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The most popular link today on reddit.com/r/Bitcoin: OP wants to open a porn site with bitcoins but can't take criticism from a porn star offering him valuable advice. ABSOLUTE GOLD! (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/imfa5)

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20984.0 (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20984.0)

sad.  it's like an adult talking to children.

Thx for the link.  ;D

Vegetta, many people have told you, i will repeat:

Listen to free advice.

Even if you think she wanted to belittle you (i didnt get that impression), to most people it seems obvious that she did give valuable insight into a business YOU want to enter. Dont turn it away out of spite. LISTEN.

oh wow.. that thread is gripping reading.  Train wreck is right. I see outsiders (with relevant experience!) giving free advice civilly (at least at first), and the response is a mixture of petulance and paranoia, as if it's all some attack on bitcoin.

I found Jessy Kang's postings in that thread so insightful (and amusingly but justifiably abrasive)
that I thought I'd follow up on Vegetta's suggestion to 'Go search all her other posts in this forum'.

According to him she is a Troll, 'not interested in working with the Bitcoin community', and 'This is not the only post she is trouble making in !'

What I've actually found so far is someone astute enough and concerned enough about bitcoins image to worry that it might not be the right time for bitcoin to be associated with her (legal) adult-oriented business.

She makes great points about the media's portrayal of bitcoin and it's general lack of understanding of bitcoin - but also the bitcoin community's apparent lack of understanding of business reality.

Looks like I might have to venture into the politics part of the forum.
The sad thing is - enough rabid political sqawks seem to leak into the general cyberscape around bitcoin to scare off the average bitcoin-curious merchant.


(cue paranoid calls that I too am a shill paid to bring down bitcoin!)

I'm glad I was there for what seems to be on the most amusing threads in Bitcoin history, where Vegetta seems to have pissed off the whole internet lol.

Nah, you're just defending her because she's hawt, is what this obviously is. ;)

White knighting  ;)

That thread is priceless.

haha.. because of course.. we click on female profiles before reading any of their posts  ::)

She seems like the last person to need anyone white knighting for her.. either online or in person. ;)

That thread is pretty much an indication of everything that's wrong with Bitcoin's PR, and with these forums specifically.

I know of at least three small businesses that entertained the idea of accepting Bitcoin, until they looked at the political discussions on these forums. It's off-putting to many real business owners to read what people say here. They don't want to be associated with hard-libertarianism, tax evading or government conspiracy nuts. It's almost turned me off a few times myself - I don't want people to think I'm only associated with it to avoid paying taxes, I'm only associated with it because it's a cool technology and a cool experiment in human trust.

I was having a discussion with a fellow on IRC a few weeks back, because he's a full-tilt liberal and I'm a moderate with slightly-libertarian economic leanings... he brought up about how misogyny is so prevalent in the libertarian camp, and that thread just provided ample ammunition for his case. "I don't often give my respect to whores" indeed.

Maybe  it's time we brought back the Bitcoin PR thread and really put some work into educating people on this forum, because honestly I feel like we're driving real small businesses away with a lot of the bullshit here. It's hard enough to attract them anyway, we don't need to be pushing away everyone who's not an anacho-capitalist.

This forum is so full of people who want to believe with all their heart that Bitcoin can work (which is a good thing) that they automatically turn into yes-men for anything remotely Bitcoin related. I bet I could write a thread about a business to FedEx entire cars piece by piece for Bitcoins and I'd have more people telling me it could work than not - it's that bad. Anyone talking bad about my idea is automatically ousted by the community as a troll and we're on a freight-train of bullshit off into unknown territory while looking at a map that says "destination: profit".

Look at that thread: that's the sort of thing people from outside these forums are linking to, so that's how people who haven't heard of Bitcoins are seeing the project. Don't worry about the US government sabotaging Bitcoin, we're doing an awesome fuckin' job of that ourselves and it's not costing them a cent.

She's excellent. Don't be confused by the idea she's a shill, or because she's a dominatrix, or that she's a hot female or this or this or that... all of that stuff is irrelevant and utterly beside the point.

When someone knows what they are talking about and has taken the time to point out a few things it is better to listen, and be thankful that there is no charge. Simple as that. I only wish I had the app-skills to take on some of the ideas Jessy suggested.

I agree, mind you Mises and his pals didn't consider women to have anything worth bringing to the world other than their uterus's anyway. Libertarians are generally pretty misogynistic in my experience, they strike me as basically radical ultra-conservative in outlook, with private patriarchal power front and center over and above all over considerations, although this is never put in those specific terms.

I've often been put off from bitcoin by the dark undertone of bat-shit Randism that's so thick around here. Normal people giving the forum a look for the first time may easily dismiss the whole idea out of hand. The technology is a great idea but I worry it's biggest fans will eventually stove the things skull in with political vanity and rabid self-contradictory rants against Banksters, Keynes, Regulation, Fiat and Government.

This.   So much focus on the wrong things in that thread.  So amusing how it was made, was linked to in Reddit, and now it is back here on the forums as Bitcoin Discussion, talk about not letting shit go lol

Everyone thinks Vegetta is not going about his site the right way, he has advice, he did not take well to it, fuck it, let it go, this thread and possibly that reddit submission definitely did not help all this shit (but I understand people like picking on people online, sucks if it has real effects that hinder other business' from progressing with Bitcoin)

That thread is epic, no idea how I missed that. Jessy is awesome and unlike many around here, actually has a clue about running a business in the real world. Vegetta should've paid her for all the great advice she was giving away in that thread.


+9000

At the least he should have been sent a bill for the unnecessary repeated verbal lashings, shit ain't cheap in that market (then again it is a lot of business owners who like that).

Vegetta moved to my "ignore this" list around here (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20984.msg281082#msg281082)

Ignoring every good advice he got and running a most likely illegal adult VOD site/server from your home line....sure sounds like a good idea, if you don't care about laws or TOS of your ISP. Accepting Bitcoins on legal pornsites isn't a good idea yet simply because you can't verify the age of the users you are selling the content to. But who cares about the laws if you have the bandwith to sell girls on webcams for bitcoins to an underage audience from your basement :)

make it +9001

Ah, women on the internet: the drama will never end.

The lol here is how every (presumably male) Reddit reader jumps in the defence of poor Jessy, while it's obvious that she did not need any help and she practically moped the floor with that poor retarded kid. I must strike some balance: leave "special" bitcoiners alone, bitch !

Yeah, the fact that he even remotely thinks it's an option to host it at home should send anyone competent running in the opposite direction.


Proving yet again that anyone foolhardy enough to identify themselves as female on this forum does so at their own risk. I swear it's like a good portion of the loudmouths here found Bitcoin from /b/ or something.


Really? I participated in that thread, and I feel I did no such thing. In fact there are plenty of comments in the Reddit thread, this thread, and the original thread to the tune that if you could shut the fuck up about her lack of a Y chromosome and listen for two seconds you'd realize she's giving reasonably sound business advice.

It's just a common theme on these forums though - to hell with listening to people critique, to self-analyze and figure out how we can grow and improve as a community to attract new business. "You're a troll. You're a whore. I shouldn't be listening to you."

Can somebody give me a quick breakdown of the demographic that visits Reddit?

I don't find any of their articles to be productive nor the comments from ignorant people.

For the most part it's a very liberal site, though once you get outside the usual circle-jerk subreddits, it's quite balanced and occasionally a fairly rational conversation from both sides. /r/Guns and a few others are quite right-leaning.

Broadly: It's mostly the types of people who want to look at funny pictures but are put off by wading through the filth that is /b/.

reddit > bitcoin.org.  Never forget.

idk about that.

Can I take this time to make a quick suggestion?  Your website is a bit of a tease.  Anybody can find random xxx images on the internet.  How about some nerdy bitcoin girls on live cams?

Believe it or not, not everyone can find random xxx images on the internet, my site does more than fine :)  It was created as proof of concept using the Java Mining with me throwing in two Bitcoin related things a day, about, and so far it has legs of it's own, so I have no desire to go down any cam site path (and if I did, I assure you it wouldn't be started on any forum lol).

Jessy Kang has posted some very trollish posts in the past, so I don't blame people for taking her words with a grain of salt. In this case, though, she does make many good points.

This is why serious exchanges of ideas are best done on anonymous boards: neither reputation nor authority get in the way of ideas. Maybe in the future I'll add an anonymous section to the forum.

Sigh.  It sucks it would have to come to that.  I already notice the mass amount of hand on modding going on, it will be sad if there is a forum set up just so people can act rude and childish to each other :(

As another potential merchant interested in bitcoin (as well as interested in implementing bitcoin in a certain closed source shopping cart system used by merchants) I found her posts very enlightening.
I've read them all - except those that apparently were deleted by mods.

Please post evidence of her 'Trollish' posts.  Right now I'm taking *your* words with more than a grain of salt.
Evidence...  please.

Because the "philosophy" is just a fancy rebranding of the adolescent angst of (sometimes wealthy, and almost always white) misanthropes. Granted, many of these so-called "Libertarians" are in their 30s and 40s but, for one reason of another, never were able to advance beyond seeing the world in a teenage-level complexity.

Elggawf makes a very powerful point, something I myself have felt but have been unable to articulate as nicely. When you think about it, the Libertarian bent is a completely logical result. Bitcoin is nothing but a chance for folks of *precisely the same greed* as those who control and manipulate the existing monetary system, but weren't fortunate enough to be born into the inner circle and now chew on sour grapes as their primary hobby, to have their turn being at the front of the Ponzi scheme. You can see it right here in these forums. The kinds of things said in here in response to someone having had their money stolen - variations on "tough-luck-its-your-fault" - is no different than what the real economic rulers say to all of the "libertarian" on a daily basis, though not in such crass form.

The irony of it all is that all these gun-tootin' cowboys who long for 1849 again, choose to make use of their "decentralized, establishment threatening" coins for no real other purpose than speculating in a centralized market. This itself should clue bystanders as to what's really on the long-term for Bitcoin.

julz to the rescue!

Though it's all over, it's never too late to help a lady in distress :)

http://images.wikia.com/mtg/images/e/eb/White_Knight_1E.jpg

Cute image.. but this focus on the fact that the particular writer is female is tedious.

And irrelevant to the situation directly :)

But facts are facts, if she didn't possibly have a vagina, she would not have had the same amount of support from random internet people.  And I assure you 100% things would not have gone on this long just because Vegetta whines?  I know for a fact no one gives a shit about some guy starting a porn cam site whining to someone else online.  But I bet if that person is a female and she is being attacked verbally, well, it is the manly thing to do, type about the subject until it's over, then create more and more threads about it (like your other one)

Now that we are not talking about whatever the subject is, can we do that now?   What is the topic?  Why does anyone care about Vegetta and King?   Why is this Bitcoin discussion?  I'm lost at this point how this came back up as something other than an amusing thread, which it was :)

Great idea.  This place isn't enough of a cesspool, let's make it even more like 4chan.

Vegetta and his deaf ears represent a lot of what is wrong with the bit community his ignorance is stunning and HILARIOUS that's why this has so much attention.

This has nothing to do with her being a woman an it wasn't even immediately obvious she was a woman just someone offering sound advice. You're the only one making ANYTHING of her being female.

Agreeing with a woman does not a white knight make. The lady is NOT in distress. Now if everyone lampooned you for making dom jokes that would possibly be a different story.

Swing and a miss: You're missing every point I've been trying to make completely.

My point was female or no, most of what I've read from her has been well rounded perspective from a business owner attempting to integrate Bitcoin. I personally would have supported the things she's said even if she weren't female.. and yes, the discussion (for me anyway) is about koolaid-drinkin' Bitcoiners who sit in their own political and economic circle-jerks and are cutting the throat of the very economy they're allegedly trying to build. So it most certainly would have gone on this long if the main detractor in that thread wasn't female.

Everyone being a yes-man to every hair-brained business idea is not constructive - constructive criticism is. Look in the exchange threads, there's people who are experienced traders on other markets asking why our markets don't do this this or this, and the response is something along the lines of "waagh why can't everything go my way". Fuck that shit - to me the greatest strengths of some of these exchanges is that an idea is put out there and they listen. That's constructive!

Everyone jacking off to the same Randian philosophies that alienate much of the internet is not constructive to building an economy. When you say shit like "taxation is slavery" and "fuck off parasite" you alienate huge swaths of people who might really have something to bring to the economy and the only people you attract in return are the "damn gubmint ain't takin muh riches" types who guess what: through the very conditioning that led them to the situation they're in, are most likely more into precious metals than they would be Bitcoin anyway. Even if they do convert some of their holdings to BTC, all they do is give the economy value in the form of it's ability to exchange for fiat currencies - not for goods and services like everyone is hoping for. Show of hands everyone who gives a shit about fiat currencies in the long term? I didn't think so.

We've had a massive PR problem for ages now: we look like kooks. Most people don't make the connection that the value in most everything we consider valuable is actually perceived (read: imaginary) value - all they see is us trading "imaginary money" that we make out of thin air. To get over that perception issue the rest of our act has to be rational, to show people that hey... this just might work. This community appears anything but rational the vast majority of the time.

And that is where our views will differ, being there from the start of that thread, I assure you, it sadly plays a part.  It won't be shown in text, but in actions.  People mull over bullshit, but when a female is involved, that is the only time it would go on this long over...   

An inexperienced web developer attempting to get into an industry he is not familiar with, gets advice from someone in that industry, said advice is sound but does not apply to someone who has little to no business sense (Vegetta).  In this case that someone getting advice bites back every time harshly worded advice is given.  The thread would have started and stopped there if this was just a usual case.

I see this particular situation is being used as an example for other issues with the forums, that is fine, but so far it seems to only come back up when referencing how righter King is than that wronger Vegetta.

Because he is so wrong and so ignorant it is hilarious "I will be honest, I didn't understand half the stuff you said. Most of it was irrelevant,"

This!

And bitcoinporn's response where he shows he also didn't grasp the relevance of the advice on offer.

Once bitcoinporn discovered he was a she..   he seems to have fixated on 'female' & 'BDSM'.
I still doubt he's read the actual content.. because he continues to use the gender of the poster as some sort of excuse for why it's all overblown.

Its the CONTENT ******.

Sir (or ma'am! lol), you just proved my whole theory that it is because she is a female that it keeps coming back up again :)

Her advice still was not relevant to how he was starting his site up (I mean, from the initial concept as a thread on a forum, you should know that he is not going about this through conventional measures, and I am sure with Jesss' experience, she would recognize that, and she does, but she chooses to belittle when she attempt to educate).

Would this all be talked about if Jesse was a dude?   .. I assure you, not for this long in this many threads, no one gives a shit, and it's proven by half the posts discussion the topic at hand, are not even discussing the topic :)

Funny you should say that...  http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/imfa5/op_wants_to_open_a_porn_site_with_bitcoins_but/c252tpb?context=3

bitcoinporn:"I stick by my story sampson Simpson, all parties in that thread are in the wrong, it was making me laugh then and though I haven't read the thread the fact that it has become a post on reddit amuses me now."

Time to ignore him, however hard that may be.

Anonymity does not necessitate a lack of moderation. Those sections of 4chan that are actually moderated are excellent places for discussion. I found out about Bitcoin from a 4chan post.


She strongly advocates an uncensored board...
...and then she wants to get rid of the politics forum.

This kind of inflammatory language is very trollish:

Excessively criticizing the board as Jessy Kang does is a big red flag, as is constantly using your own offline "qualifications" to back up your arguments.

Like I said, though, while she sounds trollish, I don't believe she is a troll. None of her posts have ever been individually deleted.

I'm impressed that you see exactly what's going on, but then somehow believe that its simply a PR issue? As I really like what you have written I'd appreciate you letting me know if I'm missing something - I've spent the past month and half going from being really excited about Bitcoin as an elegant technical triumph (and something fun to follow) to realizing that participating in Bitcoin largely means having to mingle in mud with "Shut da gubment down!" armchair economists and other fringe types who've read enough to spit out libertarian platitudes, buzzwords like "fractional reserve banking" and "fiat" (in almost every damn sentence), but don't make much sense. Clearly this isn't everyone, and there are many folks on here far smarter than me, but - and this is what bothers me - there are an awful lot that don't seem to be. When I think of the face of Bitcoin I can't help but visualize an angry Uncle Jesse from the Dukes of Hazzard with an added slackjaw and lazy eye. And if, as someone who came here with earnest interest, I do, I am pretty darn sure that that the uninitiated will too.

"Trolls" usually don't offer pages of business advice.....

Trolls ignore me  ???

I can still enjoy your posts though, right?

I'll be back though, reddit made a post about a forum thread that made a post about a reddit that made a post about a forum thread. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ink3l/btc_forum_comments_on_a_reddit_thread_commenting/

I have to go make a thread about this.

Fair point.  However, the current state of this forum doesn't exactly inspire confidence that an anonymous section would be properly moderated.


You're right that it's not just that the "Bitcoin PR" folks aren't doing it right.  Our PR department, so to speak, has suffered a hostile takeover by those who have no clue how to do PR properly, if they even care.  It's not even a "too many anarchists" problem, it's a "too many tactless fools" problem.

I don't think this is an inevitable result of the nature of Bitcoin.  The core developers come across as fairly reasonable people, after all.  I see this forum as the focal point of the image issue.  Everyone looking for more information about bitcoin goes to bitcoin.org, which directs them here, where they see all the tactless fools who have set up camp.  The forum admins have made sure that this place is a welcoming environment for tactless fools, who need not fear having their nonsense censored.

I would make the arguement that only the best make it through.

Which makes me, you, julz, Jesse King, and really all the people in this thread, the best.

Excuse me for a minute.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/hjDHKYp8Kn0ve143j4py3yaYo1_400.gif

So has the "Meta" subforum of Bitcoin.org has officially become Bitcoin Discussion :(

This. I would say it was book quality advice. She could write a book about her industry and it would have a good chance to become a bestseller.

It is sad that the owner of this forum and the developer of blockexplorer.com calls her a troll.

I believe this is not true. Why did she put the following text in her signature?

Agreed unemployed.  It's giving me some concern over this forum.  Which I posted on in another topic:

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=28238.msg355663#msg355663

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I'm calling it a "PR problem" because despite the threads on the subject we still don't really have any sort of PR strategy. People are letting the things that individually attracted them to Bitcoin become representative of the entire idea despite the fact that many others (who simply aren't as loud in public) didn't get into it for the same reason, and that those reasons are unlikely to ever attract a large population at all.

It becomes an issue of slippery slopes because the more people soap-box about the evils of government and whatnot here, the less people like me want to talk about Bitcoin to others for fear of being lumped into the same category as these people whom I disagree with politically.

The political forum should, IMHO, absolutely be done away with - if you want to have an anarcho-capitalist or Randian circle-jerk there is absolutely no shortage of places on the internet you can do it. You may even be able to espouse the wonders of Bitcoin over there, if you can do it without being run out by the rabid precious-metals fetishists.

Turning away everyone who's not an extreme incarnation of libertarianism, turning away perfectly good business owners who are interested in the currency, turning away "crybabies" is not going to grow this thing outside the realm of a small, irrelevant niche. If that's all the majority here wants, that's fine - but understand that there's probably still vast amounts of investment in this market from people who are waiting for it to blow up, so if you want to cut that possibility off, those people are probably going to want what's left of their investment back.

If you want any decent level of worldwide adoption from Bitcoin, people are going to have to realize that politics are irrelevant unless it relates directly to Bitcoin - not everyone is going to agree with your minority political opinion, nor do they have to for the idea to work.

I agree. It used to be my policy to loudly and vocally challenge Anarcho-Cap/Libertarianism on the forum whenever possible so that new-comers and perusers would know that not all bitcoiners were... y'know, fraggles.

However the campaign soon proved exhausting and impractical. And anyway I always felt a little dirty afterward and not in a good way, more like I'd just wasted two hours of my life arguing with the smelly guy on the street corner who's always shouting at the space beside the street-light.

Now I just don't talk about bitcoin anymore to people I know.

I need to spend some time to read through carefully.

someone on here mentioned they wanted to get a bitcoin webcam site going, but neither of us concentrated on it.

Those posts were not deleted, though they were merged in a confusing way. (This merge was not something I advocated or was happy about. Atlas is no longer a moderator.)

Very true, but the conclusion I came to from seeing this is that the community that has grown around Bitcoin is a testament to the fact that Bitcoin really isn't something that will be adopted by the masses.  It's not that the Bitcoin community looks like a bunch of kooks, its that most of them are. For their part, the developers - being able to see what even I can having been here for only a month - *are* to blame for failing to provide anything in the way of safety and polish in their more recent client updates that would offset the smell given off by this forum. I can understand some tech guys failing to take into account the polish and simplicity needed for the average person when first starting this project, but not now. As I've said in several earlier posts, the key to Bitcoin is safety and simplicity, and Bitcoin is neither. And, with the most enthusiastic of the community out to chant Randian slogans while peddling ponzi schemes like "Bitcoin Doubler" and chastising anyone who posts about stolen coins or the like, how could it ever come to be as such? To this day, the emphasis on trying to create a consumer goods economy is absolutely dwarfed by interest in creating speculation games. Just look at the folks begging for free coins that were brazenly stolen (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=25962.0). People want this to be like the "Wild West" and literally get off on it. How in the hell will anyone legitimate ever touch this with a ten-foot pole?


Exactly. It's quite validating to read this, but to see posts like yours so rare in comparison to the rest of the bruisers here, leads me back up to the conclusion mentioned above.

I don't think the kooks are a majority, they're just very vocal.  The trolls are as big of a problem as the kooks are.  Normal people are definitely interested in Bitcoin, we just have to shut the kooks and trolls up so that the normal folks will tend to stick around.

Once Sirius stops dragging his feet, this forum is supposed to be removed from the bitcoin.org domain, moved it to bitcointalk.org, and the "forum" link will presumably be removed.  He has the new domain now, he just hasn't actually done the move yet.

There's also an effort to get a Bitcoin Q&A site on Stack Exchange (http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/30763/bitcoin-crypto-currency?referrer=qst3DhfKtxHspDOgXlkhmg2).  This will help a lot, as we'll finally have a user support site with decent moderation.  You guys should join and help get it off the ground.

I am really surprised that the Stack Exchange site still has yet to find enough people, are the programmers here on the forums spreading that link to the appropriate places?  /r/Bitcoin/ just had someone today message me that he was trying to join the forums to check on two projects (one has to do with Fantasy Football, just makes sense), I have yet to see the mention of the Stack Exchange other than your signature and you posting about it.   That format seems really good, people who are already committed should promo it a bit more.

Also, everyone should pray that the official Bitcoin.org forums never go away.   Dear lord if there wasn't an "Official" place that both kooks (political and otherwise) and programmers can meet to discuss the random daily Bitcoin bullshit, I fear for places like Stack Exchange.   Or basically whoever would be next under the .org for a search on the word "Bitcoin"

Wow vegetta is a tool

I see far more people calling everyone who doesn't agree 100% with either their politics or their rose-colored view of Bitcoin trolls than actual trolling.  And even for actual trolling, if people responded with intelligent, logical arguments instead of kooky crazy-talk, it would be a very effective way to persuade casual lurkers than trying to ban all comments that aren't reflexive agreement with the majority view.

At the rate it's been going, it should open by the end of August.  It would be nice to have it happen before that.  We're currently ahead on new users (119/200), what we need are more people who have an established reputation on other Stack Exchange sites (48/100).


Doubt it.  The SE site is strictly for technical and conceptual stuff, not for political/philosophical stuff.  Nothing interesting for the kooks, and with no kooks there's no lulz for the trolls.  Not to mention that there's a moderation system in place that actually works, unlike with this place.

And thus the necessary evil that is Bitcoin.org.   People need one spot to be that dumping ground for every aspect of Bitcoin, the fact that it isn't 'just tech' is what keeps it going.

The experts in any Bitcoin field have an account here but no doubt do their main business in other Bitcoin communities.   I know this isn't the only Bitcoin related haunt, I'm all over the place.  Speaking of that.    http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ipl7l/help_get_stackexchange_for_bitcoin_up_all_tech_no/

I want to help keep the people who can further the actual program not so stressed by 'forum bullshit' that so many seem to feed on here while at the same time creating more (I am not reference you or actually any one person, it happens to all, except me ;) ).

Sure, but I think it's bad to have our anything-goes dumping ground right out in front, as the public face of the project.  I'm sure bitcointalk.org will be the the first Google result for "bitcoin forum", but I hope it doesn't even make the first page for "bitcoin".  It should be kind of like IRC: it's a wild place, but you only end up there if you go looking for it, and in that case you know what to expect.


Thanks.  Upvoted.

I agree with this. Jessey has provided nothing but legitimate points, her "close down the politics forum" thread is one of the most reasonable things on the site and is well argued and reasoned. I also find the level of mysogony on these forums simply appalling, and I should note that several major forms consistently call out the anti-woman aspect many of the posters here have.


See, like this, this is the exact misogynistic language people make fun of this forum for. There are ways to phrase this that don't sound horrible, but frankly this isn't it.

Yes, because we all know that is what this forum is known for lol

Uhhh... I'm not even sure if you're either trying to defend yourself by hand-waving or you're genuinely unaware of the perception other large communities have of these forums. This forum does have a reputation of being incredibly sexist and hostile to women.

I believe every word this person said because it is exactly what I wanted to hear.

Liar, mental, troll, or completely right, it doesn't matter, you need to grow up lol.  Mature a little, move on :)

The only time it matters if anyone is a woman or man or other, at least in the world of Bitcoin and these forums, is just about never, unless someone identifies themselves as such, then they want it to matter.  I assume people are just a user name until they give up a sex and I could give a shit less before or after unless of course it is brought up by others.

http://www.collectorscache.com/StoreModules/ProductImages/499/white_shield_crusader.jpg

whats awesome is that vegt's business will fail, taking a bunch of the idiots down with him.

natural selection baby.

just give it time and most of the idiots will destroy themselves.

I have an idea that could solve some of the problems of porn cam sites.

just need a coder.

Its more for services in general, but I can see a porn section.

I was thinking of it before I knew about bitcoin.  and Bitcoin makes it that much better.

Expense of operating is low, once written.  Income Could be huge.  and Could increase bitcoin user base, and rewards people for useing bitcoin.
 
I'm not good at coding so Its moving along very slowly.