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How to live comfortable in an over populated environment?

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Impossible. Where there are too many people, there is violence and unnatural behavior. Humankind in a confined place seems to behave similarly to animals in confinement: the social engagement suffers and the natural behavior disappears.
Konrad Lorenz was an excellent writer, he also won a Nobel prize for his research related to animals/humans behavior and the analysis of society. I strongly recommend for you to read one of his master's book: Civilized man's eight deadly sins (you can download it from here:http://www.freepdf.info/index.php?post/Lorenz-Konrad-Civilized-man-s-eight-deadly-sins).

This is a brilliant exposition directly related to your question, for, in there, Lorenz explains how overpopulation is finishing the "natural" behavior of the humankind and how dangerous it is. He also compares human with wolfs in captivity and the changes in their natural social system.

Health statistics on insurance coverage, disability, fertility and other health issues are increasingly important in measuring the nation's overall well-being.

where you from india? bangladesh?

if you have good skill the overpopulation and misery of others can fuel your wealth

Then I guess Thanos was right then and spoilers are ahead when he slaughtered half of the entire galaxy just because of overpopulation and the scarcity of resources in the entire galaxy.

I think houses will become small in coming years, and everywhere we will live like japanseee.. In small houses.."utilization of space"

There are so few people living on the Indian Ocean, that there is room out there for virtually all of the people of China.

 ;D

You need to compete in your everyday life in order to live on that kind of environment, but that’s not comfortable,
I’d rather stay on an island or a small city than a overpopulated place to be as comfortable as i wanted to.
Even if your stinkin rich that wouldn’t be as comfortable as you expect.

Population is no.1.problem in China and India .Servay 2011 121 crode people live in India but India is big country so not problem  but some country area is very small so so big problem for this country 

Ironically build spaceship and travel to planet Mars and put new buildings and make your living without over population.

The earth now is full of dirt not just population. So what is better is accept the fact that everything change including your comfort zone. As a matter of fact we live once so let us face the reality that earth is over crowded.

Ironically when you built spaceship and go to Mars, one day Mars will be filled up too.  :) :)
We just pray that despite our overpopulation that deadly diseases don't breakout.   

Chins has resolved the problem through the one-child policy. They are rapidly approaching the zero-growth scenario. But the situation in India is different. In the BIMARU states, where about 50% of the Indian population reside, then women are having on average 4 children each.

I think go on the quite place though , positively it will make you to live comfortable , not in some stressing places , over populated is one of the problem of some countries though , that's why they somehow implementing some policy like the RH bill on the ph and 2 child's policy on china. And now philippines are now trying to implement the 3 child's policy but still the conclude is not yet done.

It will get to a time when India is going to surpass China when it comes to the highest population in the world. But population is not going to be a problem if there is enough resources to feed all the people in the world.

they will either resolve into a crazy form of communism or they will continously suffer

I think there will be a shakeup, another black plague for our age from which will emerge a glorious renaissance.   
I just hope that I will be around long enough to see both.   

I think we should respect each other between neighbors and do not make a commotion in the neighborhood because it will make you isolated in the environment around you. Give positive benefits in your environment for you to be respected

population problem  is a greatest problem now a day.
Imagine a world where there isn't enough clean water to drink and there isn't ample food to eat. We have used up most of the resources that we require to survive. What little that is left is so polluted that it is not fit to be used. Is this our future? What are we doing to keep this from happening? We recycle, we ride our bikes, we compost, but is this enough? It is up to us to find a cure to the ailment that is destroying our planet. We only have one Earth to sustain the entire human race for the rest of its existence. Will we be find a way to continue our survival, or will we be the cause of our own destruction? Only time will tell, but this time may be upon us sooner than we imagine if we do not start looking very carefully at the way that we live our lives.

For me it is not possible to live comfortably in a well populated country...  Even you are the most riches country in the world you cant escape from this problem...  Even you have a lots of money you cant buy a foods why because probably shortage for everything will happen...  You ca escape from this if you live outside a country... The mentality of people is we will seek for our survival...  That's why a lots of reported crime happened to those coubtry who has this problem...  Because the government itself cannot handle this situation...  Because also of this problem why a lots of problem like it arose...  So that's why we cant live comfortably in that country....

choose first, you must have a large budget, especially the area of ​​targeted housing located in downtown. Another option, you should be satisfied if the location of your house is on the outskirts of the city which means away from the work location.

The question is too broad. If you ask me, I am comfortable with my life even if I live in a country where over population is an issue. I'm from the Philippines and lived in a part where over population is a common thing. Compared to provinces, there are a lot of people in Manila.  People from the different provinces go here to look for a job that is why the population boomed since the 90's. I think the government should create jobs in provinces and make sure that the employees will receive a decent pay so that they don't have to go to Manila just to work.

High population is the problem of some countries. People refuse to use contraceptives because they think it is morally not good.As a result they give birth to plenty children they cannot even cater for.This is bad and we must educate people about contraceptives and family planning. This will encourage a small family size so that they can enjoy better living.

I'm going to fix the population problem. I have been working on an aerosol virus which i will release into an airport. This Virus will cause a Rabid reaction to humans and the will become Violent without thought.

You Are Doomed.

The population is becoming a big problem. It is dangerous for our world because the recurses of our planet are slowly coming to an end. I've heard there was a theory that there shouldn't live more than a billion people on our planet for everything to be okay. Maybe that is why some people want war.

This a hard nut to crack, it seems practical inconvenient to dwell in a populated environment, I think you can only manage it but not completely become comfortable. Make sure that, you fence your immediate surrounding to keep people away from getting very close is one of the ways out.

Everything that is too much isn't good. If an overpopulated place will exist, anyone can't live in there for a long time. First is that a lot of disease will arise as this situation is more prone with it. Next is that it might caused unordered system because violence might be just tolerated in the place. It is somehow impossible to have that situation but if it happens as in our era, everything is now possible, I might can't stay there for long time. I would just rather go to other place for the sake of safeness of my family and I.

I think overpopulation is a major dilemna or the world today. We ate keep on reproducing and multiplying not think of the consequences, responsibilities, and possible effects of these to the society. We are complaining that we are somehow overpopulated. On the other hand, we also want a comfortable life. Thus, raising a question of how we are going to make purselves comfortable in this overpopulated world. I think that we should start from our own family, imposing the importance of reproductive and health planning. We should also understand that this is not the sole issue as the real issue here is how we are going to deal with that large amount of numbers like creating and finding jobs, food and budget distribution, and the like. Lastly, we should focus on the common good which is making the life of every one not only one, comfortable despite overpopulation issues.

how to live comfortably in a densely populated environment that is by mutual respect, positive thinking and always communicate with the citizens, because by communicating then every problem will be solved and we are more familiar with the citizens, with good relationships the day we will be more comfortable and feel peace in that environment, here's my opinion on this

True lack of work in provinces makes manila crowded.many people from different  provinces seeking job in manila.even they already live in squaters area.if only there a job in each provinces rhey will not go to mnila to find good job and if the salary in province also is not provincial rate and will same as manila they will stay in own provinces and work there.

Every human being needs space to survive, we need work, land to grow food for life and humans need water to survive. If the population increases, of course this will be a problem to meet the needs of our lives and certainly the scope of life will be solid. The earth is very large, but if the population increases, the earth will be dense and the source of life's food will be very limited perhaps today the way to overcome it is to limit the population of life such as reducing the consumption of meat and not throwing food, and the plan to limit pregnancy high enough. We must keep the balance of population growth and development. How to maintain a natural system that actually protects our lives.

Maybe some clarification from OP would be nice.

Are you asking about how to live in a big city (urban, metropolitan)?

Or are you asking about simply co-existing with a lot of people in general, regardless of setting (urban, suburban, etc.)?

Or is your implication more on what to do about over-population?

It's always good when the villain has a motivation beyond just being 'mad'.

Overpopulation is an undesirable condition where the number of existing human population exceeds the carrying capacity of Earth. Overpopulation is caused by number of factors. Reduced mortality rate, better medical facilities, depletion of precious resources are few of the causes which results in overpopulation. It is possible for a sparsely populated area to become densely populated if it is not able to sustain life.This is big problems of the government, it's hard to live in over populated environment.

comfortable ? by doing good and creating harmony between neighbors so that it will reduce evil and it will create comfort in a crowded society

You can never live comfortably in an over-populated environment. There will always be constant fights and competition for the resources. Either you adopt population control policies, or you need to transfer a part of the population to less densely populated areas.

You have to pay more for the work of the hard work, and then learn to invest with your money so that you can have the money to buy a bigger house so that you can have the money to buy insurance and other emergency costs for you and your family.

A fair fraction of the 'overpopulation problem' is a psyop funded by the so-called 'elite.'  They want either to have their livestock live in factory farm conditions where the cost per head of keeping them alive is minimized, or just flush them.  As technology moves forward humans are not even very useful as wealth generation tools...and humans make kind of shitty and dangerous pets a lot of times.

While I don't doubt that some countries have population problems, a lot of them do not.  My country, the U.S., does not.  Anyone to travels outside of an urban area without blinders on can see a great deal of under-utilization.  Also, like a lot of countries, we're not at a high growth rate, and many are negative.  The elite are in a panic about this because their problem is going away.  To try to keep it relevant they are importing people as fast as possible with 'open borders' and such.

There is also a religious component to some of the population related programs.  (((Some people))) believe in a prophecy whereby all the races mix and our ruled over by the ethnically pure chosen ones.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjzlKCmi8VY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjzlKCmi8VY)

And some of these people are not sitting around waiting for this prophecy to come about by the hand of God or whatever:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg)

The best way to live in an over populated environment is to get along with everyone. You need as many friends as you can get and by the time that you are in need, you will have someone to lean on. Over population can cause hunger to citizens just like what happen to China thousand of years ago. It will help if you will have a rank in the government so that you will be prioritize in times of calamity. Thatis the harsh truth guys. Equality only exist in our dreams.

I come from Indonesia, I live in a densely populated environment, the thing that should be done densely populated residence is mutual cooperation in building a relationship in the environment.
if a harmonious relationship is established even if it is crowded and feels tight it will become more beautiful.

This 'definition' is artificial and promoted for propaganda reasons by 'globalists' because they want a problem.  They want a problem because they have a solution.  Namely, put them in charge of the globe.  If/when that happens, all of our problems are supposed to magically disappear somehow.

Global warming climate change is one of the problems that totalitarian control by global elites is supposed to be able to solve.  And it probably would.  Once 'they' have control, the phony problem has no more usefulness so it will be magically solved.  Of course it is necessary for the elite to employ weather modification technologies forevermore...to keep us all safe, secure, and living in peace.  And if regions who play ball and compliantly ante-up their tributes get rain while regions which don't get a drought, that's what it takes to 'save the planet from climate catastrophe and keep us all safe' I guess.

"They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace."  Jeremiah 6:14 [King James]

It is not big problem to have an overpopulated place. Just like in other countries, They have a lot of people in their country but they are living comfortably because they are economically good. The problem arise in overpopulated places are illiteracy, jobless. Sometimes being jobless makes you do bad things. You can always live a comfortable life not worrying about the population and just work or do whatevere you want.

I would say it depends on what you term "living comfortable". To some people it's when their business is thriving that they feel they are comfortable, for others it may be otherwise. In terms of business, over population can be an advantage because your customer base can increase, but in other sense it can be bad because if communicable  diseases spring up, it could spell really bad for the people living there. Just be health consious and respect everyone around you. That's a way of living comfortably.

I think,  if we want to feel comfortable in social life, there must be adjustment to the environment. it is not easy, but we must keep trying to make us feel comfortable and considered in the region. because we are social beings who will need society to help us.

In my opinion, don't take population easily. If you're living in a over populated country, then you should personally take some planning about yourself. As population growing rapidly, you must take care that whether you also making population high or not.

Comfortable? It is not applicable to an overloaded areas by the way i think. Whenever the place is over populated, there is also poise pollution, air pollution and a lot more of problem to battle with. It is better to live in villages where everything is fresh and peaceful and clean.

You can live comfortable in populated areas if you dont have enemies in your place, even if its over populated you can live quiet and peaceful if you dont have enemies, make friends and dont mind other people, just make your own business and make your self busy with other things. Being comfortable is not just you are in a quiet place but you are in a quiet family and happy family :)

Those who can afford many children must be allowed to have a large number of children. On the other hand, the slum dwellers and the welfare rates must be told that they can't have more than one child per couple. Those who disregard this directive must be made ineligible for receiving welfare payments.

Living in a densely populated environment is very uncomfortable, because there are so many environmental problems and it is easy for crime. I think if we live in a dense environment, we must always keep the environment, trying to grow many plants, reduce the use of vehicles and live a good social with neighbors.

Living in a populated area is very uncomfortable. When you go to the mall during sundays and have a mass there, almost the mall is filled up with people. When you go to groceries, people are everywhere. The lines are overwhelming than it will take you almost an hour to pay everything you got. Also in restaurants, you need to patienly wait for the people eating for you to sit. Then the major problem is the traffic. Overpopulated means more cars.

Leave that environment and go somewhere where there's plenty of space and freedom. The world is huge and there will always be places with a very limited population. It's funny how so many people fight for a piece of land in Japan or China, while there's so much room for all of them to fit in other countries. We should stop being attached to the places where we were born and limited by borders. Life is too short for that.

The population is becoming a big problem. It is dangerous for our world because the recurses of our planet are slowly coming to an end.

There are still a lot of resources and it is still not close on showing its end, its just that we need to be careful because in the future, the population is said to have a multiple times of the current population these days and that means we will be needing a lot of resources in the future or we will be experiencing a great drought, hunger and pollution.

I guess you will really need to compromise a significant amount of your sense of comfort in order to do that. Otherwise, you cannot be comfortable with such an environment. Well, they say that when you are staying in such an environment for a long time you will gradually get used to it and learn to be comfortable with it. This world is going to that point. There is no other way for this world but become overpopulated.

The bar graph shows the growth of the world population from 1750 to 2000.In the year 1750 the world population was 800 million.By the year 1800 the population rose to 1000 million.so it is in the 50 years between the years 1750 and 1800 population rised by 200 million.ti is relly astonishing now the world is waiting to see what rise in population would bring about in the next 50 years.

This is the exact opposite of what the people who currently run the shows wish.  Agenda-21 is all about consolidating people to specific population centers.  AKA 'human habitats.'  You can see such pressures all around in my country (the USA.)

The idea is to have most people living in 'stack-n-pack' housing with no options for transportation besides public transit and perhaps bicycles.  All of the typical person's earnings are consumed in 'rent' (for housing, transportation, Starbucks, iPhones, etc.)  They could not really develop a savings of wealth in terms of physical goods anyway because they have no space.

The countryside is preserved for the elite to live and for corporate entities to monetize the resources without various kinds of push-back and hassles.  This program is marketed as being a way to 'save the earth', but the more I look at it, the more I can see through the charade.

One driving force of the people who are pushing Agenda-21 which I first heard when I started studying it was that the consolidation of people was for the purposes of more easily monitoring them for control purposes.  My first thought was that this was ridiculous.  Now, years later, I'm of the opinion that yes, this probably is one of the main driving forces.

More than a population of the society and the land of a lot of occurs in. As walk, freedom, etc. in problems do. However, the population or animals with a little has been compared. For example, the population is a lot of problems give the words of the problem. Same way animals with too many if a lot of the words of the problem. The population of less than the good country and for the nation.

Every 1.2 sec. a baby is born in India. Every hour 2971 persons are born in India. Everyday, 71304 persons are born in India. Avg. Birth per year 8092608 in India. Population till Dec-2012 1271663436. Avg. death per 11678 in India.  Avg. death per year 2886634 in India. Population growth per year 5159665 in India. Avg. Population growth per day 20874 in India. Population Growth Leads to Air Pollution. Population Growth Leads to Water Pollution. Population Growth Leads to Unemployment. Population Growth Leads to Food Resources. Population Growth Leads to Living Space.

There is no end in sight. Very soon, the population will be over 10 billion. And within another 100 years, it may touch 15 billion. And the worst part is that, the majority of this population is going to be residing in regions such as South Asia and Africa.

https://cdn.britannica.com/700x450/81/152181-004-6F2225E3.jpg

the average age of the population gets older and there is no one young enough to be working and paying taxes etc which means the retired people cant get their benefits and youre back to starving people even though you have a smaller population and the world cant sustain so many people and eventually food and water wont be enough for all mankind.

Over population is a threat to our society, human beings has different behaviours and where they is over population a lot of indifferent behaviours will be seen which is not for the growth of the society, over population promotes all form of illegal act and behaviours such as arm robbery, kidnapping, killing and many more, an over populated community live without peace of mind because different type of inhuman act will be taking place everyday and people will no longer work hard.

Corbett just did a nice little piece called "Meet Paul Ehrlich, Pseudoscience Charlatan":

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS6EGoTuWNY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS6EGoTuWNY)

Ehrlich is one of the top Malthusians of our day.  Very influential...as can be noted by skimming this thread.

According to social science and biology, population is the sum of the population or the position of any organism in a particular geographical location, which is determined by calculation or survey.With the total population of the world, the population of 8 crore people is increasing. After reaching 2100, the population of the world will reach 1,020 crore.

When we are talking about over population, we are referring in relation to the globe.
I understand that what we are referring to as overpopulation is urban and city concentration.
People surging into developed countries and surging in the urban area and their cities
There is a lot of empty vast land all over the globe that human beings have not explored not to talk of settling.

^^^ And in order to let people of excessively populated countries move into the sparsely populated ones, we need gun control. 'Cause if I have a gun, you had better stay off my property without permission.

8)

Humans should adapt to the current situation because there's nothing we can do about it, it's already happening. But maybe we can prevent the situation that could turn into the worst case scenario by continuing to control the birth rate.

I believe that we have two ways.
1. To leave the regulation of the abundance of our species "nature". It's disease, hunger, war.
2. Develop at least an elementary program of population regulation through laws, rules, ethics.

Like the one-child rule in China?
I get your point but it somehow feels ethically immoral..

If we all changed to a vegetarian diet we could feed a lot more people. That's a fact :)

You can't, especially if you live in underdeveloped country.  But you can always help others by not multiply.   ;D

population is the one of the main component of a state.Without population a country can not be formed.I am a Bangladeshi.Bangladesh is one of the most densely populated country in the world.It has about 170 million population with  a land of 147570 square kilometer.However population can be asset of a country.If a country is overpopulated it become a curse for the country.So population growth must be controlled.

That is the problem, people can't stop making romantic moments with their partners especially the younger ones. A lot of young couples are now common to have a sexual intercourse. They usually have an accident impregnating their partners and ending up marrying each other at a young age. Adults are not the only ones who are at fault that the population are exploding, even the young ines has their faults.

The population is increasing by geometrical progression. But the agricultural production is increasing by arithmetical progression. So the countries production fails to feed the increasing  people. Not only this,the job facilities are also unable to cope with tis population. Being  unemployed, some people are becoming addicted to drugs and are being involved in terrorism. So the standard of living, political stability and cultural values are degrading day by day.There are crowds everywhere in busses, trains, bazars,schools and colleges.The price of things are increasing by leaps and bounds. People can hardly make both ends meet.Overpopulation is a hindrance to any kind of development. So,necessary and constructive steps should be taken to reduce the high growth rate of population. Early marriage should be stopped.Introductions of family planning all over the country is essential. Newspaper, radio television and other mass media can play an important role in making the common people aware of disastrous effects.

Population has indeed proven to have impacted the current state of the environment and as a result, are put in a crisis as well. In fact, the Berkeley City Council recently declared a "climate emergency" and stressed that it had more global significance than World War II. They say a "thinning of the herd" is needed. So yeah... our lives are at stake.

Why not to change on eating each other?  ;) To be serious, the problem with overpopulation touches some regions and the rest of world is not overpopulated. Look at some countries in Europe, they solve their problem with old society by inviting immigrants.

This is highly impossible
Almost everything that is stressed losses all forms of comfort and advantages.
Relative to Population which is ever increasing and limited space of the world,there Is only a much population this limited space of earth can take before everything that is going on positively (natural balance of things) eventually turns to the negative.
The resources will be under tremendous pressure to meeting the needs of the over populated space.There is therefore going to be a competition and scramble for resources for survival and comfort.This competition and scrambling will lead to conflicts,famine,droughts pandemics and eventual depletion of non-renewable resources compromising the sustainability.
Unless the increasing population is checked,this is the faith that awaits the world.

All fairytales about overpopulated planet are just fairytales. The planet can carry even much more people. The problem is in the usage of territory for the living. Although there are a lot if ways to live even with 100 billions here. Read books on that topic. F.ex. Ivan Efremov "чac быкa" - in  Russian (just translate it) and "тyмaннocть aндpoмeды". The plot of these books is about the future life's if people. There we nay find global peace, galactic travellings and how the population solved the food problem

if we want to be comfortable living around the crowded population, we should be able to create a pleasant atmosphere do not we mock each other or remain silent with others because it can be a factor for a comfortable life, and we must communicate with each other to avoid misunderstandings between neighbors :D

living a love personifed life can make one live a confortabl life in an overpupolated envronment

living in an over populated environment is pain on a butt for my perspective , because research shows that over populated are people that have some lack of knowledge that can probably disrespect you at anytime , i think it would not be comfortable as we wanted to be , i think we need to just get along to the people.

there are no overpopulated environments only bad organised ones.

this is true for the entire world, see the opportunities in people become their leader to fix issues. a cryptocurrency might be a useful tool.

regards

Population problem is a great problem in Bangladesh. Bangladesh is a very small country in South Asia. In respect of population she is the seventh largest country in the world.So she is a densely populated country. About 915 people live per square mile in Bangladesh.
There are some causes behind overpopulation in Bangladesh. Our climate, weather, geographical condition,early marriage, polygamy,high birth rate etc are the active factors of overpopulation.
Population problem creates other problem like property, illiteracy, disease, failure in agriculture, unemployment problem etc.Our land is limited but the same part of land is divided into many.So fragmentation of land is found where the peasants cannot turn the pair of Bullocks to cultivate properly.31% people lives under property line.One -third of the total population is unemployed.1% of the people is homeless.There is acute pressure on both agricultural and industrial sectors.
Overpopulation is a threat to our country than atomic weapon.No development work can be expected if this continually increase day by day.More people or additional people always need more or additional things.This is a hindrance to development.
Overpopulation is a serious obstacle to development in Bangladesh. Bangladesh is an overpopulated country. If the people and government utilise the country's resources and do other works sincerely,this problem will be solved.So all of us should take a Nobel step of solving the problem and make Happy and prosperous Bangladesh.
Overpopulation is an obstacle to any kind of development. So necessary and constructive steps should be taken to get rid of this problem. Early marriage should be stopped and polygamy should be banned. Introduction of family planning all over the country is essential. Awareness among the common people needs to be created so that they may feel inclined to make their families nuclear. Birth control is essential in this regard.
Population problem is a great problem in our country. So,we all and the government should take proper steps to cotrol the growth of population.

Make friends with everyone on that overpopulated community/environment and you can live comfortably with it.

Everywhere you go, you can bring yourself confidently with it. You have to adapt and that's how you make you live yourself in comfort in such places that has numbers of people.

For  the  human  race  to  be  able  to survive in  a highly populated  enviroment,  we will be  forced  to  change our  economies. most  of  the   activities   which  are  now  being  carried  out  by  firms  are  based  on linear economy. linear  economy  refers to the  process of "take  make process" with  the  scarce
 resources  at  the moment  this  is  not  sustainable anymore.  most  of  the  resources   being  offered by  nature  are almost depleted.  we should  embrace circular  economy,  this  is  where waste  gets  eliminated  in  the economy.  after  using a  certain  product  it  will be  refurbished and  used  again.  this will enable  us to sustain the  high  population  growth  with  the  limited  resources  being  offered  by  the  enviroment.

First of all, you must like to live in an environment like that, you must like the excitement of a big city and everything it offers to its citizens. If you don't like it and feel frustrated, you are wasting your time, it's better to move to the country.

Confort and overpopulation doesn't match. Everyone needs enough space for their individual needs and how can people have it in small places full of people? Not only the apartments are the problem (usually very small), but the stores as well. There isn't privacy, there isn't calm on people's actions, there isn't harmony. But some people like this kind of environment... It's like that saying: "What cannot be cured must be endured".

Population :this is the total number of people living in a particular area at a given time.
Population is of various types and can be controlled through the following measures :
(1)-over population can be controlled by regulation of child's birth rate and this can be best achieved through government policies
(2)-family planning is another strategy for controlling over population
(3)-under population also be controlled to a normal level by organizing health talks for married individuals
Also, high population might affect the economy of the affected area or country to a bad extent

How about VR? If we could have a second life in the virtual world, then perhaps we could deal with overpopulation a bit better? Maybe. Maybe not.

May be the problem is opposite not enough good people around?

For me I can see over population is a problem that some countries are facing. How can we really live comfortable in an over populated place? Maybe it would be better if each family member are earning enough for the family and able to go to school. By that even if we are in an over populated country atleast each of the family are able to provide their needs and live comfortable enough.

I think that the technology will help us solve this problem. Thanks to the optimization of the world around us, everyone will live in comfort and prosperity. I very much hope that we will soon be able to find a substitute for non-renewable resources and everything will be fine

Just buy 3 apartments/houses near by and have fun :P :D

Jokes aside, you need to pick comfortable environment to live at.

Where I'm from there is a saying. Smart man lives where he feels better at, while stupid men lives where he is used to. :)

population problem is very dengerous problem and great problem all over the world. when that population increase growing up,the people did not comfortable live.there are many populated country with world. such that all countries men knowing this china, india and bangladesh are very big populating country. I know Bangladesh is a popularity country and its per square kilo miter 915 people live.

Although some countries have overpopulation due to uneven distribution of resources/education/healthcare, there is no global overpopulation problem and won't be.  There is however a global political problem with restriction of movement.  Hundreds of millions of people in Bangladesh, India, and much of Southeast Asia as well as other various places around the planet will have to move.  Unfortunately, less than 5% of the worlds population has roped off 25% of the planet and called it "theirs" and declared no one else can go there.

^^^ Yeah. Like the Russians have roped off the biggest emptiest chunk of land ever... Siberia. And there is Mongolia, right next door.

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the human race has reached too large numbers for this planet (almost seven billion people), the resources will soon become scarce (food, water), pollution has already reached unacceptable levels, we must all give ourselves a move and changing our habits, such as recycling, polluting less, big industries must understand that it is time to switch to sustainable raw materials such as natural gas and replace coal with graphite otherwise it will be the end of this planet, to live in tranquility/comfortable you need to look for isolated areas with few people (fortunately still exist)...

Actually living in an over populated environment become advantage
for smart people who take opportunity to sell products. Logically, if more and
more people in a country, of course make it easier in terms of selling
can make more demand for products. And that can make big profit, just thinking
about technical marketing for selling the products. If we are can earn a large income,
it will be comfortable living in the environment which is densely populated though.

Humans are basically created with the brain to think. Then of all
problems that occur can be sought for a solution. Problems living in a dense environment
the population is not a problem if every citizen can think innovative and
creative in making money. But this practice is not as easy as reversing
palms, need hard work.

I remember getting told a few similar statements. "Everyone has a sign on their head saying 'I'm special'", and "Every person you see walking down the street is a wallet".

IMHO, a large population only becomes a problem if resources are not managed properly and if you allow the population to be a liability (not disciplining and training them).

The sense I get from most of these earth-is-gonna-die eco types is "There is just the right number of me and way to many of you."  They can make careers out of trying to figure out how to stop the darkies from breeding and often they do.

The problem with 'over populations' is that people get what they need to survive.  Total spend is cost/head * heads.  Twice as many heads means half the profit from one's pineapple plantations.  You can reduce the cost/head, but you get closer and closer to revolt then you have to spend a lot on paramilitary operations and the like.

Kissinger('s people) captured it pretty well in NSSM 200 (https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/Pcaab500.pdf)  From wikipedia:


It would be a good idea for the 13 countries who were specifically named as targets in the above memorandum to pay particular attention the the vaccines that the cooperating agencies (UN, USAID, etc) are bringing in, though it looks like their efforts on the 'injection' side of things have been adopted for world-wide use.  The nature of the effects they have on differing populations is adjusted accordingly.  In the U.S., for instance, giving people non-lethal ailments requiring life-long prescription drug use makes sense because the peeps have money to shake out where in less wealthy countries there is not point.  Just sterilize them or get them to die off quickly.

By the way, the reason why so many people can make a pretty good living working on depopulation programs of various sorts is that the likes of Kissinger are behind it.  Money is not one of the resources that his class lack...and they have a set of ethics which propels them forward rather than holds them back when it comes to eugenical implementations.

Reminded me of that video I saw of the sterilization program in India, which I believe happened during Indira Gandhi's time. They have women still bloody and fainting being dragged out of the clinics to make way for more.

And the thing is, the "pop explosion scare" haven't really materialized. Many countries are rapidly aging and countries which we think of as high fertility like those in the Middle East are also slowing down. We already see in China how things can get messed up when one forces these programs.

Just waiting for people to unleash their inner Thanos in the comments.  ;D

Yup there's plenty of people and they live in miserable conditions but I think we can still find solutions. OK, I ain't going socialist but if we get better at allocating resources, it need not be a problem. This place here got no water and this place here got too much, what to do? Move it around.

I think people have to adapt, there are disadvantages and advantages in a overpopulated
environment and community. Just go with a positive outlook on how things would benefit
you and your interest. The downside of overpopulated areas is the pollution and garbage
waste, in my country that is the main problem and it comes with severe consequences.
Though as people grow old, they would seek a lesser populated and milder environment.

It is very hard to accomplish that, especially if you don't like overcrowded places.
You have to understand that there are limits set by others and yourself so everyone should respect them. If this is the case you are going to live comfortable and not be bothered by anyone.

See https://duckduckgo.com/?q=population+control%2C+developing+underground+&t=h_&ia=web.

These 8 Hidden Underground Cities Are Groundbreaking (Literally) - https://www.zipcar.com/ziptopia/future-city/eight-hidden-underground-cities.

You can figure out searches that do better than this, on showing how we can live underground successfully. There is no end to underground room for living. And that isn't even taking into account above ocean-bed living in the seas.

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My country is in one of those listed. Sickening to think of how low people would stoop for these resources.

And the thing is, these "elites" are mostly doing it just to maintain their positions. They're own populace need to be satisfied enough so they make sure that goods can be taken cheaply from elsewhere.

Not that they treat their own people better. They just need to be satisfied enough to keep working.

It's choking especially when it takes 2 hours to travel 16 km away from home and in the evening it's miserable as it takes upto 4 hours. You can't be comfortable unless you're always at home.

Isolate. Fix your home or try going out to the woods and explore the nature once in a while.

We feel the pressure especially in the rush hour where workers are going home after a long day of work. You guys are lucky because you have that transport called "Light Rail Transit System" a modern "Train". in our city, we don't have that thing. we only have a small bus called Jeepney. when the rush hour comes, you will see a lot of NBA players, what I mean by that is everyone is jumping on that jeepney when they see it coming. If you are not fast enough, the jeepney would be full as soon as they arrived at the terminal. If it is full, you need to wait for the next one to come. this is one of the pressure we are facing every day. Guess why? it is because of the massive population in our country.

In my observation, most Filipinos do NOT live with a 4 hour jeepney ride every day.  Just like in any country, some people choose to live in densely populated areas like metro Manila.  They both reap the rewards and suffer the consequences of their choices.  For people who live in free countries and who have freedom of movement it's a little bit disingenuous to live in a big city than bitch about overpopulation.

I would say that the problems the country has do not stem primarily from over-population.  More from distribution of wealth issues which themselves spring from power balance issues.  Corruption has a lot to do with it it appears to me, and more critically, people's tolerance of it.  There are other things as well.  One of them the 'crab mentality' issue which has been mentioned before on this board.  The peeps grab the nearest person to them to drag them down just like crabs, and inevitably that is someone in their own category.  Support your fellow citizen in their efforts instead and see what happens to the society.

A bigger issue yet is 'brain drain'.  Hopefully with a stronger sense of nationalism more people will stick it out in The Philippines, or at least be more likely to come back eventually.  As I see it The Philippines has suffered vast damage from a campaign of 'demoralization' which is a Soviet term for a long running psychological operation to get the population ready for a revolution.  Who, if anyone, ran such a putative campaign and for what reason is unknown to me.

If low population density was the key to happiness the Mongolians would be a lot better off than they are.

If you wanna leave comfortable in an over populated area,  you've got to figure out how to isolate yourself,  perhaps you find a working place close to your home or you work from home,

You should ask the Japanese, they are masters at this fine art. There's even a trend of building micro apartments in places where the land is very expensive. In the UK more and more people are choosing boats instead of normal houses because it's cheaper to buy an old boat, turn it into a house and live in one of the canals than buy a flat in London.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/boat-houses-in-little-venice-london-picture-id874016848?s=2048x2048

I used to live in big cities but now prefer to live in the suburbs where there's hardly anybody around. The less people there are the more nature you can see around you taking back what belongs to it. Overcrowded places are so loud and smelly.

^^^ But will there always be room to do this? Are the oceans really that vast?

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comfort can be obtained if we can have what we want.
in a dense population we can take advantage of opportunities to make business and socialize with people in our environment.

We already have this kind of house in our city in the village called Rio Hondo, where people are actually building their houses on the seashore.
The reason behind this is the same, it is because of the expensive land. Most of the people cannot afford to live in a land anymore. If you build your house there, you will not pay for the place where you build your house.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--dNQAe130Fs/UUEoSmZVLpI/AAAAAAAAF4E/DPAO5l-5eno/s1600/PC283071a.jpg

I spent my first year of life in such a dwelling (U.S. state of Alaska).  Part of the reason people built that way was that one could shit through a hole on the back porch and it fall right onto the beach.  Same with trash.  Twice a day the tide would come in and wash everything away.  The other part of the reason was that the terrain was very rugged so building a platform over the beach was a way to achieve a level elevation.

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The funny thing about your picture is that in the background one can see a huge amount of dry land seemingly without a soul on it.

I would suggest that TPTB have engineered an artificial scarcity of dry land through various 'land use planning' and what-not.  Happy days for the real estate barons who heavily fund and thus guide various aspects of the 'green agenda'.

Happy days also for the landless bureaucrats TPTB hire who get to play like they actually own something by telling others what they can and cannot do with the land they pay taxes on.

That part of the city is secured zone, We cannot enter there, a lot of soldiers are roaming in the area. You cannot set footstep on that part, the consequences is you will get yourself shot. there are rumors that they are operating something there. some say, that they are mining gold or any kind of Minerals. I don't know, I didn't go that far though I live in this city for almost 20 years.

The idea behind United Nations 'Agenda 21' is to concentrate the peeps into extremely dense areas and keep the resource producing areas strictly off-limits.

By consolidating the peeps they are much easier to manage and control, and the out-of-pocket expense per head of keeping them is much reduced.  Not unlike 'factory farming' of hogs.  A hog's lifespan is optimized to achieve the highest efficiency, and pharmaceuticals are key to various kinds of operations.

A side benefit of compacting people into limited space is that you can propagandize them into believing that there is 'overpopulation' and present yourself (the ruling class) as the savior who will 'save the earth' as justification for your station in life...as the 'visioners'.  People who have not traveled much and only watch mainstream media will eat it up.  We see that in the various comments here.

^^^ The point is that there is no population problem. All there is, is inconvenience and population control by leaders.

Time to move to land areas that are free from great population.Take a few families with you so that you can support each other in times of need.

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You need to be strategic and adopt the changes in the environment. Actually living in a populated environment doesn't mean that you will not be comfortable. And by the way what kind of comfortable do you mean? Do you mean financially? If yes what you need to do is to be unmaterialistic and disciplined. A friend of mine share what was his strategy to earn money. He said I just need to make something as an asset not as a liability.

You really need to understand who the 'change agents' are and what, exactly their end-goal is.

Actually, most 'change agents' are themselves clueless pawns.  You really need to look to a relatively high level to see the big picture.  Much work is done through so-called 'NGO's and 'public/private partnerships'.  Look into the funding of these to unravel the thread.

On a personal level, once you see the big picture and the trajectory you will be better prepared to make good multi-decade choices which will give you the quality of life you think you want.  And take sides politically at some level if you choose to.  It is perfectly possible that most people will choose the 'managed human habitiat' option (and later the 'singularity' stuff.)  I would just say that people should realize that there is deep marketing science used by those pushing this option and it is almost certain that there is a degree of 'bait and switch'.  Probably a huge degree of it.

It's so hard to be honest. I live in one of the most populated city in the second largest country in the world. The constant honking of cars, crowds at bus, train, the constant staring of people at you for no reason are too much to bear sometimes lol. I wish I was in a calm environment. There is actually no strategy to adjust because it's just impossible and hence, best is to collect resources and buy a private alone island :D

We have this called our personal spaces, intimate, territorial and just our owm space, maybe we cam live comfortable depends om how the person itself handle it  or how he manage to ignore the people, mind your own business. This analogy is a better example to give ease on mind when it comes on living comfortably.

Sadly the reality is that we cant live comfortably, the mere fact that some of us doesnt have the privacy mostly the people that are living on an area which many people occupied all of the spaces, to be more specific is the status of most cities that are living in poverty.

I disagree with that, still we can live comfortably despite the fact that we are too populated, here in our country although we are too populated still we choose to live our life at its best. Actually, having a populated country creates a lot of opportunities, the demand is increasing so we can do business whatever we want and wherever place.

Now problems and many people and even the young are interested in survival in the wild . For example in Siberia or in the forests of Canada.  This is now a very popular movement and you can read more about it.

Forget it.  The people who own the planet have already claimed the millions of square miles of those kinds of places and let plebs go there only in very controlled conditions.  Mostly to work on resource extraction for them.

The plebs home is the 'human habitats'.  That is, a 24 m^2 chunk of floor area usually between 5 and 40 meters above the surface of the earth.  You can rent it.  If you have no money it will be subsidized.  You don't get to own it, or really anything else because...you know...24 m^2 allotment.

Note that as a demonstration of the infinite kindness of our wise earth-saving leaders you will have some greenspace in which to walk with 'doggie reflection pools' for your dog.  You can (for a energy credit deduction) have a small pet of some sort.  Obviously you cannot have a human child.

overpopulated environment?

where?

i see all countries with empty land.. i se many of those countries paid by governments not to grow on it, not to build on it but just sit on the land.

over population/underpopulation is not about there not being physical land. its about politics. governments/bankers put limits on what can be done so that the cause a demand increase in urban areas purely for profit.

its stuff like why is the price of meat expensive.. its not due to animal feed issues or land.. but simply farming quotas
housing shortage is not about land its about politics to only want builders building on 'brown' sites(urban) by building up(apartments/skyscrapers) not outwards

no one needs to create man made islands.. if population was a true environment concern governments would and do just release more land for building on

there is 57mill miles² of land.. 27mill miles² for habitable use

this equates to ~8000metres² per person.... more than enough to build a family house on and sell the rest off as farmland

^^^ Right! And if people decided to build up, or build down, or cover the oceans, and build up and down on the oceans, Earth could easily hold many billions more.

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i feel sorry for your wife if your thinking of having 100billion kids in 9 months
if you even done some math,,
8000m² per person

yep a family of four equates to having enough habitable land for 40 of these
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/83/62/ee8362b7cfef4cf9517cc3c196c2e043.jpg
2car garage, outdoor pool, patio area all four sides garden, and a guest house

so selling 39 plots to be used for retail/farming
and this is only in a scenario of single floor living.

The question is not if we can fit billions more.  

The issue is sustainability, pollution control/cleanup, resource (water/air/land/food/energy) management, etc.

I think when we reach 14-15 Billion we will be close to that peak carrying capacity, maybe sooner.

Do you have any specific reasons why that seems like a good number?

Many think we will be out potable water and food when we reach 10 billion.
https://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation

Arable land is already a problem.

I think we will muddle through until 15 billion or thereabouts.   Technological advancements in water purification, desalination, food production will be offset by population rebalancing (from poor, high birth rates to developed, low birth rates countries), and a subsequent spike in energy consumption and an increase in pollution. This will also put pressure on the global population growth rate, which will create more problems as it will decrease the doubling time.

If you want to see what the world will look like in 70 years, take a look at the top 12 dirtiest cities in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-polluted_cities_by_particulate_matter_concentration

This is what Zaozhuang (40th most polluted city) looks like:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-polluted-cities-in-the-world-ranked/14/

Pollution is the biggest threat to the human race, water, land are not far behind, IMHO.  Many people in the developed countries, including people who control the world, ignore the signs because in the West we have a pretty good standard of living and everything is hunky-dory.

I was thinking of 150,000 kids, but my wife opted for a number far less than that.

The point wasn't how many kids anybody might have. The point was and is how many the earth can support. The point wasn't an exact number. The point was to show that with a little innovation, the earth can be made to easily support possibly many times the number presently in existence.

Consider single floor layers, deep underground and high above ground, and in the oceans, as well.

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We are barely starting with the technology that can take care of, say, 100 billion. DickDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com/html/) search on "graphene water filtration" as an example.

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100 billion on this planet?  Hmm, I don't see how.

Exactly, Population Control is necessary! And in order to make it possible, government should impose strict laws (such as having a maximum of two children per family) and have a regular check on per family birth rate!
The offenders should be punished in a form of hefty fine!
This infact has been under implementation in a few countries. In my country, this failed miserly, government forced vasectomy after second child and impulsively, the public got furious and started anti-government rallies. This forced government to take the rule back.
Vasectomy was a bad solution, a heavy fine might also not be sufficient, what else could we think of?

Except that Big Business controls the government. And they are the ones that are causing us to pollute by what they manufacture for us to uses, and the way they manufacture.

Population reduction will be painfully automatic when we start dying off because of pollution. So attempted, formal population control is unnecessary. Cleaning up pollution will only tend to increase population.

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Changing taxation laws to discourage having kids might work.  Instead, most politicians want more growth and higher birth rates.  Maybe not in Africa, China or India, but in the West that is the case.  Instead of getting rebates, tax credits for having kids, the government should impose additional taxes on families that have kids.  

Education, and some other forms of persuasion to move away from the traditional "spread and multiply" mantra to "find other ways to achieve fulfillment in life" might actually work.

Changing behavior is a difficult thing to do.

Start to get the picture by considering a 2000 sq ft flat for four people... close to the average size of a family. Add another 500 hundred sq ft for utility, for a total of 2500 sq ft.

Use a 7.5 billion estimated population of the world.

This equals out to about 168141 sq miles, which equals out to 16814 square miles if there are 10 stories in each apartment complex.

Land area of the earth is about 57,510,000 sq miles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth). This means we would be using about 0.029% (well under a tenth of a percent) of land area for habitation.

We could easily go up another 10 stories, and down 10 stories. And if we considered the oceans, we would almost have an additional 2.5 times the space.

In an above post, I mentioned graphene water filtration, which can filter saltwater. Also, there are farming techniques that use humic microbes, humic acids, gibberellic acid, and plant nutrients that go way beyond fertilizers for growing plants.

And this isn't all by a long shot. We are barely using what we have available to us. One hundred billion population can easily be handled, if we want to handle it. The problem is working together.

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Over populated areas lead to scarcity of resources at different levels if not dealt properly. There is fight and increase in prices of land, food and water. Also, healthcare and employment is difficult to serve as demand is high and capital can be less. But there can be some positive outcomes for overpopulated areas like diversity in culture and if we consider a marketplace, more players lead to more competition which leads to competitive pricing and eventually benefits the people.

My definition of comfortable would be having your own space with all the things you need arranged neatly. It doesn't have to be grand as long as you can move freely at your own pace. You know, just keeping things tidy so that you can rest comfortably despite the environment.

It would be challenging but if there's a will, there's a way. I mean, if you want to feel comfortable somehow, then you should do something about it. There's nothing we can do about the population anymore. You can only change and control yourself. Still, that's my own opinion. We all have different perspectives, after all.

Ultimately, the planet's human population would be limited by the limit on the conversion of available sunlight to food.

Not with nuclear fusion.

Are you talking about allowing fusion energy that is good for life, but shielding from fusion energy that is dangerous for life? Or are you talking about converting fusion to electricity so we can power white light "bulbs" for plant needs?

What do you mean?

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There are advantage and disadvantage of over population, it creates scarcity yes but it also creates opportunity for most people as you can sell any kinds of staff, good and services as there's a lot demand, just like here in our country wherein it is over populated but created a lot of demand.

You cannot stop growing it but a country can reduce it. By limiting child in every country can reduce a population. By the people who doesn't do family planning can do for adding much population.

If you want to live comfortable you can migrate to some country who doesn't overpopulation. If you haven't any money for that then it's fine to live uncomfortable.

I mean that with unlimited energy one can synthesize almost anything a human needs to stay alive including nutrients.  No old-fashioned sun required.

Countries aren't overpopulated it's just people who like convenience. They prefer to live in crowded places because it's easy to get everywhere.
I live in a small town where most people have a big garden in the back of the house and a driveway for a couple cars in front. When I ask some of my friends who live in one bedroom apartments if they would sell it and buy a small house instead they all say no. Because they would have to get a car to move around they would have to drive to work they would have to cut grass and do garden work, stores are far  away they would need a bigger fridge and a freezer and worry about heating. They choose to live in overpopulated places! To battle it you have to battle mentality.

be the capitalist and exploit those who are less

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If we do get commercially-viable fusion, then yes, it is essentially limitless free clean energy. Assuming everyone gets access to it and it's not just held back by the powers that be.

Fusion is essentially the opposite of the nuclear power that we have now, fission.

Fission creates hugely dangerous waste, is non-sustainable because it uses unstable heavy elements as source material, and can have runaway chain reactions, as we have seen.

Fusion sticks small atoms together to create energy. Its srouce is deuterium, which can be extracted from water. Its waste product is mostly helium, non-radioactive and safe. Chain reactions are impossible because you need a constant input of new fuel.

40 years ago when I was a kid 'they' were getting to the point of having energy neutral reactions in toroid containers as I recal.

I would suggest that if the technology _were_ perfected it would probably be 'held back by the powers that be' for the very purpose you mentioned.  I certainly don't rule out that exactly this has happened.  For all the (fairly well controlled) talk about 'sustainable energy' it is very very rare for people to mention nuclear fusion at all.

To say the truth, I would have my own fears for the planet if fusion were perfected and made available.  This stems back to a time decades ago when I was much more aligned with the 'globalist eugenicist' crowd...because they control education, publishing, etc, and it's what I was indoctrinated with.  Both then and now I was prone to draw a mapping between population densities of organisms and thermodynamics.  I didn't learn this, or to be interested in this, it school though.  I was a science geek from about age 8 or 10 and took and extracurricular interest in such things.

Yes, it's a famous joke that commercial fusion is always just a few years away. And with reason, we've had a lot of false dawns over the decades.

Having said that, development is certainly continuing. ITER is being built in Europe (https://www.iter.org/), plus just recently we have the UK announcing plans (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03039-9) for a £200m tokamak... and just a couple of days ago news of the US navy filing a patent (https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2019/10/30/a-breakthrough-in-american-energy-dominance-us-navy-patents-compact-fusion-reactor/#77fe34d10701) for a compact fusion reactor.

And that's nothing. The Association for the Prevention and Relief of Heart Disease (which became The American Heart Association) was started in 1915. They have had over 100 years to get rid of heart disease. And they still haven't done it. In fact, heart disease has been on the rise.

It's like this with all kinds of big projects and cures and junk. Just give us the money and we will do this and that. What a joke.

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Consider the MS foundation (multiple sclerosis):

One Dr. Alan MacDonald found visible worms in the cerebral spinal fluid of every sample of MS victims he could get his hands on.  His discovery is one of the most censored things I have ever seen, and it was vanished from Jewtube long before this kind of censorship was a thing there...it's super common now of course.  I found a copy which is currently up and linked to it below.

Inside the worms are Borrelia Burgdorferi species bacteria.  Now Borrelia Burgdorferi and related species are a VERY VERY interesting bacteria indeed in a number of ways...

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHVXJpDBcmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHVXJpDBcmU)

Anyway, what did the MS Foundation who have collected many millions of dollars over many decades of apparently not doing shit have to say about this research?  Exactly nothing last time I looked.

If you knew how the fusion works on the Sun, you'd know that to make fusion on Earth you need to supply the energy to start the process.

On the Sun, that energy is supplied by the gravitational forces, which creates extreme temperature and pressure at its core.  The hydrogen is already there so the Sun gets these two ingredients for free.

There is net energy produced on the Sun, however, it is just dissipated in an uncontrollable fashion.  To do the same on Earth and recapture that produced energy is a technological challenge.  We might never develop the net gain fusion reactors on Earth.

To get hydrogen we need energy, to start the fusion we need energy.

You have unlimited (for as long as Earth is spinning) energy at Earth's core.  Other than that, these nuclear fusion companies are just burning investor's money, IMHO.

We don't have any proof that the sun operates on fusion principles. Its operation fits that of an electric plasma, better.

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Ya, that's how almost all reactions work geenyus.  So what?

Energy from fusion < (Energy required to produce hydrogen + Energy required to start fusion)

Go back to injuneering school please.

Anyway, once you are disabused of your rather comical mis-understandings of physics, chemistry, thermodynamics, and basic system analytics:

PETN needs a particular form of energy from a blasting cap to detonate it.  Again, so what?


Edit:  Of course the fusion reaction underway in our sun is not net positive energy.  The reaction only sustains because of energy from God which 'produces hydrogen'.  Just ask BADecker as our resident authority on all things God.

More seriously, the high energy consumption of tokamak reactors was, as I recall, associated with maintianing the magnetic field needed to contain the plasma.  Early experiments required an input of energy to achieve this, and they also did not focus on extraction of energy.  That would come later.

Note that the early diesel engines did 'work', but they did not generate enough power to overcome their own internal friction.  Once the principle was demonstrated they rapidly developed into very useful and serviceable devices indeed.

Hmm.  Not sure if you are completely sane or just pretending to be.

If you can get naturally occurring hydrogen gas from the ground or elsewhere as you can get oil, then we can talk about comparing a diesel engine to a nuclear fusion reactor.

Until then it is money burning operation.

Useful nuclear fusion reactors will always be 40 years away, LOL.

https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/nuclear-fusion-power.aspx

We really do. 93% (or thereabouts) of your body by weight is made from elements that are the product of fusion in stars (the rest being hydrogen). Fusion is how stars work. It's why they are stars.

Fusion works because if you force two atoms together, the output is one new atom and a shit-ton of energy (the actual figure may be more or less than one metric shit-ton, but it's still a lot).
The main isotope of hydrogen used for fusion is deuterium, which can be extracted from seawater. Tritium I think is also used, but can be 'bred' inside the reactor. The energy source is cheap and for all practical purposes infinite.

The poor guys is all mixed up, but he's at least trying.  That's more than can be said for most people.

"Deuterium can easily be extracted from seawater, where 1 in 6700 hydrogen atoms is deuterium."  from: https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/fusion-energy-future (https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/fusion-energy-future)

At least he is starting to see the 'perpetually 40 years out' scam.  In fact it was right around 40 years ago that I was reading about the threshold of energy in/energy out in a tokamak was being crossed.  The 'energy out' was not being harnessed in the test reactor of course, but it the reaction was producing as much energy as it took to maintain the plasma.  That's the way I remember the story at least.

Stay humble is all I say for an overpopulated area. Stay close to your friends and relatives. Don't take much space. Segregate your waste and dispose it off properly. Stay updated , stay safe.

If you use plastic bags to dispose of some of your waste, make sure they are biodegradable.

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Hmmmm... That makes sence

quick note on the plastic bag thing

the plastic is not a product in itself. its a bi product of the oil->fuel business
whilst people still use and demand car fuel there will always be more plastic being produced.
by creating bags atleast the bi-product of fuel is not going straight to landfill as a waste of fuel production facilities. so if you have plastic bags, use them, reuse them but do not expect to irradicate plastic ending up in landfill.

this is because 'biodegradable' plastic bags is made up of less plastic and more other stuff. meaning a surplus of plastic that would have been used now doesnt so it will just get landfilled at source as a waste of car fuel production.

what people should do is use plastic bags and then find new purposes for them such as an art material

imagine plastic bags were never made and we always used paper sacks.
th bi-product residue from making car fuel would become the car fuel industries 'carbon footprint' but by passing the bi-product on to a plastic bag factory, it then eventually becomes a general publics carbon footprint and we get the blame for not reusing. finding purpose or disposing of the bi-product safely.
an ingenius plan that was by the way

much like sugar.. pepsi puts sugar in bottles to intice peoples sweet tooth
no pepsi buying customer themselves manually adds sugar themselves to the drink...
but yet obesity and diabeties become the fault of the patient not the pepsi company. all because pepsi didnt use force in ramming sugar down peoples throats

oops i digressed
plastic bag 'biodegradable' does not mean it becomes compost that can be used to enrich soils for plant growth.. it just means after a few decades it falls apart into smaller micro plastic pieces. meaning it still contaminates the land... but just as microbeads instead of sitting as a single object
in short. if it too small to see you falsly believe it doesnt exist

or to visually illustrate it. if you have a box of seeds and then spread those seeds soo widely across a field that you falsely believe the box of seeds miraculously biodegraded.. truth is the seeds then still affect the land they seed into.. just not in a small area space of just the footprint of a box

Yeah and don't ever get into arguments with your neighbors especially about religion, politics and culture. Be civil and respectful. Most of the time people only reflect the attitude that others show towards them so, one way to survive in a densely populated area is to be really tolerant. Learn to just turn away.

And you can also get a lot of friends to live comfortable because if you argue to many others then you live in a scared life. From your attitude to others can help you to stay and live without a problem to the sorroundings.

An argument isn't necessarily a quarrel. To argue means to bring up points. Look at this:

Imagine that you and your buddy go to the lake to go swimming. You are on the beach for the moment, but your buddy goes out for a swim. Suddenly you see your buddy out in the deep part of the water, calling for help, like he is drowning. By the time you swim out to rescue him, he is already out of his mind in a delirious-like panic.

As you near him, he grabs you and tries to climb on top of you, because he sees that you are something that is floating. This drags you down, so you are in danger, yourself.

Argue with him about it? You both want to be saved. And that is what talking about religion and politics does. It clarifies things so that people can be saved.

If you don't want to talk religion and politics, don't go out to your buddy. Stay home. And certainly don't try to save him. After all, you might just get saved yourself.

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Absolutely. I may disagree with you on everything else, but I agree on this.

Getting back to the debate - ignoring the cultural side, I still think 'God' is just the collective term for the science we haven't yet uncovered. If you accept some scientific findings, any of them, then you're accepting something that used to be considered the province of God. Science grows from generation to generation, as more of what was once considered God becomes simple explicable fact. God shrinks as science grows, and God will eventually disappear.

The existence of God has not been proven wrong. As science grows, God may be proven to exist. So far, nobody has checked throughout the universe to prove that God doesn't exist. And, see my post at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg53020554#msg53020554.

The fact that all of nature acts as a machine full of machines shows God. Machines have makers.

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Humans are machines. Made by blind unthinking evolution.
But we're conflating half a dozen discussions here - see you back on the Religion and Evolution threads.

Stay humble and kind to all around you is what i feel will let you survive in over crowded environment. Live with necessary resources, dont cover much space and desire what you can sustain. Over crowded can be useful if you use it in right way , there is ore competition and knowledge sharing through diversity in culture and ethnicity.

How in the world silly can you get? People working with all their best intelligence have difficult times making complex machines. And you think that the complex machines of nature that are far more complex than the ones intelligent mankind makes, are made by "blind unthinking evolution." Quit copying blind unthinking nature." :D

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Yes. Evolution. The thing that often throws people is the timescale involved. The evidence (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/283/5402/674) is that life on Earth started at least 3.7 billion years ago. And it has been subject to natural selection (plus countless random, mostly negative but occasionally positive) mutations since then. It's not as if, as someone stated on one of these threads 'man came out of a monkey's ass'.

The problem with your kind of thinking about the age of the earth and universe is, there is all kinds of evidence that the universe is much shorter. Some of the evidence points at 10,000 years. Since you can do Internet searches that show this, and since you can get deeper by studying the young-earth evidence with those who explain it, believing in a old-universe view is a choice... not reality of an old-universe.

In other words, whatever looks good, and however you want to apply the evidence, is like making a choice to believe whatever you want.

The only way to know how old the universe is, is to believe the witnesses who were there, and recorded their witnessing.

The first two chapters of the Bible were witness records copied by Moses from text in Egyptian libraries about 3,500 years ago. These texts probably have crumbled away with age long ago. But they might still be hidden in some lost Egytian library somewhere... hidden under the desert sands of Egypt.

You can't apply today's evidence without knowing the past parameters that the evidence needs to be applied by. Maybe they are applying the evidence in a wrong way. We won't know until we have witnesses or a time viewer/machine.

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It has advantage but there are some supply on the world that are limited because there are some people who destroy the world. I think it will be a nightmare if the population can't stop from multiplying soon by the billion population but the land doesn't increase and we know that it also cause a unemployment which causes some criminal case.

You have such a machine, its called a telescope. Yes, indeed, whatever you see in the sky is already very. very old, much older than 10 thousand years. And the more you "zoom" in, the farther in the past you pry (not just further away).

Time and Space is relative. You think you could make things simple for you to understand it, but the universe does not care, it simply is.

Humans have this bad habit of destroying written history, from the old Chinese emperors, and the typical invasion armies, they can't simply stand seeing thousand years old stuff. Even modern Americans destroyed humanity's oldest writings when they ransacked and destroyed Baghdad's library "for lulz" (and some profit), just like the medievals, and the barbarians, or the romans of the past. It is a miracle "something" remains, as distorted as it may be, from impulsive selection, and several mistranslations (and even oral tradition).

What little remains is because it got buried before conflagration, such as Pompei, which unfortunately was uncovered and is quickly disappearing.

10 thousand years is nonsense. The Earth alone may be 20 million years old, of course most of its history it has been a barren lifeless planet incapable of sustaining life. Formation of this "Solar" system is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old, and where and when was this system formed?

Humanity existence is but a glimpse in the history of "this" universe. We could again ask the question of, where and when this universe got formed... And it doesn't matter what you believe in, those things won't be changing, at least not "here" on this "Universe".

Besides watching, there is also a proven method of time travel, you can travel to the future, but there is no returning. Simply travel to speeds close to the speed of light. Its already known and documented, Einstein's theory worked, as alien as it sounded.

Do you think reality starts with humans and ends with humans? Yours maybe (in your lifetime for that matter), but not the Universe's.

We know Earth is going to be destroyed about 2 billion years from now. I doubt there will be any "humans" left to witness it, either we would have evolved or most likely gone extinct. Dinosaurs lived on this planet, probably much longer than humans ever will. They lived around 200 MILLION years, where puny "humans" have barely been existing for 200 THOUSAND years at most, but you say its just 10, so i guess the other 190 thousand years they were too busy throwing sticks and stones at each other and living in caves etc. The nearest predecessor to humans took a couple of MILLION years to evolve into "human".

We don't know why things work the way they do in this plane existence, but they do.

10 thousand years of recorded history, but only because the Jews were more zealous to keep their oral tradition going, AND escaped being wiped by others. A sect from them ended funding Christianity, which in turn compiled (the parts they liked) into that book already coming from oral tradition from different languages than the ones used by whoever wrote them, and then again translated, and translated, and translated... and re-translated...

Did you ever stopped to ask what language that Moses actually spoke? If you want to get a bit closer, get to the source, the jews, don't be dismayed by the contradictions you may uncover. Remember this, the bible is not the source, its the copy, a really, really bad copy. Its valuable, but to a limited extent. Even the jew scripture is already altered, by their oral tradition since the times of Moses to the times of "Jesus", AND language changes (or do you think thousands of years would preserve the language intact?). And what language you think the contemporaries of Jesus were speaking? and their followers? Which was the official language (roman empire, remember?) Greek? Latin? Aremaic? a mixture? What about Hebrew?

Read this: If they made this giant mess with just THE name (everyone calling him Jesus is misnaming him) imagine what they did with the rest...

Have you ever tried reading the other books that were taken out from the bible, written by the same authors? Have you ever read Jesus "Lord's prayer" translated from Aramaic? You are in for a shock, given that Christianity is supposed to be based on it... But what's written (current) bibles, is VERY distorted. Jesus gave good teachings, and once you read a more faithful translation, you can understand how Christianity came to be. But the Christians that came after, well, history repeats.., just a century or two later whey were feuding over their founder coming in the flesh or in the spirit. That pissed the roman emperor, the "trinity" was born and that schism was solved...

Time and space are relative. But why does anyone think that the relativeness hasn't necessarily changed over the ages?

For example, you have some cookies. Obviously they were baked. How do you know if they were baked in an electric oven, a gas oven, or in a closed frying pan on on top of the range? You might be able to chemically test some samples. But if they are out of reach, and you test with a spectrometer, how do you know that you aren't missing some variables in the whole test method?

All we are seeing is light through the telescope. We can understand that light from near objects (in out solar system) has been operated upon by the same physics that we use right here on Earth. But what about the light that came over distances that might be millions of light years? How do we know that the physics of the past wasn't different, and only makes the light appear to be millions of light years away.

I'll bet that there are plenty of astrophysysicists who are mathematicians who could calculate a very different distance by calculating a gradual change in math and physics into it. But why do this when it is so much easier to use all kinds of constants that we don't for-a-fact know existed more than a million years ago?

In Big bang theory, we aren't missing variables. BBT says 3 things:
1. Here's the way BB was;
2. We used math, physics, astronomy, etc., to extrapolate backwards to get BB;
3. BB was different than what we have today.

What was different about BB? Well, the stars, the operations of forces, mechanics, math, physics, time. We don't have any frame of reference to tell what the differences were, or when they arose, or if they somehow acted with something like punctuated-equilibrium, or if they entirely smooth changes.

Essentially, BBT has destroyed the BB it created. The best we have is records of the ancient peoples of the world in their pottery, writings, and "sculptures." We don't know how far back (years) beyond these we can go with the same math and physics that we use today. Even now, science is showing with Gobekli Tepe and other places that our calculations of time are way off base.

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Basically, comfort begins with our feelings and thoughts. If you can control it, you will most likely feel comfortable wherever you want to stay. I mean, it doesn't really matter whether there are a lot of residents or even a little as long as you feel comfortable with yourself, it will make you comfortable too with your environment. But if you are a sensitive person, chances are it will be difficult for you to feel comfortable in a lot of places the person. It's better you look for a place that is rather less populous in my opinion

I'll concede that scientific understanding of the distant past is a projection, and that the universe changes over time. You're not talking differences of degree though, about whether the universe is 10 or 15 billion years old - you're saying (in the religion thread) a few thousand or (here) a million, which is simply not true. That can and has been easily tested right here on Earth. Isotope analysis such as radio-carbon dating has proven far beyond reasonable doubt that the Earth is over 4 billion years old.



I really hope you do the sunglasses thing in real life, whenever you make a comment, you flip them down from your forehead. That would be brilliant.

If a person said, "It looks like the universe is 13.5 billion years old according to this evidence or that," he would be okay. But since our pottery only goes back about 5,000 years, and since radioactive dating has its anomalies and flaws, we don't know even close to for sure. All our evidence for the universe age of 13.5 billion could be evidence that has been affected by any number of things that could be causing false readings in the way we interpret them.

On the other hand, if God created the universe about 7,500 years ago, and placed into the creation all kinds of things that could be interpreted scientifically to show that the universe might be older, how would we know?

There is absolutely no proof that the universe is much older than 5,000 years... about how old we can date the oldest pottery and "statues." So, be honest, and say it the way it is... not the way you would like it to be.

We don't know that the earth didn't have a population in the past, that was twice the size of today. And that most of them were destroyed in some apocalypse. The Bible shows that this is possible in Noah's Flood, and Sumerian writings in the Epic of Gilgamesh more or less agree that it could have been that way.

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Living comportable in this world even if it's over populated is easy. You must be use to it. In my country. The population is so huge year by year over 100m+ with only 300km island.

World is so over populated, i can't imagine in future that we can feed all of the people in this world. I can't imagine where the other people live.

Its simple,all you need is money for comfortable life.You have to be richer than 70% of people in that country to call yourself rich and can use that money to get some attention for yourself and make your life better.

But making money is not that much simple.

In a practical way, yes money plays an important role to have a comfortable life. But it is not money alone if you are having a happy family and producing your own food etc you can have a comfortable life, an abundant life best describes this. If those basic needs are sustained like food, shelter, clothing, etc, you have quite comfortable life  IMHO.

IMO,comfortable life means we don't have to worry about our income source for the remaining life time for all the thins like food,shelter and clothes then its comfortable life for that we need lot of money.

IMHO the way you live your life (comfortably or uncomfortably) mostly depends on internal factors such as feeling of freedom, content, self-esteem, etc. External factors (overpopulation is just one of them) play the secondary role. I think that we should focus more on our own inner world which we can influence at least partially than on the outer world that lives by itself.

The only thing you need was the satisfaction about everything and also hard work. You'll become comfortable when you already claim all the hierarchy needs of the person because from that situation, you can live at the higher degree.

become the capitalist let the lazy skumbacks work for you,

you have to tell them somehow that thats good for them,

or better, that god told them to do that and you are some kind of a religious nobility

Even in highly populted nations there will be more bare lands. If those were used effective automatically the issues faced out of population can be sought. In specific when a separate region is allocated for industrial development a mass population gets dumped over that region. If the same is diversified to different localities more people will get job and more relocation gets stopped.

Babies are so cute. And it is so much fun getting them going.

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But they will become more annoying if you have to spend years with them.All the day sleeping and crying.

Use protection for peaceful life. :D

The main problem in our country is the population It is a densely populated country. Due to the increase in population people of the country face many problems. Health problems food crisis water pollution. To overcome these problems population growth must be controlled.

Even if government enforces strict rules on birth control still the existing problems won't resolve any quick so there must be other steps from governments and citizen to resolve them.First stop asking for jobs be your own boss, try to generate revenue for yourselves which also leads to government to make money.

We live in a society as long as the Toto population slowly increases we will not be able to reduce it in any way. We all want our children and families to stay so even if we don't want to our family will grow the balance of the earth will gradually decline. These are the most common phenomena today.

How would you control it? Make people pay taxes for every child like they did in China? This is stupid!
The best way to keep population growing steadily is to remove all welfare. You have enough money to bear 10 children, by all means do it if that's what you want! You only have money to raise a single child and are stupid enough to get 3 you will make your life miserable. People should learn to pay for their mistake and not rely on others to do it for them.

It is very hard to accomplish that, especially if you don't like overcrowded places. I think people have to adapt, there are disadvantages and advantages in a overpopulated environment and community. :) :) :)

When most people think of overpopulation, they tend to conflate this with the issue of space, and living comfortably when the population around them is becoming more and more dense. In some places in the world, this unfortunately is the case. Take a look at any drone shot of the streets of Mumbai, where people seemed to be crammed in like sardines, or documentaries on Japanese apartment complexes filled with rooms no bigger than a closet, in some cases, even a cage, due to the amount of available space so limited in those areas.

However, if you look at the global population as a whole, you can in fact fit all of Earth's inhabitants into a space no bigger than the state of Texas, and if piled on top of each other, in terms of just pure mass, it wouldn't even reach the top lip of the Grand Canyon. The real issue when it comes to overpopulation is resources, or "carrying capacity".
Carrying capacity is simply the number of people, other living organisms, or crops that a region can support without environmental degradation. Certain regions of the world have a higher carrying capacity as others, however the real issue lies in the global carrying capacity. As a whole we are increasingly diminishing our resources to the point where they cannot return back to their normal levels. Take a look at over fishing for an example...

This National Geographic article is really interesting and really shows the drastic effects of over fishing
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/02/climate-change-is-shrinking-essential-fisheries/ (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/02/climate-change-is-shrinking-essential-fisheries/)

Cool stats in regards to fitting all the humans into the size of Texas, sounds fun :) :D

But on a serious note, I think when most people think of overpopulation they're most likely thinking about resource scarcity and having to fight over resources. This is already a problem today if you look at certain middle eastern countries fighting over water: either freshwater, lakes, port access, etc. Imagine a scenario where world powers are fighting over drinking water for their people?

Then again I mean there are solutions that we don't know about yet to these brings -- either through turning salt walter into fresh water (currently happening just very expensive) or literally just growing food in labs (happening now, probably expensive and not profitable)

So we'll see where this goes. Maybe the forum will still be here, maybe not.

Right, but I think that even though the government is moving towards making money the government needs to enforce strict rules for increasing the population. And the rest has to control itself It is never possible to live a comfortable life in this populous country.

Talking about the environment, first of all we've to mention our solidarity, if we attempt to solve the issues ourselves without blaming anyone else for solving the matter, many problems are going to be reduced. If we all work together to stay the environment beautiful then the enduring environment are going to be beautiful. for instance, if there's no garbage left during a certain place or dumped under the bottom, it are often said that our surroundings are going to be far better.

Solidarity is not the environment but a state of mind. I work in one of the busy place with a lot of noise and people. But I barely hear anything or see face of anyone.
Though there are still a lot of things that stresses me out, but I've stopped worrying about the problems. And it helps not just in staying fine but also on solving the problem effectively.

It is depend on you because there are a lot of different personality which is they can survive in a noisy place because the environment that they've grown up was that kind but if you didn't feel like before then it was too hard to live.

I accept as true with you that there are personal reasons for liability, but it's good to mention that there are many other factors which will be attributed, like social, political, economic, etc. Generally speaking, we are all liable for this because we lack awareness.

I think you can just change the country if that's all you're confused about. If you mean the future that we are facing, it is likely that measures will be taken according to the mass extermination of the population.

Living a comfortable life in a crowded environment will lead to a lot of hardship from almost everything to food. But you just said that it will be taken in the future. Make this population problem a little earlier but now it can be avoided All people are aware of now.

the problem is, if everyone is solidarily, few scam everyone else.

This was a thread that has been created almost two years back. The population will keep on increasing with time, and the same increases the difficulty of living. When we talk about living comfortable in an over populated region, it is possible depending upon ones mind. If we have a satisfactory mind to live with what we have and earn it'll give comfort. The mind disturbance to live like king looking upon others makes the mind waver and suffer out of it.

The Earth can feed about 25 billion people and even more without any problems, if we rationally use the Earth. In addition, when we become more, we can begin to develop other planets.
For hundreds of years (or more), elites have been promoting that there are too many of us. They do it purposefully, it’s easier to manage us.

All governments are a state of mind. That's why they write their stuff down. They can't remember it, and their citizens can't remember it, so they write it down to keep their state of mind alive in the direction that they want it to be.

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