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Spectrecoin claims to have anonymous staking, but no one has yet to explain how it achieves this miracle. I'm calling BS until someone can explain it.

This was fuelled directly out of anger from this topic the OP and I had in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2381337.msg28204400#msg28204400

Spectecoin cannot be a scam as it already has the OBFS4 feature no other cryptocurrency has.

Hey generalizethis, we don't "claim to have anonymous staking". We've worked out a way to do it, and we will be launching it towards the end of Q2 this year. Nobody is asking you to believe it until we release the paper and source code, don't worry :)

Hey generalizethis, we don't "claim to have anonymous staking". We've worked out a way to do it, and we will be launching it towards the end of Q2 this year. Nobody is asking you to believe it until we release the paper and source code, don't worry :)

So you don't know how to do it? Your shills have been saying otherwise.

So you don't know how to do it? Your shills have been saying otherwise.

How is it that you quoted me and yet still managed to claim that I said the opposite of what I did?

We know exactly how to do it, but as I said, just wait for the paper and source code and you won't need to trust my or anyone else's word.

Read what your thread states. No one claimed we have anonymous staking. We claimed that there will be anonymous staking. Read the thread again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2659097.msg27108855#msg27108855

And I asked how this is achieved and no one has had an answer. This reeks of vaporware.

Spectrecoin claims to have anonymous staking, but no one has yet to explain how it achieves this miracle. I'm calling BS until someone can explain it.

This thread is basically just OP hating on the fact that spectrecoin gonna have anonymous staking, which in his mind it's this ungodly impossible tech; good news man, nobody needs you to believe it's legit and nobody needs to prove anything to you - as you already saw in the replies yet refused to acknowledge, wait for the source code and for the tech to be implemented and if that wont satisfy you, then you can spam all you want about how bad this coin is

Oh man, did you see official site? Why do you want to lie?
https://spectreproject.io/roadmap/ (https://spectreproject.io/roadmap/)
Ok man, this is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
I sent my money from this Stealth-Address to the non-Stealth-Address, did non-stealth-staking, and sent my money back to this Stealth-Address.
Just tell me something about me: my IP, amount of coins that participates in the non-stealth-staking, time when I did staking, just something  ;D
Do you want I tell you about users of other "privacy" coins? See below

Recently, you said that integrated Tor is unimportant: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2471807.msg26774212#msg26774212 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2471807.msg26774212#msg26774212)
Script to get IPs of peers in Monero: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper
From which we can get IP of wallets: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/
We can not relate Monero-addresses and IPs, monero is realy privacy: https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583 (https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583)
But the Government will easily find the home addresses of those people who use the Monero for more intimate tax control.

For Verge: IP addresses, XVG-addresses and amounts:
- Electrum Verge Wallet: http://xvg.keff.org/ (http://xvg.keff.org/)
- Core Verge Wallet: http://xvg.keff.org/core.php (http://xvg.keff.org/core.php)
Now we can understand what your word is worth) Who wants to show their IP addresses - listen to "generalizethis" lol.

Exhanges that uses KYC/AML knows your personal information, and knows how many privacy coins you bought (Monero, ZCash, Spectrecoin, ...). So you should use decentralized exchanges such as BISQ (without KYC/AML) using Tor.
As soon as the money reaches the Stealth-Address and is sent to the next Stealth-Address using Ring-sig (Monero, Spectrecoin, ...) - the exchange does not know anything about it.

Just compare current state of different privacy coins:
Spectrecoin (XSPEC) with $100 M market cap at least much more privacy than PIVX (PoS) with $650 M.
https://hsto.org/webt/e-/nf/pj/e-nfpjo17hhfeqtw1mefig0mlci.png (https://hsto.org/webt/e-/nf/pj/e-nfpjo17hhfeqtw1mefig0mlci.png)
https://hsto.org/webt/e-/nf/pj/e-nfpjo17hhfeqtw1mefig0mlci.png

Spectrecoin claims to have anonymous staking, but no one has yet to explain how it achieves this miracle. I'm calling BS until someone can explain it.

Oh man, do you can trace TX data that uses Ring-Signatures that used in the (Monero, Spectrecoin, ...)? You are much more brilliant than the developers who would sometime possibly invent the stealth staking, lol.

Ok man, this is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
Just tell me something about me - TX-data: my transactions, amount of coins that participates in the non-stealth-staking, time when I did staking, just something. You can not. You can only speak in general words.  ;D

Spectrecoin claims to have anonymous staking, but no one has yet to explain how it achieves this miracle. I'm calling BS until someone can explain it.

Well, what would you do if you had figured out a way to do this? Explain your idea to everybody and spread the news everywhere? In that case bigger coins, which have much more funding, could implement the technique in a fraction of the time our developers could. And then when we're finally done, everyone would just ask "ok but why are you doing what coin XY already implemented 2 months ago"? It's in our own interest as Spectrecoin investors that the devs will keep this secret until everything is ready to go.

Also, our software is already valuable on its own ... we're not an ICO any more that just wants to collect money. We have a working product and a coin that is valued around $100M USD, and a stealth transaction mechanism that works. Calling it a scam just because of one single feature that has been announced but not released yet, is a bit hypocritical. ;)

Just wanted to write something like this.
Nobody will tell you in details how that or this feature works because it's business and it's competitive.
Even if they would like to tell you, how do you see this? Give you a bunch of code?

I think, SPECTRE is one best upcoming ICO’s from every aspect. I have read an article on SPECTRE, as I feel people overlook big opportunities in the early stage and regret later.and SPECTRE is uniquely different from any other blockchain projects that may have similar names such as ‘spectrecoin’ which are in no way associated or compete with SPECTRE.

I think, SPECTRE is one best upcoming ICO’s from every aspect. I have read an article on SPECTRE, as I feel people overlook big opportunities in the early stage and regret later.and SPECTRE is uniquely different from any other blockchain projects that may have similar names such as ‘spectrecoin’ which are in no way associated or compete with SPECTRE.

I think, SPECTRE is one best upcoming ICO’s from every aspect. I have read an article on SPECTRE, as I feel people overlook big opportunities in the early stage and regret later.and SPECTRE is uniquely different from any other blockchain projects that may have similar names such as ‘spectrecoin’ which are in no way associated or compete with SPECTRE.

Good example of how a currency lets cryptographers study its design BEFORE they release it. The Monero cryptographers are actually studying it and speaking to the SPECTRE team to see how secure it is--the results have been positive. This working across projects and sharing information is how opensource is supposed to work and is a benefit for everyone involved.

Now spectrecoin is an entirely different story. Apparently were supposed to trust an unknown design and buy-in on ignorance.

IP data is not TX data. When you realize the difference you will know what keeps your funds from being tracked. This is like pointing out that I can see my neighbor login to TOR--you still can't see what sites they visited, which is the more important information.

Pretty standard to release a whitepaper before you make a claim so other devs can look over the design. Something so big should have waited until there is an actual release (which would have likely been a quick rise into the top 20 if true), so it's very suspicious that they didn't and are making the claim months before they can let anyone look it over.

They should have waited or released a whitepaper with the anouncement  if they didn't want the claim scrutinized--it's as simple as that. TBH.there's nothing in this coin's history to make me take such a claim at face value. Even if GMaxwell had made this claim, I'd want to see documentation and the required math.

TBH, it would be better if they had made some less outrageous claim as it probably would fly under the radar.

If I'm a government with the ability to do dragnet-style surveillance, I simply need to find the peer that first relayed a given transaction. It's not a particularly difficult challenge once I'm already collecting all the data. As long as the transactions are being relayed over clearnet this vulnerability exists. This is why Spectre integrates Tor and only exchanges traffic between onion addresses. I understand that Monero is integrating I2P for a similar reason?

I don't mind the claim being scrutinised - as I have already said, I am not asking you to believe anything until the design is public. I am very strongly against the shilling that I see on Bitcointalk but it's not as if I can prevent people from doing what they want. We don't pay for or incentivise this stuff at all (even if we wanted to, which we definitely don't, we have no budget to do so). If it were up to me, we would keep relatively quiet about the stealth staking until it was ready to go. But people want to know what we have planned to release in the future, and we've already worked out the math and validated it, so we put it on the roadmap, and then half the community wants to tell everyone on bitcointalk  :-\


So, you're saying we should lie?  ???

It's trivial to use TOR or I2p with most cryptocurrencies, so baking it in is not needed--I believe Monero is waiting for Kovri because of some concern with network security. Apparently baking-in TOR or I2p has an effect on Monero's network security that Kovri doesn't have--you will have to pm one of the Monero devs for an in-depth answer.

No, you shouldn't advertise it until there is something to validate the claim. Right now, it's your word and a claim--that's about as sketchy as it gets.

This is a really common misconception, but it's not true. It is not trivial to just use Tor/I2P with any cryptocurrency, if you care at all about your privacy and security. If you're not using onion addresses (or the I2P equivalent) then your traffic is traveling unencrypted across exit nodes, who can view and even censor your transactions. It's well known that some of these exit nodes are operated by governments with an interest in doing exactly that sort of thing.

The integration of Tor or I2P with a cryptocurrency requires thought and care, which is no doubt exactly why Monero is pursuing Kovri, and is also why Spectre integrates Tor and uses only onion addresses, rather than just pointing the SOCKS proxy at Tor like people suggest you can just do with any cryptocurrency.

How can it be a scam? A scam means that the devs plan on taking off with the money or that the entire project is just air. It's clearly a real project. Perhaps there's doubt, legitimate or not, about whether they can deliver 100% on their plans. But that's pretty far away from it being a scam.

I also think it's trivial to write a sonnet, but that doesn't mean it's easy for most people. The main user here likely knows how to run TOR or I2p already. Or are you arguing that that is the one piece of OPSEC the casual user can't get right? I was arguing that TX data is the more important (and harder to achieve) of the two.

Anyway, not sure why you are locked-in on that when the topic was created to address your claim that you've figured out how to do anonymous staking.

What other projects have you worked on and do you have contact info?

As a project, we just put something on our roadmap that we're working on. That's the extent of the "advertising" that we've done. (Please don't confuse random community members shilling on bitcointalk with something controlled or condoned by the project.)

I think Gandalf86 put it quite well as to why we didn't simultaneously publish the full details of how it works when we listed it on our roadmap. To put things in perspective, we have many orders of magnitude less funding than Monero. If we publish the solution to a problem that everyone is interested in, we're almost certainly not going to be the first to successfully implement it in our currency.

And no, I don't think it's scam - however it would be interesting if this spammers are paid or if they're doing it on their own.

I actually sold my XSPEC +-0 as there are too many get-rich-fast-kiddys spamming every thread in the forum which also seems to affect the coins reputation.
I think it has potential and maybe it will rise but yeah... And no, I don't think it's scam - however it would be interesting if this spammers are paid or if they're doing it on their own.

Spectrecoin claims to have anonymous staking, but no one has yet to explain how it achieves this miracle. I'm calling BS until someone can explain it.

If they say they have a solution for anonymous staking and they don't, it's a scam.

It is interesting to see that the defenders of Spectrecoin vary in the claim that:
1. Spectrecoin has already its anonymity features.
2. Spectrecoin will implement its anonymity features in Q2 2018.

The fact that most defenders are having the banners of Spectrecoin and that they can't agree within themselves on the status brings some clear conclusions:

a. Bad communication of Spectrecoin.
b. Most of them are unable unable to understand what they are speaking about.
c. Probably one of them is right and we will now know for now.

Therefor, no information on wherever it is a scam but a negative outlook is clearly marking the behavior of its defending community.

It is interesting to see that the defenders of Spectrecoin vary in the claim that:
1. Spectrecoin has already its anonymity features.
2. Spectrecoin will implement its anonymity features in Q2 2018.

The fact that most defenders are having the banners of Spectrecoin and that they can't agree within themselves on the status brings some clear conclusions:

a. Bad communication of Spectrecoin.
b. Most of them are unable unable to understand what they are speaking about.
c. Probably one of them is right and we will now know for now.

Therefor, no information on wherever it is a scam but a negative outlook is clearly marking the behavior of its defending community.

generalizethis, there was no need to register new account to attack the coin again ;D

Obviously, 99% of the crypto world is a scam. And obviously, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But lets keep it civilized and argue based on facts, not on what other coins we hodl to try to bring the competition down.

As for the people who claim 100x, maybe their posts are taken out of context? I guess what they are trying to say that the market cap it low for such a coin, and if the devs deliver, it can easily grow 100x. But yes, it won't happen tomorrow. And actually it might never happen they the market is melting now - it might be the end of the crypro world as well.

By using your logic, if you say that they don't have a solution but they do, you are a scam!

Do you have the proof that they don't have a solution? If not, you shouldn't be accusing anyone. Everybody can make their own choice whether to believe them or not.

The fact that that they don't have any of the premined coins as they took over this project and only rely on donations from staking already distinguishes the project from aĺl the other scam going on here. If they wanted to cheat, they could.have created a new ICO, take the profit and run.

Here are people who are not related to the Spectrecoin community, such as generalizethis, they say lies and then they themselves refute their lie ;D https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2760432.msg28210253#msg28210253 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2760432.msg28210253#msg28210253)

What has already been implemented, and what will be implemented clearly visible on the official website: https://spectreproject.io/roadmap/ (https://spectreproject.io/roadmap/)
1. Spectrecoin has already its anonymity features: Ring-signatures, Stealth-addresses, Tor, OBFS4
2. Spectrecoin will implement its anonymity Innovative features that hasn't any other coins in Q2 2018: Stealth-staking

It is interesting to see that the defenders of Spectrecoin vary in the claim that:
1. Spectrecoin has already its anonymity features.
2. Spectrecoin will implement its anonymity features in Q2 2018.

The dev said he won't explain how anonymous staking is supposed to work, so yeah, that's all the proof I need--this looks like another scam.

I guess we have different definitions of "proof". Once again you are casually claiming that I said things that I didn't. People only need to read the thread above to see me saying that not only will a paper be released describing the method, but the source code will be open just like the rest of XSPEC's source code, allowing anybody to see the implementation of the method. Until then, feel free to have all the skepticism you want, but talking about "proof" is a bit extreme.

"won't explain right now because it would hand over the solution to much better-funded teams who can beat us to implementation" is a very different thing from "won't explain".

How am I misrepresenting the situation?

There's a claim that anonymous staking is possible. yes/no

There's no math or white paper outlining how that is possible? yes/no

You don't get a delay when your shills are advertising the feature as if it's a 100% certainty. Either remove it or continue to get asked about how it works--there's no middleground here.

@spectre_jbg

You have a major claim (anonymous staking) either back it up or continue to get scrutinized. I'm calling scam until your remove the claim or back it up. If what you say is true, then just remove it and get the benefit when you release it. Right now it looks like you want the investors without the scrutiny--sorry, that's not how it works. Big claims come with a lot of eyes watching you.

You lied that stealth staking is implemented: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2760432.msg28204155#msg28204155 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2760432.msg28204155#msg28204155)
you could not even go to the site and see the roadmap, your just anthoughtless and emotional hater: https://spectreproject.io/roadmap/ (https://spectreproject.io/roadmap/)
Spectrecoin already has features (Ring-signatures, Stealth-addresses, Tor, OBFS4) that much better than in other much more expensive coins. When the factory already produces a Mercedes S-class $150 K (analogy Ring-sig, Stealth-address, Tor, OBFS4), and promises in the future to release a Mercedes-Maybach S600 Pullman $1 Million (analogy Stealth-staking), following your logic a Mercedes S-class is scam - only very stupid people will listen to you.
Why do you want stealth-staking if you can't even get any IP or TX data when I do conventional staking? I wrote you my address: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2760432.msg28208865#msg28208865 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2760432.msg28208865#msg28208865) It is obvious that you do not possess the technical knowledge.

We're not going to remove a major feature that we're working on from the roadmap just because it makes people ask questions. It would be hard to explain to people what we're spending all our time doing, for one thing. The questions are no problem, neither are the eyes watching. They can keep watching for a few months and then have their questions answered; I don't see any problem with that.

Incidentally, when did I ever say I wanted the investors without the scrutiny? If I were in your position, I'd certainly wait until I read the whitepaper before investing. But I wouldn't go around swinging wild accusations of "scam" at a coin that I know very little about.

As for spectrecoin's other features, who cares? That is not what the thread is asking--though I wonder how any coin calls itself private and has a richlist. See "RICH LIST" "LARGEST WALLETS" https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/

You never needed to say it--it's implied when you complain about it. If you don't like me calling it a scam, post proof and shut me up.

I know enough to know anonymous staking is something only a genius could build, and the more you complain about scam accusations and the inability to control your shills, the less genius you sound.

off the topic of the thread, but as I mentioned already (and as a tiny bit of research could have told you) xspec has both private and public balances. the largest wallets are definitely not accurate, as for any blockchain, and the richlist isn't either as it's impossible to determine private balances to take them into account. just because an (unofficial) block explorer decides to display something, doesn't make it accurate.

As for spectrecoin's other features, who cares? That is not what the thread is asking--though I wonder how any coin calls itself private and has a richlist. See "RICH LIST" "LARGEST WALLETS" https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/

stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

Also all addresses are visible in a truly privacy Monero, and these addresses can be sorted by making a rich list, only it will not give you anything in Monero or Sepctrecoin: https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583 (https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583)
Do you really do not know how stealth addresses work? You can not relate (Monero or Spectrecoin) stealth-addresses in the wallet and addresses in the block-explorer, learn at least something about it, you look like this dude who saw the addresses and the amount of money in the Monero-block-explorer and believes that Monero is not a privacy cryptocurrency: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/)

Is Monero mentioned in the OP? Thanks for trying to get offtopic.

I can't really say if it's a scam or not but I will definitively stay away from it. Why?

Well, firstly I find it very suspicious that so many people here (often with a very low activity, new accounts) shill it so hard. I read it everywhere. Take any thread, you'll find Spectrecoin in it. Now you might say this is a good thing. Not for me, it only makes me personally very suspicious. I'm pretty sure that some people get paid to promote this coin. And even create new accounts for that.
2.: I don't buy any coins or tokens where I can't find the team on the website within seconds. And actually you find nothing about the team at all on the website.
3.: Another privacy coin? Really? Don't we already have thousands of them? Who will ever use them? No one I guess.
4.: It kind of reminds me of TRX, XRB, XRP and XVG. Which for me isn't a good thing. I think a lot of new people who don't have that much experience in crypto buy it.

Until now most of my investments were rock-solid and I won't change that. So if Spectrecoin flies to the moon, congrats to all the people on board. I'll gladly pass and watch it take off from earth then.

jbg,

there is no point arguing with this paid Monero troll generalizethis.

The paid trolls must be losing their minds over losing their income due to the market meltdown. He has no arguments other than offending the members of the XSPEC community, which grows by the hour.

Please keep up the good work and ignore the paid whores
 ;)

There is a reason behind it. Nobody gets paid as nobody has the budget to pay. The dev team took over the project has zero premined coins. They only get coins from donations from staking. No budget to pay marketing, so the community behind it is trying to raise awareness.

I checked you post, and you seem to be promoting your hodlings in every thread (- IOTA - Lisk- Neo- Sonm- Shift- Nebulas- Stratis- DragonChain) - by your logic, does this mean they are scam and you are paid to do it?

There is a reason behind it. Nobody gets paid as nobody has the budget to pay. The dev team took over the project has zero premined coins. They only get coins from donations from staking. No budget to pay marketing, so the community behind it is trying to raise awareness.

I checked you post, and you seem to be promoting your hodlings in every thread (- IOTA - Lisk- Neo- Sonm- Shift- Nebulas- Stratis- DragonChain) - by your logic, does this mean they are scam and you are paid to do it?

No. Those are in my opinion very solid projects with a future because of a possible real life adoption. Also those projects have great visions, great teams (or even foundations) and are very transparent/communicative. That's why I recommend them. I wouldn't give any advice if I thought people might lose money with it.
But if you suspect me of doing so, I'm fine with that. Everybody is free to have her or his own opinion.

As for the shilling: Of course there's money for that for Spectrecoin. Only thing you have to do is to sell some coins. And as you said, there are donations.
You don't even have to sell. Payment could as well be the coin itself.

But I surely encourage everyone to make up his own mind and decide then (based on facts). Because after all I could be completely wrong. I just depicted my own opinion.

@NeverSop: I never said it was a scam. Read again please. I said I just can't know it.

I don't suspect you of anything. There is too much noise in crypto, so it's never clear who is real and who is fake.

I was just pointing out that you believe in some projects because of some possible real life adoption, so for you they are good. But there are people who will have their doubts about these projects, just like you have doubts about xspec. Just because someone else doesn't believe in what you believe, it doesn't automatically make it scam.

SpectroCoin is definitely NOT a scam.
I'm using them for a couple of years, they are very well spread in Europe, you can find them on QIWI terminals which are present almost in any mini market.

At first glance it looks like generalizethis is trolling, but if you look at the bigger picture, it appears generalizethis is actually participating in the shills as there is now a poll concluding that spectre is not a scam and another highly visible spectre thread.

Or perhaps I'm just pointing out that the devs have yet to prove how they are going to build anonymous staking. I've pointed out dubious claims before and have had to deal with armies of noobs (sock puppets), so nothing new in that regard.

Spectrecoin claims to have it will have anonymous staking, but no one has yet to explain how it achieves this miracle. I'm calling BS until someone can explain it.

By your logic, Every car manufacturer that has claimed that they will set the bar higher than other manufacturers, Needs to release the complete technical white paper on said vehicle, Down to the drag coefficients, Type of bearings used, effective suspension geometry, Drive train specs... etc.

Did you call tesla a scam when they said they were going to release a car that didnt use petrol as the energy source? Would it have been in tesla's best interest to release every specification on their ground breaking platform before they released it? No, Because the competitors that are MUCH more well funded could have used that template and implemented it prior to tesla ever having a working product.

Simply just trying to use an analogous situation so that you can wrap your head around what is going on here. Doesnt seem like its that complicated, But it may just be a simple case of inflated ego/ignorance going on here.

Regardless, Dont spread misinformation unless you have tangible proof that said coin is in fact a scam.

I wholeheartedly agree with this poster.

By your logic, Every car manufacturer that has claimed that they will set the bar higher than other manufacturers, Needs to release the complete technical white paper on said vehicle, Down to the drag coefficients, Type of bearings used, effective suspension geometry, Drive train specs... etc.

Did you call tesla a scam when they said they were going to release a car that didnt use petrol as the energy source? Would it have been in tesla's best interest to release every specification on their ground breaking platform before they released it? No, Because the competitors that are MUCH more well funded could have used that template and implemented it prior to tesla ever having a working product.

Simply just trying to use an analogous situation so that you can wrap your head around what is going on here. Doesnt seem like its that complicated, But it may just be a simple case of inflated ego/ignorance going on here.

Regardless, Dont spread misinformation unless you have tangible proof that said coin is in fact a scam.

If a car manufacturer promises a moonmobile that is powered by unicorn farts, yes, I would expect some explanation and I would call scam if they have no basis for making such a claim.


Want to shut me up, post how anonymous staking works, you don't even have to explain it in detail, just a rough sketch. Right now it's a claim and nada--not even a dev identification to base an opinion on prior work.

good god, even the lead developer tried to reason with you and went into detail why they aren't releasing this information at this time.

let it go.

XMR has best privacy, for now

Soon Spectre will have default private wallets, so it will be on par with XMR

HOWEVER (and I wonder how people cannot see this) Spectre uses staking (via Tor), not Proof of Work

It is much, much, much harder for an evil entity to outlaw or tax POW mining, than OBFS4/TOR routed staking. AFAIK they are working on staking via mobile devices too. NO hardware that needs to be shipped, consumes electricity, generates heat....NO mining pools that can be attacked. Nothing, just encrypted connections to other peers!

If you read scary news such as China mining ban, lovely Munchkin calling BTC wallets "Swiss number accounts" that need to be destroyed, and other crap like that, it is a miracle that Spectre is so much cheaper than XMR.  :o

Of course XMR is more mature. But is that a reason for a 100 fold price difference?

Right, maybe I don't understand this part but is it not anonymous already?

You buy Xspec
You transfer them to a private address. This is now an anonymous wallet.
You stake via Tor with your anonymous wallet.

How is that not anonymous staking? Or is this not what is being discussed here?  ???

If a car manufacturer promises a moonmobile that is powered by unicorn farts, yes, I would expect some explanation and I would call scam if they have no basis for making such a claim.


Want to shut me up, post how anonymous staking works, you don't even have to explain it in detail, just a rough sketch. Right now it's a claim and nada--not even a dev identification to base an opinion on prior work.

It's not a scam and claiming that it's a scam is just trolling.

Simply, if they don't manage to get anonymous staking working, it just means that they bite more than they could chew. It does not mean it's a scam.

Stop bullshitting everyone.

Most crypto projects show their work--this is the expectation, not the exception. I'm not lowering the standard--especially when it's such a bold claim. If they didn't want the scrutiny, they should have held off on the claim until they were prepared to release a whitepaper. I know this angers scammers, but it is just the way it works.

If they removed the claim (or even better, proved it), I'd remove the poll.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057229.0

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/deeponion/

You're not the first one attempting something like this and your thread won't make a difference. You just think it will. Everybody wants to feel relevant. The truth is, most people are not.

many people write that this project should cost more than now, this suggests that they want to raise the price artificially. imo

I don't know much what is spectrecoin is since im newbie here,so is there anyone here who can tell me what it is?if its okey for you guys.
Because there are many crypto rising now a days.Hopefully I can gain knowledge from you guys.

Before I start my reply, I want to say that the creator of this post is either a troll/ or an investor who wants to decrease the price so he can buy more/ or a stupid person have no idea about this coin.

XSPEC is the BEST undervalued coin right now. I expect it will reach $20 by Summer 2018. Calling it scam is TOO FUNNY.

First of all, if you go their Discord and Slack channels, YOU CAN ACTUALLY CHAT WITH THE LEAD DEVELOPER. In which world you can chat and ask any questions you want to a scam coin's dev?

The owner of this post just trying to hit this coin by Stealth Staking, because that's the only feature they didn't finish yet. They are running their roadmap like a charm, they just released a new version of the wallet and their website is updated.

XSPEC has a unique tech. To be honest, it is the only real privacy coin. Here is a picture so you can compare, also XSPEC is at dip right now, only $3. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/396083151400861706/400464159910920192/IMG_20180110_044045.jpg?width=948&height=614

cmon, stop fucking spamming with this shit coin! stay away from xspectre. every newbie come on forum and read some spamming shit about how good spectre coin is then invest in that shit coin and start spamming by himself. well guys  at the end of 2018 you will be wery dissapointed.