Bitcoin Forum

First things first. This is topic is not to create a FUD rather a true talk to what is happening right now.

Can bitcoin get a hold to its investors to stay on him and keep believing on the power of the king?
For me, I can feel that investors are now turning their back against bitcoin because of this main reason. Tx Fees are very high and slow. It is not practical to be used on daily transactions which I think the first purpose why bitcoin was created.

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Edit. So, I had high hopes for bitcoin since the Lightning Network is on testing phase, I wish it will be soon implemented.

Bitcoin is still the main cryptocurrency and when we will see the announcement of Lighting Network its price will reach new heights in value.

Short- to mid-term things might start to look grim, but the other coins either scale just as bad or are centralized, so I'm not worried. Well, the latter does worry me a bit, because if centralized tokens were to win the race it would mean that the experiment that is cryptocurrencies has largely failed, which would be a shame.

I believe it is not so alarming even if the price of bitcoin had a resistance it doesn't dip so much the price is still great even though ETH is at $1300 right now it is safe to say that bitcoin is still staying with a huge value, I really think there is chance that we can see another bullish movement this year just like what happen in the October up to the November 2017.

On my opinion I think it still can, many still believe on it. And as soon as the lightning network will be implemented. The price will plummet back to a new all time high.

We are here because we fully understand bitcoin and the probability that it will give to us to make us rich in the future for as long as we will just hold what we can afford at, some people become wise with  managing their money just for them to have at least saving in money and in bitcoin.

For me, Bitcoin can hold in the investors because of fast growth everyday. It help many companies and people a lot.

It's still strong but it needs to adapt. Cryptos with better technology are coming out.

I have been reading a lot of threads of frustration into bitcoin. But it doesn't affect me, as long as its giving us an opportunity to get a better future I will still be investing in it.

I think all of doubt that happened now will gone if lightning networks arrived. Though there are issues in bitcoin's fees, I think it is not enough for some of investors to pull out. But if all investors will turn back, I think that will be disastrous for bitcoin.

That's what the lightning network would do to adapt to the situation right now. I have been hearing this lightning network, but until now its not yet being implemented.

Surely there will be surprises that accompany this year. We all know that the world of digital currencies always gives unexpected surprises. Even I who previously did not believe a miracle then this time really believe it. Bitcoin and Etherum prices have shown us that the miracle will always be there.

Old but not obsolete. Once serious updates will be done, increasing transaction speed and reducing commission fee, Bitcoin price will grow very high and Bitcoin dominance again will be more than half of market.

I understand what you are saying. But I must say that if you are believing in alts, then you should believe on the first there was. You should be wanting bitcoins. Right now, it's on its dip then it is a good opportunity right now. Hold btc guys.

there is no believing. there is either power or there isn't. it is as simple as that. and if there is nothing there then price wouldn't have gone up this much in first place and if some day that goes away the price won't stay up long either.

and so far as you can see price is not only staying up but it is stying up against all the attacks and FUDs that are happening against bitcoin these days.

Just because of these defects, Block traffic and the problem of high fees which limits the development of the currency, I think, if can't solve these problems, so the BTC will lose the trust of the people.

yes I agree, but anyway bitcoin still tempts many investors to invest in it. bitcoin remains king of crypto although what you say is true. Yes at this time the polemic is the cost of transactions and delays.

I think it still can hold even with high transaction fees threats, I believe bitcoin can still rise up to cater all the needs of its investors. If I think if most apps supports converting fiat to altcoin, I guess it'll be the time I'll worry but for now you still need to buy btc to buy an altcoin. In my country there are certain apps that you can convert fiat to ETH but that's it. I think Bitcoin can still make up to its mistakes while other coins are making their name into the market.

bitcoin hold makes your money more profit and you fullfill your dreams

Yeah, it happened several time and after a dip a big rise happen. Turned out to be a regret for many who panicked just because there's a dip in the price of bitcoin. There are so many cryptocurrencies where we can invest. There's so much choice but bitcoin is still incomparable.

Yes, it can hold for cryptos with better technology are coming out. Then, it's must be held by reach investors so as that the bitcoin is still exist and can be enjoyed by other people.

Yeah, I think it still can hold, Bitcoin had gone to many dips because of FUD's and threats but stayed strong no matter what. This problem, is nothing compared to what we are benefiting.

Because of human habits as well as monetary and fiscal policy in countries, there is a great barrier to using bitcoin. In order for people to use and access it and to recognize the value of the world, society as well as the government in each country needs to understand and regulate and regulate money. For the currency, the value of it will be universally recognized and used by people.

I agree, the Lighting Network will solve this main problem with a big fee and slow transaction. And then BTC price will continue in growing.

Of course bitcoin can hold. Holding bitcoin to wait for it's value to increase needs patience, a long one. But if we will happen to get the value we want, i think it's worth the wait. We can buy new things for us and the people surrounding us so its a good thing.

patience in holding bitcoin to get high price I think not too heavy. bitcoin will experience a fantastic increase in just a few months after the price drop.

I think, what you say is true. is there a solution for this? to reduce the value of transaction costs and the delays that occur most often. this is a problem we must solve together.

Lightning network is usable right now. There won't be a lightning network release, there will be a slow and gradual adoption period.

Investors are not worried about Bitcoin being used as a currency, they want it to be used as a Store of Value. It would help to

push the price, if Bitcoin could do both. As it stands, Bitcoin is failing as a currency, because greedy miners are exploiting the

temporary scaling problems with Legacy Bitcoin use. SegWit should have been adopted by now, but politics are stalling the

implementation of SegWit on the merchant side. We are losing this battle, but the war is far from over... the secret weapon is

going to be the Lightning Network. {The Nuclear bomb, ending the War}  ;D

Holding of bitcoin will really help you to make more money and more profit. In addition to that, holding of bitcoin is one of the best way to earn high income and it is very effective if you want to earn much income. Lastly, just hold and wait for the right time to sell your bitcoin.

I understand what you are trying to convey. There is no doubt that Bitcoin right now is not what we want it ti be and frankly it has become a big disappointment. However, we have to remember that Bitcoin is essentially a decentralized kind of thing with nobody can be claiming to be its supreme head unlike other cryptocurrencies like Ethereum which has a figure head. I still believe that this is just a temporary obstacle that Bitcoin will eventually hurdle successfully but it will really take some time and maybe even some disunity within the Bitcoin community. Had I wish that Bitcoin has a leader which has an authority to speak and decide for the whole network and project.

Bitcoin $ 14,000 right now. When the market starts recovering promising strong growth in the coming time, this will be a good time to own bitcoin and hold. This would be a good choice because the king would always be the king,

i am convinced that most of the transactions we see in the mempool are spam attack transactions possibly done by the miners themselves to increase their revenue by creating a fee competition that increases it. with more mining decentralization this will stop and also they can't keep it up forever.

and as you can see bitcoin is holding. you may not see the rational behind it but that doesn't matter, it is happening. that is what matters.

Right now in my view best portfolio holding in cryptocurrecy means 20 - 30 % in BTC and remaining mostly in ETH and small portion in ICOs or alts. That will be the best growing and diversified.

yes. you can hold bitcoin. hold to die  ;D ;D ;D

In my opinion, every dip is a golden opportunity. This is a good time to buy and accumulate more BTC for long term profit. For now, bitcoin is still king because it is the brand of cryptocurrency itself. It is the entry point to the crypto world. Development is undergoing right now to further improve its technology. Once, lightning network has been implemented, surely the price of BTC will soar high to the moon.

As bitcoin is facing a problem right now, I would be changing the percentage of my portfolio. I still believe in bitcoin, but it would not be wise not to go and hunt a much more good fish in the market.

I think bitcoin will still rise, more people will join bitcoin over 2018

It is not really about that "not trusting" bitcoin.
Every investors wants profit and we want it to be at a higher level.
This altcoins can give that to us. So what could happen?
By this people buying altcoin using bitcoin then the bitcoin he used will be in the air. That is just the same as a dump.
Regarding the slow transactions, it would matter more with merchants.

Indeed, current fee is pretty expensive and it takes a long time to be confirmed unless we are willing to pay higher fees.
But considering the development and acceptance, bitcoin can hold its value above $10,000. It's pretty impressive though.
The only thing that may push bitcoin to fall down if Big countries ban cryptocurrency trading, such as current issue about South Korea news.
However, in the long term, bitcoin will regain its value and rise again due to the usability and originality of bitcoin as the first cryptocurrency.

Bitcoin is simply a commodity and is limited, the question is why are there millions worth of pictures, simply because it is finite and the whole bitcoin is so limited for the whole People in the world, that is the reason bitcoin will also increase a lot.

Honestly, I have friends who either have stopped putting their money in Bitcoin or have totally taken it out as they were expecting Bitcoin to be a convenient way to make/receive payments. Personally, I think they are right but at the same time, hoping that Bitcoin will overcome this big obstacle from its total domination in the Crypto market.

Yeah, this high fees are killing the bitcoins use as currency people are now looking to bitcoin as an asset to have and not a currency to use. I believe there is a big difference from what it used to be before.

I slightly disagree with you. Although the price stayed at above the 10K level(I was not actually talking about the price right now) the problem of bitcoin is alarming which was high tx fee I was talking about. We may not feel it now but in the long run, unless something is done then we are clearly facing a bitcoin not meant to be spent.

bitcoin is still at the forefront of technology and investors will still follow bitcoin to the end.

I just started out investing in Bitcoin a couple months ago and I honestly don't know the difference between Bitcoin then from the Bitcoin now. What I can say is that I am slightly regretting my decision in buying too much Bitcoin as I thought that it would be possible to conveniently pass it around.

See if I you really think rationally bitcoin is a great project however the sudden increase and momentum bitcoin has gained in recent times we all know its not because of its technology. Its just because people are optimistic for it as an investment. They aren't really taking it as a currency anymore. They want their money to grow which is the reason why they have thrown their funds in btc.

Once more vendors start to accepting bitcoin the practicality will be in motion. As for fees finding the best trading platform is crucial. Since cryptocurrencies are still growing there are yet many flaws to be tackled in the coming years. But eventually even if btc ceases to exist altcoins will grow on a large scale.

The King is getting weaker I guess, I also hope and interventions could be done fast and soon enough. And Of course the politics, some of the big mining pools will always play and will try to stop this.

yes, it can, but I think people will not think about expensive transaction fees, let alone a legendary. I see that only beginners are complaining because of transaction fees. their main concern is the slow transaction. this is the problem of all bitcoin users, so they prefer to hold or transactions in other ways.

yeah this might have sense, i ask myself with this question too how about the small roller sometimes they pay tx higher than on what they are withdrawing, if ever tx fee will cut this might be helpful for anyone, i might suggest about the percentage system on tx rather than flat rate.

    Yes we can hold bitcoin and believing someday bitcoin will go back to normal fee and fast transaction. There are still a lot of bitcoiner inspite of higher fee and slow transaction because the price of bitcoin is still high even it drop down a little. It is still the king of all currency and still the famous and valuable among other coins.

We really don't know the real price of bitcoin cause its really unpredictable and it changes every time..But Holding a bit coin for a long term could also be a good idea and maybe your holdings of it could reach a Million

Bitcoin will remain a major cryptocurrency and the price will continue to increase.

You are correct about this, but let's not forget that bitcoin is still evolving. I remember when bitcoin passed $1000, and then it crashed and everyone though it would never get to $1k again. It stayed there during a lot of time but it fought it's way through it. It passed the bcash fork, it passed the china fud, it passed the segwit2x threat, and now faced a bit of Korea fud. We need the lightning network for sure, but I'm very confidant it will happen during this year (given a few recent news that some transactions were already made on the main network), and everyone that stays on bitcoin will be hugely rewarded by their patience with this coin.

For me, bitcoin can even go to $8k, I don't really care. It still has the biggest growing potencial of all coins, and the best dev team, so even if it fall behind other coins, it will then recover and stay miles away from them.

Truthfully in my idea if you loose something what you want to loose of course you will give up what things can bring you down. Thinking that the tx is very high well maybe in the future it is come to normal again.
Still hold btc if the price is still in the top. Surrender it when the price down to the ground. Btc's pride stand still.

bitcoin can hold.it is the king of crypto currency so far.its popularity is increasing day by day and in future it will be the the world digital currency.so i do believe that bitcoin will live long forever and we can hold bitcoin as much as we can.

very agree with you, it is already starting to look at this time, the investors more glance and interested in various altcoins and buy it at the time of ICO. however, the first can be a king, and the king will remain above all.

I think the tx fee will never be normal again. Unless the lighting network is done or the rate will be back to $1000, as the price goes up so does the transaction fee.

 :)  I believe that nothing will can work at all if the price of bitcoin really has life time that its price not too deep .and hope its still at a good prices ETH even $1000 until now its really fine I can just say it here I. Bitcoin is still here with a huge value  yet we have time eto look at other bullish moves this year that we like what ever happens in this year.

"nothing will can work"? ok then...

yes bro. 2018 bitcoin go to moon and more... . i belive btc

be patience, BTC will remain the KING like you said. look even now it has several problem like high fee and taking long confirmation but I believe bitcoin foundation will not be silent for this issue. it will solve some time in this year and it will be high anymore

No need to wary, some profit booking is going on right now as some people have got multi times return in last two to three years. good news is lots of investor are waiting to catch bitcoin at below level. you can see last few months, it is trading in a range bound. Means there are both sellers and buyers.

Predicting is a big part in cryptocurrencies, especially when it comes to prices, but in this volatile market it is not only the price that can see-saw, all kinds of occurrences are affecting this burgeoning market.

This has led to people to speculate already what 2018 will hold for the cryptocurrency world. 2017 was definitely a massive platform on which a sturdy foundation was built for this market, but what does 2018 hold

Good advice and I support what you say.
I will hit a lot of BTC then one day I will sell it to get big income.

Bitcoin is so expensive now.Its price is continuously increasing. To earn more money as a profit, you will need to by Bitcoin and just hold it.By doing this,you will surely benefited.

I suppose you have not even managed to read the content of my thread. Your reply is very offtopic I was talking about the current issues with bitcoin right now and you have been talking a bit different. Don't go far from topic and sometimes try to read first before commenting.

Nowadays bitcoin is being discounted so you have to keep to a point where you see the highest bitcoin you think you should sell and look for low bitcoin copper to invest.

this is a good suggestion, before the bitcoin price goes up then it should be put on hold first. because the bitcoin price must sometimes rise sometimes erratically. so when the bitcoin price is not stable then we wait until the price goes up. if the price goes up and you sell your bitcoin, then you will benefit.

A lot of people are selling right now because they are scared, or maybe because they see that they can make more profit if they just switch to other altcoin, just like what is happening with ethereum at the moment.

Yes, it is still the case and with the way things are going, it won’t be a big surprise if Bitcoin keeps on bossing for the next 5 years as well.

Now that bitcoin is traveling at a very slow speed and with a very high commission rate, I think people may be losing faith in it.

Well you know bitcoins attract a variety of investors ... And that includes the people who are in not so nice of a business like the underworld ones and when the government has started regulating it...then it's creating problems for them.
They are... Really running to find something else ..some other cryptocurrency that's less expensive with no regulations.
Since bitcoins became the centre of attention... The government is keeping a nice eye on them and that's problematic for most people.

This problem is very real. That is why investors are hesitant because there is no assurance if bitcoin will still attract more users or abandon it because of the present situation.
But try to think about what if they totaly leave bitcoin and jump to an altcoin which will become famous, soaring, or if possible mainstream too. It will probably have scaling problems too you know. It will have traffic and will have high fees. And I think bitcoin can handle scaling problems better than alts.

I love your reaction its on-point. Will we see right now that there is a lot of concentration of investors in bitcoin. But if others will switch their investment to other alts, the scalability will be solved.

I think for weak hands is the term for losing fate. Fate will still depend on your decision on when to sell your investment. This FUD will emerge that will make the market bleed and in return, a better profit awaits for the ones who hold on it specially if its an investment that any one would expect to lose.

Good thinking and I agree with the advice you give because the suggestion is very meaningful to me.
If someday I get a lot of bitcoin then I will save as much as possible.

i believe in bitcoin and  hold some btc. Tx Fees high but acceptable.
when making normal transaction you pay 1$ to send 100$ and with bitcoin you pay 7$ to send 100$

In a week this chaos will probably be forgotten. Does anybody remember august and china banning ICOs.

Bitcoin is still the strongest among other cryptoes and the future of bitcoin is very good, of course it will be able to hold investors to keep investing in bitcoin.

So far, investments in bitcoins become larger. Very profitable investment. While as a method of payment inconvenient, but it is not necessary at this stage.

China threatens - Bitcoin falls. Why China does not like  crypto-currencies  (https://freedman.club/en/kitaj-ugrozhaet-bitcoin-padaet/)?

bitcoin is still very valueable through years, but rightnow its price has dropped too much that makes all of us worry about our decision to hold or sell, but the fear of FUD makes many investors on the world keep selling bitcoin and the price drops lower, so you should stop making panic sell and start holding again.

The price of bitcoins is unstable. The price of bitcoin is very much different from that of bitcoin in 2017, and its price is not stable.

i think bitcoin will still hold it, because early year bitcoin always get down but when the end of year bitcoin will always rise

IMO bitcoin price will not really become stable,not now,not even a year after.Remember that bitcoin has its volatile character,so either in two ways,high price to low price,or vice versa.The market price right now may be so low but i would hold it still.It's my way of making a huge profit through long-term investment.

Have you not checked the history of bitcoin last year when china imposed a ban on bitcoin? It is the same move right now. The dip correction and next is a big bullish move.

Yes BTC can hold itself. I think the impending announcement from Lightning Network will bring some form of stability to investors and members at large. BTC is here to stay

You are talking nonsense, just typing some English word to be able to post something. How come you haven't read my OP? If you are not aware, I was talking about the capability of bitcoin to hold its investors.

Yes, we can hold bitcoins for now because we can really have a good profits in future by holding our coins for long term. Also you can purchase more bitcoins at a good dip once you find that the price is much low now becaue the price can keep going down for few more days due to the FUD and the news from south korea. Lets wait and hold our coins to see something new. Also you can sell your coins if you think so but i would prefer to hold them for long term.

I'm sure that bitcoin will grow and remain the main crypto currency for at least 4 more years.

I think yes I will just hold my Bitcoin rather than sell it because Bitcoin price is up and its getting bigger and bigger as the time pass by

Кaкaя кpиптoвaлютa зaмeнит  Bitcoin  (https://freedman.club/en/kakaya-kriptovalyuta-zamenit-bitcoin/) ? Altcoins grow with Bitcoin, but they are more affordable.

Well I do hope so. I wish a lot more people would believe more kn bitcoins inspite of the overwhelming price decrease. I hope they continue to show their support for bitcoins even if bitcoins costs more than just a measly $1. For the betterment of our future, let us continue supporting bitcoins.

What you said is right. The TXfee and its relative TXspeed is not right but still, bitcoin is continuing to grow even though it may experience some drop meaning the investors are continuing to invest in bitcoin.

Actually the TX fees hurts the investors, but they don't probably care about it because these FEES is nothing compared to the amount of profit they will be getting.

My acquantances and friends have also withdrawn some money from bitcoin. But that wasn't the end of it, they spent that money on other cryptocurrencies. We'll see what will happen.

Bitcoin as the first cryptocurrency, survival and appreciation of space is definitely more than we think.

Million time asked question buddy. Check in the sections here and service discussion. You can find the thread which contains what all your texted also in the body of your op thread.
Use Google and YouTube to know the review for holding bitcoins. Private key and wallet.DAT file secure it before you hold it and should not shared to anyone.

Bitcoin will hold. Although some old investors may back out more people are joining now and majority of bitcoiners still believe that it won't go down easily.

Yes bitcoin can be hold by investors since it was so  big lose of oppurtunity to invest because holding bitcoin does not last for years maybe months or weeks. Still investor can hold it in terms to its price condition simce this month of january bitcoin price was falls down by the first week and its on stable level even now. The reason why we hold our bitcoin is having a great hope that it will rise again and increase to its price and we know that it is possible by time by time passes through.

Yes of course! After all, bitcoin is still the main and the mother of all the crypto currencies that developed. I do believe bitcoin will sooner or later pump again and hit the market with imaginable price. Lets just patiently wait and hope for the best for out bitcoin. On the issue of fees on wallets, we can never find a wallet with no transaction fee. The fees are just, lets say a compensation for the wallet company. :)

yeah,,! :) :) I also agree to holding bitcoin. It's a very good decision to hold bitcoin. Bitcoin is the number one coin. So it's the chance to earn a lot of money and improve our future to hold bitcoin. 8)

Have you read my OP or your just typing any words that came out from your mouth? Your also talking nonsense here. Anyway, the solution for these problem I think is the LN network, testing phase is over and had successfully done. Here's a news if you'd like to read. https://cointelegraph.com/news/lightning-networks-pizza-day-first-ever-physical-purchase-on-lightning-network

in forum a am new .but i trade with bitcoin start many years ago.so i am big holder of bitcoin and ethereum.i think bitcoin hold is big profitable of crypto.