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Title: [CLOSED-refunds process]Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 18, 2013, 08:25:41 PM Hi,
just wanted to see where we stand in terms of Avalon chips deliveries. There is probably many more, but these are most known (at least to me). I'll be doing a review of chips group buy order date and deliveries concluding this day - 2013-09-01: Zefir - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.0 Code: 2013-04-30: Batch 7 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-09 ---> - 56 days Code: 2013-04-17: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-06-26 - delivered - 2013-08-27 - 63 days late Code: 2013-04-27: Batch 1 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-06 ---> - 58 days Code: 2013-07-06: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-14 ---> + 14 days Code: 2013-07-07: Batch 6 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-15 ---> + 15 days Code: 2013-06-30: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-15 ---> - 18 days https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158806.msg2370446#msg2370446 Code: 2013-06-01: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-08-10 ---> - 23 days Code: 2013-07-08: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-16 ---> + 17 days Code: 2013-07-06: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-09-14 ---> + 14 days Total 230K of chips 190K are already late 40K still in time frame When we sum up these ones being late as they are, 230K of chips that Avalon didn't deliver, and Yifu's stating "130K chips gone out", it is clear it will not cover just for these at the moment of writing, another 130k chips have gone out, and will proceed to ship more as we get them. ( and no, they are not samples.) Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw? http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/ Maybe you think Yifu offered to clear all unanswered questions? Take a look and see for yourself. http://avalon-asics.com/ Call me impatient one, but here is what I think about it. http://i41.tinypic.com/b9ac02.jpg New update from Avalon http://avalon-asics.com/ Quote story so far - 8/19 chips have arrived via other routes as previously announced, we are shipping them out at the rate of 40-50k on a daily basis at the moment, in addition to the ~150k or so that went out, another 40k was shipped today. There is multiple channel which the chips are arriving from various packaging facility to minimize downtime. Please bare this in mind: while we had backup/multiple packaging companies and various delivery routes, things still will go wrong. There is also testing that must be done, then they can split, packed and sent to the EZP coupled with their CN-22 and be on their way. We will provide more update as they come. In addition, the trade-in and refunds are being processed. Let us see how this one goes. Since this thread started two buyers (as I know) received their "shipped" info notification, and probably their tracking numbers. It seems to be that being late 2 month over 10 weeks terms of delivery is business as usual for Avalon and Yifu. Courtesy of paul3 Combined spreadsheet with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU (https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU)). https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing Info about the data in the spreadsheet: Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5. In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips. News letter from Avalon 2013-08-31 Quote Avalon ASIC Chips Shipping, Refunds, and Status Update Avalon ASIC Chips Delivery Update, September Edition Due to events outside of our control, the delivery of chips have been delayed so far. While the situation are improving and chips are shipping, we have ultimately decided to revert our policy on no refunds and offer the option for customers to request a full refund(in bitcoin) if so desired. The link to the request form is below, please note this only applies to orders made earlier than June 1st. In other news, for those who decided to wait or wish to know more about delivery schedule will be glad to note we are receiving a batch of 400,000+ chips on Wednesday, with that we expect to be in good shape for meeting the upcoming deadlines of chip deliveries for orders made in June and later. In addition, we hope to wrap up generation one, finish shipping the chips, construct the modules and build the 2 module Avalon mini, put this pre-order mess behind us in general and switch gear into 55nm production, tape out generation 3, and start work on improving chip design for generation 4. Only sell what we can produce in a day on the assembly line, and only what's in stock. And here is where Yifu extends timeline when GB were ordered Anyhow, If people think I'm trying to screw the people who ordered from 15th to the 22th of June that is just silly, and false in their assumption. Here's the new deal, The form will extend to orders made before the 22nd, which is exatly 10 weeks. and every order after, on the date it is suppose to ship, we'll send out a email asking if a refund is desired. While I have no problems issue refunds, compensating for delay and such, I got no patience for people complaining when their orders are not late. Not too surprisingly, the people complaining the loudest are people whose order are not late yet(so more people refund and they can get their chips earlier maybe?), and people who have no orders(standard trolls of bitcointalk). Most people who have chip orders are much more understanding to the situation, whom are either taking refunds, or working out some sort of compensation model. Showing himself in very positive light and doing what should be done, more then few batches were refunded immediately. Thank you Yifu for doing the right thing and finally listening to your customers! Refunds will be noted in a way - first in, first out - so shipping delay can be calculated fairly. If you have more group buys with known status, link and day when ordered, just post them and I will add them to OP. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: ampu on August 18, 2013, 08:44:11 PM From bizwoo GB
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200067.0 Batch 1 Order #10605 made on June 8, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @20/06/2013 Batch 2 Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @08/07/2013 Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: AdamKD on August 18, 2013, 09:22:29 PM Pretty much this. It's a clear disappointment with respect to someone who appeared to be a honest and a "no BS" kind of person. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: MinermanNC on August 18, 2013, 10:01:35 PM Great info! keep it up ::)
Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: ionstorm on August 18, 2013, 10:10:03 PM Well there is at least 60,000 chips ahead of steamboats group buy #1. Hopefully group buy #1 is included in the 130,000 chips shipped, but highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: trigeek on August 18, 2013, 10:37:32 PM Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw? STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135. The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc. It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Bogart on August 18, 2013, 10:43:53 PM From ragingazn628's GB thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177994.msg1960159#msg1960159 10k chips ordered 27-April. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: MinermanNC on August 19, 2013, 12:49:27 AM From ragingazn628's GB thread: Thx :)https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177994.msg1960159#msg1960159 10k chips ordered 27-April. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: AdamKD on August 19, 2013, 01:52:41 AM Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw? STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135. The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc. It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was. Ummm ... it is 135. Unless 135 means 24 in which case the world is less sane than I thought it is: http://www.track-shipments.com/track-trace.aspx?pref=AWB&awbno=87150508076 Quote Most surprisingly, there is evidence that there were actually 135 boxes in the shipment that arrived for these photographs. This would indicate 593 TH/s at the standard 282 MH/s clock speed, or a monstrous 842 TH/s overclocked to 400 MH/s per chip. Given the high estimate, that would add almost 500% to the network speed. (http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/)Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Bogart on August 19, 2013, 02:48:28 AM Marto74 Batch 1 ordered 17-June:
Order sent in (and fees, refunds etc sent): http://blockchain.info/tx/2fc131341eb95774aaa07d4e30b78e5488fb2d2f430dee14871455854fcec5e7 Order #10945 made on June 17, 2013. Batch 2 ordered 06-July: 2-nd batch order Quote Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: processing. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: AtomSea on August 19, 2013, 08:04:14 AM I'll be doing a review of chips group buy order date and deliveries concluding this day - 2013-08-18 +1Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 19, 2013, 01:40:05 PM From bizwoo GB https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200067.0 Batch 1 Order #10605 made on June 8, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @20/06/2013 Batch 2 Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: chips ordered. @08/07/2013 Thanks, added. Great info! keep it up ::) Thank you, I appreciate your comment :) Well there is at least 60,000 chips ahead of steamboats group buy #1. Hopefully group buy #1 is included in the 130,000 chips shipped, but highly doubt it. Probably not. Our orders are most likely tip of an iceberg. Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw? STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135. The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc. It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was. Many tend to disagree with you on this mater. And I dare to think that if you employee logic you will disagree with yourself also. Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw? STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135. The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc. It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was. Ummm ... it is 135. Unless 135 means 24 in which case the world is less sane than I thought it is: http://www.track-shipments.com/track-trace.aspx?pref=AWB&awbno=87150508076 Quote Most surprisingly, there is evidence that there were actually 135 boxes in the shipment that arrived for these photographs. This would indicate 593 TH/s at the standard 282 MH/s clock speed, or a monstrous 842 TH/s overclocked to 400 MH/s per chip. Given the high estimate, that would add almost 500% to the network speed. (http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/)Marto74 Batch 1 ordered 17-June: Order sent in (and fees, refunds etc sent): http://blockchain.info/tx/2fc131341eb95774aaa07d4e30b78e5488fb2d2f430dee14871455854fcec5e7 Order #10945 made on June 17, 2013. Batch 2 ordered 06-July: 2-nd batch order Quote Order #11321 made on July 6, 2013. Order status: processing. Thanks, added. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Newscastix on August 19, 2013, 02:15:17 PM Great topic.. finally one place to check the status all the group buys..
Lets see if some chips show up "soon"... Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: eroxors on August 19, 2013, 02:42:15 PM Very helpful. Will you be updating it daily?
Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 19, 2013, 02:43:51 PM Great topic.. finally one place to check the status all the group buys.. Lets see if some chips show up "soon"... Thanks, it is good to see people find it useful. Very helpful. Will you be updating it daily? I plan to. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Xialla on August 19, 2013, 02:49:05 PM you should also add this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189582.0 Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: paul3 on August 19, 2013, 06:04:18 PM Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU (https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU)).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing Info about the data in the spreadsheet: Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5. In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips. Group Buy Date didn't match payment date 1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on: Code: 2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp (https://blockchain.info/de/address/1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp) not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins. 2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table. What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches? Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 19, 2013, 06:13:37 PM you should also add this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189582.0 Thanks, it's added. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: rocks on August 19, 2013, 06:24:24 PM I think the main group buy organizers should band together and contact the FBI regarding this $10M scam. At this point it is clear that Yifu sold chips to the highest bidder destroying any future ROI for customers on chips he may or may not deliver. This is a larger scam than pirate and the government developed a case and took him down.
Engaging the government on illegal actions such as this only helps strengthen and legitimize Bitcoin. Most people I know are into Bitcoin because it is a currency that the bankers can not debase and reward just themselves. That is a legitimate goal. We don't want to see Bitcoin turn into a den of thieves that only transfers abuse from bankers to guys like Yifu and pirate. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 19, 2013, 06:28:05 PM Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU (https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU)). https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing Info about the data in the spreadsheet: Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5. In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips. Group Buy Date didn't match payment date 1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on: Code: 2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp (https://blockchain.info/de/address/1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp) not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins. 2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table. What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches? I don't know can we/you manage to link all the orders with payments since there was no obligation for group buyers to buy from wallet address they used to collect funds, and some also used escrow? SebastianJu' batch #2 was paid, and order status was changed to "chips ordered" as per Sebastian's OP, but I will let him know about this so we can "hear" what he "says" about it. I have to clarify that I have full confident in Sebastian and I appreciate all the effort he did to justify his role as group buy leader, so if anything wrong happened I would see it as mistake and nothing more. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: paul3 on August 19, 2013, 06:31:46 PM I don't know can we/you manage to link all the orders with payments since there was no obligation for group buyers to buy from wallet address they used to collect funds, and some also used escrow? SebastianJu' batch #2 was paid, and order status was changed to "chips ordered" as per Sebastian's OP, but I will let him know about this so we can "hear" what he "says" about it. I have to clarify that I have full confident in Sebastian and I appreciate all the effort he did to justify his role as group buy leader, so if anything wrong happened I would see it as mistake and nothing more. Oh, I think you understand me wrong, there is the payment for batch #2 -> https://blockchain.info/de/address/1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp - it just doesn't show up on the "big" avalon payment address. There is a big gap on this addresse between 2013-05-11 14:57:58 and 2013-05-22 02:17:07. Seems there are actually more orders than the 97 batches on 1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 19, 2013, 06:34:04 PM I don't know can we/you manage to link all the orders with payments since there was no obligation for group buyers to buy from wallet address they used to collect funds, and some also used escrow? SebastianJu' batch #2 was paid, and order status was changed to "chips ordered" as per Sebastian's OP, but I will let him know about this so we can "hear" what he "says" about it. I have to clarify that I have full confident in Sebastian and I appreciate all the effort he did to justify his role as group buy leader, so if anything wrong happened I would see it as mistake and nothing more. Oh, I think you understand me wrong, there is the payment for batch #2 -> https://blockchain.info/de/address/1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp - it just doesn't show up on the "big" avalon payment address. There is a big gap on this addresse between 2013-05-11 14:57:58 and 2013-05-22 02:17:07. Seems there are actually more orders than the 97 batches on 1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU. my bad then :) , anyways I sent PM to Sebastian so he will probably reply later. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 19, 2013, 06:36:31 PM I think the main group buy organizers should band together and contact the FBI regarding this $10M scam. At this point it is clear that Yifu sold chips to the highest bidder destroying any future ROI for customers on chips he may or may not deliver. This is a larger scam than pirate and the government developed a case and took him down. Engaging the government on illegal actions such as this only helps strengthen and legitimize Bitcoin. Most people I know are into Bitcoin because it is a currency that the bankers can not debase and reward just themselves. That is a legitimate goal. We don't want to see Bitcoin turn into a den of thieves that only transfers abuse from bankers to guys like Yifu and pirate. Maybe we also send .... https://dronewarsuk.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/predator-firing-missile4.jpg ...... ? To clarify, being late can't be seen as a scam .... it's common knowledge. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 19, 2013, 06:49:09 PM Ok, now something completely off topic.
Eight Signs to Help You Detect Whether Someone is Lying to You! http://socyberty.com/psychology/eight-signs-to-help-you-detect-whether-someone-is-lying-to-you/ Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: rocks on August 19, 2013, 08:51:13 PM To clarify, being late can't be seen as a scam .... it's common knowledge. But this is not being late, that is the issue. What is common knowledge is taking product that was paid for, manufactured for and allocated to a specific set of customers, and reselling that product to another 2nd customer for a higher price, is illegal and fraudulent. In this situation the group buy payments (millions of dollars) were used to secure manufacture of product from TSMC, Yifu then turned around and resold that paid for product to a higher bidder. That is plainly illegal. Even if Yifu then takes this higher bidder funds to purchase another round of TSMC chips and deliver those, it is still illegal. Doubly so since the time value of the product has been destroyed. Yifu promised a time schedule and purposefully broke that to profit himself with zero compensation to customers. So the statement that it's common knowledge that being late is OK, is both wrong and absurd in this case. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: SebastianJu on August 19, 2013, 11:06:48 PM Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw? STOP saying this. There were 24 boxes of chips, NOT 135. The tracking number was for the entire shipment which included other items. The boxes were clearly labeled as 1/24, etc. It was still 24 boxes of chips, but not nearly as many as people think it was. What were these other items? Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: SebastianJu on August 19, 2013, 11:09:24 PM Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU (https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU)). https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing Info about the data in the spreadsheet: Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5. In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips. Group Buy Date didn't match payment date 1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on: Code: 2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp (https://blockchain.info/de/address/1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp) not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins. 2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table. What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches? Its correct, 4 of our batch payments went to the collecting address but one payment is still lying at the address i had to pay to at bitinstant, so its a bitinstant controlled address. I wonder why Yifu lets lying around so much bitcoins at a website since everybody knows how often it happens that a website goes scammy or dies or whatever. I dont feel very good when i know my bitcoins out at another website. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: acidu on August 20, 2013, 08:50:47 AM thank you for your effort to bring up all that we need in one place
thx again Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 20, 2013, 03:51:28 PM To clarify, being late can't be seen as a scam .... it's common knowledge. But this is not being late, that is the issue. What is common knowledge is taking product that was paid for, manufactured for and allocated to a specific set of customers, and reselling that product to another 2nd customer for a higher price, is illegal and fraudulent. In this situation the group buy payments (millions of dollars) were used to secure manufacture of product from TSMC, Yifu then turned around and resold that paid for product to a higher bidder. That is plainly illegal. Even if Yifu then takes this higher bidder funds to purchase another round of TSMC chips and deliver those, it is still illegal. Doubly so since the time value of the product has been destroyed. Yifu promised a time schedule and purposefully broke that to profit himself with zero compensation to customers. So the statement that it's common knowledge that being late is OK, is both wrong and absurd in this case. Can you prove your saying about selling to higher bidder? People and companies are being late all the time. thank you for your effort to bring up all that we need in one place thx again no problem :) Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 20, 2013, 03:54:15 PM Thanks for the work tiros. I made a spreadsheet out of your data in combination with the avalon payment address (1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU (https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU)). https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiLYkKIHJaIsdHpIaGdUOWRYVUdncTNpNlVKbVhCbEE&usp=sharing Info about the data in the spreadsheet: Order: There are some payments that don't have the hole payment amount in one transaction, these have the same Order "ID". For example order 4 -> Payment 1: 700.6, Payment 2: 55, Payment 1: 26.5. In total there are 54 orders, containing 97 * 10.000 Chips. Group Buy Date didn't match payment date 1. There is no payment for SebastianJu Batch #2 on: Code: 2013-05-18: Batch 2 ordered - Expected date of arrival (10 weeks) - 2013-07-27 ---> - 23 days I added it to an order made on 2013-05-22. Anyway the bitcoins are still here 1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp (https://blockchain.info/de/address/1ECoeDfK79CNm1Mzx6NMMkZrHVocwNg6Sp) not transfered to the bitcoin address with 75k Bitcoins. 2. There are some group buys you have listed that don't show up on this bitcoin address. I added this group buys on the end of the table. What do you think is this spreadsheet usefull? Are there any infos on other delivered batches? Its correct, 4 of our batch payments went to the collecting address but one payment is still lying at the address i had to pay to at bitinstant, so its a bitinstant controlled address. I wonder why Yifu lets lying around so much bitcoins at a website since everybody knows how often it happens that a website goes scammy or dies or whatever. I dont feel very good when i know my bitcoins out at another website. Only great master of Y(oda)ifu can answer that one, I guess. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 20, 2013, 04:02:24 PM Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 21, 2013, 09:49:05 AM List updated and some minor mistakes corrected.
Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Vbs on August 21, 2013, 03:23:26 PM You can add these two from ActiveMining: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158806.msg2370446#msg2370446 :)
28th May https://blockchain.info/tx/1ba8f144d6dcc4c07dc89b8a4a4112e2d83e619f26f9f7426c65c09c1d8a90c7 1st June https://blockchain.info/tx/51c441dd02c7743800e17c8cdc53c3af26a543da9cf2e989754950b7251ef907 Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 21, 2013, 06:31:49 PM You can add these two from ActiveMining: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158806.msg2370446#msg2370446 :) 28th May https://blockchain.info/tx/1ba8f144d6dcc4c07dc89b8a4a4112e2d83e619f26f9f7426c65c09c1d8a90c7 1st June https://blockchain.info/tx/51c441dd02c7743800e17c8cdc53c3af26a543da9cf2e989754950b7251ef907 Thanks it is added. :) Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: dexX7 on August 22, 2013, 06:05:19 PM Really really nice work!
Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw? http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/ Actually TGB was sloppy and confused about the difference between a "Master Air Way Bill" and a "House Air Way Bill". One is the identifier for the whole delivery of the shipping company, the other one for each individual recipient. Both are visible on the parcels and they are labeled with n/24. The conclusion is obvious, I guess. My estimate (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187660.msg2699965#msg2699965) was 187200 chips and guaranteed less than (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252977.msg2697384#msg2697384) 374400 chips. Order #3 with 200000 chips maybe? Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 23, 2013, 02:42:03 PM Really really nice work! Where are those 135 boxes of chips we saw? http://thegenesisblock.com/latest-shipment-of-avalon-asics-could-increase-network-hashrate-by-500/ Actually TGB was sloppy and confused about the difference between a "Master Air Way Bill" and a "House Air Way Bill". One is the identifier for the whole delivery of the shipping company, the other one for each individual recipient. Both are visible on the parcels and they are labeled with n/24. The conclusion is obvious, I guess. My estimate (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187660.msg2699965#msg2699965) was 187200 chips and guaranteed less than (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252977.msg2697384#msg2697384) 374400 chips. Order #3 with 200000 chips maybe? Thank you :) To be honest I didn't go in details checking the number. Maybe good way to find out is to know weight of one package alone? I go by this logic; If they made a mistake and wrote 135 boxes how possible is to make two mistakes and write 853 kg for weight of shipment? So it is 6.31kg per package if there was 135 boxes or 35.54kg per package if there was 24 boxes. I believe Zefir can confirm what is the truth by letting us know what was the weight of package or what is the weight of one chip. I am aware not only chips adds to package weight of course, but we can conclude pretty accurate was there 135 or 24 boxes. Edit:update from zefir by PM Quote from: zefir I'd say the first is true - definitively below 8kg. I put one of the smaller packages on our kitchen scales: 3368 chips are 2.15 kg, so 6.5 for 10k chips is quite accurate. So it looks like impossible to have two mistakes in one tracking form from shipping/forwarding company and based on weight we can conclude there was 135 boxes after all. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Xialla on August 23, 2013, 08:14:44 PM FYI/A
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.msg2994052#msg2994052 Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 23, 2013, 09:07:18 PM FYI/A https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.msg2994052#msg2994052 Thanks! That was fast I'll admit. Only few days passed since zefir received shipping confirmation. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Bitcoinorama on August 23, 2013, 09:17:02 PM FYI/A https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=177827.msg2994052#msg2994052 Thanks! That was fast I'll admit. Only few days passed since zefir received shipping confirmation. Gridchip June; http://j.mp/18PAZKW Zephir Aug; http://j.mp/18PB6pQ Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 23, 2013, 11:28:51 PM Thanks Bitcoinorama
Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: dnaleor on August 25, 2013, 12:30:36 PM Watching this video makes me angry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY1xgGiejIc Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 25, 2013, 03:44:25 PM Watching this video makes me angry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY1xgGiejIc I feel the same Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 25, 2013, 11:34:02 PM Thread updated and no new chips deliveries reported.
Yifu, ooooooooooo Yifu ........... >:( Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 27, 2013, 03:34:53 PM Tread updated. Let me know if anything new appears.
Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: mruiter on August 27, 2013, 06:50:33 PM Tread updated. Let me know if anything new appears. I dont see any updates am i right ? Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: dnaleor on August 27, 2013, 09:32:27 PM I am in the process of contacting a chinese suplier at alibaba who is offering chips for 30 USD.
I also asked him about how it's possible he can deliver. If I have any info (I doubt it) I'll post it here! Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Xialla on August 27, 2013, 09:32:53 PM big time coin just received his chips:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282452.0 Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: bystander on August 27, 2013, 09:44:05 PM ^Glad to see Big Time Coin receive his chips, if they're following chronological order that means Zefir's batch 3 is coming up and then raginazn's order is around the corner.
Big Time Coin's chips have a date code of 1332. Thought it might have been 2013, work week #32. In the unboxing thread, JimRome suggests "Assuming ISO8601 format, week 32 would translate to the week of August 5-11" which sounds much more accurate. (rack him) It appears the chips were sent out on Aug 21 from HKG, cleared customs on Aug 22, and could've been delivered as early as Aug 23, but they were delivered earlier today. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: dnaleor on August 27, 2013, 10:32:46 PM ^Glad to see Big Time Coin receive his chips, if they're following chronological order that means Zefir's batch 3 is coming up and then raginazn's order is around the corner. [sarcasm]WOOHOO!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D PARTY !!!![/sarcasm] I'm waiting for the chips in marto74's batch1... Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 27, 2013, 10:43:50 PM Tread updated. Let me know if anything new appears. I dont see any updates am i right ? I am updating how many days passed from scheduled delivery of chips, status of shipment and adding any new group buys found with help of this community. In that one last update only days passed has been updated. big time coin just received his chips: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282452.0 Thanks once again Xialla! Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: gidi337 on August 28, 2013, 01:57:45 PM just wandering how come terrahash is not on this list
see here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.3720 regards Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: peetah on August 29, 2013, 07:39:35 AM Is this just for group buys?
Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Bitcoinorama on August 29, 2013, 11:47:45 AM Is this just for group buys? with all due resect buddy, the title suggests just that... Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: peetah on August 29, 2013, 02:17:25 PM Is this just for group buys? with all due resect buddy, the title suggests just that... Thanks, and I sincerely deserved that. Was just wondering if there was anyway to make the list incorporate the other 75 percent of the total order list. Without hijacking this thread of course. At this point in time the onus is no longer on group buy folks anymore is it? Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on August 29, 2013, 04:42:18 PM Looks like group buy organizers will get their chance to get refund on delayed deliveries as per Yifu's say or chance to choose what to do.
FYI Dear BitSyncom, I organized one of the first group-buys for Avalon ASICs with a total of 80k chips during the second half of April. I already received the first two orders, and while they arrived later than agreed, I understand the difficulties you faced with delivery and am happy to have enabled some DIY projects to produce boards with an expected break-even potential. With the further delays and the recent development in the mining market, we already passed the point where your chips will ever see a ROI. While the accelerated development of next-gen ASICs and the resulting increase in difficulty is every miners' risk issue, the delay is not. Decision to order the chips was based on your ToS giving a 9-10 weeks delivery time, and with the remaining orders being late for at least 8 weeks you for sure are aware that the chips lost their chance to make back their investment. As you can imagine, all users desperately waiting for their chips are becoming more and more impatient. I personally have ~200 very sad and upset people in my group-buy and I feel very desperate and helpless not being able to do anything about it. Yifu, it is only some months ago where you have been one of the most respected and honored person in Bitcoinland. I strongly believe that all this mess is a result of issues out of your control. Nevertheless with power comes responsibility, and now it is on you to take responsibility for the masses of folks out there who put serious amount of coins into your chips. If you really care about Bitcoin and its community, you can't just stand there and watch how disappointed users leave the scene. As group-buy organizer and large-scale buyer I would like to suggest you several options to compensate chip-buyers for the late delivery: a) refund: no chips, full refund b) compensation in BTC: deliver chips, compensate XX% of the initial price c) compensation in chips: deliver chips, add YY% more chips as compensation d) compensation by upgrades: no chips, convert orders to next-gen chip orders Would you be willing and capable to consider those suggestions? If so, I'd be glad to negotiate between my group-buyers and you to reach some agreement acceptable for both sides. Also, I would include other group-buy organizers to come to a generic agreement. For the sake of Bitcoin, please come back to me and let's bring this, that poisoned the community already enough, to an end. Best Regards zefir I'm glad the group buyer leaders are more understanding. a) I am very open to this, this is what I suggest. b) I am not a fan of this, on a principle level I rather do a full refund. plus, I rather sell the chips once we have them in hand at a discount, instead of letting people wait.( which is about the same as doing a partial refund in my opinion.) c) this will not be good, as you know the chips isn't going to get here any faster, and ordering more would run into more delays ( this is the worst option, do not offer.) d) while in theory this option sounds the best for us right? we keep the money, tout our gen2/3/4 chips and etc etc, but reality is we want to stay away from all pre-orders in the future. as you can imagine, all the problems, rumors and just about everything is caused by the fact we took pre-orders, and we will no longer be doing this. you are welcome to post this in your thread. How fast those refund will be processed is another question having in mind that not many (I know for only one) refund for Avalon batch #3 miner was processed. Today also it came to Yifu's knowledge (as he says) that those Avalon batch #3 miners refunds has not been processed and he will be working hard to accelerate that process. ok. this is pretty stupid of me, and completely my fault. the system is designed to move cold storage to hot wallet -> then send out refunds. but apparently the move failed and the script tried to send a bunch of refunds while the input contained no coins... 1000 coins have been moved and script resumed, I'm sure people should see refunds instantly and can vouch. and once I get back on location I can enable more coins to be moved and thus refund resumed. again, I apologize for the long delay. Not sure but if refunds get stuck in customsTM it's going to be a problem. :P so all the refunds went out, aside from 2 orders which bugged out for whatever reason, and is looking into it now, those are 6997 and 6817. To be honest I was surprised to see people logging in and saying they got their refund. Well, I didn't doubt that refund would be processed but also didn't expect such a speed. Looks at Yifu being so responsive is so nice to see. Ok, now its time to decide what to do! I would take the chips if exact shipping date (1-3 days precise) is near or few days from now, otherwise refund. You can all imagine that Yifu could answer that question if he wold take a look at his orders backlog but I don't think he will because of the noise. Confirmed by block chain. Refund already has one confirmation. Phew... That is a relief.. completely my fault there. I would visit forum more to see problems, but the noise... Ok guys you know it now! All of us should blame the noise and keep quiet. Yifu's prerequisite for conducting healthy business is that you can't complain and make noise. One would say he could ignore nasty comments that were out of line and answer to customers that placed few orders of Avalon chips, but noise was preventing him for doing so. One who don't want to do something will find thousand of excuses not to do it, and one who want to do something will find thousand of ways to do it. I look at such an issue as a matter of your own will to make an effort, and once if all resorts fail you, you can always reply on email or bloody support ticket. Right now I guess we should all be thankful Yifu decided to reply to zefir and give us chance to decide are we going to wait for chips or grab our BTC back. So to conclude this, thank you Yifu for finally doing the right thing and ask as for our opinion. just wandering how come terrahash is not on this list see here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.3720 regards He isn't on the list for a reason I don't know when he ordered chips. If you know just link to such post I will be happy to add it to OP. I believe his order could be found in google spreed-sheet posted by paul3, but I have no way to identify it. Thank you for your effort and time to post this info. Regards, tiros Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: dnaleor on August 30, 2013, 01:50:10 PM an idea for the spreadsheet:
Maybe also add a colum 'Asked for refund' and 'Refund received' ? So we can track the orders that need delivery :) Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Kartaiv on August 30, 2013, 03:59:32 PM If these were really shipping at 40-50k daily more group buys would have received shipping notification by this point... (Zefir batch 3 and batch 4).
Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 06:11:11 PM If these were really shipping at 40-50k daily more group buys would have received shipping notification by this point... (Zefir batch 3 and batch 4). I am thinking the same thing.It would be nice to get a realistic update on when to expect batch arrivals. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Micky25 on August 30, 2013, 06:46:49 PM As group-buy organizer and large-scale buyer I would like to suggest you several options to compensate chip-buyers for the late delivery: a) refund: no chips, full refund b) compensation in BTC: deliver chips, compensate XX% of the initial price c) compensation in chips: deliver chips, add YY% more chips as compensation d) compensation by upgrades: no chips, convert orders to next-gen chip orders I'm glad the group buyer leaders are more understanding. a) I am very open to this, this is what I suggest. b) I am not a fan of this, on a principle level I rather do a full refund. plus, I rather sell the chips once we have them in hand at a discount, instead of letting people wait.( which is about the same as doing a partial refund in my opinion.) c) this will not be good, as you know the chips isn't going to get here any faster, and ordering more would run into more delays ( this is the worst option, do not offer.) d) while in theory this option sounds the best for us right? we keep the money, tout our gen2/3/4 chips and etc etc, but reality is we want to stay away from all pre-orders in the future. as you can imagine, all the problems, rumors and just about everything is caused by the fact we took pre-orders, and we will no longer be doing this. you are welcome to post this in your thread. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: fasmax on August 30, 2013, 07:06:07 PM I am afraid you might be right.
Maybe it did not make sense to manufacture the 110 nm chips since the 55 nm chips are so close to delivery. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: AdamKD on August 31, 2013, 05:30:59 PM This:
REFUNDS for CHIPS... when? and this: If these were really shipping at 40-50k daily more group buys would have received shipping notification by this point... (Zefir batch 3 and batch 4). Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: anykeywhy on August 31, 2013, 08:57:31 PM *** FYI *** Quote Avalon ASIC [/quote]Chips Delivery Update, September Edition Due to events outside of our control, the delivery of chips have been delayed so far. While the situation are improving and chips are shipping, we have ultimately decided to revert our policy on no refunds and offer the option for customers to request a full refund(in bitcoin) if so desired. The link to the request form is below, please note this only applies to orders made earlier than June 1st. In other news, for those who decided to wait or wish to know more about delivery schedule will be glad to note we are receiving a batch of 400,000+ chips on Wednesday, with that we expect to be in good shape for meeting the upcoming deadlines of chip deliveries for orders made in June and later. In addition, we hope to wrap up generation one, finish shipping the chips, construct the modules and build the 2 module Avalon mini, put this pre-order mess behind us in general and switch gear into 55nm production, tape out generation 3, and start work on improving chip design for generation 4. Only sell what we can produce in a day on the assembly line, and only what's in stock. Best Regards!!! ;D -anykeywhy- Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: fasmax on September 01, 2013, 06:39:22 AM It would be nice if this list could track refund status.
I think 3 of SebastianJu group buys have been refunded. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on September 01, 2013, 09:55:02 AM *** FYI *** Quote Avalon ASIC Chips Delivery Update, September Edition Due to events outside of our control, the delivery of chips have been delayed so far. While the situation are improving and chips are shipping, we have ultimately decided to revert our policy on no refunds and offer the option for customers to request a full refund(in bitcoin) if so desired. The link to the request form is below, please note this only applies to orders made earlier than June 1st. In other news, for those who decided to wait or wish to know more about delivery schedule will be glad to note we are receiving a batch of 400,000+ chips on Wednesday, with that we expect to be in good shape for meeting the upcoming deadlines of chip deliveries for orders made in June and later. In addition, we hope to wrap up generation one, finish shipping the chips, construct the modules and build the 2 module Avalon mini, put this pre-order mess behind us in general and switch gear into 55nm production, tape out generation 3, and start work on improving chip design for generation 4. Only sell what we can produce in a day on the assembly line, and only what's in stock. Best Regards!!! ;D -anykeywhy- Thanks, I got it also. It would be nice if this list could track refund status. I think 3 of SebastianJu group buys have been refunded. I will be adding refunds in OP. Refunds will be noted in a way - first in, first out - so shipping delay can be calculated fairly. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: cpengr on September 02, 2013, 07:10:28 PM It would be nice if this list could track refund status. I think 3 of SebastianJu group buys have been refunded. I will be adding refunds in OP. Refunds will be noted in a way - first in, first out - so shipping delay can be calculated fairly. tiros, thanks for putting this together. I do agree that refund requests and completion should be tracked in the OP. However, I don't think that FIFO is the fair way to do it. Seems like it's letting Yifu off easy--which appears to be what's he's trying to make happen. Suppose you had two spots in Avalon's queue (among many other buyers), and Yifu says, "sorry we're delayed, you'll have to give up your first spot (refund), but keep your second," (EDIT: which is behind many other buyers) would you really think that was fair? The buying should remain FIFO (first-come, first served); thus the refunds should be LIFO. This also shows the full extent of the delay, which I think is appropriate. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on September 02, 2013, 07:22:56 PM It would be nice if this list could track refund status. I think 3 of SebastianJu group buys have been refunded. I will be adding refunds in OP. Refunds will be noted in a way - first in, first out - so shipping delay can be calculated fairly. tiros, thanks for putting this together. I do agree that refund requests and completion should be tracked in the OP. However, I don't think that FIFO is the fair way to do it. Seems like it's letting Yifu off easy--which appears to be what's he's trying to make happen. Suppose you had two spots in Avalon's queue (among many other buyers), and Yifu says, "sorry we're delayed, you'll have to give up your first spot (refund), but keep your second," (EDIT: which is behind many other buyers) would you really think that was fair? The buying should remain FIFO (first-come, first served); thus the refunds should be LIFO. This also shows the full extent of the delay, which I think is appropriate. When refund is offered for chips shipments that were delayed, once we accept refund or carry on with waiting for delivery, Avalon and Yifu did their parts to undo (at least partly) wrongs they did. Anyway since chips from various buyers and batches are mixed now, batch number have no meaning anymore. Yifu is of the hook now, as he did right thing. Could it been better? It probably could, but we don't have all the info and know stuff that were happening behind closed doors so all we can do is to guess. Now one thing remains and that is for Yifu to process refund request and give BTC back. He did so for few batches, but zefir didn't got his and right now he is refunding his customers out of his own pocket. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: cpengr on September 02, 2013, 07:44:09 PM When refund is offered for chips shipments that were delayed, once we accept refund or carry on with waiting for delivery, Avalon and Yifu did their parts to undo (at least partly) wrongs they did. I agree on the partly, but not that they've done their part. I've explained how losing your place in queue is adding one wrong to another, and that by refunding the first batches before the later ones (or if you display it as such), you're letting Avalon off easy, and allowing this mess to be partly swept under the rug. You appear to be disagreeing with me, but offering no real argument to support your point. Quote from: tiros Anyway since chips from various buyers and batches are mixed now, batch number have no meaning anymore. Mixed how? Quote from: tiros Yifu is of the hook now, as he did right thing. I most certainly disagree about the "off the hook" part. He's taken one step in the right direction. Anyway, if you still disagree with me, perhaps the most neutral way to display things will be to show the refunds separately, and not assign them to individual orders in your OP? Then readers can draw their own conclusions. Quote from: tiros Could it been better? It probably could, but we don't have all the info and know stuff that were happening behind closed doors so all we can do is to guess. Now one thing remains and that is for Yifu to process refund request and give BTC back. He did so for few batches, but zefir didn't got his and right now he is refunding his customers out of his own pocket. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Bicknellski on September 03, 2013, 03:45:28 AM "Off" the hook?
Not until everyone of his customers is properly refunded or compensated. I would suggest the community to refrain from doing any further business with him and his company until there is clear evidence that he he has addressed the woefully inadequate communication / customer service. He will certainly be on the hook for some time to come given there a still hundreds of thousands of dollars or product to be delivered or refunded. Some people have been compensated but let us not give praise just yet if at all. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: Bitoy on September 03, 2013, 05:14:06 AM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269950.msg3066689#msg3066689
Zefir 3 batches have been refunded. Title: Re: Avalon - Chips group buy order time frame and deliveries Post by: tiros on September 04, 2013, 01:57:45 PM We may disagree about it, but my personal opinion as Avalon offered refund is that Yifu is off the hook.
This thread was created for a reason to show how orders are being late and to measure it, and now when refund is offered it means Avalon contacted us in try to undo their wrongs and we had choice to make. It doesn't mean all disputes are solved, all refunds are received, it means they are listening and reacting. I am sure at the end all refunds will be received, and still it will left bitter taste in our mouth knowing it could be allot better with little more effort. Those who don't want to be dealing with Avalon, are free to make such a choice, but I see Avalon will fix many of their mistakes in next generation chips. Did they made all mistakes intentionally or not, we can speculate. Should they compensate at least to people who suffered losses because of their broken promises? If I would have funds I would compensate or donate to those customers of Avalon rig batch #3 and to those who put so much effort to design and produce working boards based on Avalon chips like burnin and bkkcoins. On other hand Avalon isn't obligated to do so, as they never promised you will be making money. I am closing this thread now when refunds are granted, this thread have no meaning anymore. Thanks to all that helped getting wider picture of colossal fail and cluster*ck these Avalon chips deliveries have been. |
