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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/255-thursday-july-25-2013-shipping-update.html



Three weeks later, guess what? Can you spell Monarch?

It's almost like they announced a new product line or something. Wild!

I'm considering you for ignore list. What you say is true, but we already know BFL is scum. You making another thread about it every 36 hours doesn't help anything.

And do you really not have anything better to do?

It's been too hot to steal barn wood--according to Josh's claims--at night, thus this. Did you know that there are some people on this forum that only recently learnt about Sonny Vleisides? Amazing, ain't it?

Feel free to ignore me. FYI, I have nobody on my ignore list, nor never will, but...and it's a big but...if I were to consider anybody to be put on such a list, I wouldn't threaten them first--I would just do it.

BTW, my ignore turned orange during the Bitcoinica episodes of which I was out $20K indirectly, and a guy here in Sandwich, IL, is out $10K directly, thanks to me introducing him to Bitcoin. Currently, I'm out over $100K with InstaWallet. There is tens of millions at stake with BFL. (There are people here in Sandwich that honestly believe that I'm one of the main guys behind Bitcoin, of which I find odd given that I honestly didn't even know what screen Josh was in reference to in his infamous November, 2012, post until last night.)

At one time, being ignored bothered me. But not anymore.

Reading a small handful of your posts, I see that you're a good guy, thus now apologizing if my actions bother you. Unfortunately, there's a helluva lot at stake here.

Later, bud. (signed with such when I don't have the red-ass toward whom I'm addressing)

Bruno Kucinskas

I'm not going to threaten ignores or insult, but three weeks ago, Jody was referring to their product line as it stood then. They then announced a new product, of which, yes, they are taking pre-orders. Just like nearly every other ASIC producer out there. That's not a lie, and not at all shocking, despite the headline you chose to give it.

More appropriate headline would have been far less sensationalistic "BFL accepting pre-orders on newly designed product". But then, there are already several threads about the Monarch.

I have no idea of what you're in reference to, for it seems to me to be a standalone statement.

Here's the complete text: (formated poorly)

Yes, at that point in time, she was clearly referring to Jalapeno's, LIttle Singles, Singles and Mini-Rigs. Monarch was not announced yet.

Preorder means ordering something that does not yet exist. The first four do exist. They're shipping (not as fast as people would like, but it can't be denied that they're shipping), hence people sending money for those are making orders.

Two or three weeks later, they announced the Monarch. A product which is not shipping yet, but for which you can send money to get in line for when they do ship (pre-orders).

Seems clear. She was just referring to the status of BFL at that point in time, and that point in time only.

Speaking of BitSafe, take a look at this shit!


Josh was seriously considering this product to BFL's already cramp production line. Can you imagine how far behind they would be if they fid get such a contract? Or did they?

I imagine for Monarch's they'll drop the idea of doing in-house assembly. Instead, they'll get fully assembled products shipped in from China and avoid the production woes that they've been facing...

Of course, I'm of the camp that BFL is simply a victim of it's own success. They announced ASICs, sold faaaaar more than they ever imagined, then took quite a bit longer to get the chip up to par than they had planned, and have since (obviously) been struggling to catch up with a massive glut of orders.

Similarly for Bitsafe -  they do have manufacturing relationships. They could easily contract out production and ship finished product without impacting their miner production at all - production (the people assembling units, soldering chips, etc) is separate from shipping after all.

I agree with everything you're saying, but I'm politely pointing out the volume of your threads could be considered spam. For every 1 of me who bothers to post that, there are probably 10 others eyeing the button.

tldr: is there a more constructive way to 'update' us of findings, or even should these be going direct to scam accusations?

Lucas, your argument is sound and well-crafted.

In reference to your last sentence, for the past ~10 months, I've been asking Josh about the FCC cert. process. All the questions I've ever asked were relatively clear, but the one time I reword the question incorrectly, Josh addresses the screen aspect with a link to a Nexus 7 approval PDF on the FCC site. He knew full well what I, among others asking, was in reference to, yet opted to take advantage of the situation.

I, and over a dozen of us (secretly), are now on a mission to bring these motherfuckers down. ANYBODY, still having an order late in the queue position best do your best to get your money out ASAP.

I promise, folks, it's about to get ugly. And there's only one way to stop me. I live at...

Bruno Kucinskas
406 W. Center St.
Sandwich, IL  60548

815-508-1668

GAME ON!

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/310-monday-august-26-2013-shipping-upgrade.html

They're at July 15 now. I'm finally getting my SC's. Not defending them in any way, just fucking finally.

We at Camp Lugan look forward to you joining us once you have your precious in hand.

Yes indeed. To everyone else with backlocked Single and MR orders, godspeed. I hope BFL really picks up the slack.

They have, until they hit the March/April, 2013, pre-order wall, then we're back to the same...

https://i.imgur.com/j58c4HV.gif

BUT WORSE!

There is raging in the BFL forums:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/4554-bull-sh.html

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/4507-wow-depressing.html

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/4470-recommendation-not-buy-no-roi-according-calculators-no-profit-can-made-5.html

That would explain why Josh is over here. He opted for the monumental assholes oppose to the colossal idiots who were kind enough to order what they thought were the first batch of Monarchs.

They meant that they are no longer taking preorders for their 65nm design. It'd be like Rockstar releasing GTA5 on September (17th? 27th?) and saying they are no longer taking preorders, and then everyone screaming bloody murder when they take preorders later for GTA6.

I never miss a chance to say this: I think it's counter productive, as you have to look at the red hot Ignored posters and say "are they really worthy of ignoring? Are they getting trolled with lots of undeserved ignores?". It doesn't help when some people with long time pulsating Ignore buttons spend a lot of effort to become trusted again, only to spend their trust on playing trollish games again.

Simple troll repellent mechanism: ignore posts, not posters. Pressing ignore just encourages more gamesmanship.

To me this says you are the asshole.  Why go after a company before they can provide products to the other customers that ordered?  If your crusade manages to damage their operation before I and the folks who ordered around me are able to receive our hardware, that makes you the POS who kept whining until the company had to respond.

Go grab a posterboard and picket their operation if it is so important to you.

You sound worried. Simply ignore the truth of the matter and put it out of mind like your own BFL orders.

Besides, you make it sound like BFL main threat is from PG. Have you noticed the multitude of people talking to lawyers about BFL not delivering in a timely and reasonable manner? You should worry about them instead. Those are most likely to impact their operations.

I don't think it is very fair of you to ask that others put their money into a Ponzi scheme so that you can get your money out.

Yep, nothing in this pic (taken from their website) could possibly indicate that their new product line (revealed after Jody said that comment about their current line) is a pre-order.  ::) ::) ::) ::)

http://s23.postimg.org/gt6h1enez/Capture3.jpg

Theres no copper on them' PCI-e lanes! It's CGI!?

I referring to the giant orange "PRE-ORDER" button.

Very profound statement sir.  I applaud you.

While I am probably ignored by quite a few, I personally think it is funny.  Now, please understand I do not mean funny from a trolls prespective, but rather that if they have been turned off by what I have said in the past and have ignored me, then they will miss the gems as well as any posts I make that are of real substance unless someone they haven't ignored quotes it.  I know there are certain people that when I got their hate posts, I responded with whatever whimsy crossed my mind, and having set that stardard, every subsequent post to them carries that same whimsy.  Without taking the time to fully read ALL of my posts, you actually miss out on a lot.  I often make fun of myself more than I do others, but I've only run across 2 or 3 people who have picked up on it.

I am happy, healthy and secure in my life.  For me, that is all that matters.

http://products.butterflylabs.com


https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/310-monday-august-26-2013-shipping-upgrade.html


Products actually shipped far out of order. The order queue is a lie.

They shipped Jala's for almost 2 months before shipping other stuff.  You feel they should have just sat on the Jala product they could ship?

That's what they promised, so yes, they should have sat on them. Don't promise what you won't deliver. In fact, they're still promising it, and they're still not doing it. LIES.

Each product is its' own product.

You order a Jalapeno, you're in the jalapeno queue... Order a single, and you're in the single queue... If they run out of cases and power supplies for one product line, it shouldnt' hold up the other lines.

Of course jalapenos' are going to go faster... they only need one chip to be soldered in place, one heatsink, etc. Compare that with effort to get a minirig out the door, of course the jalapeno line will move faster. And it'd be terrible for production if each station had to be reconfgured based on what product came up in the queue as each worker completed their task.

It is hindsight, so it wasn't obvious. But seeing how things played out, it's understandable. Disappointing for many, I'm sure, but at least its understandable.

Remind me NEVER to do business with you.  Screw ALL the customers to satisfy a few.

FALSE. "the order queue". There is one queue. All orders go into it. This is also proved by BFL claiming that upgrading an order, such as a Jalapeno to a Little Single, would not change the position of the order in the queue. They are lying about the order queue to this day.


What hindsight? Those quotes are from BFL's website today.

"We'll be shipping in October, 2012"
"We'll be shipping in November, 2012"
"We'll be shipping in December, 2012"
"We'll be shipping in January, 2013"
"We'll be shipping in February, 2013"
"We'll be shipping in March, 2013"

...

@ Xian

Lets try to piece together the timeline of delays for BFL to date.

Let us go back to September 2012....

I recall I had a list written down once, but a Mod deleted it.

https://i.imgur.com/2wysl.jpg

Blast from the past.


If only I knew then, what I know now. 75 days was a cakewalk.

There are 90%~ of BFL customers who are still waiting even now....today is August 27th 2013. Holy shit!

BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!*

Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap!

Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question!

[to Phinnaeus Gage]

Josh Zerlan: You want answers?

Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to.

Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?*

Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!*

Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin]

Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by men with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order, and you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing what I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, directs that money to Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I...

Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T'

...

Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny.

Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served!

Edited for accuracy.

I accept the revision.

---

BFL Fanbois: *Consider yourself in Contempt!*

Camp Lugan: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

BFL Fanfois: BFL's miner don't need to be FCC certified! Don't answer the question, Josh. It's a trap!

Josh Zerlan: I'll answer the question!

[to Phinnaeus Gage]

Josh Zerlan: You want answers?

Phinnaeus Gage: I think us monumental assholes are entitled to.

Josh Zerlan: *You want answers?*

Phinnaeus Gage: *We want the truth!*

Josh Zerlan: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses, to wipe the jeez from his chin]

Josh Zerlan: Sonny lived in a room that had walls, and one of those walls had bars guarded by men with guns. Who else has been there? You? You, PL? You, K9? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for those who've ordered or yet to order, then you curse BF Labs Inc. You have that luxury here on BitcoinTalk. You have the luxury of not blowing who I blow. Those that ordered, while tragic, probably would have wasted their disposable income on some useless product or service. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, directs that money to Butterfly Labs. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in your panties, you want me to con moneys from them fools, you need me to con moneys from them fools. We use words like "in two weeks", "making hardware is hard", "we never lie". We use these words as the backbone of BF Labs Inc. You use them as a punchline. We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to monumental assholes who rises and sleeps under the blanket of BFL trying to protect the Bitcoin network, and then questions the manner in which we try to do such. We would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a phone and call the FCC, the FTC, the FBI, the IRS, the CIA... Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Phinnaeus Gage: Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit their product line to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: I said what I was paid for to say, I...

Phinnaeus Gage: *Josh Zerlan, did BFL submit the screen to the FCC?*

Josh Zerlan: *You're Goddamn right they did!* *Provides link.* https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=132722&fcc_id='MSQME370T'

...

Josh Zerlan: [contemptuously] You monumental assholes... you have no idea how to build ASIC-based Bitcoin miners. All you did was weaken a company today, Phinn. That's all you did. You put our profits in danger. Sweet dreams, sonny.

Phinnaeus Gage: Don't call me Sonny. I'm a hero member of BitcoinTalk with the highest post count, and you're a son of a bitch with jeez on your chin. You've been served!

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Any more revision suggestions?

Bruno, I don't know what sort of mental disorder you suffer from and frankly I don't really care. 

I'll tell you what, why don't you come to BFL and take a tour of the place, meet the people that work here and bear personal witness to the whole business?  You seem to be under some strange manic obsession that is unexplainable, so perhaps actually seeing the thing you are obsessed with will return your chemical balance to it's more  ... rational ... state?

I'm serious, I will cover your hotel bill and travel expenses, all you have to do is show up to the offices.  Feel free to bring a friend and/or a camera if it will make you feel better and you want to.  The only thing I ask is you try not to talk about cocks and "jezz" the entire time.

I suspect you'll elect not to take me up on this offer, because I believe you are purely an attention seeking sensationalist that has no real interest in the welfare of the community or the truth.  It's all about what kind of attention you can garner for yourself, isn't it?

I accept!

Also, I WILL NOT pen another ill word about BFL until after such a meeting takes place and ONLY if such actions is warranted. Regardless, I'm pretty sure my overall negative comments will be scaled back considerably.

Also, please PM me a Bitcoin address so that I can now send you that $200. I'll assume you're only honestly seeking a single payment, with the other $200 you mentioned the other night being just banter.

Once received, just state on this forum somewhere that you did receive it. It doesn't have to go toward a charity as I've mentioned the other night. Use it for dinner. It truly doesn't matter.

I will also now refrain from using vile language in posts, e.g. jeez, cocksucker, MF, etc.

Honestly, Josh, this shit needs to stop, most of which has been on my part and not yours.

Whether you're aware of it or not, each and every Bitcoiner I've personally spoke with on the phone, I have spoken highly of you, with the only negative aspect pertaining to falsehoods either coming from you or Camp BFL.

I look forward to that address via a PM, bud.

Bruno Kucinskas

Excellent, I look forward to your visit.  Please email me (or PM if you prefer) and we will sort out the details of when.  If you want to send the $200, send it to the BitcoinDF donation address.

Nice move Josh. Hopefully this indicates a positive change in attitude for both you and Phin.

Josh cleverly played the Olive Branch Card before I had a chance to. Well-played!

Going to send that $200 USD now to where Josh desires it wants sent to.

Sent! I used Mt Gox rate of which equated to 1.55 BTC but sent 1.57 BTC to be fair.

 * speechless *

You have to admit, Xian, this shit is getting way outta hand. But don't worry, I'm already scheming on how to con BFL outta one of their logo coffee cups.  ;D

I'm going to lock this thread, for it no longer serves a purpose and has been proven that its existence is base on misinformation on my part.

Josh, would you be so kind as to let me know what other threads of mine you like me to lock? Instead of the blanket response--ALL--please provide links. Chances are good I'll comply.