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Title: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 27, 2013, 06:18:58 AM
http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.UfNlS2S9Kc3

Still think BTC makes you immune to the law?

Score one for the good guys.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: ColdHardMetal on July 27, 2013, 06:25:56 AM
Thanks for being on top of it and letting us know in such a timely fashion.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 27, 2013, 06:49:57 AM
You're welcome. I'm glad you appreciate the invaluable service I provide to this forum.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: notme on July 27, 2013, 06:53:05 AM
You're welcome. I'm glad you appreciate the invaluable service I provide to this forum.

SEC agent for forum president!


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Foxpup on July 27, 2013, 07:24:16 AM
On behalf of the Bitcoin community, I hereby present you this award in recognition of your highly valuable and exceptionally speedy service:

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Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 27, 2013, 07:19:25 PM
It's a forum, not an RSS feed. Has all the drugs and child porn fried the collective communities shared brain cell to the point that 3 day old news can't be discussed without confusion?  

And my question still hasn't been answered; how many of you bitcoiners still think you are above the law? Do you still think you can circumvent authority with your Internet Monopoly money?


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: notme on July 27, 2013, 07:40:39 PM
It's a forum, not an RSS feed. Has all the drugs and child porn fried the collective communities shared brain cell to the point that 3 day old news can't be discussed without confusion?  

And my question still hasn't been answered; how many of you bitcoiners still think you are above the law? Do you still think you can circumvent authority with your Internet Monopoly money?

So a few loud people have you convinced you know exactly how everyone who participate here thinks?

You posts stink of arrogance and shortsightedness.  This is why you aren't taken seriously.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 27, 2013, 07:51:39 PM
I have news for you, no one takes bitcoiners seriously either.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Scott J on July 27, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
I have news for you, no one takes bitcoiners seriously either.
Oh dear.

Look at the title of this thread to see how serious the US government takes 'bitcoiners'.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 27, 2013, 08:09:18 PM
No the government takes criminals who run ponzis seriously, not bitcoiners.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Scott J on July 27, 2013, 08:13:23 PM
No the government takes criminals who run ponzis seriously, not bitcoiners.
This action by the SEC has legitimised bitcoin - it's clear now that the law regards BTC in a similar way to fiat.

This is a big milestone.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 27, 2013, 08:23:56 PM
No the government takes criminals who run ponzis seriously, not bitcoiners.

Why are you so bitter and angry?


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 27, 2013, 08:29:42 PM
Who's bitter? I'm actually an extremely happy guy.  Making fun of delusional bitcoiners who think they are above the law makes me smile even more.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 27, 2013, 08:33:07 PM
No the government takes criminals who run ponzis seriously, not bitcoiners.
This action by the SEC has legitimised bitcoin - it's clear now that the law regards BTC in a similar way to fiat.

This is a big milestone.

So you are happy about government regulation of bitcoin then? Excellent, so am I.  I doubt that most of your peers on this forum feel the same way, though.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 27, 2013, 08:39:15 PM
Who's bitter? I'm actually an extremely happy guy.  Making fun of delusional bitcoiners who think they are above the law makes me smile even more.
Except you have not done that...you've posted anonymously to an Internet forum in flame baiting mode.



Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 27, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
I haven't been making fun of bitcoiners? Really?

You aren't very bright, are you?


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Scott J on July 27, 2013, 09:00:14 PM
No the government takes criminals who run ponzis seriously, not bitcoiners.
This action by the SEC has legitimised bitcoin - it's clear now that the law regards BTC in a similar way to fiat.

This is a big milestone.

So you are happy about government regulation of bitcoin then? Excellent, so am I.  I doubt that most of your peers on this forum feel the same way, though.
Maybe they won't be.

Personally, the perfect scenario is to have regulated Bitcoin companies. When it is perfectly legal, fiat will flow in.

The underlying network will remain the same - what regulations can stop you sending an amount of BTC from A to B?

BTC will be like cash is now - there are things you aren't supposed to do with it, but there will be no way of preventing it.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 28, 2013, 02:20:30 AM
I haven't been making fun of bitcoiners? Really?

You aren't very bright, are you?
I'm smart enough to know that all that is necessary for me to see people who think they are above the law (excluding those in the current administration) is go outside and walk down the street; therefore I would not find any particular pleasure in taking a diverse group on the Internet, attributing such attitude to them, and writing posts to that effect.  And I'd wonder about the motives of anyone who would "take pleasure" in such things.

Numerous historical antecedents, when one currency started to fail, substitute currencies naturally arose.  Black markets, which no society has been without, vary as a percent of total market based on factors which are totally understandable.  Currently, bitcoin is something of the former, and depending largely on how harsh and repressive this society becomes, it, along with other substitutes, may become something of the latter.

You'll have no impact on those events, and neither will I, of course.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Foxpup on July 28, 2013, 02:56:05 AM
And my question still hasn't been answered; how many of you bitcoiners still think you are above the law? Do you still think you can circumvent authority with your Internet Monopoly money?
How many of them ever did? I don't recall there ever being that many.

I haven't been making fun of bitcoiners? Really?
Yes, really. You've actually been making fun of a straw man this whole time. We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you. I'm sorry if it took you so long to figure that out.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: notme on July 28, 2013, 02:59:39 AM
And my question still hasn't been answered; how many of you bitcoiners still think you are above the law? Do you still think you can circumvent authority with your Internet Monopoly money?
How many of them ever did? I don't recall there ever being that many.

I haven't been making fun of bitcoiners? Really?
Yes, really. You've actually been making fun of a straw man this whole time. We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you. I'm sorry if it took you so long to figure that out.

Not just any strawman:
http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.5388218.2775/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 05:18:22 AM
Yes, really. You've actually been making fun of a straw man this whole time. We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you. I'm sorry if it took you so long to figure that out.

No, I am definitely making fun of bitcoiners.

Between the conspiracy theorists (which this forum is rife with), the drug and child pornography peddling bitcoin enthusiasts all over the darknet, the delusional true believers who think bitcoin is going to take over the world, the doomsday peppers that believe the world is on the verge of financial/political/social collapse (but believe bitcoin will somehow save them), and the wannabe Gordan Gekkos that think they are "the new wealthy elite",  there is plenty to make fun of.

You can pretend that none of these groups exist, or that they don't make up a large segment of the bitcoin user population, but you are only fooling yourself.  Your community is poisonous, and that is one reason of many that no one takes you people seriously.

I'm sorry if you aren't smart enough to pick up on that, but that is exactly the type of ignorance I am here to point out.  So go ahead and laugh, the rest of the world is laughing at you.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 05:23:17 AM
I'm smart enough

No, you really aren't. Judging from your posting, I'd actually be surprised if you could remember to breath without someone reminding you.  


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 05:32:55 AM
How many of them ever did? I don't recall there ever being that many.


Then you don't actually read this or any other major bitcoin forum (ie: r/bitcoin) because they are absolutely full of people who blatantly discuss circumventing the law through bitcoins.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: dddbtc on July 28, 2013, 05:50:14 AM
How many of them ever did? I don't recall there ever being that many.


Then you don't actually read this or any other major bitcoin forum (ie: r/bitcoin) because they are absolutely full of people who blatantly discuss circumventing the law through bitcoins.


I don't. I use have my time and money invested in bitcoin legally. Some parts of reddit are as bad as 4chan in terms of content quality.  There are plenty of people out there who have embraced an idea and made money without doing anything illegal.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 05:53:32 AM
How many of them ever did? I don't recall there ever being that many.


Then you don't actually read this or any other major bitcoin forum (ie: r/bitcoin) because they are absolutely full of people who blatantly discuss circumventing the law through bitcoins.


I don't. I use have my time and money invested in bitcoin legally. Some parts of reddit are as bad as 4chan in terms of content quality.  There are plenty of people out there who have embraced an idea and made money without doing anything illegal.

Good, if you don't try to circumvent the law, and pay all due taxes on profits made through bitcoin, then I have no issue with you personally. However, understand that you are in the minority in this community.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: superfastkyle on July 28, 2013, 07:33:15 AM
Who even cares if someone doesn't pay taxes on their bitcoin? The government doesn't care when apple or GE doesn't pay their taxes so why should I have to. The government rarely does anything about rich people having overseas bank account and avoiding taxes. Not only that they give the rich cheaper taxes via capital gains. Our government could get rid of the income tax if it really wanted to. Just stop trillions of war spending. So no I will not pay my taxes. This country was founded on people just like me not on people like you who happily bend over for their government

Good, if you don't try to circumvent the law, and pay all due taxes on profits made through bitcoin, then I have no issue with you personally. However, understand that you are in the minority in this community.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 28, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Who even cares if someone doesn't pay taxes on their bitcoin? The government doesn't care when apple or GE doesn't pay their taxes so why should I have to. The government rarely does anything about rich people having overseas bank account and avoiding taxes. Not only that they give the rich cheaper taxes via capital gains. Our government could get rid of the income tax if it really wanted to. Just stop trillions of war spending. So no I will not pay my taxes. This country was founded on people just like me not on people like you who happily bend over for their government

Because you are one of the little people.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 28, 2013, 05:34:32 PM
So go ahead and laugh, the rest of the world is laughing at you.

Not if you brought your Bitcoins at 1 cent each they're not.

LOL  :D


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
Who even cares if someone doesn't pay taxes on their bitcoin? The government doesn't care when apple or GE doesn't pay their taxes so why should I have to. The government rarely does anything about rich people having overseas bank account and avoiding taxes. Not only that they give the rich cheaper taxes via capital gains. Our government could get rid of the income tax if it really wanted to. Just stop trillions of war spending. So no I will not pay my taxes. This country was founded on people just like me not on people like you who happily bend over for their government


GE and Apple operate inside the law and use legal tax write-offs and legal loopholes.  They pay all of the taxes they are legally required to pay.  If a person is caught not paying all of their due taxes, they go to jail rich or not.  Even fame doesn't preclude you from this...just ask Wesley Snipes.

You are not special. Pay your taxes like everyone else. If you aren't intelligent enough to find write offs and legal loopholes, that's your fault...don't get mad at corporations and rich people because they are smarter than you.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 06:05:50 PM
So go ahead and laugh, the rest of the world is laughing at you.

Not if you brought your Bitcoins at 1 cent each they're not.

Yes. Yes they are.

Some idiots make money on MLM scams too, but it doesn't make them any less stupid, and it certainly doesn't stop people from laughing at them either.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 28, 2013, 06:11:46 PM
So go ahead and laugh, the rest of the world is laughing at you.

Not if you brought your Bitcoins at 1 cent each they're not.

Yes. Yes they are.

Yes, but the laughter is just a fake front. What really happens is that inside they are boiling over with jealousy and anger they didn't buy at 1 cent too.

LOL  :D


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 06:15:49 PM

Yes, but the laughter is just a fake front.

No, that's just what you people tell yourselves to lessen the blow of being laughingstocks.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 28, 2013, 06:49:56 PM

Yes, but the laughter is just a fake front.

No, that's just what you people tell yourselves to lessen the blow of being laughingstocks.
You are really a very angry and unhappy person.  Well, it's easy to act superior to a bunch of people posting anonymously on the Internet isn't it?  


GE and Apple operate inside the law and use legal tax write-offs and legal loopholes.  They pay all of the taxes they are legally required to pay.  If a person is caught not paying all of their due taxes, they go to jail rich or not.  Even fame doesn't preclude you from this...just ask Wesley Snipes.

You are not special. Pay your taxes like everyone else. If you aren't intelligent enough to find write offs and legal loopholes, that's your fault...don't get mad at corporations and rich people because they are smarter than you.
Liar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_banking_scandal



Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 08:19:33 PM
Liar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_banking_scandal

Quote
The House banking scandal ultimately involved more than 450 representatives, most of whom did not break any laws. Twenty-two congressmen and -women were singled out by the House Ethics Committee for leaving their checking accounts overdrawn for at least eight months out of a sample of 39 months.[2]

Wow. None of that has anything to do with corporations and rich people paying their taxes. Good job on not following the conversation, though.

You are really a very angry and unhappy person.  

Am I? Personally, I think your just upset at hearing the truth. Keep projecting, though.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 28, 2013, 08:36:48 PM
So go ahead and laugh, the rest of the world is laughing at you.

Not if you brought your Bitcoins at 1 cent each they're not.

Yes. Yes they are.

Yes, but the laughter is just a fake front. What really happens is that inside they are boiling over with jealousy and anger they didn't buy at 1 cent too.

LOL  :D

No, that's just what you people tell yourselves to lessen the blow of being laughingstocks.


"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Seems we're at stage 2 according to you. When does stage 3 begin? I'll buy some popcorn. :D



Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 28, 2013, 08:51:20 PM
Liar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_banking_scandal

Quote
The House banking scandal ultimately involved more than 450 representatives, most of whom did not break any laws. Twenty-two congressmen and -women were singled out by the House Ethics Committee for leaving their checking accounts overdrawn for at least eight months out of a sample of 39 months.[2]

Wow. None of that has anything to do with corporations and rich people paying their taxes. Good job on not following the conversation, though.


I think it does, since Congressmen are on the average, millionaires.

It's very easy to show that if you are politically connected and rich, you get treated special.  Yes, with respect to taxes.

Geithner.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 08:55:11 PM
So it had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, you are just trying to make some tenuous connection because of your severe brain damage. Got it.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 08:59:21 PM

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Seems we're at stage 2 according to you. When does stage 3 begin? I'll buy some popcorn. :D


Do you know what Ghandi was referring to in that quote? (I am guessing no) If so, please explain exactly how it relates to bitcoin....I am all ears, sport.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 28, 2013, 09:43:04 PM

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Seems we're at stage 2 according to you. When does stage 3 begin? I'll buy some popcorn. :D


Do you know what Ghandi was referring to in that quote (I am guessing no)? If so, please explain exactly how it relates to bitcoin....I am all ears.

I believe he was talking about truth. But interpret it as you will. Yours maybe different, neither is right or wrong.
Relates to Bitcoin? It doesn't relate to Bitcoin. It's a retort. (But as I say, interpret it as you will.)

Anyway getting back on track; when does stage 3 start? (No changing the conversation this time, and avoiding the question.) LOL :D

It's getting late here now in UK, I'm off now to count my Bitcoins, then to sleep.  ;D


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 10:53:00 PM
It doesn't relate to Bitcoin. It's a retort.

Anyway getting back on track; when does stage 3 start?

Never. Like you said yourself, the quote doesn't apply to bitcoin.

Using an out of context quote that you don't understand as a retort makes you look like an ass.  


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 28, 2013, 10:58:55 PM
So it had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, you are just trying to make some tenuous connection because of your severe brain damage. Got it.

What has nothing to do with the OP, is your derail into straw man arguments, ad hominem attacks, and general trolling.  The OP had to do with a criminal.  But what you really want to do is attack "bitcoiners".  And lecture about paying taxes, as if you had a moral high ground.  But you don't, not as if a moral high ground exists on that subject, anyway.

You've claimed that the law applies to the rich and poor equally, and I've just proved conclusively that they don't, if they are well connected.

Go right ahead, asshat, with the ad hominem arguments.  That's what losers always resort to.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 28, 2013, 11:31:55 PM
No, the only thing you have proved is that you don't understand banking or economics and that your reading comprehension sucks.  

Why you think that overdrawn checking accounts (which, by the way, are not illegal) owned by government officials has anything to do with taxes (which is what we were actually talking about at that time) or how the laws are applied to the rich is beyond me.

As for the OP, it was about bitcoiners thinking they are above the law. I know this because I wrote it, and included the statement "still think BTC makes you immune to the law?"

I'm not attacking you, I am stating the truth; based on your posting, I'd have to conclude that you aren't very bright (or at the very least, have a shitty grasp of logic). Get mad all you like, you are still very very wrong, and you should probably quit while you are behind.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: EscrowBTC on July 29, 2013, 12:16:55 AM
Congrats for catching the bad guy  8)



Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 29, 2013, 03:08:50 AM
No, the only thing you have proved is that you don't understand banking or economics and that your reading comprehension sucks.  

Why you think that overdrawn checking accounts (which, by the way, are not illegal) owned by government officials has anything to do with taxes (which is what we were actually talking about at that time) or how the laws are applied to the rich is beyond me.

As for the OP, it was about bitcoiners thinking they are above the law. I know this because I wrote it, and included the statement "still think BTC makes you immune to the law?"

I'm not attacking you, I am stating the truth; based on your posting, I'd have to conclude that you aren't very bright (or at the very least, have a shitty grasp of logic). Get mad all you like, you are still very very wrong, and you should probably quit while you are behind.
Hot checks are not illegal?


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 03:36:42 AM
Wow, you really are stupid.

Do you really not know the difference between having an overdrawn account and passing bad checks?  Let me educate you, there are  many ways  (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overdraft) to overdraw an account, and the vast majority are in no way illegal (in fact, with the exception of intentional fraud, overdrafts are considered an extended line of credit by the bank).  


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: the joint on July 29, 2013, 04:01:43 AM
Wow, you really are stupid.

Do you really not know the difference between having an overdrawn account and passing bad checks?  Do you think banks are involved in criminal conspiracy for offering overdraft protection?

I notice a pattern with you.

You ask a lot of passive aggressive questions.

Psychologically, when a person asks a lot of questions in a passive aggressive manner such as you've exhibited on numerous occasions, it's typically a sign of narcissism.  You don't just want to tell us what you think and why that makes you smarter, you'd rather belabor the point and first ask us what we think before you can 'set us straight.'

If you're the auspicious encyclopedia of infinite questions, then by all means, keep asking us a million times what we think.

If not, shut up.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 29, 2013, 04:06:06 AM
Wow, you really are stupid.

Do you really not know the difference between having an overdrawn account and passing bad checks?  

You said this:

If a person is caught not paying all of their due taxes, they go to jail rich or not. 

Down here writing hot checks is a crime the DA goes after on a regular basis - for the little people.

Let's see - is there prosecution for the members of Congress?  For the 10,000+ hot checks they wrote?

Nope.  So there is different treatment for rich people than for little people.

Oh and by the way, if a person is caught not paying all of their due taxes, they don't go to jail.  They just pay penalties plus the tax due.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 29, 2013, 04:36:52 AM
It doesn't relate to Bitcoin. It's a retort.

Anyway getting back on track; when does stage 3 start?

Never. Like you said yourself, the quote doesn't apply to bitcoin.

Using an out of context quote that you don't understand as a retort makes you look like an ass.  

It doesn't apply to Bitcoin, but it does apply to those people apparently laughing at us.

Can I ask a serious question. Looking through your last posts you clearly have a chip on your shoulder about something. Apart from very obvious trolling reasons, why are you actually here?


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 04:49:18 AM

You said this:

If a person is caught not paying all of their due taxes, they go to jail rich or not.  

Down here writing hot checks is a crime the DA goes after on a regular basis - for the little people.

Let's see - is there prosecution for the members of Congress?  For the 10,000+ hot checks they wrote?

Nope.  So there is different treatment for rich people than for little people.

Oh and by the way, if a person is caught not paying all of their due taxes, they don't go to jail.  They just pay penalties plus the tax due.

Again, having an overdrawn account is not the same thing as passing hot checks. That's why the article (the one you linked to but apparently didn't read) stated that the vast majority didn't break any laws. Furthermore, those who committed fraud or other crimes were tried and convicted (as stated in the same article).  



Since you apparently need it spelled out, here are some relevant quotes:

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House checks did not bounce; they were honored because the House Bank provided overdraft protection to its account holders

Quote
The House banking scandal ultimately involved more than 450 representatives, most of whom did not break any laws.

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Four ex-Congressmen, a Delegate, and the former House Sergeant at Arms were convicted of wrongdoing as a result of the investigation that followed.[4] Among these, former Rep. Buz Lukens (R-OH) was convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Former Rep. Carl C. Perkins (D-KY) pled guilty to various charges including a check kiting scheme involving several financial institutions including the House Bank. Former Rep. Carroll Hubbard (D-KY) pled guilty to three felonies. Former Rep. Mary Rose Oakar (D-OH) was charged with seven felonies, but she ended up pleading guilty only to a misdemeanor campaign finance charge not related to the House Bank.[5] The House Bank investigation also led to Delegate Walter E. Fauntroy (D-DC) pleading guilty to an unrelated charge of a making a false statement relating to a charitable contribution to his church. The former Sergeant at Arms, Jack Russ, pled guilty to three felonies.[6]




You can definitely go to jail for tax evasion...in fact, Wesley Snipes just got out of jail for it. Capone died in prison after being busted for tax evasion. Lauryn Hill was just jailed in CT for tax evasion. These are rich, famous and powerful people, and there are plenty of other celebrities just like them who were jailed for tax evasion. Money and fame mean nothing if you don't pay Uncle Sam.

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Under the federal law of the United States of America, tax evasion or tax fraud, is the purposeful illegal attempt of a taxpayer to evade payment of a tax imposed by the federal government. Conviction of tax evasion may result in fines and imprisonment.[1]





Keep talking out of your ass though, you are only making yourself look more stupid.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 04:50:54 AM
Apart from very obvious trolling reasons, why are you actually here?

To amuse myself and provide a counter point to the echo chamber.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: GMD1987 on July 29, 2013, 05:26:34 AM
makes you look like an ass.  
And the Pot Calling the Kettle Black Award goes to...


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 29, 2013, 05:52:27 AM
Apart from very obvious trolling reasons, why are you actually here?

To amuse myself and provide a counter poi
nt to the echo chamber.

Fair enough. Each to there own. But remember it's a doubled edged sword. You are also providing amusement.

But why the chip on your shoulder?


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 05:57:10 AM
I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I simply post the way I need to to get the reaction I am looking for.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 06:06:38 AM
Psychologically, when a person asks a lot of questions in a passive aggressive manner such as you've exhibited on numerous occasions, it's typically a sign of narcissism.  You don't just want to tell us what you think and why that makes you smarter, you'd rather belabor the point and first ask us what we think before you can 'set us 'straight'.

It's much more simple than that, I am making fun of people in a way that amuses me...the questions are mostly rhetorical.

The armchair psychoanalysis was cute, though.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 06:09:29 AM
And the Pot Calling the Kettle Black Award goes to...

Me?

Do I get a trophy?


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Buffer Overflow on July 29, 2013, 06:43:11 AM
I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I simply post the way I need to to get the reaction I am looking for.

I guessed your after a reaction, even before your first post here, hence your careful selection of attention seeking username.

Hey, perhaps you could hook up with 'dank', he's an attention seeker as well. You both would get on like a house of fire, plenty to talk about. Maybe even go out together for a beer; you'd have to pay though, he's broke.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 07:35:23 AM
Oh, I've already dealt with dank. I screwed with him for a while, but got bored of his gimmick and moved on.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 29, 2013, 11:41:28 AM


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Under the federal law of the United States of America, tax evasion or tax fraud, is the purposeful illegal attempt of a taxpayer to evade payment of a tax imposed by the federal government. Conviction of tax evasion may result in fines and imprisonment.[1]
So now you have shifted the goal posts to the definition of a specific crime related to not paying taxes.  The number of people convicted of these crimes is quite small and they are carefully defined in black letter law.  Most people who send in a return simply get an audit, then they get a bill with interest and penalties.  So your broad brush statement that "if you don't pay taxes rich or poor you go to jail" is total bullshit.  In fact your very examples in support of your (changed)premise prove that.  The tax laws have a simple goal, to maximize revenue.  If you go and read some of the cases on tax fraud they are very, very different than the case of the average person who does not pay his taxes.

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House checks did not bounce; they were honored because the House Bank provided overdraft protection to its account holders
So you mean that rich and powerful people do get treated differently?

Oh, and if you look at the history of those events, if Gingrich had not made an issue out of it it would have gone on for another decade unchanged.  And the issue he made of it was political, not based on morality or ethics.  Sorry, you fail again.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 29, 2013, 11:43:24 AM
I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I simply post the way I need to to get the reaction I am looking for.
That is the very definition of trolling.  But the bitterness and unhappiness shows through quite clearly.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: the joint on July 29, 2013, 01:40:39 PM
Psychologically, when a person asks a lot of questions in a passive aggressive manner such as you've exhibited on numerous occasions, it's typically a sign of narcissism.  You don't just want to tell us what you think and why that makes you smarter, you'd rather belabor the point and first ask us what we think before you can 'set us 'straight'.

It's much more simple than that, I am making fun of people in a way that amuses me...the questions are mostly rhetorical.

The armchair psychoanalysis was cute, though.

I aim to please.

Making fun of people by asking them rhetorical questions is an interesting choice of activities to seek amusement from.  Knowing that you've chosen that out of all the activities you could have otherwise chosen, I think that is more amusing than your boring questions which have zero utility.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I simply post the way I need to to get the reaction I am looking for.
That is the very definition of trolling.  But the bitterness and unhappiness shows through quite clearly.

Oh I'm definitely "trolling", I've made it as obvious as possible and I still managed to get page after page of dumbass responses from you in the last two threads.

Again, I'd have to conclude that you aren't very bright.

In fact, even after saying this, I bet I can keep baiting you into stupid arguments that you can't win.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 05:18:52 PM
Making fun of people by asking them rhetorical questions is an interesting choice of activities to seek amusement from. 

Everyone needs a hobby.


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 29, 2013, 05:28:19 PM
I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I simply post the way I need to to get the reaction I am looking for.
That is the very definition of trolling.  But the bitterness and unhappiness shows through quite clearly.

Oh I'm definitely "trolling", I've made it as obvious as possible and I still managed to get page after page of dumbass responses from you in the last two threads.

Again, I'd have to say that you aren't very bright.

In fact, even after saying this, I bet I can keep baiting you into arguments that you can't win.
I have to admit, you have had your moments of deep, keen insight into the affairs of the world.  You have utterly blasted apart vain and silly arguments presented on the Internet with the acumen of a true minion of the lowest knuckle dragging, bleary eyed progrssives.

I must admit that you were at your best...

...when the going was good....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: SEC agent on July 29, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
See? You just can't help yourself.....


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 29, 2013, 09:21:12 PM
See? You just can't help yourself.....

In spite of your proudly displaying such attributes as....

....the acumen of a true minion of the lowest knuckle dragging, bleary eyed progrssives.


I did sincerely ask and will again:

Why the bitterness?

What's with the hostility?

You've ran against a very diverse group of people.  They don't fit your little square and round pegs.  You know?  The square and round pegs in your IQ test?

Just relax, stay calm, do your personal best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIjoE27F-Q


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: tinus42 on July 29, 2013, 09:27:49 PM
https://keystrokesandwordcounts.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/please-dont-feed-the-trolls.jpg


Title: Re: SEC busts "pirateat40" aka Trendon Shavers...another one bites the dust
Post by: Spendulus on July 30, 2013, 12:17:15 AM

A suggestion by no less than FOUR Zhou Tongeds must be followed.