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Title: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 10, 2011, 03:56:11 AM
If anyone is interested, I will sincerely pray for any person of your choosing to be sent to Hell when they die.  For just a little BTC, your arch enemy (unbeknownst to them!) will be that much closer to infinite despair.  At a rate of .01BTC/1 minute, your rat-bastard stepfather, ugly cousin, loose ex-girlfriend, etc. will be overcome by a karmic shockwave of doom created by yours truly.

Conversely, I will sincerely pray for any person of your choosing to be sent to Heaven when they die.  Because focusing on love requires deeper and more advanced concentration, the going rate is .05BTC/1 minute.  How about it?  Why go to church when you can give charity right here, right now?  Imagine your beloved grandmother whimsically whistling "On the Sunny Side of the Street" while perched high atop the clouds.  Picture your significant other hanging poolside with Jesus and the gang.  Get them in while the going's good; more exclusive than any Facebook group imaginable!

So what are you waiting for?!  All services provided are insured by universal syntax...Nothing to lose!  Simply send BTC to the following address, post or PM the name and description of the unlucky/lucky lad or lady,  and let karma run its inevitable course. 

1HMYFJ2dDdUGHdFzmKKYNL13zHxrMPbHQe


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: John (John K.) on July 10, 2011, 04:17:33 AM
LOL. Been some time since I saw this one  ;D


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2011, 04:19:02 AM
I will use your service when someone who has been to heaven or hell reports back to this thread with a review of the service along with proof they have visited   ;D


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 10, 2011, 04:25:23 AM
I will use your service when someone who has been to heaven or hell reports back to this thread with a review of the service along with proof they have visited   ;D

Nice try, but once they're in, they're in :-D  

I don't fudge around.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Tronlet on July 10, 2011, 05:21:36 AM
I can verify that I am chilling with Satan right now, THANKS the joint!!! :)


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 10, 2011, 05:25:09 AM
I can verify that I am chilling with Satan right now, THANKS the joint!!! :)

A happy customer :)  Is the weather nice?


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: WiseOldOwl on July 10, 2011, 08:13:59 AM
Pics or GTFO  ;D


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 10, 2011, 08:46:03 AM
Pics or GTFO  ;D

Here.  Tronlet sent me this picture.  I weep at his satisfaction, but deep down he's still suffering  :D

http://i53.tinypic.com/2ntydep.jpg


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Tronlet on July 10, 2011, 09:22:28 AM
Guys, it's all in the sunscreen.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: opticbit on July 10, 2011, 09:32:40 AM
I offer similar services,

I do voodoo acupuncture.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xunie on July 10, 2011, 09:19:00 PM
Man, if only I believed in the devil. wasn't an atheist.

Also: are there any Bible/Quran passages against this?


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: mimarob on July 10, 2011, 09:23:56 PM
I'm back!!

They didn't want me in heaven and in hell they where afraid that I would do a take-over..



Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 11, 2011, 12:20:30 AM
Man, if only I believed in the devil. wasn't an atheist.

Also: are there any Bible/Quran passages against this?

Well, you could change your nomological definition of god.  Just set truth = god, set illusion = the devil, and you're back in the same ballpark!    :D   Besides, Jesus was a jew.  That's pretty much atheist.  Minus the god part. 

And, since I began this service, camels have been FLYING through the eyes of needles.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: AngelusWebDesign on July 11, 2011, 07:33:18 PM
I think you've been *smoking* some joints.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 11, 2011, 10:21:51 PM
I think you've been *smoking* some joints.

Aw get an imagination.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: mc_lovin on July 12, 2011, 09:15:19 PM
http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0809/imagination-demotivational-poster-1221446581.jpg


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 12, 2011, 09:27:52 PM

 :D  Just wait till they find out thoughts have mass.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xenland on July 12, 2011, 09:29:25 PM
This thread is soo blashphmies, i dont know of any religion thats states that humans have the power to pray to have the choice to where they go. Oh wait mormans....thats it OP must be morman. :)


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 12, 2011, 09:37:39 PM
This thread is soo blashphmies, i dont know of any religion thats states that humans have the power to pray to have the choice to where they go. Oh wait mormans....thats it OP must be morman. :)

When you think, "I want to move my arm," and then you do it, that is a mental thought having influence on physical reality.  Mental stuff affects physical stuff all the time.  It's not blasphemous.  It's logical that thoughts have direct influence on physical reality and vice versa.

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves.  This caused the plant to register a spike on the polygraph.  This experiment was repeated and tested...the difference was, the plant only registered a spike on the polygraph when the experimenter had true intention (as opposed to false intention -- thinking he was going to burn the plant's leaves but was not actually going to do so).  In a similar experiment, a plant was again hooked up to a polygraph machine.  This time, a machine was put in place that would, at a random time, release a tub of brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.  Despite the randomness of the release time, the plant registered a spike on the polygraph immediately prior to the machine releasing the brine shrimp.  In other words, it appears as though somehow, the plant was "aware" that the machine was about to release the brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.

Reality is stranger than fiction  :D


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: AngelusWebDesign on July 12, 2011, 11:31:40 PM
I think you've been *smoking* some joints.

Aw get an imagination.

If you have an extra, I'll take one in exchange for a sense of humor that I happen to have lying around -- I think you could use one ;)



Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 12, 2011, 11:53:22 PM
I think you've been *smoking* some joints.

Aw get an imagination.

If you have an extra, I'll take one in exchange for a sense of humor that I happen to have lying around -- I think you could use one ;)



I used it all up in my original post  :(


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xenland on July 12, 2011, 11:54:29 PM
This thread is soo blashphmies, i dont know of any religion thats states that humans have the power to pray to have the choice to where they go. Oh wait mormans....thats it OP must be morman. :)

When you think, "I want to move my arm," and then you do it, that is a mental thought having influence on physical reality.  Mental stuff affects physical stuff all the time.  It's not blasphemous.  It's logical that thoughts have direct influence on physical reality and vice versa.

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves.  This caused the plant to register a spike on the polygraph.  This experiment was repeated and tested...the difference was, the plant only registered a spike on the polygraph when the experimenter had true intention (as opposed to false intention -- thinking he was going to burn the plant's leaves but was not actually going to do so).  In a similar experiment, a plant was again hooked up to a polygraph machine.  This time, a machine was put in place that would, at a random time, release a tub of brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.  Despite the randomness of the release time, the plant registered a spike on the polygraph immediately prior to the machine releasing the brine shrimp.  In other words, it appears as though somehow, the plant was "aware" that the machine was about to release the brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.

Reality is stranger than fiction  :D

What does reality of physical have to do with anything with the reality of the spiritual world? its two different planes of existence.
and don't spouting off about string theory because yes I believe based off of true experiences the spiritual world is real; its just out side of the time-stream there fore we must die to transcend into a timeless infinite point of nothingness(nothingness is a metaphor in comparison to physical reality, I only use nothingness because its the based way to be described with human language).

Don't think you know everyone :) Peace


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 12, 2011, 11:57:43 PM
This thread is soo blashphmies, i dont know of any religion thats states that humans have the power to pray to have the choice to where they go. Oh wait mormans....thats it OP must be morman. :)

When you think, "I want to move my arm," and then you do it, that is a mental thought having influence on physical reality.  Mental stuff affects physical stuff all the time.  It's not blasphemous.  It's logical that thoughts have direct influence on physical reality and vice versa.

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves.  This caused the plant to register a spike on the polygraph.  This experiment was repeated and tested...the difference was, the plant only registered a spike on the polygraph when the experimenter had true intention (as opposed to false intention -- thinking he was going to burn the plant's leaves but was not actually going to do so).  In a similar experiment, a plant was again hooked up to a polygraph machine.  This time, a machine was put in place that would, at a random time, release a tub of brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.  Despite the randomness of the release time, the plant registered a spike on the polygraph immediately prior to the machine releasing the brine shrimp.  In other words, it appears as though somehow, the plant was "aware" that the machine was about to release the brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.

Reality is stranger than fiction  :D

What does reality of physical have to do with anything with the reality of the spiritual world? its two different planes of existence.
and don't spouting off about string theory because yes I believe based off of true experiences the spiritual world is real; its just out side of the time-stream there fore we must die to transcend into a timeless infinite point of nothingness(nothingness is a metaphor in comparison to physical reality, I only use nothingness because its the based way to be described with human language).

Don't think you know everyone :) Peace

Spiritual world?
The real universe is the set of all that is real.  If heaven is real, and if hell is real, then they are part of the real universe.  Since logic is distributed syntactically across -- and embedded within -- the real universe, then what I said applies to heaven and hell if real.  Just look at Tronlet's happy, and might I add ADORABLE, face!

Don't make the same mistake Descartes did, creating an inseparable chasm between the set of mental reality and the set of physical reality (or, in your case, spiritual and physical).  The principle of syndiffeonesis implies that any 2 relands 'x' and 'y' occupy and share some medium, even if those relands are said to be absolutely different (thus being included within the medium of absolute difference).


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xenland on July 13, 2011, 12:03:29 AM
Man, if only I believed in the devil. wasn't an atheist.

Also: are there any Bible/Quran passages against this?

Well, you could change your nomological definition of god.  Just set truth = god, set illusion = the devil, and you're back in the same ballpark!    :D   Besides, Jesus was a jew.  That's pretty much atheist.  Minus the god part. 

And, since I began this service, camels have been FLYING through the eyes of needles.

I like the way you think, i think you are the first person i would think that would even know wtf i'm talking about when i get into religious debates about the truth of who/what god really is. and between me and you(and bitcoin forums) god = infinite. Probably self explanatory but the more i think about infinity the more I think that infinity is energy and energy is love and its that infinite love that keeps the universe going with those High vibrations.

(Didn't mean to sound all "hippy" on everybody, but I think about this and truly believe it, then I see scientists proving it everyday that energy is ultimate form of love; science is a different type of religion its a religion that doesn't stand for one word answers to solve problems such as "God made it that way" which is true but that doesn't help us solve anybody current situation, and i think just think its redick-ulas that people soley believe one or the other when everything is the truth and truth can only be infinite scince nobody is perfect which also means that nobody can know everything, again the answer is infinite)

//End Spritual Rant


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xenland on July 13, 2011, 12:07:20 AM
This thread is soo blashphmies, i dont know of any religion thats states that humans have the power to pray to have the choice to where they go. Oh wait mormans....thats it OP must be morman. :)

When you think, "I want to move my arm," and then you do it, that is a mental thought having influence on physical reality.  Mental stuff affects physical stuff all the time.  It's not blasphemous.  It's logical that thoughts have direct influence on physical reality and vice versa.

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves.  This caused the plant to register a spike on the polygraph.  This experiment was repeated and tested...the difference was, the plant only registered a spike on the polygraph when the experimenter had true intention (as opposed to false intention -- thinking he was going to burn the plant's leaves but was not actually going to do so).  In a similar experiment, a plant was again hooked up to a polygraph machine.  This time, a machine was put in place that would, at a random time, release a tub of brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.  Despite the randomness of the release time, the plant registered a spike on the polygraph immediately prior to the machine releasing the brine shrimp.  In other words, it appears as though somehow, the plant was "aware" that the machine was about to release the brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.

Reality is stranger than fiction  :D

What does reality of physical have to do with anything with the reality of the spiritual world? its two different planes of existence.
and don't spouting off about string theory because yes I believe based off of true experiences the spiritual world is real; its just out side of the time-stream there fore we must die to transcend into a timeless infinite point of nothingness(nothingness is a metaphor in comparison to physical reality, I only use nothingness because its the based way to be described with human language).

Don't think you know everyone :) Peace

Spiritual world?
The real universe is the set of all that is real.  If heaven is real, and if hell is real, then they are part of the real universe.  Since logic is distributed syntactically across -- and embedded within -- the real universe, then what I said applies to heaven and hell if real.  Just look at Tronlet's happy, and might I add ADORABLE, face!

Don't make the same mistake Descartes did, creating an inseparable chasm between the set of mental reality and the set of physical reality (or, in your case, spiritual and physical).  The principle of syndiffeonesis implies that any 2 relands 'x' and 'y' occupy and share some medium, even if those relands are said to be absolutely different (thus being included within the medium of absolute difference).

I was agreeing with you BTW, I was simply stating my beliefs, have and hell is a real place... but its the SAME place. To me when you die, depending on your state of consciousness upon death is how you will view the world that you are sent to for eternity. If your a good moral person you will perceive death/spritual world in a good perspective, and if your a person with bad morals you'll think your lost for ever because that's what you thought you were in the physical world but still in the same place.. This is how all religion can make sense together. Some religions say that we will be in different dominiations/levels of heaven(or hell). but it is all the same place :)


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 13, 2011, 12:15:21 AM
Man, if only I believed in the devil. wasn't an atheist.

Also: are there any Bible/Quran passages against this?

Well, you could change your nomological definition of god.  Just set truth = god, set illusion = the devil, and you're back in the same ballpark!    :D   Besides, Jesus was a jew.  That's pretty much atheist.  Minus the god part. 

And, since I began this service, camels have been FLYING through the eyes of needles.

I like the way you think, i think you are the first person i would think that would even know wtf i'm talking about when i get into religious debates about the truth of who/what god really is. and between me and you(and bitcoin forums) god = infinite. Probably self explanatory but the more i think about infinity the more I think that infinity is energy and energy is love and its that infinite love that keeps the universe going with those High vibrations.

(Didn't mean to sound all "hippy" on everybody, but I think about this and truly believe it, then I see scientists proving it everyday that energy is ultimate form of love; science is a different type of religion its a religion that doesn't stand for one word answers to solve problems such as "God made it that way" which is true but that doesn't help us solve anybody current situation, and i think just think its redick-ulas that people soley believe one or the other when everything is the truth and truth can only be infinite scince nobody is perfect which also means that nobody can know everything, again the answer is infinite)

//End Spritual Rant

Haha interesting.  I agree/believe god = infinite (beyond a simple definition) where infinite = undefined, and perhaps is the limit of science/induction.  A side note about energy...I think that energy is time, given that any change in the configuration of the content of the universe requires time.  It seems that the sum of all possible configurations of content would require all of time, so it also seems that time itself may be energy and may be responsible for observable change.  Love this stuff...


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xenland on July 13, 2011, 12:16:54 AM
Man, if only I believed in the devil. wasn't an atheist.

Also: are there any Bible/Quran passages against this?

Well, you could change your nomological definition of god.  Just set truth = god, set illusion = the devil, and you're back in the same ballpark!    :D   Besides, Jesus was a jew.  That's pretty much atheist.  Minus the god part. 

And, since I began this service, camels have been FLYING through the eyes of needles.

I like the way you think, i think you are the first person i would think that would even know wtf i'm talking about when i get into religious debates about the truth of who/what god really is. and between me and you(and bitcoin forums) god = infinite. Probably self explanatory but the more i think about infinity the more I think that infinity is energy and energy is love and its that infinite love that keeps the universe going with those High vibrations.

(Didn't mean to sound all "hippy" on everybody, but I think about this and truly believe it, then I see scientists proving it everyday that energy is ultimate form of love; science is a different type of religion its a religion that doesn't stand for one word answers to solve problems such as "God made it that way" which is true but that doesn't help us solve anybody current situation, and i think just think its redick-ulas that people soley believe one or the other when everything is the truth and truth can only be infinite scince nobody is perfect which also means that nobody can know everything, again the answer is infinite)

//End Spritual Rant

Haha interesting.  I agree/believe god = infinite (beyond a simple definition) where infinite = undefined, and perhaps is the limit of science/induction.  A side note about energy...I think that energy is time, given that any change in the configuration of the content of the universe requires time.  It seems that the sum of all possible configurations of content would require all of time, so it also seems that time itself may be energy and may be responsible for observable change.  Love this stuff...

YEAH!! You know what i'm talking about  ;D


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 13, 2011, 12:19:13 AM
This thread is soo blashphmies, i dont know of any religion thats states that humans have the power to pray to have the choice to where they go. Oh wait mormans....thats it OP must be morman. :)

When you think, "I want to move my arm," and then you do it, that is a mental thought having influence on physical reality.  Mental stuff affects physical stuff all the time.  It's not blasphemous.  It's logical that thoughts have direct influence on physical reality and vice versa.

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves.  This caused the plant to register a spike on the polygraph.  This experiment was repeated and tested...the difference was, the plant only registered a spike on the polygraph when the experimenter had true intention (as opposed to false intention -- thinking he was going to burn the plant's leaves but was not actually going to do so).  In a similar experiment, a plant was again hooked up to a polygraph machine.  This time, a machine was put in place that would, at a random time, release a tub of brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.  Despite the randomness of the release time, the plant registered a spike on the polygraph immediately prior to the machine releasing the brine shrimp.  In other words, it appears as though somehow, the plant was "aware" that the machine was about to release the brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.

Reality is stranger than fiction  :D

What does reality of physical have to do with anything with the reality of the spiritual world? its two different planes of existence.
and don't spouting off about string theory because yes I believe based off of true experiences the spiritual world is real; its just out side of the time-stream there fore we must die to transcend into a timeless infinite point of nothingness(nothingness is a metaphor in comparison to physical reality, I only use nothingness because its the based way to be described with human language).

Don't think you know everyone :) Peace

Spiritual world?
The real universe is the set of all that is real.  If heaven is real, and if hell is real, then they are part of the real universe.  Since logic is distributed syntactically across -- and embedded within -- the real universe, then what I said applies to heaven and hell if real.  Just look at Tronlet's happy, and might I add ADORABLE, face!

Don't make the same mistake Descartes did, creating an inseparable chasm between the set of mental reality and the set of physical reality (or, in your case, spiritual and physical).  The principle of syndiffeonesis implies that any 2 relands 'x' and 'y' occupy and share some medium, even if those relands are said to be absolutely different (thus being included within the medium of absolute difference).

I was agreeing with you BTW, I was simply stating my beliefs, have and hell is a real place... but its the SAME place. To me when you die, depending on your state of consciousness upon death is how you will view the world that you are sent to for eternity. If your a good moral person you will perceive death/spritual world in a good perspective, and if your a person with bad morals you'll think your lost for ever because that's what you thought you were in the physical world but still in the same place.. This is how all religion can make sense together. Some religions say that we will be in different dominiations/levels of heaven(or hell). but it is all the same place :)

I kinda get that vibe too...that heaven and hell are the same 'place' depending on perspective.  However, it's hard to think about one's 'perspective' after death.  Truth is intellectualized through ratio (root word of 'rationale') and, with the lack of a clear after-death ratio between subject and object, it is hard to imagine how one can 'perceive' goodness or badness.  But, ya never know.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xenland on July 13, 2011, 12:23:19 AM
This thread is soo blashphmies, i dont know of any religion thats states that humans have the power to pray to have the choice to where they go. Oh wait mormans....thats it OP must be morman. :)

When you think, "I want to move my arm," and then you do it, that is a mental thought having influence on physical reality.  Mental stuff affects physical stuff all the time.  It's not blasphemous.  It's logical that thoughts have direct influence on physical reality and vice versa.

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves.  This caused the plant to register a spike on the polygraph.  This experiment was repeated and tested...the difference was, the plant only registered a spike on the polygraph when the experimenter had true intention (as opposed to false intention -- thinking he was going to burn the plant's leaves but was not actually going to do so).  In a similar experiment, a plant was again hooked up to a polygraph machine.  This time, a machine was put in place that would, at a random time, release a tub of brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.  Despite the randomness of the release time, the plant registered a spike on the polygraph immediately prior to the machine releasing the brine shrimp.  In other words, it appears as though somehow, the plant was "aware" that the machine was about to release the brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.

Reality is stranger than fiction  :D

What does reality of physical have to do with anything with the reality of the spiritual world? its two different planes of existence.
and don't spouting off about string theory because yes I believe based off of true experiences the spiritual world is real; its just out side of the time-stream there fore we must die to transcend into a timeless infinite point of nothingness(nothingness is a metaphor in comparison to physical reality, I only use nothingness because its the based way to be described with human language).

Don't think you know everyone :) Peace

Spiritual world?
The real universe is the set of all that is real.  If heaven is real, and if hell is real, then they are part of the real universe.  Since logic is distributed syntactically across -- and embedded within -- the real universe, then what I said applies to heaven and hell if real.  Just look at Tronlet's happy, and might I add ADORABLE, face!

Don't make the same mistake Descartes did, creating an inseparable chasm between the set of mental reality and the set of physical reality (or, in your case, spiritual and physical).  The principle of syndiffeonesis implies that any 2 relands 'x' and 'y' occupy and share some medium, even if those relands are said to be absolutely different (thus being included within the medium of absolute difference).

I was agreeing with you BTW, I was simply stating my beliefs, have and hell is a real place... but its the SAME place. To me when you die, depending on your state of consciousness upon death is how you will view the world that you are sent to for eternity. If your a good moral person you will perceive death/spritual world in a good perspective, and if your a person with bad morals you'll think your lost for ever because that's what you thought you were in the physical world but still in the same place.. This is how all religion can make sense together. Some religions say that we will be in different domination/levels of heaven(or hell). but it is all the same place :)

I kinda get that vibe too...that heaven and hell are the same 'place' depending on perspective.  However, it's hard to think about one's 'perspective' after death.  Truth is intellectualized through ratio (root word of 'rationale') and, with the lack of a clear after-death ratio between subject and object, it is hard to imagine how one can 'perceive' goodness or badness.  But, ya never know.

You know i didn't think about that actually about perspective could possibly not being existent after death. I guess i was sub-consciously going off of what some scientists are claiming to prove. Which is the only thing we can prove is our consciousness our self and that they think all matter is a hologram since all matter is just "light that has been slowed down in time exponentially" as they described it


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 13, 2011, 12:27:34 AM
Man, if only I believed in the devil. wasn't an atheist.

Also: are there any Bible/Quran passages against this?

Well, you could change your nomological definition of god.  Just set truth = god, set illusion = the devil, and you're back in the same ballpark!    :D   Besides, Jesus was a jew.  That's pretty much atheist.  Minus the god part. 

And, since I began this service, camels have been FLYING through the eyes of needles.

I like the way you think, i think you are the first person i would think that would even know wtf i'm talking about when i get into religious debates about the truth of who/what god really is. and between me and you(and bitcoin forums) god = infinite. Probably self explanatory but the more i think about infinity the more I think that infinity is energy and energy is love and its that infinite love that keeps the universe going with those High vibrations.

(Didn't mean to sound all "hippy" on everybody, but I think about this and truly believe it, then I see scientists proving it everyday that energy is ultimate form of love; science is a different type of religion its a religion that doesn't stand for one word answers to solve problems such as "God made it that way" which is true but that doesn't help us solve anybody current situation, and i think just think its redick-ulas that people soley believe one or the other when everything is the truth and truth can only be infinite scince nobody is perfect which also means that nobody can know everything, again the answer is infinite)

//End Spritual Rant

Haha interesting.  I agree/believe god = infinite (beyond a simple definition) where infinite = undefined, and perhaps is the limit of science/induction.  A side note about energy...I think that energy is time, given that any change in the configuration of the content of the universe requires time.  It seems that the sum of all possible configurations of content would require all of time, so it also seems that time itself may be energy and may be responsible for observable change.  Love this stuff...

YEAH!! You know what i'm talking about  ;D

Here's a little equation I made for fun when thinking about this stuff.  Let me know what you think, I'd be interested...

(it is (x)) + (it is (all - x)) = (it is) all

In this equation, 'it is' is a distributed property of being, and 'x,' 'all - x,' and 'all' are conditional properties.   so like "it is" (property of being) an apple (conditional).
But, since 'it is' distributes to all conditional properties, it can be removed from the equation, such that simply...

(x) + (all - x) = all

Easy enough right?  Well, to me, this implies some weird stuff.  It seems to imply that the distributive property of being (a constant -- 'being cannot not be') has both little and everything to do with the conditional properties.

On one hand, it seems as though the conditional nature of things as we recognize them blinds us from the ever-pervasive property of 'being' that is all around is.  A property that is undefined because it is not related to any specific condition.
On the other hand, This property of being also seems responsible for allowing us to intellectualize about, and establish ratio between, conditional elements.  This is obviously a good thing for us who try to navigate the world successfully day to day.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 13, 2011, 12:32:18 AM
This thread is soo blashphmies, i dont know of any religion thats states that humans have the power to pray to have the choice to where they go. Oh wait mormans....thats it OP must be morman. :)

When you think, "I want to move my arm," and then you do it, that is a mental thought having influence on physical reality.  Mental stuff affects physical stuff all the time.  It's not blasphemous.  It's logical that thoughts have direct influence on physical reality and vice versa.

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves.  This caused the plant to register a spike on the polygraph.  This experiment was repeated and tested...the difference was, the plant only registered a spike on the polygraph when the experimenter had true intention (as opposed to false intention -- thinking he was going to burn the plant's leaves but was not actually going to do so).  In a similar experiment, a plant was again hooked up to a polygraph machine.  This time, a machine was put in place that would, at a random time, release a tub of brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.  Despite the randomness of the release time, the plant registered a spike on the polygraph immediately prior to the machine releasing the brine shrimp.  In other words, it appears as though somehow, the plant was "aware" that the machine was about to release the brine shrimp into a vat of boiling water.

Reality is stranger than fiction  :D

What does reality of physical have to do with anything with the reality of the spiritual world? its two different planes of existence.
and don't spouting off about string theory because yes I believe based off of true experiences the spiritual world is real; its just out side of the time-stream there fore we must die to transcend into a timeless infinite point of nothingness(nothingness is a metaphor in comparison to physical reality, I only use nothingness because its the based way to be described with human language).

Don't think you know everyone :) Peace

Spiritual world?
The real universe is the set of all that is real.  If heaven is real, and if hell is real, then they are part of the real universe.  Since logic is distributed syntactically across -- and embedded within -- the real universe, then what I said applies to heaven and hell if real.  Just look at Tronlet's happy, and might I add ADORABLE, face!

Don't make the same mistake Descartes did, creating an inseparable chasm between the set of mental reality and the set of physical reality (or, in your case, spiritual and physical).  The principle of syndiffeonesis implies that any 2 relands 'x' and 'y' occupy and share some medium, even if those relands are said to be absolutely different (thus being included within the medium of absolute difference).

I was agreeing with you BTW, I was simply stating my beliefs, have and hell is a real place... but its the SAME place. To me when you die, depending on your state of consciousness upon death is how you will view the world that you are sent to for eternity. If your a good moral person you will perceive death/spritual world in a good perspective, and if your a person with bad morals you'll think your lost for ever because that's what you thought you were in the physical world but still in the same place.. This is how all religion can make sense together. Some religions say that we will be in different domination/levels of heaven(or hell). but it is all the same place :)

I kinda get that vibe too...that heaven and hell are the same 'place' depending on perspective.  However, it's hard to think about one's 'perspective' after death.  Truth is intellectualized through ratio (root word of 'rationale') and, with the lack of a clear after-death ratio between subject and object, it is hard to imagine how one can 'perceive' goodness or badness.  But, ya never know.

You know i didn't think about that actually about perspective could possibly not being existent after death. I guess i was sub-consciously going off of what some scientists are claiming to prove. Which is the only thing we can prove is our consciousness our self and that they think all matter is a hologram since all matter is just "light that has been slowed down in time exponentially" as they described it

:)  light slowed down in time exponentially...hmmm I'll hafta give that one some thought!


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xenland on July 13, 2011, 07:46:30 PM
Dude you equation is crazy it makes sense, and may even make sense mathmatically upon first, 2nd and 3rd glance..

and yeah about the light slowed down I'll find the link to where i found the article of the scientific studies they are doing.. but yeah its a mind trip.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Insuremeplz on July 15, 2011, 12:12:07 AM
I would like to subscribe to your teachings.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 15, 2011, 12:23:04 AM
I would like to subscribe to your teachings.

lol  ???


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: nanamin on July 18, 2011, 02:35:14 AM
.01 btc/minute = $7.8/hour. If I pay you for 10 hours, will you videotape yourself praying out loud for 10 hours straight and post it to YouTube?


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 18, 2011, 03:48:52 AM
.01 btc/minute = $7.8/hour. If I pay you for 10 hours, will you videotape yourself praying out loud for 10 hours straight and post it to YouTube?

Yes.  Yes I will.  Though you're really gonna make me use my TB harddrive aren't you.  Wouldn't that take like 10 hours to upload to YouTube?


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: nanamin on July 18, 2011, 05:29:40 AM
.01 btc/minute = $7.8/hour. If I pay you for 10 hours, will you videotape yourself praying out loud for 10 hours straight and post it to YouTube?

Yes.  Yes I will.  Though you're really gonna make me use my TB harddrive aren't you.  Wouldn't that take like 10 hours to upload to YouTube?

Luckily, uploading is a passive task :) Maybe you could SCP it to me to minimize the effort and I can split and YouTube it ;)


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 19, 2011, 08:21:11 PM
.01 btc/minute = $7.8/hour. If I pay you for 10 hours, will you videotape yourself praying out loud for 10 hours straight and post it to YouTube?

Yes.  Yes I will.  Though you're really gonna make me use my TB harddrive aren't you.  Wouldn't that take like 10 hours to upload to YouTube?

Luckily, uploading is a passive task :) Maybe you could SCP it to me to minimize the effort and I can split and YouTube it ;)

Haha, are you for real?


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: organofcorti on July 22, 2011, 09:55:37 AM
.01 btc/minute = $7.8/hour. If I pay you for 10 hours, will you videotape yourself praying out loud for 10 hours straight and post it to YouTube?

Yes.  Yes I will.  Though you're really gonna make me use my TB harddrive aren't you.  Wouldn't that take like 10 hours to upload to YouTube?

Luckily, uploading is a passive task :) Maybe you could SCP it to me to minimize the effort and I can split and YouTube it ;)

Haha, are you for real?

Would praying for 10 hours straight look any different to praying for one hour looped? In fact, you could probably just pray once and loop it thousands of time. Religion finally catches up with math! Oh wait, buddhists already do that.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xenland on July 24, 2011, 11:35:44 PM
I would love to host this video for educational purposes. And to who ever thinks that someone could get away with recording a one minute loop then sell it as praying for 10 hours must be chuck noris becuase i know praying or even meditating for even 3 hours straight gets very tiresome every minute passing so there would obviously be some authentic-ness too this looping video in order to work

Lol


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: spruce on July 25, 2011, 12:33:20 AM

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves. 

Cleve Backster was doing this in the 60s. His experiments with yoghurt communications are fascinating, although kinda out-there for most!


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: Xenland on July 25, 2011, 02:29:39 AM

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves. 

Cleve Backster was doing this in the 60s. His experiments with yoghurt communications are fascinating, although kinda out-there for most!

The thing i find most intriguiging is that maybe it was the very intense thought it self could have triggered the polograph to give the odd results.

But this thoery arises the question as of "why criminals have a hard time to passing poloygraphs..." well it could be they didnt have enough conciousness(thought power) in the first place to find alternative ways to accomplishing the negative thing they are getting accused with.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: spruce on July 25, 2011, 02:41:59 PM

In the book, "The Intention Experiment," a professor hooked up a plant to a polygraph machine.  He then had the intention (in the form of a thought) to burn one of the plants leaves. 

Cleve Backster was doing this in the 60s. His experiments with yoghurt communications are fascinating, although kinda out-there for most!

The thing i find most intriguiging is that maybe it was the very intense thought it self could have triggered the polograph to give the odd results.

But this thoery arises the question as of "why criminals have a hard time to passing poloygraphs..." well it could be they didnt have enough conciousness(thought power) in the first place to find alternative ways to accomplishing the negative thing they are getting accused with.

I read Backster's book a few years ago. There are some interesting interviews of him online, such as this one: http://www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html.

Polygraphs are notoriously unreliable. Lots of interesting reading at http://antipolygraph.org/. The success rate is slightly above chance, and that seems to be mainly due to the examiner scaring the subject into confessing!  Do you know the (lying) basis on which a polygraph test is done? There's a 220-page PDF file (http://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf) at that site which explains all.

Like similar biofeedback devices, they show momentary stress in the subject, such as a reaction to a hot question. A real remorseless criminal will not have a stress reaction to what you think might be a hot question, like "Did you steal the unsecured wallet.dat file?" He may have a reaction to a question that violates *his* moral code, like "Did you fail to steal the wallet.dat files that you could have done?" if he feels bad about missing out on the opportunity. But polygraphs are not done on this basis, but on the basis as described in that PDF. Interesting subject.



Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 28, 2011, 09:48:37 AM
I would love to host this video for educational purposes. And to who ever thinks that someone could get away with recording a one minute loop then sell it as praying for 10 hours must be chuck noris becuase i know praying or even meditating for even 3 hours straight gets very tiresome every minute passing so there would obviously be some authentic-ness too this looping video in order to work

Lol

I can also print love/death wishes on paper repeatedly to exponentially increase the total amount of love/death in existence.  I can then put them up like Tibetan prayer flags and take a picture.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: organofcorti on July 29, 2011, 03:49:02 AM
I would love to host this video for educational purposes. And to who ever thinks that someone could get away with recording a one minute loop then sell it as praying for 10 hours must be chuck noris becuase i know praying or even meditating for even 3 hours straight gets very tiresome every minute passing so there would obviously be some authentic-ness too this looping video in order to work

Lol

I can also print love/death wishes on paper repeatedly to exponentially increase the total amount of love/death in existence.  I can then put them up like Tibetan prayer flags and take a picture.

I think prayer wheels would be better. Or you could make a zoetrope of you praying attached to the inside of a prayer wheel and watch someone pray as God reads - and sees - the prayer. You're bound to increase the virtuosness of the world this way.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 29, 2011, 07:55:59 AM

By jove, man...this is brilliant! 

http://i56.tinypic.com/16lk9d5.jpg

Concept model.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: organofcorti on July 29, 2011, 08:04:18 AM

By jove, man...this is brilliant! 

http://i56.tinypic.com/16lk9d5.jpg

Concept model.

Nice! People don't smile when they pray though. Not that kind of grin, anyway.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 29, 2011, 08:12:18 AM

By jove, man...this is brilliant! 

http://i56.tinypic.com/16lk9d5.jpg

Concept model.

Nice! People don't smile when they pray though. Not that kind of grin, anyway.

I thought it makes me look especially trustworthy.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: organofcorti on July 29, 2011, 08:45:46 AM
I thought it makes me look especially trustworthy.

That would depend on what it was I was trusting you to do. Not pray, thats for sure. Prey, maybe.  ;D


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 29, 2011, 09:33:21 AM
I thought it makes me look especially trustworthy.

That would depend on what it was I was trusting you to do. Not pray, thats for sure. Prey, maybe.  ;D

Not sure what you're talking about, bro.  This is so, so so, so...so so so ....SO...so legit.  So what'll it be?  5 for a buck?  2 for 10?  You look like a clever fellow who knows what he wants...


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: organofcorti on July 29, 2011, 09:50:17 AM
post an address and I'll send you 0.05 btc. Not for prayers though, but because your zoetrope made me nearly piss myself.


Title: Re: Send Someone to Heaven/Hell for BTC!!!
Post by: the joint on July 29, 2011, 08:04:05 PM
post an address and I'll send you 0.05 btc. Not for prayers though, but because your zoetrope made me nearly piss myself.

Your generosity is appreciated!

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But honestly, I will think quite fondly of you today   :)