO that is legit and have promising future but the same time we can’t blame others not to because ICO banning in most country because of scamming developers is nerve racking. So most rather hold when the prices also is increasing more than any other alternative coins available. I don’t know what he mean by it hurts the economy but let it be.

both strategies are beneficial, if we stop the other, we might lose important gains, if we hodl, we are also investing since part of hodling is investing as well, we need to do cost averaging and watch our capital gains go up, if not buy whenever the market is low. let us not get messed up with the two, when it comes to investing, we also need to hodl our investments and take profit whenever we feel we already have enough gains and reinvest again, we should also consider doing a strategy and stopping hodling may be a part one's strategy but it is not advisable sine the market it volatile, there will be times that we're going to lose in someway, it may not be the value but the number of bitcoins that we have, and it does make a huge difference in the long run.

Hodling or Investing it would depend on one's focus and target on Bitcoin. A trader would sell off to amass profit and then buy the dip to continue the ride after the correctiont. While an investor or holder would keep the coins and allow them gather profit over the years. For me, I would sell because I am more of a trader than a hodler.

Continuous holding will affect the crypto currencies development as the arm of having digital money is to be use as really money that is for exchange for goods and services. You should note that bitcoin has been getting pump because of the influence of speculatiors and the  plan for future and margin trading. I hold this will not kill bitcoin on a long run

I think investing and holding are interconnected especially here in crypto world. An investor would typically invest to a certain coin and would hold it for a long period of time. It cannot be investing then sell it already because i think it will fall under trading.. So the best thing is to hold and invest.

I don't think that bitcoin is being held at one place because if it would have been like that then it would have never achieved these heights which is concrete proof of its use. Bitcoin is already in circulation being trades to invest into different projects as well it is being used as the medium to send the money from one place to place which is the only core objective of the bitcoin.

Besides that if people are holding it then thats even better for its price increase, as do not forget that we always have demand/supply ration unstable. The more the demand and the lesser is the supply the costlier things will become. With current old holders it doesn't matter anything as new people are coming into market everyday and there is still 60%++ population who is not into bitcoin yet. Just imagine what will happen at that time when the coin is already risen to this high.

i think it is the best time to invest and hold some of your bitcoin now because the price of bitcoin is still not too high and still increasing with high rate most probably due to investment of more and more people and in future more and more people are taking interest in bitcoin so in future you can make enough profit.

I'm agree with your statement, holding bitcoin does more harm than good for this niche economy, i would certainly against acts of scoping lots of bitcoins over years, this just making the supply lesser and lesser which reduces the usability, and the fact bitcoin's transaction fee wouldn't scale with these act, making a cheap transaction entirely impossible for purchases less than $10, those exchange releasing 'future bitcoins' that leases nothing but papers are even worse, they are being further centralized by big players.

I do understand your point of investing money but according to me this is not the right situation to invest our BTC into altcoins or ICOs. Altcoins these days are going down as you can see most of the top coins in coinmarketcap with a red % on the list. ICOs these days aren't performing good as well and there very few ICOs that are genuine and are working towards the progress of crypto economy. Holding is the best thing to do at the moment. Apart from that there are too many forks upcoming in this month and that is a strong reason why people will be holding their coins than investing in some other services. May be after all the mess is over then we may consider investing it in good coins/ICOs .

If those hodlers are willing to take the risk, then investing their assets will really be a good thing for them. But I must say that not all hodlers will just stay a hodler forever. I mean, I consider myself as one of those but I TBH, I really use my assets to invest to other cryptos that I see has a huge potential in the future. Sometimes, hodlers have their own reason as to why they are not risking their assets, maybe their want to play it safe or just waiting for a perfect moment to use it otherwise is useful things.

Every individual has their goals of plrice like you said and well said. Investing on bitcoin ofcourse holding dont have a limit whatsoever.
Youre right we dont want that kind of an exchange to be put up like a cage and limit your earnings. Regulating such a high priced currency is kind of offending to those who earn independently and me haha.

Holding is what making the bitcoin bubble bigger and bigger. Everyone is just buying and holding their BTC. No one wants to sell it.
This is why many are saying that the Bitcoin bubble will explode soon and take down everybody with it. I do agree with your point. Money has to be circulated for it to be healthy. It is like our body where we have to exercise to stay healthy. If we keep on eating and resting at one place then we will get obese and diseases will start attacking us.

but I do not agree with you. because this investment is different from what you say, when we hold and without selling it, it indicates that we are expecting a return on investment

I totally agree with you, in order to get bitcoin into mainstream we need to use it, holding your bitcoins is against what bitcoin was made for.

I think that if someone wants to buy something from a company that  accepts bitcoins, but he doesn't want to sell it's bitcoin because he believes that it's only way is up, he should buy the item he wanted to with bitcoins, and then just instantly purchase the bitcoin with fiat, so he basically purchased the item with fiat, but he supported the bitcoin network on the way.

We can't expect companies to consider bitcoin as a currency if we don't want to use it, and I think that my solution could be a game changer.

With bitcoin having such a big position in the market, in my opinion is pointless to dispose of money in ICOs, especially with those lacking of a clear project, roadmap and team support. Coin differentiation in strong projects is fine, but investing in something brand new and with no product development is quite risky at the moment.

for me, I don't want for only investing but I want to try to increase the amount of bitcoin I have. I am sure that I have a chance to do this as I look other people trying this too. I think I am hodler type person because I can hodl my bitcoin for a long term and I use a small amount of my bitcoin to trade so I can try to have more bitcoin. with the price now is not too high, I think this is our time to buy bitcoin before the price increases.

I can name some coins behind the startups, but this would be conflict of interest and want to stay on fundamental level of discussion.

However I can name the technologies, people are trying to invent :
-fast and secure money transaction
-stealth anonymous transaction using TOR network
-blockchain based backbone for Web page developers
-Machine to Machine communication

Investing into all this one can change the world and just as additional effect multiple his investment. Some of the coins in technologies I mentioned gain more than 100 times in last year in compare to bitcoin with only 10...

About risks of investment...

Sure it is risky and you must make good background research before investing, not every shitcoin liek "LePenn coin, Putin Coin or Tump coin" deserves investment.

But you can diversify and invest into 10 alternatives and if you miss 9 but one of them gins 100x you get your investment back.

As well I would never suggest to give away HODLing completely if you own more than 10BTC.

The Worth of BITCOIN rises because of altcoins appeard in tousands during this year and not because of bicoin himself is getting better.

Technologies bitcoin use is old and frosty - it is even worsted than a year before having high fees long time of transactions.

Yep, now we have to determine if new projects in those fields are worth something and can pump once and hold  the high price. Now most of such projects are in a huge bubble.
The problem of making new projects is about their revenue. They should earn in crypto to hold and push forward their tokens.

If you do not invest and only hodl a bitcoin, hen it will became a bubble as soon you will get nothing else than $ for bitcoin, when altcoins decouple themself from bitcoin.

For moment you have a chance to invest directly into altcoins. But if $ will be the main fiat for everything and first you need to sell bitcoin to buy altoin, then bitcoin will lose.

Well what can you do?
It is like 70 percent of the pie just want a part of it so that they will have more of that popular money called US dollar.
I am one.
I need money. Aint we all?

I know bitcoin have a purpose but for now I dont see it yet. So why not go with the trend.
Just let it hike and make those who believed in bitcoin be rich then it could go down and serve it purpose afterwards.

I don't think investing in alts right now would be clever thing to do as one cannot predict who is going to go up as right now all are on steep slope of downfall courtesy btc and Investing btc in ico's is completely your call as right now there are many ICO that has been launched but no one is really has that complete trust factor but i can't judge one's trueness that's why i think it's a risk to take and who ever has an that heart to take,take it but personally i would not prefer.

Exactly Reid - that is the point, most of HODLers do not give a f**k about crypto revolution and want to speculate.

But be warned - on wall street you can be successfully selling horses not for a long time if somebody already builds electric self driving cars.

Bitcoin is dinosaur of crypto world - almost useless in sense of technologies and progress.

It is already happened in may when majority of community discovered that transaction using alternative cryptocurrencies are faster, secure, anonym and even pushing innovation - this forced bitcoin to invent at least segwit to escape the dead, that was coming in August.

Segwit2x they rejected and seems no any innovation is foreseen in nearest future.

If all internet community will give up the bitcoin and wall street will see that they are the only one buying and selling that shit, they will let it FALL...

Unfortunately the visions that bitcoin will eliminate fiat and became a basis for finance-transactions is KILLED

It is simply another speculation object on wall street, for a moment very successful, but only in sense of PRICE

The #Cryptocurrencies decoupling themselves from bitcoin more and more.

The alternative currencies do not perform in speculation as good as bitcoin but this is for a moment.

Alternative will overtake everything faster than #hodlers imagine, like it happened in may because bitcoin is just a dinosaur with no ability to adapt himself to modern times of fast transactions and high scalability.

I was thinking the crush of bitcoin will start due to bankruptcy of one of big exchanges like in 2014, but now I am sure the reason would be the uselessness of bitcoin except Dollar/Bitcoin speculations.

As soon as wall street will see that nobody else except themselves using bitcoin they will let him fall.

But for moment we are continuing to way to crush point the $30k per BTC goal I predicted week ago https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/hEmOZ4dJ-BTCUSD-Below-1000-after-Reaching-parabolic-maximum-at-30000/ (https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/hEmOZ4dJ-BTCUSD-Below-1000-after-Reaching-parabolic-maximum-at-30000/)

Buying and holding bitcoin is not that bad, not everyone is capable of investing because theyll be in a need of a huge amount of money before they could invest. Do you think that people will just hold bitcoin if they have an enough money to invest? I don't think so! There are people who prefer to wait for the bitcoins value to go down before they invest because they think that it is a smart move.

You are right but I don't agree with the part of holding bitcoin being not bad for it. Why would it be good for bitcoin if it will be the cause of it being used merely for speculation? What OP is referring to here is to invest in bitcoin without the intention of only holding it waiting for price to come up because of no one is gonna use it, then it would be better off to call it a "bubble" since many are just buying and holding it without the interest of using it at all even a little, they just want to hodl and sell at a high price.

Huge? What you mean with huge?
I started with couple of thousand $ and multiplied it to 5x in a half a year. Some of so called PoS coins multiply themselfs 4-5% per month without trading just keeping them online you earn rewards.
 
If I would not invest my Bitcoins and just HODL would have now a 30% more $, but I am not so idiot think having more $ I am more successful.

Next year bitcoin would be dead because a lot of coins in which I invested will start working and gain more progress with new technologie they invent that bitcoin will never have. Moreover the developer teams behind the alternative coins I invest are know and would gain 10x the current price.


Have you ever asked who is behind bitcoin, who holds them, who develops the CORE?
Have you ever seend them, talked them?

But you trust them you money?

Try to use it and you will see, what happens - high fees, slow transaction....

The only use of bitcoin since alternative cryptocurrencies are on market is a BASIS for buyin alternative currencies.

But slowly bitcoin losing his dominance as of more alternative cryptocurrencies traded directly  by $/€ etc.

If bitcoin will lose his position as basis for other coins it would became most useless cryptocoin from all.

Bitcoin was made to replace Dollar EVERYWHERE, but slowly becoming just a speculation object.

I hoped to see bitcoin as main reference asset replacing $ everywhere, such that anything in the would be measured in bitcoin even a barrel of OIL, but for that it must be stable and act together with other cryptocurrencies and not against.

For a moment all alts are massacred for just getting more bitcoins and this would not end good.

By the way, question to those who claim bitcoin is more safe than alternative cryptocurrencies ?

Have ever anybody seen a Roadmap for Bitcoin?

Do you know the persons who develop the core?

What are he goals behind bitcoin foundation?

You most possibly have no answeres to that questions in compare to many alternative coins with real people behind, bu we talk about RISKs of alternative coins and Bitcoin as SAFE HAVEN .... LOL... ;D

What happen if you're supporting a scam start-up? Investing is not a good choice as all the time.

I think the best way to earn a good profit is just hodl the Bitcoin. Other ways are unsuccessful ways to earn good profit.

I partially agree with you on that, its a shame we are not certain whether we should invest in alts or not, there are much much better projects than bitcoin and it is a waist that they dont get the chance to grow because bitcoins price is full of manipulation by people who only want more money and power, I cant wait till the time where people will not speculate and invest in something that delivers.

Have you check any alternative coin how they perform last year in $?

Time is came, the dead of bitcoin is just delayed for a 60 Months due to hype in Mass media.

But soon the new HODLers will get calm and start to analyse in what they invested - like awakening we seen in May-June.

Inwest related to development and a building right? Investing in the real form you are talking about? I prefer to HODL choose because I think it is also a secure form of investment and not related to any party, but I will think again about your suggestion maybe I will discuss with the family about this a good opportunity.

Hes just pissed out on those people who do HODL off bitcoin rather than on actively trading and investing it which this thing cant really be avoided because there are people who do hold off this coin no matter what even it would affect its circulation then they don't really care at all as long they do know that they do have such possession and thinking off on possible profits on future when price tends to go up.

Analysis about "is there somethig better than bitcoin" starting https://www.bnn.ca/video/~1282048?hootPostID=5960e88c41fc7381372b4b82b8e63a35 (https://www.bnn.ca/video/~1282048?hootPostID=5960e88c41fc7381372b4b82b8e63a35)

As I said - you can't convince people HODL horses if there are electric self driving cars arround

I think many of us may not care for what you are saying and to me I desire that bitcoin should make another upward serious push before selling my holding which has run into hundreds of thousands in my local currency because I have been holding since the beginning of this year till now. INVESTING is good but too risky as many of us do not know how to trade but can easily buying bitcoin and hold it for some time for profits.

Well holding is mostly a safe bet when you don't know whta to do with current situation or just want to patiently wait as bitcoins prices has raised too much in small amount of time so no one can say whether it would go up or fall hard.And for encouraging start-ups by investing in ICOs but there aren't many ICOs there showing potential to grow more and still many of them are fail or scam coins so investing in ICOs may cause mostly loss.

There lies the problem where it's easier to get richer by just sitting on the assets than risking them investing. The glass only holds so much water in this kind of system and it starts losing moisture before it gets entirely filled.

I think you shouldn't encourage people to risk their money if they're not efford to lose those money.

Of course invest is better than just hold but to learn about investing, it's not easy :D. There are a lot of way to invest Bitcoin like trading, ICO project, gambling or lending system, to find out a good way to invest I think people will have to spend months to learn about it. For example for trading and ICO project, there are thousands cryptocurrency and ICO project to invest in but not all of them are good to invest so we need to find out the good one to invest in. But for some people it's not easy to find it out cause they don't have any knowledge or skills to be able to find it out although they can learn about it but to find a legit course it's also not easy so some people still prefer just hold their cryptocurrency to invest in anything :D

How is holding bitcoin any different to investing in another coin and waiting to sell it? They are both investing. Buying at ICO is investing. There are also much bigger returns to be made 'investing' in ICOs or even other coins not in the ICO stage, you just have to get a good one.

Precisely, holding bitcoin is the same as investing in any credible venture  and so why should i sell and buy something else when i can still profit from the margins that bitcoin's volatility is going to create. Holding is the only way here especially if you have little amount of bitcoins.

I wouldn't say that holding is the only way I just disagree with the idea that is not a feasible option. For many it will be the best option. 'Investing' requires a lot more time and knowledge as well as having to take on more risk. For many they just want to watch their money grow from a distance without investing much time and that's okay.

It depends whether you are a trader or investor.

Well, first I would like to let you know that HOLD is quite the same thing as Investment, cause HOLD is when you invest your money into the asset and decide hold it more than the time you’re supposed to hold it because you believe that price will increase ….but I still understand where you are heading to, you are trying to say we should stop depending on Bitcoin speculation price rate and make investments in new coins.

Yes, with available funds and for anyone who can do some pretty good technical analysis knowledge, it should be known when situations like what are about to happen and when to happen, trading will be suitable option. BUt I would not be too worried these at the moment.

Most people have been expecting this massive appreciations for a while now, but the bull just keeps doing its thing so holding would be a simpler and highly profitable choice for anyone. Yes, for those who may really not have any strategy, holding would be their best bet at this stage.

If people don’t want to take more risk then investing is a good option and hold it for good. It really depends on the strategy of one person, if you are comfortable with trading then do it, but for me when your goal is for long term better to invest and hodl.

yes the theory you give is true, do not let bitcoin just keep quiet, develop by investing altcoin existing and safe to multiply bitcoin.

Investing is a good choice but yes you are right, there are so many scam sites and startups that are only making money by deceiving people. For this, it is often advised to research properly what you are investing it. Like even you want to take a start in bitcoin trading or investing, you must research properly about bitcoin, whether this suits you whether you have interest in investing or not.

yes of course, do not hold the bitcoin that is developed and make bitcoin into many, if you just silence the bitcoin then you will not get rich, bitcoin investment in some altcoin like LTC / BTC is currently good.

Everybody has his/her own aim in everything, the same case is in bitcoin. Many people had sold their bitcoin while many of them are still holding it. The reason is that the thinking of everyone is different and also everyone has a change aim in bitcoin.

I think if someone need money then he should sell bitcoin and gain is profit , which will be far enough for him but if someone is not in need for money then they should wait for some more profit.

That's not the story. The hold is as necessary as the daily trades, with the daily trades nois we make that the money moves and all the economy rotate making the price of it is more volatile. With the hold, the number of transactions decreases and the increase of the currency is increasing and without major changes, this is also an excellent business option because many people in holding a certain currency add market value on it which contributes to the valuation.

yes that's true but indeed if you are interested to gain much money you need to risk sometimes and as the matter of fact that is the common ways to be successful which is need to risk to achieve our goals no more doubts if you worrying about huge lose the try a small amount.

These sort of speculative market is good for early investors as they will be making a ton of money with the kind of investments coming from wall street and other big shots who are increasing the price of bitcoin like crazy ,i am not sure how well these sort of price will help new investors,but if you are an old time users,rejoice and enjoy the ride and make money.

I can agree that only holding bitcoin is not enough and bitcoin was not made just to be held in wallets, it should be used actively and that ways it fulfills the purpose. But investing is risky and takes certain knowledge, dedication and experiences and that is the reason why many users just like to hold it, that takes no efforts and they don't have to occupy with bitcoin, it's easier way.

If each and every user starts sending out bitcoins held in their wallet,the network will go down without a doubt,if you check the unconfirmed transaction list ,you would understand what is happening and what is needed for a smooth transaction for now,it is not meant to be sent on a daily basis at least for now,until there is some sort of technical change in the network. ;)

Every one cannot take the same risk depending upon their condition. At present the rate might go little up and may fall back it seems. So better to buy little so that when it falls back you can buy more and then hold the btc . Or else people are now buying and as the price moves up are selling and making decent profits too.

What do you expect to happen,invest in the shit storm of thousand of new projects and coins instead of holding the precious bitcoin,what kind of weired theory is that,if i want bitcoin and it is the most valued asset ,why would anyone diversify the assets and that was a very bad idea who invested this year,i invested over ten bitcoin in different projects and do you know my total valuation i own right now, just pennies compared to the amount i would have if i kept in bitcoin.

Learn to spell "invest" first. Some people hold and some people trade and invest. Holding is not productive, agreed but some people have this sort of mindset that make them think that if they hold bitcoin for some few years, they can get good return with no risk involved. Trading involves risk and not everyone gets on to a good start, so if they believe in it, let's just not let them down. Because hey, even if you had bought bitcoin 10,000$ you would got like 19,000 back as return without taking any risks.

Been in heavy trading to move all my investment bu will be back and response to all.

Inbetween I suggest to hear to Antivirus and Cyber Security GURU John Mcafee about anonymity in cryptocurrency bitcoin future vision about world, and just about do Apple Iphone realy safe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uhPnOyBHQs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uhPnOyBHQs)

John McAfee says approximatly same Bitcoin is not bubble as long as people use it for INVESTMENTS
#InWest or we will ALL lose if bitcoin became something like a SHITY GOLD keeped in safes and under matress

https://www.facebook.com/officialmcafee/photos/a.220653234757531.1073741825.128957237260465/933414476814733/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/officialmcafee/photos/a.220653234757531.1073741825.128957237260465/933414476814733/?type=3&theater)

Please explain to me then how can your red/bolder comment (above) equate to not being productive, when your very last sentence states that a $10.000.00 investment back when BTC was priced at that value, would be worth $19,000.00 today. How is that NOT being Productive ? Just curious as to your logic.

Just listen one thing that it is not easy to "hold and get profits"  OR  "Buy Low Sell high ". Most of the time when we buy or hold the price moves downwards and then the panic situation comes in and we cash out in loss.  There are a lot of factors here and we should be careful of what we need and make the plan of it accordingly and change it on situation to situation basis.

"Sitting on an asset" is very risky, especifially bitcoin, after going about 2000% up in a month,you can never knoe when a massive fix or crash will hit us, so your investment can be considered to be extreamly risky.

There is no problem that some people are getting rich from bitcoin, but there is an huge problem that the makret cap goes up like that, because those are signs of a bubble.

Invest into altcoins or other assets help with the growth of the new startup relating to the cryptocurrency. Also one thing that makes it more effective is the new people getting into the cryptocurrency which will help in widening of the community.

true if we are stuck with very high bitcoin prices do not cut the losses save bitcoin and start investing in coin the price is still low to multiply the bitcoin with an investment in altcoin bitcoin we can be a lot and growing.

Of course invest is better than just hold but it's not for everyone cause to be able to invest in any cryptocurrency, you need to have enough knowledge and experience about it, but with holding, it's much easier, people just need to find out a good potential cryptocurrency then use their cash to buy that cryptocurrency and hold for years :)).

holding bitcoin is an easiest ways to make your investment grow, although theres a lot of chance to make more money by investing in some other crypto coins (alt-coins) but its depend on how lucky you are by choosing a few coins to grow. but in bitcoin theres a big chance to gain more money by holding, but why you recommend us to not hold and go invest ? why we dont have to choose that both "holding bitcoin and do invest on some other altcoin to gain/earn more profits. i think thats the very wise idea instead of losing one.

Yes both investing and holding are the same.If OP mentions buying  altcoins as investing,then there is no assurance that altcoins would give huge profits when compared to bitcoin.Best option would be to just hold bitcoins as it's price is going towardsmew ATH.Entry of wall street firms has increased the expectations more.

Hold or invest either of those two you wanna do the most important is you make your money grow,  holding coin is always depends on the project, before you hold a coin make sure that it has a potential to grow.

It is good for those people who holds their bitcoin than to sell it now .Holding bitcoin is the same as investment wait for the ultimate price until you sell or change it into fiat .

You're wrong dude. Holding and investing are totally different, with holding you only can get more money when the price of the cryptocurrency you're holding increase but with investing, you also can earn when the price decrease or increase. But investing is not easy so people with little invest skills and experience often choose holding only.

Those two are the best options if you want a long term money to grow an incredible amount of it. HODL is not as shitty as you think if you say so your a shitty topic maker well it might be. So Many HODL'ers is rich by it. Investing on real world can be risky but in the end you have to decide which is what. Not like bitcoin you have full access on it you can monitor it each and everytime by using the so called smartphones.

Holding is investing man. There is literally zero difference.

There is no difference between holding and investing, someone who invest in something is for the speculation most of the time, it has always been like this

HOLDING is a type of investment where you will allocate your capital with the expectation of gaining profits from it. An investor assumes of risk in anticipation of gain but they also recognize a higher possibility of loss. As a HOLDER myself, I choose this type of method because I assume that the risk is lower rather than trading. With this kind of investment, it doesn't take out too much of my time as I am very busy with other errands and activities. You can't blame and judge holders if they chose this path. If you'll just look at the current market trend of Bitcoin, it goes higher and higher compared with Altcoins. So, why choose another type of investment, where with HODL, the chances of a future financial return are way above the ceiling.

Apart from panic sellers, most people are now thinking about investing for a long time. For this reason the price of Bitcoin does not fall too much, so Bitcoin's volatility has decreased.

I can't get your double meaning word "INWEST", are you just asking to invest your bitcoins or you mean something else?
We all know that circulation of currency is important to make it alive or grow but you are probably wrong because buying bitcoin is also an investment, the reason why price is high is due to the increase demand more people are buying it.
Not every user is just holding, there are many active traders in the market so don't be afraid just wait for the time when we can use it in our daily life and you will see a major circulation of bitcoin in local markets too.

I agree with you.
we can not force a person into the same mindset are because each individual has a different background.

in general yeah I hate holding , not because it's a bad thing but because there are many better things to do with your bitcoins and other cryptos
like for me I hate keeping my bitcoins sitting in wallet , I always try to make more bitcoins so it's kinda double investment ( more fiat and more bitcoins if the investment is going well as I planned )

poloniex lending in the past was crazy with rates like 2% a day  that was a nice opportunity for example , now at least I keep my coins invested in gambling sites where it can generates me some profit too
trading and investing in other coins is a good option too , but it's riskier

but thats just me cause I don't care about the USD value of my bitcoins , I consider bitcoin as my capital and always trying to make more bitcoins instead of more USD

Sorry to say mate but it was totally your fault to invest in the shitty projects. Ask to those who have invested in the right place and they have gained a lot more. For someone with a zero knowledge of recognizing a good project and a shitty one it’s much better to hold bitcoin. Investment in different project is for analytically skilled people who have the sense of judgment. Diversification always makes it better for you to deal with risk, unfortunately everyone can’t manage a successful portfolio.

The panic is that what I am trying to explain - if people buy Bitcoin due to investing into something for instance alternative coins, then the most of them would not start to sell so fast

But seems the most of bitcoin buyers really only care about current price of their bitcoin in FIAT- $€ etc...

This seems going to became new DOTCOM crush and only the real coins with innovative, technological background would survive

Fall of Bitcoin is accelerating and we could see in next hours the values below the psychological 10 000 after what the Far east traders would wake up from sleep and start to sell more crushing all below 8000 or even more.

And again - all this happens because of HODLers who do not understand that bitcoin is not for MAKING money, but REPLACING Money.

But if you HOLD Bitcoin instead of USE/Invest it, it worths NOTHING.

Yes, now investment is the mainstream. Really find a good project, early investment in it, will have a very rich harvest. As early as the investment bitcoin or early mining people is a good example.

Holding is what is going to stabilize bitcoin price as we can see from the current conditions in pricing. If the traders keep speculating and full the social media with many prediction and we keep on buying and selling based on those drive we would definitely going to kill bitcoin and others cryptocurrency. For now I think the best thing to do is to keep holding and if you have enough capital buying more and become multi millionaire in future. Trading is good when bitcoin become very strong.

that's just such artificial manipulation of the consciousness of potential investors and new users of crypto currency, there is a general excitement in the market. Thanks to this, you can provoke both the growth of Bitcoin and its fall. Therefore, I believe that the forecasts of traders are very delicate.

HODLing any coin will never end good

It is like a spring accumulating energy when you overload it and it either breaks or springs back hiiting you with accumulated energy.


HODLing cann't stabilise the price it is shifit the crush.

INWEST distributes the power among many places and there is no possibility for anybody simply crush the market because it is hard to collect back 1% of the market.

Damn! At last! Someone really had the guts to say something about this!
Sheesh almost every minute i browse through this forum i aleays see posts saying hodl hodl bla bla. Man. I cannot stress enough how much it is more important to invest your assets into promising coins and ICOs to increase you possesions and profits. And in fact, i favor more on day trading than long term holding. The longest i ever held onto a token or coin except bitcoin, eth amd ltc is 4months max. And that doesn't mean i just sat back and forgot about them. I sell them at peaks and buy them at dips. And when the price goes for a big pump that i think will be followed by a bug correction, i decide immidiately and not let greed take over me.

Yes i may have missed a few bigger profits, but i am proud to say i have never lost a capital in all my investments yet. Nit even once.

Since we start the discussion in december there were MOONing of some coins when dinosauria like bitcoin HODLs his prise arround 15000...

Hope everybody now got the point that HODLing brings nothing than "stability" - at some point the grow is OVER because the coin reaches his limit and if you keep HODLing it kills the coin as of nobod cares and want to change anything because of STABILITY and fear to lose when something changed...

Onc more DO a Research and go #INWEST to get profit and push some promising coins developers with vision behind it, who want to change the world and not just HODL

-HODL if you DEAD
-INWEST to be in LIFE

This would really just matter on peoples preference since we do have different targets in life.Some may prefer short term but most of people would really tend to go for long term and not bothering thereselves on making there selves busy on doing short tradings which it is not really simple at all. Diversification is always good rather than on focusing on just one thing.

Maybe you are making a hashtag INVEST and as what i can see it, bitcoin is becoming stagnant the past few days and the graph even shows that its market cap and price are decreasing significantly. So i think it's really time to invest on something new and try some legit and promising upcoming ICOs.

Agreeing with this. There are many ICO's that has a good and clear platform and have a potential in the near future. Do not just hodl, invest some to a worth investing project.

Unfortunately my prediction is bacoming true.
#Bitcoin #HODL-ers are shity TRADERS mainly former forex traders interested only on FIAT/Bitcoin PRICE relations and dreaming of getting #LAMBO on day trades

We will see 6000 per BTC.

But if you are #altcoin #HODL-er #INWEST your bitcoin to other #cryptocurrency.

Alternative coins are going to change the world not the biggest scam shitcoin called bitcoin, without any vision, roadmap, deadlines and any real person ready to take responsibility for bitcoin future.

Bitcoin is only alive due to TRADERS and because of to buy alternative you need to buy first bitcoin an exchange it into alternative coin.

Main law of #INWEST-or - buy any time you have free FIAT and forget it least for a while, means check prices only once a year or at most half a year, to see that company you invested is still exists.

As I suggested - check the price in 6 Months - September is the time to check investment and may be re-diversify...

The information is quite useful, I hope this September has a little progress in the electronic financial market. Going half way over in 2018, it is not stable. Hopefully this time there is much fun for the community to look forward to.

Yes just stop hodl just invest cos if you hold in a week or a month don't expect that your token or coins you hodl is still there be wear by the scammer

Irony of some crypto investors is that they will sell when there is a crash on bitocin's market value or even the crypto assets that they have. They sell at a lower price and then stop and wait for another time when cryptos are rising before they invest again.