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Title: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 12:09:56 PM
Welcome to the Nugget Bounty Thread!

If you are not familiar with the saga of nuggets, feel free to read the original announcement thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256460.0).  It is "amusing".

But...

Now is the time in nugget land where we send out bounty awards.

SUPER DUPER BOUNTY LOG OF NUGGET GOODNESS:

Bounty 1: 666.666 NUG PAID to 21stcenturymoney for the block viewer at http://198.199.121.22:81/

Bounty 2: 666.666 NUG 677.777 NUG PAID toVlad2Vlad, for just being himself!  (update: Bounty amount increased to spare Vlad2Vlad from potential charring and burns from hellfire that would surely engulf him and his wallet, extra 11.111 added!)

Bounty 3: 666.666 NUG PAID to markm for hosting nugget node dvcstable01.dvcnode.org (198.154.60.183)

Bounty 4: 666.666 NUG PAID to markm for hosting nugget node dvcstable02.dvcnode.org (198.154.60.61)

Bounty 5:  66.666 NUG PAID to 21stcenturymoney for getting a subdomain setup for the block viewer http://nuggets.21stcenturymoneytalk.org/

Bounty 6: (Booby Prize) 6.666 NUG WAITING for kelsey, for being the first begger in this thread

Bounty 7:  (Sympathy award)  66.666 NUG PAID to PerfectAgent for not only reading the longest Vlad post yet, but somehow comprehending it and quoting the good parts in the context of a real conversation.

Bounty 8:  666.666 NUG PAID to markm for hosting https://github.com/knotwork/nuggets

Bounty 9:  666.666 NUG PAID to twobits for hosting https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets

Bounty 10:  666.666 NUG PAID to iGotSpots, for the forking of Nuggets into Spots (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259764.0)

Bounty 11:  666.666 NUG WAITING for BitcoinEXpress, for the low-hash-scrypt Time Travel attack on Spots (with a "we miss you" hattip to ArtForz) - Bounty politely declined by winner ;)  

Bounty 12:  666.666 NUG WAITING for r3wt, for adding to the entertainment value of this whole saga. - Bounty rescinded.  r3wt rejected bounty with comment "i don't make deals with the devil."

Bounty 13, part 1:  4444 NUG PAID to twobits, for completing the VGB protocol fix and providing a suprisingly virus-free binary at https://app.box.com/s/blhmif79kih317yqjm7a

Bounty 13, part 2: 2222 NUG PAID to markm, for assisting with the completion of the VGB protocol fix, and lolz.

Bounty 14: 6666 NUG PAID to diatonic for the ABE-based Block explorer at http://altcha.in/chain/Nuggets

Bounty 15: 294 NUG ( 6 * 49 ) PAID to the miner (http://altcha.in/block/7c51990cca63ebce496fe07929061822c16ff3ffbdb804e6f2ba9eb8f80a35c5) of block 6666.

Bounty 16: 343 NUG ( 7 * 49 ) PAID to the miner (http://altcha.in/block/b27e895f9be0a064fa1577eefff086eb79cd933adc2153309a271b1c69fd083c) of block 6677, and the start of VGBness!



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
I hereby award the first bounty to 21stcenturymoney, for putting a nugget block viewer online:  http://198.199.121.22:81/

For this selfless act, and it was a downright silly thing of you to do really, you will receive a pittance of 666.666 NUG.  tx id:  1abbbeb77a1dc24030209146785f3af3b1ebb7b4ace88340a7b2cc5cbc3d004d (http://198.199.121.22:81/index.php?tx=1abbbeb77a1dc24030209146785f3af3b1ebb7b4ace88340a7b2cc5cbc3d004d)


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 12:16:37 PM
Reserved


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 12:17:29 PM
Bounty the first guy to accumulate more than 1/3 of all the generated coins


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: twobits on July 22, 2013, 12:23:27 PM
You guys want the fixed VGB patch actually pushed out?


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 12:28:15 PM
Bounty the first guy to accumulate more than 1/3 of all the generated coins

Wouldn't that be Vlad, actually, if we take a broad view of what accumulated means?     Vlad2Vlad!  I hereby award you the second bounty!   666.666 NUGs are waiting for you, just post your Nugget address here!

 


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 12:34:26 PM
You guys want the fixed VGB patch actually pushed out?

hmmmm...  that would make nuggets even more pure and full of flavor.  A more true reflection of the ideas and ideals that the original developah dreamed of during the few minutes of sleep he could muster.   

So: YES!     Lets get a block # picked for the changeover, new code pushed, new clients compiled.  Bounty nuggets shall rain down upon those who help with this task.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: skull88 on July 22, 2013, 12:36:28 PM
hotcoldcoin bought the giveaway coins, he has a little less than 1,000,000  :D

edit: lol, know I see that is you, I think you can give yourself a bounty  :P


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 12:37:11 PM
You guys want the fixed VGB patch actually pushed out?

hmmmm...  that would make nuggets even more pure and full of flavor.  A more true reflection of the ideas and ideals that the original developah dreamed of during the few minutes of sleep he could muster.   

So: YES!     Lets get a block # picked for the changeover, new code pushed, new clients compiled.  Bounty nuggets shall rain down upon those who help with this task.

Block 6666

How about adding the merkleroot in the lucky number calculation so that you can't guess if the next block will be a lucky one?
I'll ask that to the LORD while I'm sleeping. I haven't sleep for 19 days.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: kelsey on July 22, 2013, 12:45:03 PM
how about a bounty for the 10th post still on topic ;)


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 12:49:25 PM
Bounty for 666th post in the original thread


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 01:12:15 PM
I hereby grant the 3rd and 4th BOUNTIES OF NUGGETNESS to markm, for being foolish enough to actually put not 1, but 2 nugget nodes online, both listening, and then actually telling people about them in the original thread!

666.666 NUGS for dvcstable01.dvcnode.org (198.154.60.183)
and
666.666 NUGS for dvcstable02.dvcnode.org (198.154.60.61)

Markm, send or post your NUG address to claim your bounties!



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 01:22:06 PM
You guys want the fixed VGB patch actually pushed out?

hmmmm...  that would make nuggets even more pure and full of flavor.  A more true reflection of the ideas and ideals that the original developah dreamed of during the few minutes of sleep he could muster.   

So: YES!     Lets get a block # picked for the changeover, new code pushed, new clients compiled.  Bounty nuggets shall rain down upon those who help with this task.

Block 6666

How about adding the merkleroot in the lucky number calculation so that you can't guess if the next block will be a lucky one?
I'll ask that to the LORD while I'm sleeping. I haven't sleep for 19 days.

Block 6666 has a certain ring to it, I dunno why?   We're at block 3080ish now, is that enough time for everyone who wants to join in the fun and games?

I saw some "programmers" in the orig thread talking about the random algo and how best to do it.   Would using the merkelroot in the lucky lucky calculations make it non-hoppable?



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 01:29:47 PM
You guys want the fixed VGB patch actually pushed out?

hmmmm...  that would make nuggets even more pure and full of flavor.  A more true reflection of the ideas and ideals that the original developah dreamed of during the few minutes of sleep he could muster.   

So: YES!     Lets get a block # picked for the changeover, new code pushed, new clients compiled.  Bounty nuggets shall rain down upon those who help with this task.

Block 6666

How about adding the merkleroot in the lucky number calculation so that you can't guess if the next block will be a lucky one?
I'll ask that to the LORD while I'm sleeping. I haven't sleep for 19 days.

Block 6666 has a certain ring to it, I dunno why?   We're at block 3080ish now, is that enough time for everyone who wants to join in the fun and games?

I saw some "programmers" in the orig thread talking about the random algo and how best to do it.   Would using the merkelroot in the lucky lucky calculations make it non-hoppable?

Yeah I think it's enough. Anybody thinks it's too early?

I didn't read the algo posts in the God's thread, they lowered the lulz
Using the merkleroot would make hopping more difficult but still possible as miners can chose to include no tx
We can use both previous and current block hash (you can't chose to keep the timestamp at the same value)


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: filharvey on July 22, 2013, 01:38:27 PM
Blocks are definitely going very slowly. Not managed to mine one yet. But some are taking upto 10m to be generated.

Phil


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 03:00:43 PM
Bounty 5 is an extra tiny bit, because now the block examiner thingy has a real domainy thingy with no numbers!  66.666 NUGS PAID to 21stcenturymoney for http://nuggets.21stcenturymoneytalk.org/


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 03:24:47 PM
Bounty 5 is an extra tiny bit, because now the block examiner thingy has a real domainy thingy with no numbers!  66.666 NUGS PAID to 21stcenturymoney for http://nuggets.21stcenturymoneytalk.org/
>no numbers!
>21
K


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 03:30:13 PM
Bounty 5 is an extra tiny bit, because now the block examiner thingy has a real domainy thingy with no numbers!  66.666 NUGS PAID to 21stcenturymoney for http://nuggets.21stcenturymoneytalk.org/
>no numbers!
>21
K

Oh no!  It's too late, the bounty is already sent!    The more I use the nuggets client, the worse my logic, math and reading comprehension become!

I curse you with 66.666 NUG extra NON-BOUNTY for exposing this obvious scam!


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 03:34:52 PM
how about a bounty for the 10th post still on topic ;)

Not without a suitable meme image, you don't!    I curse you with a NON-BOUNTY of 6.666 NUG, to be sent to you if you gimme a valid nuggets address.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: Damnsammit on July 22, 2013, 03:40:43 PM
Selling 3080 NUG

PM me your offers.

Looking for 30BTC or more :D



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 05:31:32 PM
I propose a bounty for this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256460.msg2781000#msg2781000
He read this post from Vlad: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256460.msg2778554#msg2778554 (yes, this may be the longest Godly post)


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 05:52:09 PM
I propose a bounty for this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256460.msg2781000#msg2781000
He read this post from Vlad: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256460.msg2778554#msg2778554 (yes, this may be the longest Godly post)

He read the whole post, and is still sane?   That deserves an award.   

For pain and suffering in the course of duty, PerfectAgent will be awarded a NON-BOUNTY sympathy send of 66.666 NUG.   PerfectAgent: drop a nugget address and the goodness is yours.



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 05:57:38 PM
I propose a bounty for this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256460.msg2781000#msg2781000
He read this post from Vlad: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256460.msg2778554#msg2778554 (yes, this may be the longest Godly post)

He read the whole post, and is still sane?   That deserves an award.   

For pain and suffering in the course of duty, PerfectAgent will be awarded a NON-BOUNTY sympathy send of 66.666 NUG.   PerfectAgent: drop a nugget address and the goodness is yours.
Not sure if sane
He's alive though, and that's already something noticeable


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 06:14:59 PM
Selling 3080 NUG

PM me your offers.

Looking for 30BTC or more :D


That'd put NUG/BTC at 0.01, oh my, the audacity of hope! 

Some would say that could only happen in Vlads wildest late night dreams.   But not me, I will believe anything!





Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: Damnsammit on July 22, 2013, 06:15:59 PM
Good call.  I'll let all 3000 go for 0.03 BTC :P


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
Good call.  I'll let all 3000 go for 0.03 BTC :P


What a deal!   That'd be 0.00001 BTC each?  Can I also let all 970,000 of my NUG go for the same price?

But wait.  How would I know they are going to a good home, someone who would give them the care and nurturing they so richly deserve?   Now I have doubts.  I better go re-read some of V's postings to gain insight.



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 07:20:01 PM
Good call.  I'll let all 3000 go for 0.03 BTC :P


What a deal!   That'd be 0.00001 BTC each?  Can I also let all 970,000 of my NUG go for the same price?

But wait.  How would I know they are going to a good home, someone who would give them the care and nurturing they so richly deserve?   Now I have doubts.  I better go re-read some of V's postings to gain insight.


Don't call Him V


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 07:30:20 PM
I better go re-read some of V's postings to gain insight.
Don't call Him V


I do most humbly apologize to Vlad2Vlad for my blasphemous words!   I will do penance, and re-read his posts WITHOUT a tinfoil hat this time.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqP2GBKhYPYXTJX9IKfi2MmzEdbBUGEOe5jAu3aNQ85_844buhaA


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
I better go re-read some of V's postings to gain insight.
Don't call Him V


I do most humbly apologize to Vlad2Vlad for my blasphemous words!   I will do penance, and re-read his posts WITHOUT a tinfoil hat this time.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqP2GBKhYPYXTJX9IKfi2MmzEdbBUGEOe5jAu3aNQ85_844buhaA

May you be touched by Vlad's noodly appendage


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 08:03:22 PM
I guess there is no getting around this.    Until someone buys these coins off me, I'm going to have to offer bounties for some normal things, just like all the other coins.   Although I am wondering how much to get a certain someone to agree to post a picture of themselves with a shoe on their head.  But I digress.

May a rain of thousands upon thousands of nuggets fall upon the heads of those who help with the following:
* A block explorer that can search by address.  You know, like ABE.
* A Nuggets Pool.
* Another Nuggets Pool.
* The completion of the one true VGB protocol:  code updates, code reviews!, new binaries, etc, (and with a suggested switchover of no earlier then block 6666)

That's a start.   Those gotta be worth at least 6666 NUGs each, and some probably more.






Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 08:19:26 PM
So generous
Are you Jesus?


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: markm on July 22, 2013, 08:30:37 PM
Using something from the block you are making as well as from the previous block means you can mine harder to try for a winning block.

Just keep changing something to get a different merkle root until you get one that makes your block a winning block. Spend enough computing power on it and maybe all blocks will be winning blocks!

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 08:34:23 PM
Using something from the block you are making as well as from the previous block means you can mine harder to try for a winning block.

Just keep changing something to get a different merkle root until you get one that makes your block a winning block. Spend enough computing power on it and maybe all blocks will be winning blocks!

-MarkM-


Yeah, that's basically mining.
But the process would delay your block too much to hope it being the first accepted block.
That could be a nice race to watch.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 08:36:35 PM
So generous
Are you Jesus?

http://i.qkme.me/3qjuxm.jpg


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 08:51:17 PM
I've heard that the programmers on this board are mozart-level geniuses, and at the same time are immoral thieving scammers.  The dichotomy tickles me fancy.

Bounty 8 of 666.66 NUG is thus awarded to markm for hosting https://github.com/knotwork/nuggets

Bounty 9 of 666.66 NUG is thus awarded to twobits for hosting https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: twobits on July 22, 2013, 08:58:10 PM

* The completion of the one true VGB protocol:  code updates, code reviews!, new binaries, etc, (and with a suggested switchover of no earlier then block 6666)

I commited the code markm came up with while we had a tired banter the other day.  Has two tweeks from the last he posted,  one to change the seed, the other to change the starting block.

https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets/commits/c10a55b8c1718d8ae428885d10dc53aa2a1f496d

If no one sees any issues with it I will build up some binaries  a bit later.



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 22, 2013, 09:35:49 PM
Using something from the block you are making as well as from the previous block means you can mine harder to try for a winning block.

Just keep changing something to get a different merkle root until you get one that makes your block a winning block. Spend enough computing power on it and maybe all blocks will be winning blocks!

-MarkM-


Yeah, that's basically mining.
But the process would delay your block too much to hope it being the first accepted block.
That could be a nice race to watch.

Well no it would be trivial to exploit.  Say the odds of hitting a lucky/super/gold/handOfGod block are 1 in 10,000.  You could just keep constructing merkle trees (by changing the coinbase) until you found one which was a "winner".  It would take on average 10,000 attempts.  A good CPU can do that in a fraction of a second. 

Essentially someone would release an optimized miner and all blocks (as in 100%) would get the super rate.  The advantage of using the prior block is that it is something you can't control.  Even that however does allow a large pool (say one with 20%+ of hashing power) to "cheat" unless the odds vs the "bonus" are high enough that it really has no material increase in overall reward.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 09:41:27 PM
The cabal of darkness must be appeased, let us start with a few:

Bounty 10 of 666.666 NUG goes to iGotSpots for the forking of Nuggets into Spots (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259764.0)

Bounty 11 of 666.666 NUG goes to BitcoinEXpress for the low-hash-scrypt Time Travel attack on Spots (with a "we miss you" hattip to ArtForz)

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHnZ3ivkrV5lhOJGM2CWZwdbV0_PytPci_5v60pvOqV2RePInKTw


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 22, 2013, 09:53:04 PM

* The completion of the one true VGB protocol:  code updates, code reviews!, new binaries, etc, (and with a suggested switchover of no earlier then block 6666)

I commited the code markm came up with while we had a tired banter the other day.  Has two tweeks from the last he posted,  one to change the seed, the other to change the starting block.

https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets/commits/c10a55b8c1718d8ae428885d10dc53aa2a1f496d

If no one sees any issues with it I will build up some binaries  a bit later.

I thought for a moment there was an issue with not doing a else for the 0 award blocks #3 to 249.  But I was wrong.  I see that it'd just pass through the if statement and return the initialized setting of int64 nSubsidy = 0 * COIN.   Seems OK.



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 10:05:27 PM
Using something from the block you are making as well as from the previous block means you can mine harder to try for a winning block.

Just keep changing something to get a different merkle root until you get one that makes your block a winning block. Spend enough computing power on it and maybe all blocks will be winning blocks!

-MarkM-


Yeah, that's basically mining.
But the process would delay your block too much to hope it being the first accepted block.
That could be a nice race to watch.

Well no it would be trivial to exploit.  Say the odds of hitting a lucky/super/gold/handOfGod block are 1 in 10,000.  You could just keep constructing merkle trees (by changing the coinbase) until you found one which was a "winner".  It would take on average 10,000 attempts.  A good CPU can do that in a fraction of a second. 

Essentially someone would release an optimized miner and all blocks (as in 100%) would get the super rate.  The advantage of using the prior block is that it is something you can't control.  Even that however does allow a large pool (say one with 20%+ of hashing power) to "cheat" unless the odds vs the "bonus" are high enough that it really has no material increase in overall reward.
How is changing the coinbase any different from changing the nonce? In both cases you have to compute a new hash.
So yes of course you could keep constructing other merkletrees but finding one which makes the block hash (i) below the target and (ii) complying with the super block rule would take 10,000 more time than just (i). So by the time you found the super block you would be 10,000 blocks behind the blockchain.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 22, 2013, 10:09:22 PM
Using something from the block you are making as well as from the previous block means you can mine harder to try for a winning block.

Just keep changing something to get a different merkle root until you get one that makes your block a winning block. Spend enough computing power on it and maybe all blocks will be winning blocks!

-MarkM-


Yeah, that's basically mining.
But the process would delay your block too much to hope it being the first accepted block.
That could be a nice race to watch.

Well no it would be trivial to exploit.  Say the odds of hitting a lucky/super/gold/handOfGod block are 1 in 10,000.  You could just keep constructing merkle trees (by changing the coinbase) until you found one which was a "winner".  It would take on average 10,000 attempts.  A good CPU can do that in a fraction of a second.  

Essentially someone would release an optimized miner and all blocks (as in 100%) would get the super rate.  The advantage of using the prior block is that it is something you can't control.  Even that however does allow a large pool (say one with 20%+ of hashing power) to "cheat" unless the odds vs the "bonus" are high enough that it really has no material increase in overall reward.
How is changing the coinbase any different from changing the nonce? In both cases you have to compute a new hash.
So yes of course you could keep constructing other merkletrees but finding one which makes the block hash (i) below the target and (ii) complying with the super block rule would take 10,000 more times than just (i). So by the time you found the super block you would be 10,000 blocks behind the blockchain.


Um you are forgetting that one can use the same coinbase multiple times.  You wouldn't find a "winning" coinbase/merkle tree and then try one hash and throw it away.    It takes a lot more than 10,000 hashes to find a block on average.  Say at 1,000 difficulty it would require 4,294,967,296,000 (2^32 * 1,000) hashes to find a block and that block has a 99.999% chance of being the base coins.  Now why wouldn't you just calculate an additional 10,000 merkle trees (a million hashes at most), throw away the ones which don't produce a super block and only use the "super" merkle trees.  It will still take you 4,294,967,296,000 hashes to find a block but when you do it will be worth 250x as much.  

You are adding <0.001% additional work and getting 250x as many coins.  Nobody would mine any other way.   If it didn't happen initially it would as difficulty rises.  The number of coinbase calculations required to find a "super" merkle tree remains the same however the number of total hashes necessary to solve a block rise linearly with difficulty.  So the profit from the exploit would rise with difficulty. 


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 10:20:55 PM
Either you're forgetting that changing the merkletree changes the block hash, or I'm really tired and can't understand what you're saying.
I'll come back and read it again after a good night. Not like Vlad, I swear!


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: coinerd on July 22, 2013, 10:28:03 PM

Um you are forgetting that one can use the same coinbase multiple times.  You wouldn't find a "winning" coinbase/merkle tree and then try one hash and throw it away.    It takes a lot more than 10,000 hashes to find a block on average.  Say at 1,000 difficulty it would require 4,294,967,296,000 (2^32 * 1,000) hashes to find a block and that block has a 99.999% chance of being the base coins.  Now why wouldn't you just calculate an additional 10,000 merkle trees (a million hashes at most), throw away the ones which don't produce a super block and only use the "super" merkle trees.  It will still take you 4,294,967,296,000 hashes to find a block but when you do it will be worth 250x as much.  

You are adding <0.001% additional work and getting 250x as many coins.  Nobody would mine any other way.   If it didn't happen initially it would as difficulty rises.  The number of coinbase calculations required to find a "super" merkle tree remains the same however the number of total hashes necessary to solve a block rise linearly with difficulty.  So the profit from the exploit would rise with difficulty. 


this is confusing me too.

You can't find a "winning" hash and then change the merkle root for the block you invalidate your hash.

I'm not sure what you mean by coinbase, the wallet address?  But, same same.  If you change the contents of the block the hash changes.

it sounds like you are talking about swapping out the merkle root or "coinbase" instead of the nonce?


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 22, 2013, 11:06:43 PM
Either you're forgetting that changing the merkletree changes the block hash, or I'm really tired and can't understand what you're saying.
I'll come back and read it again after a good night. Not like Vlad, I swear!

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying but if the super block is based on the merkle root hash that will be KNOWN before you attempt to solve a block.

i.e.
solve coinbases until you find a super merkle root hash AND THEN
only using "super merkle root hashes" mine normally.

The time to solve a block will be normal and you will always have a super block.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: coinerd on July 22, 2013, 11:12:49 PM
Either you're forgetting that changing the merkletree changes the block hash, or I'm really tired and can't understand what you're saying.
I'll come back and read it again after a good night. Not like Vlad, I swear!

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying but if the super block is based on the merkle root hash that will be KNOWN before you attempt to solve a block.

i.e.
solve coinbases until you find a super merkle root hash AND THEN
only using "super merkle root hashes" mine normally.

The time to solve a block will be normal and you will always have a super block.

Now I see what you're saying.

There's still no guarantee that the transactions you have available can be assigned into a "super merkle" root though.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 22, 2013, 11:14:12 PM
Oh yeah it was the first proposal to use only the merkleroot, but just after I said it would be better to use the hash of the current block instead


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 22, 2013, 11:19:55 PM
Either you're forgetting that changing the merkletree changes the block hash, or I'm really tired and can't understand what you're saying.
I'll come back and read it again after a good night. Not like Vlad, I swear!

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying but if the super block is based on the merkle root hash that will be KNOWN before you attempt to solve a block.

i.e.
solve coinbases until you find a super merkle root hash AND THEN
only using "super merkle root hashes" mine normally.

The time to solve a block will be normal and you will always have a super block.

Now I see what you're saying.

There's still no guarantee that the transactions you have available can be assigned into a "super merkle" root though.


Of course it can.  The coinbase has an extra nonce field, simply increment that and check if the it produces a super merkle root.  If the odds of a super block are say 1 in 200 it will take on average 200 attempts and you would have a "super merkle".  Now just that super merkle exclusively using nonces and timestamps to produce a hash.  If/when you find a block it will ALWAYS be a super block.

Given that "exploit" nobody would mine any other way. 


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 22, 2013, 11:21:48 PM
Oh yeah it was the first proposal to use only the merkleroot, but just after I said it would be better to use the hash of the current block instead.

Oops missed that. That probably is not exploitable. Still I think variable rewards are really just a useless gimmick.   Today if you want a small chance of a massive reward you can solo mine Bitcoin ... except nobody does it because it is lower risk to accept a high chance of a smaller reward in a pool.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: xan_The_Dragon on July 22, 2013, 11:28:06 PM
Whats teh deal with the 666 in bounties? really?


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 23, 2013, 05:49:10 AM
Oh yeah it was the first proposal to use only the merkleroot, but just after I said it would be better to use the hash of the current block instead.

Oops missed that. That probably is not exploitable. Still I think variable rewards are really just a useless gimmick.   Today if you want a small chance of a massive reward you can solo mine Bitcoin ... except nobody does it because it is lower risk to accept a high chance of a smaller reward in a pool.

I disagree. It's God's choice.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: markm on July 23, 2013, 05:57:40 AM
Remember that the normal way to rape a coin is to jump on it with many many times as much hashing power than it has before you gangbang it.

If you just do a normal gangbang you rake in blocks fast but each block brings closer the adjustment of difficulty or in some coins each block has a difficulty adjustment immediately.

So instead of coming in with 100 times as many hashes as were there and mining 100 blocks as fast as normally one block is mined, which could cause the difficulty to change making you less able to rape the coin, wouldn't it make sense to to spend, say, 100 times as long on each block, trying to make it a 250-times-reward block? You'd go through less blocks thus have less impact on the difficulty thus be able to rape it for more coins...

Even if you had 250 times as much hashing power as was there before, wouldn't it be worth spending 249 times as long on each block trying to make it a times-250 reward block?

-MarkM-


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 23, 2013, 06:40:23 AM
I totally agree. The whole concept of super blocks is pain stupid. Sadly for vgb we can't argue against God's will.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: twobits on July 23, 2013, 06:51:35 AM

* The completion of the one true VGB protocol:  code updates, code reviews!, new binaries, etc, (and with a suggested switchover of no earlier then block 6666)

I commited the code markm came up with while we had a tired banter the other day.  Has two tweeks from the last he posted,  one to change the seed, the other to change the starting block.

https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets/commits/c10a55b8c1718d8ae428885d10dc53aa2a1f496d

If no one sees any issues with it I will build up some binaries  a bit later.

I thought for a moment there was an issue with not doing a else for the 0 award blocks #3 to 249.  But I was wrong.  I see that it'd just pass through the if statement and return the initialized setting of int64 nSubsidy = 0 * COIN.   Seems OK.



All right then,  made a binary of it.

https://app.box.com/s/blhmif79kih317yqjm7a

Lets see what God does with it.



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: iGotSpots on July 23, 2013, 07:01:26 AM
Why are you guys even wasting your time with him anymore? Its not even funny anymore, its just really sad that he shares the same dna as us


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 23, 2013, 07:25:14 AM
Why are you guys even wasting your time with him anymore? Its not even funny anymore, its just really sad that he shares the same dna as us

We're are still having fun
If you aren't then stop posting here and just support your copycatcoin


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 23, 2013, 07:27:16 AM
Whats teh deal with the 666 in bounties? really?

really?  you really want to know the deal?   There is no deal, just bat shit craziness.  We follow the lead of the most bat shit crazy person around here these days, and He says that GOD numbers are the way to go.  


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 23, 2013, 07:35:19 AM
Why are you guys even wasting your time with him anymore? Its not even funny anymore, its just really sad that he shares the same dna as us

We're are still having fun
If you aren't then stop posting here and just support your copycatcoin

Have to agree here, we're still having fun!     

Don't forget to drop me a nugget address, iGotSpots, because you won one of the bounties, and 666.666 NUG is awaiting you!


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 23, 2013, 09:48:09 AM

* The completion of the one true VGB protocol:  code updates, code reviews!, new binaries, etc, (and with a suggested switchover of no earlier then block 6666)

I commited the code markm came up with while we had a tired banter the other day.  Has two tweeks from the last he posted,  one to change the seed, the other to change the starting block.

https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets/commits/c10a55b8c1718d8ae428885d10dc53aa2a1f496d

If no one sees any issues with it I will build up some binaries  a bit later.

I thought for a moment there was an issue with not doing a else for the 0 award blocks #3 to 249.  But I was wrong.  I see that it'd just pass through the if statement and return the initialized setting of int64 nSubsidy = 0 * COIN.   Seems OK.



All right then,  made a binary of it.

https://app.box.com/s/blhmif79kih317yqjm7a

Lets see what God does with it.

Oh the joy!   What rapture!     VGB in all its glory.   You realize this means you are the winner of Vlad's 0.25 BTC bounty?    Don't worry, I'm sure he'll send it soon.  Right after he goes to bed.

Until then, I grant thee 4444 NUG more for your actions, and markm 2222 NUG more for his part in this lolzy affair.





Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 23, 2013, 06:59:44 PM
Trying the new version 1.0.1 windows binary ( https://app.box.com/s/blhmif79kih317yqjm7a ) and all is working as expected.   Even mined a block, just for the hell of it.

We're at block 3720 now, so we have a bit to go before switchover at block 6677.   Enough time for people to decide if they want to join in the fun, and for Vlad to post more interesting and enlightening nuggets of wisdom.



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 23, 2013, 07:29:46 PM
I think Vlad is sleeping


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 23, 2013, 07:33:09 PM
I think Vlad is sleeping

It is so quiet when Vlad sleeps.   But the faithful do not despair.  No!  For we know, deep down in our hearts, Vlad is now dreaming of new ways to improve the entire global cryptocurrency infrastructure.  Joy!


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: frobley on July 23, 2013, 07:40:14 PM
Trying the new version 1.0.1 windows binary ( https://app.box.com/s/blhmif79kih317yqjm7a ) and all is working as expected.   Even mined a block, just for the hell of it.

We're at block 3720 now, so we have a bit to go before switchover at block 6677.   Enough time for people to decide if they want to join in the fun, and for Vlad to post more interesting and enlightening nuggets of wisdom.


about 2 and a half days..
why block 6677?
@ 70s/block, mining currently nets 60,480 coins/day?
after block 6677, this increases to 181,020 including 12 x bonus blocks, am I right?
Low incentive to mine the next 3000 blocks...


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 23, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
Trying the new version 1.0.1 windows binary ( https://app.box.com/s/blhmif79kih317yqjm7a ) and all is working as expected.   Even mined a block, just for the hell of it.

We're at block 3720 now, so we have a bit to go before switchover at block 6677.   Enough time for people to decide if they want to join in the fun, and for Vlad to post more interesting and enlightening nuggets of wisdom.


about 2 and a half days..
why block 6677?
@ 70s/block, mining currently nets 60,480 coins/day?
after block 6677, this increases to 181,020 including 12 x bonus blocks, am I right?
Low incentive to mine the next 3000 blocks...

Why 6677?  I suggest anything after block 6666 (about double the then current block #)   One of those "programmers" added 11, to make it block 6677.  I'm sure there's some sacredness and Godly numbers in that calculation if we look hard enough.

I dunno about the math part, but I may be bored enough to check it out.   



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 23, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
now if someone with a beefy enough scrypt rig was bored enough, I mean really bored, they could rewrite the entire nuggets blockchain.

checkpoints.cpp (https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets/src/95b514ce84276770891ed3757283cfab7cd609c2/src/checkpoints.cpp?at=master)
Code:
    //
    // What makes a good checkpoint block?
    // + Is surrounded by blocks with reasonable timestamps
    //   (no blocks before with a timestamp after, none after with
    //    timestamp before)
    // + Contains no strange transactions
    //

        // no checkpoint now, can be added in later releases
    static MapCheckpoints mapCheckpoints =
            boost::assign::map_list_of
            (  0, uint256("0xb0905ab36adbe7c0894b4c4ff9349374052f93799c97760ab5fb207daee741ad"))

                        ;



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 23, 2013, 08:07:43 PM
now if someone with a beefy enough scrypt rig was bored enough, I mean really bored, they could rewrite the entire nuggets blockchain.

checkpoints.cpp (https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets/src/95b514ce84276770891ed3757283cfab7cd609c2/src/checkpoints.cpp?at=master)
Code:
    //
    // What makes a good checkpoint block?
    // + Is surrounded by blocks with reasonable timestamps
    //   (no blocks before with a timestamp after, none after with
    //    timestamp before)
    // + Contains no strange transactions
    //

        // no checkpoint now, can be added in later releases
    static MapCheckpoints mapCheckpoints =
            boost::assign::map_list_of
            (  0, uint256("0xb0905ab36adbe7c0894b4c4ff9349374052f93799c97760ab5fb207daee741ad"))

                        ;



Don't dare touch my Nuggets


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: twobits on July 24, 2013, 01:30:48 PM
Trying the new version 1.0.1 windows binary ( https://app.box.com/s/blhmif79kih317yqjm7a ) and all is working as expected.   Even mined a block, just for the hell of it.

We're at block 3720 now, so we have a bit to go before switchover at block 6677.   Enough time for people to decide if they want to join in the fun, and for Vlad to post more interesting and enlightening nuggets of wisdom.


about 2 and a half days..
why block 6677?
@ 70s/block, mining currently nets 60,480 coins/day?
after block 6677, this increases to 181,020 including 12 x bonus blocks, am I right?
Low incentive to mine the next 3000 blocks...

Even with two and a half days, it may not go well  Vlad has been constantly saying how it must be hard as no one fixed the code, even though patches were posted the fist day that outlined the fix.     So after hearing that for some days,  we  went and put a repo with a patch and even made a binary.  So far though, Vlad has yet to update the original post, or make an announcement that people should update.  Somehow he things this fix should magically happen or something.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: frobley on July 24, 2013, 05:05:15 PM
Trying the new version 1.0.1 windows binary ( https://app.box.com/s/blhmif79kih317yqjm7a ) and all is working as expected.   Even mined a block, just for the hell of it.

We're at block 3720 now, so we have a bit to go before switchover at block 6677.   Enough time for people to decide if they want to join in the fun, and for Vlad to post more interesting and enlightening nuggets of wisdom.


about 2 and a half days..
why block 6677?
@ 70s/block, mining currently nets 60,480 coins/day?
after block 6677, this increases to 181,020 including 12 x bonus blocks, am I right?
Low incentive to mine the next 3000 blocks...

Even with two and a half days, it may not go well  Vlad has been constantly saying how it must be hard as no one fixed the code, even though patches were posted the fist day that outlined the fix.     So after hearing that for some days,  we  went and put a repo with a patch and even made a binary.  So far though, Vlad has yet to update the original post, or make an announcement that people should update.  Somehow he things this fix should magically happen or something.

...about 400 blocks in last 24 hours, could go to 10 days+ for the bonus blocks to begin appearing, if there's any hash power at all on this coin by then.
I don't read Vlad's posts, too much text, and I'm far too busy, there's not a lot of miners on this 'miners' coin though.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 24, 2013, 07:20:02 PM
about 2 and a half days..
why block 6677?
@ 70s/block, mining currently nets 60,480 coins/day?
after block 6677, this increases to 181,020 including 12 x bonus blocks, am I right?
Low incentive to mine the next 3000 blocks...

Even with two and a half days, it may not go well  Vlad has been constantly saying how it must be hard as no one fixed the code, even though patches were posted the fist day that outlined the fix.     So after hearing that for some days,  we  went and put a repo with a patch and even made a binary.  So far though, Vlad has yet to update the original post, or make an announcement that people should update.  Somehow he things this fix should magically happen or something.

...about 400 blocks in last 24 hours, could go to 10 days+ for the bonus blocks to begin appearing, if there's any hash power at all on this coin by then.
I don't read Vlad's posts, too much text, and I'm far too busy, there's not a lot of miners on this 'miners' coin though.

Not many miners at all, less then a single handful surely.  Contrarian miners wanting in on possibly the most botched altcoin launch to date.  It's good for a laugh.

The 70 second per block average, well that's not happening yet.  Math Is Hard, but my calcs show it more like 200 seconds per block average so far.   It's those darn "High" Diff blocks, you know, like 0.2 and above.   Whoa nelly, those massive difficulty blocks are just too much for the network to handle quickly.  

And the constant question: is Vlad one of the most amazing trolls we've seen so far, or is he actually that insane?   I'm betting on the latter.   If the net makes it to 6677 and forks, I look forward to his panic posts about why it's all bad and we all stole his coin.  








Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 26, 2013, 07:12:30 PM
now if someone with a beefy enough scrypt rig was bored enough, I mean really bored, they could rewrite the entire nuggets blockchain.

checkpoints.cpp (https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets/src/95b514ce84276770891ed3757283cfab7cd609c2/src/checkpoints.cpp?at=master)
...

Don't dare touch my Nuggets

Yummy nuggets!   Seems twobits agrees with you:  commit 7a8ee1c (https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets/commits/7a8ee1ca6de0e32457e72999cd7b389f0c937fd8)

4242 = 4 + 2 + 4 +2 = 12 = 1 + 2 = 3 again!    Must be the meaning of life in that calculation, Fer Sure.



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: diatonic on July 26, 2013, 07:35:09 PM
You know what's funny is that you "fixed" the VGB protocol that was supposed to hit 12 times a day, but a 0.01% chance is 100 times fewer than 12 times a day.

These God numbers make math hard.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: diatonic on July 26, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
I added a proper Abe based block explorer at http://altcha.in/chain/Nuggets

Please send any donation or bounties to NYN3WAEd9TgCKKXVq8cBxCzyH2A7Brs3nb

Thanks!


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: twobits on July 26, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
You know what's funny is that you "fixed" the VGB protocol that was supposed to hit 12 times a day, but a 0.01% chance is 100 times fewer than 12 times a day.

These God numbers make math hard.

Not sure I am getting the humor.  What repo are you looking at?


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 26, 2013, 08:45:47 PM
I added a proper Abe based block explorer at http://altcha.in/chain/Nuggets

Please send any donation or bounties to NYN3WAEd9TgCKKXVq8cBxCzyH2A7Brs3nb

Thanks!

Bounty #14 paid to diatonic!   Rock on you crazy nuggie


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: diatonic on July 26, 2013, 09:34:38 PM
You know what's funny is that you "fixed" the VGB protocol that was supposed to hit 12 times a day, but a 0.01% chance is 100 times fewer than 12 times a day.

These God numbers make math hard.

Not sure I am getting the humor.  What repo are you looking at?


Looking at https://github.com/knotwork/nuggets

The code below is the LuckyCoin 0.01% algorithm, which should hit about every  10,000 blocks.

Code:
	else if(nHeight > 250 && nHeight <= 14726880){
nSubsidy = 49 * COIN; //Standard 49 Coin Reward
if(rand > 50000 && rand < 50011)
nSubsidy = 10045 * COIN; //The super block Protocol Random 250x Block Award
}

VGB was supposed to be 1%, which should hit about 12 times/day.

The LuckyCoin 1% algorithm was

Code:
		else if(rand > 70000 && rand < 71001)	

Make sense?


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 26, 2013, 09:38:01 PM
Makes sense, yup.  But latest code is from https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets   ;)


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: diatonic on July 26, 2013, 09:40:49 PM
Makes sense, yup.  But latest code is from https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets   ;)

Ah, shit. All this forking and lack of sleep I guess. Thanks.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 26, 2013, 09:42:36 PM
Makes sense, yup.  But latest code is from https://bitbucket.org/mytwobits/nuggets   ;)

Ah, shit. All this forking and lack of sleep I guess. Thanks.

Do not despair.  The Nugget is a powerful force, capable of curing anyone of the ability to do math, or even logical thinking.   That's why we like it!


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 27, 2013, 11:52:21 AM
Hop Hop Hop.

I was bored.  I wondered if I could do a PHP script to calculate if the next block will be lucky.   Found a PHP library for Mersenne Twister and made this ugly test script:

See http://codepad.viper-7.com/CbKeAE for a runable version with the twister library.  At the bottom of the code is the nuggie test part:


Code:
/* ****************************************** */
$prevHash_string = '59cfa10a961c23f1e24c343f7034aae54e28b0d39c18ebe36e72e29f091e9607'; // block 5528

nuggie_bat_shit_crazy( $prevHash_string );

/* ****************************************** */
function nuggie_bat_shit_crazy( $prevHash_string ) {

// std::string cseed_str = prevHash.ToString().substr(55,7);
// const char* cseed = cseed_str.c_str();
// long seed = hex2long(cseed);
$cseed = substr($prevHash_string, 55,7);
$seed = hexdec($cseed);

// int rand = generateMTRandom(seed, 1000000);
$twister = new twister($seed);
$lower_bound = 1;
$upper_bound = 1000000;
$rand = $twister->rangeint($lower_bound, $upper_bound);

//   if(nHeight > 6677 && rand < 9723)
$lucky = 9723;
if( $rand < $lucky ) {
 $next_block = 'BAT SHIT CRAZY!';
} else {
 $next_block = 'normal';
}
print "<pre>";
print "prevHash_string = $prevHash_string\n";
print "cseed = $cseed\n";
print "seed = $seed\n";
print "lower_bound = $lower_bound\n";
print "upper_bound = $upper_bound\n";
print "rand = $rand\n";
print "lucky = $lucky\n";
print "next_block = $next_block\n";

}

output is:

Code:
prevHash_string = 59cfa10a961c23f1e24c343f7034aae54e28b0d39c18ebe36e72e29f091e9607
cseed = f091e96
seed = 252255894
lower_bound = 1
upper_bound = 1000000
rand = 737819
lucky = 9723
next_block = normal

I have no idea if this test script really matches what the C code does, or if the PHP twister library really works the same as the C one....


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 27, 2013, 11:53:55 AM
You must be really bored!
I'll do the same in Python


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: frobley on July 27, 2013, 01:08:02 PM
Possible to mine only bonus blocks? Why would anybody mine the blocks in between?
Checked block count now that you've mentioned this, I think it died.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 27, 2013, 01:46:28 PM
Possible to mine only bonus blocks? Why would anybody mine the blocks in between?

Why indeed.   But someone would have to mine the loser blocks.   And who knows, someone could setup a service to track all the altcoins with super blocks (Junkcoin, Luckycoin, Ezcoin, Sexcoin, Nuggets, Spots, etc?) and direct miners accordingly.   But would it be worth it?


Checked block count now that you've mentioned this, I think it died.

Like magic, after I read your message a new block appears!   It only took an hour for the network to conquer that amazingly high 0.234 difficulty.  That averages into 70 seconds per block, I'm suuuuuuure!



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 27, 2013, 02:48:20 PM
Possible to mine only bonus blocks? Why would anybody mine the blocks in between?
I proposed to take into account the current block hash but no support so far


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 27, 2013, 06:12:53 PM
Why indeed.   But someone would have to mine the loser blocks.   And who knows, someone could setup a service to track all the altcoins with super blocks (Junkcoin, Luckycoin, Ezcoin, Sexcoin, Nuggets, Spots, etc?) and direct miners accordingly.   But would it be worth it?

If they were all coins with healthy margins and a future like Bitcoin of course and what you would see is the network limp along at x MH/s and then skyrocket to a GH/s or more on the "lucky/super/golden" blocks.  The larger the multiple between the normal blocks and the super blocks the more the change in hashing power.

Of course all these coins will be dead/dying within a couple of months so it likely won't be worth it but just as individual miners and pools change coins based on normal profitability it would be trivial to include super block rewards into those calculations.

Lucky/Super/Golden blocks are pointless anyways and the Vlad's rationale fails basic logic.  Once a coin becomes large most small miners join pools.  In a pool the miner may individually find a block but shares the rewards of many hundreds of blocks.  300 normal blocks + 1 super block = ~average reward per block aproaches the EV.  The small miner would make just as much (in nominal coins) if NUG had no super block and just a flat block reward of 171 NUG per block. 


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: portice on July 27, 2013, 07:11:12 PM
WTS Nuggets PST


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 30, 2013, 01:23:12 PM
Nuggies network is chugging along.  We're almost to the fork point at block 6677.

So some Super Special Secret Bounties:

* 294 NUGs (that's 6 * 49) to the miner of block 6666
* 343 NUGs (that's 7 * 49) to the miner of block 6677

See http://altcha.in/chain/Nuggets  for the fun



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 30, 2013, 01:28:00 PM
Possible to mine only bonus blocks? Why would anybody mine the blocks in between?
I proposed to take into account the current block hash but no support so far

To appease the noodly appendage, I made sure to include an empty section entitled "Coins that seed with Current Block Hash:" in the readme of https://github.com/superblocks/superblocks/



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 30, 2013, 01:45:26 PM
Possible to mine only bonus blocks? Why would anybody mine the blocks in between?
I proposed to take into account the current block hash but no support so far

To appease the noodly appendage, I made sure to include an empty section entitled "Coins that seed with Current Block Hash:" in the readme of https://github.com/superblocks/superblocks/

May you be touched
Ramen


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 30, 2013, 03:25:42 PM
Nuggies network is chugging along.  We're almost to the fork point at block 6677.

So some Super Special Secret Bounties:

* 294 NUGs (that's 6 * 49) to the miner of block 6666
* 343 NUGs (that's 7 * 49) to the miner of block 6677

See http://altcha.in/chain/Nuggets  for the fun

Both bounties paid!

And we are now in VGB land!   Please keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 30, 2013, 04:11:56 PM
The good news is that the creator may be getting a job as a janitor soon which means he can pay for significantly more broken development in the future.  I hope for the sake of NUG his salary is a form of God's numbers.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 30, 2013, 05:20:31 PM
And we are now in VGB land!   Please keep your hands inside the vehicle at all times.

https://i.imgur.com/CimUt9v.jpeg


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: diatonic on July 30, 2013, 05:56:39 PM
Well now I feel like I need to mine a couple hundred block to see if I can be blessed with the first VGB.



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: diatonic on July 30, 2013, 10:00:50 PM
VGB BITCHES!

I'll sell this historic, 1st ever minted VGB block for 1 BTC.

http://altcha.in/block/43e53d7ba89b63ec07caba9f7362f68c92f4b1c30750bc4fe5261bc61cb47ad8

$ nuggetsd signmessage NgewJrAqhnHehT4QHtYL6CYdYFyGVneJy9 "diatonic owns the first ever VGB block."
HzOi01NsOn6gzJAP+t3GZR2UNnmKZITBQjjN7bF59eqF61rhzHI1m/Dz1WOnaxalyWAlVmrJim1hywyfQoIryck=


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on July 30, 2013, 10:07:11 PM
VGB BITCHES!

I'll sell this historic, 1st ever minted VGB block for 1 BTC.

http://altcha.in/block/43e53d7ba89b63ec07caba9f7362f68c92f4b1c30750bc4fe5261bc61cb47ad8

$ nuggetsd signmessage NgewJrAqhnHehT4QHtYL6CYdYFyGVneJy9 "diatonic owns the first ever VGB block."
HzOi01NsOn6gzJAP+t3GZR2UNnmKZITBQjjN7bF59eqF61rhzHI1m/Dz1WOnaxalyWAlVmrJim1hywyfQoIryck=

Oooh.. now I can test the Nug predictor script (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264740.0):

Code:
# Block 6828
# Hash: 43e53d7ba89b63ec07caba9f7362f68c92f4b1c30750bc4fe5261bc61cb47ad8
# Previous Block: 86b707fad8477ce7c30bcfdf90e4371bc45751bf76f4b3c3253e3d16a7cc4be3
$ ./nug 86b707fad8477ce7c30bcfdf90e4371bc45751bf76f4b3c3253e3d16a7cc4be3
prevHash: 86b707fad8477ce7c30bcfdf90e4371bc45751bf76f4b3c3253e3d16a7cc4be3
cseed: 6a7cc4b
seed: 111660107
rand: 7030
lucky: < 9723
Next Block: nSubsidy = 10045 * COIN

It worked!

Now testing your message signature.... Verified!

You lucky devil ;)




Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: jackjack on July 30, 2013, 10:24:31 PM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT

http://www.getservekeep.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/It-worked-graphic.001.jpg


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: diatonic on July 30, 2013, 10:33:03 PM
WTS: Historic NUG wallet.

(thought I better cross-post this here)

Ok, here's the official launch of Nuggets.  Let's see how the  VGB protocol reacts when coded within a coin.

This is how it reacts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260512.msg2835054#msg2835054). I found the first ever minted Nuggets (NUG) VGB block on July 30th, 2013 at 3:52PM MDT.

First of all I'd like to thank my parents, without whom this would never have happened. I'd also like to thank Vlad, Without his vision for Nuggets this would not have been possible. I'd also like to thank my lord & saviour Jesus Christ.

I'm offering this first VGB block up to a crypto currency collector for the sum of 1 BTC. I'll sell the whole wallet for 5 BTC, which contains 300,000 giveaway NUGs, 6,666 bounty NUGs, and 70 mined blocks, one of which is the historic first VGB block.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: Vlad2Vlad on August 01, 2013, 04:23:43 AM
Bounty 5 is an extra tiny bit, because now the block examiner thingy has a real domainy thingy with no numbers!  66.666 NUGS PAID to 21stcenturymoney for http://nuggets.21stcenturymoneytalk.org/
>no numbers!
>21
K

Oh no!  It's too late, the bounty is already sent!    The more I use the nuggets client, the worse my logic, math and reading comprehension become!

I curse you with 66.666 NUG extra NON-BOUNTY for exposing this obvious scam!




Hahahaahhaaaaa.


I can't believe I've just now noticed this thread.

Man, I'm getting more laughs than my thread.  Thanks for putting some of that clever money to good use HotCold.  Isn't it funny how I listened and gave them all away to the first random 16 wallet address posted and now the same exact people are bitching that I didn't give them away the "right" way, like to the miners.  As if the 4 miners would have been a fair way - these people would bitch it NUGs went to $100 per coin.

But thanks for the bounties and for the amazing thread.  Even if it is as my expense, still cracks me up.

PS.  All this God number stuff - they're merely Fibonacci numbers.  They make up everything in the universe from the shape and structure of our DNA, to our fingerprints to the galaxies above - I just thought it was a good idea to the and create a coin with those numbers.  I was curious to see if there would be a difference since bitcoin chose a "devil" number (lol) 600. 

I said God numbers cause if everything around is made from a mathematical formula then you may call it aliens and I call it God while those who are really lost will say an explosion caused such perfect order.

Regards,

Vlady!


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: Vlad2Vlad on August 01, 2013, 04:25:42 AM



Hahahaahahaahahaaaaaa.

That's worth another mocker bounty but I'm too broke.  But thanks for the laugh.  You've got some sick originality.   I still can't believe you're a girl.


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: Vlad2Vlad on August 01, 2013, 04:28:27 AM
VGB BITCHES!

I'll sell this historic, 1st ever minted VGB block for 1 BTC.

http://altcha.in/block/43e53d7ba89b63ec07caba9f7362f68c92f4b1c30750bc4fe5261bc61cb47ad8

$ nuggetsd signmessage NgewJrAqhnHehT4QHtYL6CYdYFyGVneJy9 "diatonic owns the first ever VGB block."
HzOi01NsOn6gzJAP+t3GZR2UNnmKZITBQjjN7bF59eqF61rhzHI1m/Dz1WOnaxalyWAlVmrJim1hywyfQoIryck=

Oooh.. now I can test the Nug predictor script (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264740.0):

Code:
# Block 6828
# Hash: 43e53d7ba89b63ec07caba9f7362f68c92f4b1c30750bc4fe5261bc61cb47ad8
# Previous Block: 86b707fad8477ce7c30bcfdf90e4371bc45751bf76f4b3c3253e3d16a7cc4be3
$ ./nug 86b707fad8477ce7c30bcfdf90e4371bc45751bf76f4b3c3253e3d16a7cc4be3
prevHash: 86b707fad8477ce7c30bcfdf90e4371bc45751bf76f4b3c3253e3d16a7cc4be3
cseed: 6a7cc4b
seed: 111660107
rand: 7030
lucky: < 9723
Next Block: nSubsidy = 10045 * COIN

It worked!

Now testing your message signature.... Verified!

You lucky devil ;)





So somebody hit the VGB?  That's awesome!  But what's this talk about being able to scam the system and pool jump just when the golden block is coming?  I specifically said that's what I wanted to avoid and plus, supposedly the programmer I hired just copied and pasted the lucky and super block code. 

You're telling with those coins you can predict the next super block? 

If that's the Case I've had it.

I NEED A REAL FUCKING PROGRAMMER AND NOW!!!


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on August 01, 2013, 06:58:27 AM
Ooops, I forgot to set the thread as moderated.   My apologies to everyone!

Vlad:  There's something important for you to understand.   But because you've only been told this once or twice so far, it has not yet sunk into your brain.   I know it takes you multiple times reading something before you even start to begin to get a twinkling of understanding.   So read this carefully:   

Nuggets is not your coin anymore.   You lost it a while ago.   You don't control the source.   You don't control any percentage of the mining power.   You don't provide any services.   You don't have any significant amount of coins anymore.  You lost it all by sheer wilfull ignorance and utter incompetence.



Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: Vlad2Vlad on August 01, 2013, 07:07:42 AM
Ooops, I forgot to set the thread as moderated.   My apologies to everyone!

Vlad:  There's something important for you to understand.   But because you've only been told this once or twice so far, it has not yet sunk into your brain.   I know it takes you multiple times reading something before you even start to begin to get a twinkling of understanding.   So read this carefully:  

Nuggets is not your coin anymore.   You lost it a while ago.   You don't control the source.   You don't control any percentage of the mining power.   You don't provide any services.   You don't have any significant amount of coins anymore.  You lost it all by sheer wilfull ignorance and utter incompetence.




Here's something you don't get.

NUGGETS is mine becsuse I paid for it snd paid to support it snd spent countless hours to support it.

Just cause you STOLE a million coins with your sock puppets means jack shit.

You can clone NUGGETS, and call it SOCKETS,  but NUGGETS will always be mine as there is a clear definition of ownership in America.

We went through this already.  Open source means anybody can add to the code and anybody can copy the code just like my coin was copied but just like you can't add to Android and then call android yours (samsung adds to android massively but can never use it as their own and call it android) likewise, you will NEVER take NUGGETS from me as that is called fraud and theft - so bring it.

I recommend you take a few business law classes, it may save you from a world of financial pain later down the road.  I'm more than ready for thieves like you!

Good luck with future theft attempts, you're at least good at scamming and deception.  


Title: Re: [NUG] - Nugget Bounty Thread
Post by: hotcoldcoin on August 01, 2013, 07:13:17 AM
As vlad has found this thread, it is no more fun.

Thread locked.