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I am sorry to open a topic like this one to complain but I will appreciate seeing something done regarding a problem we have in the French forum, since like a year (or maybe more). I say "I" but I should use "We", yes We are tired to have a forum where it is the total disorder.

I translate here a comment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2875768.msg29739454#msg29739454) I posted some days ago to give an overview what's going on in the French forum:


We are just very tired and frustrated, I think we deserve to have a forum really moderated, isn't? Can't even read a section of our interest since we get unrelated topics. (If I am going to surf the dev. section I am not looking to find topics about VPNs, a bounty, or a topic spammed with faucets referral links)

Now I see you coming to say "Report" do this, do that... It's doesn't work, nothing is done, I repeat nothing is done, the guy doesn't care.
It's not mandated to be active with posting, but at least do what you're supposed to do. What's going on?

Several times, members asked for a better organization in the altcoins sections with maybe sub-sections. He isn't interested, an Altcoin section basically doesn't deserve a place in the forum (since bitcointalk is for Bitcoin)

Oh well, you are not supposed to decide following your own interest but the members, you are not alone in, it's a forum community, not your twitter feed.

There are 4 topics complaining about the no-moderation in our section (I know you don't speak French but it's just to show that's it's an old and recurring problem the community would like to see it fixed, once for good)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2930003.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2436163.msg24947101
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2819013.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2071952.0

I am not even considering the multiple discussions we have in PMs

we will really appreciate if Theymos or anyone do something. #MakeTheFrenchForumGreatAgain :/
Again, I am sorry to complain I don't think I often do and if you think I often do then deal with it, I am French ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I can't agree more with LeGaulois. It is really hard to find anything in the french section right now.
This is really uneffective and an issue that should be adressed.

I am active in several languages sections, and right now french is the worst. I really hope something is done to keep our section clean and neat, for the greater good :D

This is common to quite a lot of the boards. Surely it can't be too difficult to move threads onto the correct boards.

How about a 24 hour warning ban for posters that are in flagrant breach of the board guidelines.

This would be awesome if there was someone to do the moving / banning.

Look like it's too difficult for him.

It has been over 10 months that our moderator hasn't done anything and don't want anyone to help him, so we need a new one in the french subforum.

It's an unbelievable mess, nothing is at the right place, newbie can't understand how the forum or bitcoin works, old one's have to read ann in english because in french our moderator don't want to create a simple sub [ANN] (why do people pay for translation to french?), he doesn't want to pin important messages, he doesn't want anything we ask him since months and months.. and he also doesn't want anyone to help him.

He also said that if he can he would delete the ann section.. Do you believe this ?

Don't know what to say more..

totally agree with Legaulois

This forum would definitely need some strong moderation

+1
It's over a year the french forum isn't moderated by the moderator. Once he said he is not interested to read the altcoin section so how he can moderate without even take some minutes to read (OOOOh he waits for the members to do his job by clicking the report button which nobody is using since nothing it's done. Now it's a forum for how to Make Money Online ):

Why strong ? We don't have any more french moderator, so only a little bit moderation would be welcome. Not someone who say "guys you can use the report button" and that don't care with the rest, that don't deal with us, that don't want to pin any message, whatever we all ask him it's "NO" (in fact he doesn't answer).

The french moderator is like Satoshi for us, we are not sure he really exist.

Given that most sections are essentially broken, the trust system is being completely played by backroom collusions and whatnot, the forum is a few little steps away of being the Bitcoin-Wild-West-Talk[1]. Account farming? Fine. Spamming? Fine. Scamming? Fine. Just make sure you don't offend anyone with your posts or you will be called a lying, racist, shady, trust-whatever-farming user that should be jailed. Liberalists at their finest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[1] Therefore, nobody should be surprised that this affects your local board as the situation is similar in plenty of boards.

@Lauda

The French section is not very annoying and can be moderated easily, people are fine and calm but now it's even worse than the English forum. Imagine yourself.
 
It's simple when you let people doing "whatever they want" 1 time, 2 times, 3 times, no matter if they are doing something wrong it becomes "normal to do it" After 1 year of laxity this is what we get as a result...

Try to visit the section "Development & Technical Discussion" to create a topic asking where to find a bounty campaign, and wait to see what achow101 will do with it  :P

We aren't asking a lot, just something moderated. It doesn't take 30 minutes to move a topic, clicking few buttons. If you don't have time for some reasons (which is normal) then say it, ask for help, I don't know. But don't abandon your duty without telling us.

If a section can't be moderated then I think it's better to close it

I totally agree with that as well. I think we need sub-headings and someone to finally! sort through the topics.

By the way, we hope that merit solves this, but until then, can we have someone present and ready to sort it out! This is starting to get boring! Thank you

I can't really comment on the state of the French section as I can't speak French and rarely go in there but I also rarely see any reports coming from that section either. If you want to help out then keep reporting. If reports are going unhandled then staff will see there's demand for another mod.

that's exactly what our moderator said to us in August 2017;
translation of his answer (bold part) : "that's exactly what I said : if you wonder that french forum is a juke and there is no report then no one give a damn about. start by reporting posts and when there will be too much we will see for a new moderator...". nothing moved from this time.
he adds at the end of the quote (another bold part) that "if it only depends of me, altcoins section should be closed"

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in fact, that's interesting : it draws a line between two behaviors;
we could let things go as they are right now, despite users claim (and that is what longs from now a year), we could do nothing or just satisfied ourselves with what we already have (like "report to moderator" and... that's pretty the only thing we have).
or we could try something new about, something we ask from now a relative long period, and in this exact case, just engaging new moderator, create 2/3 subsections for altcoins, and modifying 2/3 sections to make them more accurate for 80% of new threads.

I also understand that french section appears to be in good condition in surface, but our asking is real.
imo it's more important to prevent decline of our local section. New users always ask for same questions, and I understand why; just for instance, we got a thread "Frequently asked questions" pinned at top of "New users" section; it shows answers to questions that you could ask yourself in 2012!
Another instance is that we got a messy altcoin section, and that's impossible to follow anything in this section. I'm also thinking about poor new members who comes into, and just give up. (Guys, I know it's a bitcoin forum, but altcoins are here, that's a fact, and we can't subtract them from our eyes, so I'm not reconsidering bitcoin's position, just saying that our alt section deserves order to be clear and pleased users experiences).

The real thing is, and I pointed it out many times, we have a nice community, and we already do a great job by trying without any moderation to keep our forum clear, but that's not possible anymore right now.
Now about 90% of our section think the same thing, and that's pretty rough, because it's brake a lot our activity.

You didn't see any reports from us because we have try to deal with our actual moderator and between us in intern.
We also did votes with 85% for a new moderator : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2436163.msg24947101

We are all outraged with that one WHO DON'T CARE WITH US - sorry for uppercase's but it's the only thing to say. The rest is not really important.

@hilariousetc
Thank you but reporting for what? People stopped to do it long ago when we noticed nothing is done. We can't keep clicking the report button if nothing happens after. Just to check I tried some days ago with several posts, and guess what, nothing, nada, zero, quedal...

Hi guys, I don't come here to write a hundredth 15 lines message about our complex situation, because everything has already been said by my top buddies. I just come to claim you that NO, the current system in the local french board isn't working since the great affluence of bitcointalk last summer. Our moderator kcud_dab is no longer doing his job enough.

It's perfectly understandable that he doesn't have time or desire to do it anymore. We all have a private life with all these constraints... and no one can blame him.

But when you don't do the work anymore, you have to leave your job.

We have a lot of old users (who are very invested and who bring a lot to the bitcointalk french community since many years), who would be willing to do this work. So, for the last time, help us to make the French section as beautiful and well-ordered as yours. This is a win-win situation for the whole bitcointalk community.

soy

Reports are not a solution in the french section, i don't know where all this report are lost, but it's a mess other there. I stopped posting in the french section in a regular basis due to that.
there is a lot more posting in English parts of the forum but every post are done in the right section.

I will not blame the actual modo as soy said it's a hard job and we can all understand that he don't have time or will to continue to do it.
But on the other way we deserve a local board as clean and well moderate as other local board.

I also can understand that he is a bitcoin believer and don't like alts, but why French section should be a victim of his own believe,
Alts section is available in every language, and is now probably the section with the more new content,
if he don't want to take part to it, it's his own decision
but the french community should not suffer from it.

we open this thread because we think that something as to be done from the core-team of the forum about this, and i hope that our consideration will be listen.

I could never agree with you more. I am sorry for the moderator, but either he decides to do his moderation work, or someone else does his job.

I have no other interest in being able to read comfortably without having to sort between the eternal requests for airdrop. If I abuse in another part, I am cropped, if I post something irreferent, it is deleted.

Here, just something viable, 2-3 more sections, and someone who takes care of the troublemakers.

With near one year he doesn't do anything for the french forum, why would we trust him? It's too late, we need someone else.

something need to be done in french section, that's a disaster and a big disorder, we really need a good one to do something

There aren't enough reports there. Here are the top reporters over the last 90 days, unhandled reports only:


Even if you look at the handled reports over the last 90 days, only a few people have more than 10 reports.

Report bad posts even if you perceive that nothing is being done, as report stats are one of the primary methods I use to look at how moderation is going in a section, and to assess potential new moderators. Pay attention to your report accuracy; I see a lot of reports marked bad in the French sections. (If you think that a report is incorrectly marked bad, complain about that to your local moderator or in Meta.)

So we have to report hundreds times that our moderator don't care with the french subforum ?

"If you think that a report is incorrectly marked bad, complain about that to your local moderator or in Meta.)" its ironic because he don't care with us and never answer.

So you actually expect every user to do the work, the mod is suppose to do?
Users aren't supposed to enforce rules, mods are.
Also what do we report to get a new section ? There is no function to do that.

Kindest regards

Strange...franckuestein seems to be more spanish than french.

Thanks LeGaulois (and the others) for trying to solve the problem...

Discouraged, members stopped to report posts a long time ago, it's what I was explaining, see yourself with the table you posted it's a good example. Why are we supposed to report when we know nothing is done? come on. I do use the report button on the different forums but why should I waste my time doing it in the french forum? Report marked as bad because it's is a way to tell us, I do what I want. (my accuracy is fine with 99%, but I am not going to waste my time anymore in the french forum, I even stopped to be active in for obvious reasons)

Members are dealing with a forum looking like 4chan, you don't know where to go. Soon you will see in the dev section a lady with a makeup tutorial or how to get pregnant.
It's not like if I was the only asshole complaining out there, almost every French agree. It does mean there is a real problem to look at and a reassessment may be necessary

I Speak fluent french and do not mind helping in any way possible. If someone could kindly let me know the order in which things get dealt with I would be more than happy to assist.

Best,

No, not hundreds, but as theymos and I have mentioned reporting is the best way to choose a candidate. If you're not willing to report then I'm not sure why you would be willing to moderate the section. Besides, if the French section is such a mess as people are claiming then reporting hundreds should be easy, but if nobody is willing to out in the effort then you can't complain.


Most mods are chosen this way. Think of it like a trial for a job, but people make reports to help the community. No staff member should be expected to patrol their sub board constantly all day looking for things to do. If you spot something that breaks the rules then report it and help out, but if you don't want to then fine but don't complain when other staff members can't see the need for another mod when there's no reports coming in from that section.


You just expect us to choose a French person at random to become a mod? What makes you think whoever we chose would do the job adequately? The person who is actively reporting would be the best candidate but if you're discouraged from reporting then that person will likely be discouraged from moderating as well.


Then start reporting.

Check out this racist guys post in the french forum

Bah en 40 tu aurais donné des juifs et les bons coins à champignons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehq8TxJDe10). Moi pas.

De tous les forums que j'ai fréquenté (petits ou grands), je n'ai jamais eu à reporter à un modo. S'il a signé, c'est qu'il avait la foi, car tu sais que tu vas en chier (ou alors tu es très naif).

Qu'il n'ait plus le temps, ça arrive. Qu'il n'ait plus la foi, ça arrive. Qu'il pense que les Altcoins sont de la merde c'est son droit. Mais je ne suis pas son nègre pour rapporter les posts à modérer et il y en a... Entre le newbie qui pose la même question qu'un post un peu plus bas et le chien galeux qui vendrait une couille pour placer son referal.

Le truc qui m'étonne (en général, pas seulement la section Fr), c'est le peu de modo par section locale. Je ne sais pas comment ça se passe dans les autres langues, mais ce forum n'est qu'au début d'une grande vague de nouveaux venus, et le laisser dans l'état actuel (à l'abandon ou presque), c'est aller dans le mur. Y'a pas de honte à demander de l'aide, il doit y avoir une équipe de modos. Non, je ne postule pas :)


TRANSLATES TOO

"Well in 40 you would have given Jews and [url = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = ehq8TxJDe10] good mushroom wedges [/ url]. Not me.

Of all the forums I attended (big or small), I never had to postpone a modo. If he signed, he had faith, because you know you're going to shit (or you're very naive).

That he does not have time, it happens. That he no longer has faith, it happens. That he thinks Altcoins are shit is his right. But I'm not his nigger to report posts to moderate and there are ... Between the newbie who asks the same question as a post a little lower and mangy dog ​​who would sell a ball to place his referal.

The thing that surprises me (in general, not just the Fr section) is the lack of modo by local section. I do not know how it happens in other languages, but this forum is only at the beginning of a big wave of newcomers, and leave it in the current state (almost abandoned), c is going to the wall. There is no shame in asking for help, there must be a team of mods. No, I do not apply :) "


These are the kind of messages I have been seeing in there

@CYFRPNK :

Next time don't use google translate 1st !

2nd : explain us what is racist in his post, he only say he don't want to report as French's did with Jews.

3rd : leave us (at least on this thread), we never see you in the french sub-forum, you've got no idea what we are talking about


Ok, we will reports many posts. Then we will see if any results come. Also as we said many times in this thread how can we report that our moderator doesn't want to to pin the important posts neither create sub sections, it's a mystery.

@Johnuser
Listen man I am french and I Know slang if you want to gossip with that ignorant crap do it on on of your own time not on a forum to educate and be educated.

There is almost "no moderation" in the French forum so it's not difficult to do better than the current guy. I am going to repeat again but: Reporting for what Hilariousetc? To see the reports marked as bad? Why do you want people to continue to report if nothing is done, honestly would you do it yourself? I bet NO.

There are several Legendary members in the French section who could manage the forum. It's not that the rank matter but just to say, there are a lot of people who are old members of Bitcointalk and active for years and know very well the French section.

No need to reply, nothing against you, but I think I am done -.-

Don't use google translation when you don't understand something, he explained below that his first sentence was a joke, a reference to a french TV program... There is nothing racist in this message.


It's ridiculous... You quoted one message to describe the entire french section ? And if you really think it was racist, this wouldn't be a problem for you to see that message hasn't been moderated ?

Don't speak here if it's only to spread false accusations against someone (and the french community btw), and not participating to the debate.


How can we have new sections created and pinned thread with the report function ? I sincerely don't understand how it's supposed to work.

agree with Irlasos, that's a famous tv show and it's black humour, everybody in France knows it. so maybe it could be non humouristic with google translation, but for anyone who lives in France and look at TV these 20 last years, it is perfectly understandable.
except this line, nothing is wrong with the post.

what we ask is totally different than reporting racist posts (that most of us didn't noticed because there isn't). we ask for one (or even two) more moderators, a little more order in the altcoins section of FRA local section (with 2 or 3 sub-sections, to split ANN/bounties/general discussion about altcoins) and nothing else...

Nothing else.. We are hundreds to ask 15-30 mn work, since months and months, it's sound crazy but it's real.

Hello

Theymos talked about bad marked reports above.

Does anyone know how we can see if a report is marked "good" or "bad" ?
Is there a special link for that?

So...our modo doesn't need help...ok.

But it's always a total disorder in our altcoins section, it's normal, there aren't any child boards. Discussions, ann, mining, ...everything in the same bag !
Everyone can see there are 10 différents boards in the english altcoins section !

Yes, i know, it's an english forum. Yes, i know it's a bitcoin forum.
Yes, our modo say altcoins section is the "forum thrash can" and if he could, he'll delete it.

I'm sure everyone here love bitcoin, but sometimes we want to see others things in crypto, we want to see evolution of cryptos, new ideas, new concepts....
Not everyone speaks english (me first, look how i write :D), local sections are needed.

If admins (and modo) don't want french and altcoins, erase them, for now it's more and more difficult to read.

But I'm sure someone will help us. Thanks !

(sorry for my bad english)

The others local sub-forum have child boards, they pinned the important messages, many of them have 2 moderators, we are the last one with so much mess and without any moderator.

None at the moment. Admins are the only one who could see it, I guess.


It must be bad to have a messy local section. Keep doing theymos' hint (reporting the mess) and push this thread every once in a while to keep everyone (including the staffs) updated.

Thank you

I have been reporting for weeks now. And most reports aren't handled accordingly. For instance several threads had been made with a google translation, they are still up and running after several reports.

Hmm... quite the drama here. It seems the simplest solution would be to make the OP a moderator in the French language sections and see if things improve. He's been here for almost 3 years and seems to be quite motivated to get things done so What's The Worst That Could Happen?

The Chinese local board are also having this issue at the moment, the local moderator in charge is fairly inactive, I guess the only way you could do now is to keep on reporting those threads and wait for the local moderator in charge to come online and handle those reports.

Yes, that's the simplest solution.

We report since theymos tell us to do it, nothing is done. Also we ask for pinned message : Our moderator doesn't care

We ask for sub-forum : he doesn't care.

Our actual moderator doesn't care about us at all.

It's really sad that the Mod does nothing, especially when the whole French community have been crying for help/change for a very long time. I myself noticed this a couple of weeks ago when I went there in an attempt to improve my French, by trying to navigate through the forum, and I noticed that some threads have had posts months or even years back, and it appeared as if the section wasn't active all... So I stopped going there. Now with this explanation I can now fully understand why it is so, with people dumping comments in un-categorized sections. Makes it hard to find what you are looking for.

No moderation anymore. So, why don't we hire a new one, and, newb question, how that is done ?

There is no official way.

We just have to make as much noise as possible, and hope that Theymos makes it happen.

Are we talking about the same person?

The OP = LeGaulois

EDIT - @JohnUser did, indeed, think I was talking about the current moderator so the above quoted text by him is no longer applicable but leaving it because it would render my response as nonsense (or more nonsensical, depending on how you view my responses anyway).

No he meant our actual moderator. He misunderstood you.

Hi  compatriots

I'm sorry for our community to see that nothing has been done despite the massive reports that have been made from several members. Myself I spent quite some time to report but resulting in zero actions, and no improvements. The only thing is suddenly the moderator logged in after several days.
By opening this topic I thought it was going to change things, but apparently, we're not a priority here. Remember who was saying "France you like it or you leave it". Look like it can also be relevant to the French forum.
You can always participate in the English community to interact with people where things are better respected there

Liberté, égalité, fraternité, la Gaule est la véritable plus grande puissance mondiale. Respect us we are legend :D 🇫🇷

From what I've read in you explanation, I think your local board need more moderator, or maybe a new one.
Moderator's Job for moving thread to proper section, lock it when so many spam replies, or move it to trash can.
If the thing that happend in your description is all true, that  means the moderator can't do the job well. I don't know the procedure but you should ask for new moderator.

That's what we are doing : asking for a new moderator. You should read the whole thread...

Excuuuuse me, but did you read the whole conversation and understand it? We're not asking how to join the French Chambre syndicale de la haute couture to become a grand couturier

I think that was a shitpost designed only to get a sig viewed, not to actually add to the conversation. Theoretically the new merit system will correct this over time... theoretically.

Theoretically!

But now imagine it, without moderation, and without sMerit... hello to french sub-forum!
We've got a lot of problems there, and it becomes impossible to have a nice experience.

- We got many spammers/bots/newbies without any real moderation. We try to do our best to keep our section clear, but we can only report to our moderator. Ok, we understand what you said, then we keep on reporting but sometimes, even after reporting a message, we can see that nothing is done (but report was counted, as when you make another report, you can see how many reports you did, and how accurate they are).

- Sub-sections of our local section is outdated. I'm trying currently to discuss with other active members to reorganize them.
To explain myself just a bit, we got only one section for altcoins for instance (no difference between ann/bounties, general discussion, speculation, airdrops...) where german, spanish, and even english sections (and many more) have organized sections... we also noticed that we miss some sections as security, and some of existing ones need to be split.
I'm gonna post it in meta section in a short time.

- Just think also that we see us as a strong community (I know it's totally subjective) without moderator (yes, we know we got one, and I know you get it, you told us what to do, and we respect it) but I really want to point out he just comes sometimes to see/valid reports and he doesn't actually be an active part of our community, also without any kindness from higher level. Some of them are fighting now since 1 year... and they tried to get over our local moderator to change things, without results. Really demoralizing.

- We already run out of sMerit in our local community. No local source. That's pretty demoralizing too.

Keep also in mind that we are trying to run our local section actually, and we all know each other, so that's why most of them are trying to find a new moderator by voting in our local section. We must find someone with motivation, efficiency, exactness, accuracy, and ofc, an active member!

It's a shitpost for a sig campaign.

Hi. Almost one month later, can you give us an update of your query above ?
Thank.

Hi Theymos,

As far as I'm concerned the problem in the French section isn't the amount of shitty posts that need to be reported, it's really the lack of organisation there.
I think what people are complaining about is that they have to dig through subforums to find good threads. There aren't even any stickies there !

The altcoins section is the messiest of all with interesting topics (airdrops, news, speculation....) lost among numerous ANN threads translations and other stuff.
All we're asking for here is for you to revamp the subforums so that everything gets much easier for us to read and follow.

How about we French users talk about it between us and come back here to submit to you an idea for a new model ?

we are discussing about re-organizing efficiently FRA section actually! But as I know our place is a jungle, I understand you didn't find the thread! I PM u ;-)

One month later, nothing has changed, the same mess. Traductions with google translate, necroposting, posting multiple times the same messages, I think there are more bots than real users there.

Thank you to the administration/moderators for not doing anything.Report, report, report, it's all that you tell us


 I think now it's time to lock this topic since it is useless to try to get something.
The French section is dead like a graveyard now



(French mod
last log in 5 days ago
last post 3 months ago)


Edit: few guys asked me to unlock this topic, so here it is...

The thread is open again, sorry to ask again, but can you run again your query about unhandled reports ? The results will be more significant now.

Yes it would be great to have new figures, because our french moderator doesn't delete any reported post anymore.

In fact we don't know where he is since the 27th january (2018) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85550;sa=showPosts

It's not true, he comes a few minutes online every 2 or 3 days and randomly handle the reports.

We are reporting more and more, it must be exhausting for him, he's not used to it.

But the french forums and especially altcoins section are still (and more) a hell of a mess, no moderator at all or the one we have right now end up the same.

That guy said this only one month ago :


I translate
"LOL, the modo is like Santa Claus, he only comes here once a year! Besides, we have to pray for it!
Otherwise he never comes into the Altcoins section (because towels and floor clothes mustn't be mixed together)!"

As you said, he random handle reports. Nice job, all my report have been approved but NONE have been delete.

@Saint-loup it was sarcasm against our moderator.

I don't like hypocrites and on the top of that;  You joined not so long ago, the moderator is inactive for over a year maybe. Additionally, we're watching him and we clearly see that NO it doesn't come online every 2-3 days. (cf a post somewhere where I am saying he doesn't come for 1 week) (note: only about 20 posts in near 1 year)

"exhausting" you must be kidding. it takes few minutes daily (2-3 minutes) to click some buttons.

Go out, it's sunny. We are looking for a discussion here between members, not a sandbox review

2-3 minutes x hundreds if not thousands of reports soon adds up. Then add to that the slowness of the forum which makes handling certain reports very tedious and time-consuming. Most local board mods are likely swamped and reports just keep piling up making the situation worse. I've messaged theymos several times that a few of the local boards need additional moderation but that's something only he can initiate.

I have no doubt about it, especially for the English forum where it must be exciting daily.

But the French forum is small, if you are regularly checking, you may have 1 report every 1-2 days to deal with. Of course, if you don't do anything for a month it's something else.

But the guy comes but doesn't do anything, I guess it's just his way to say "hello". We were even suspecting him to click the "good report" without doing anything, just to make people thinking he is doing something

Finally, members saying the (English) forum is a mess, they are all welcome to check few local forums, they will see the pain.
The "great project Sir" posts are nothing compared to what you can see.

I see lots of your reports still in the cue. Only one has seemingly been handled recently and the rest haven't so they have yet to be approved.



When you report a post it gets added to your report count but that doesn't mean it has been handled. It's likely that the reports just haven't been handled yet. I can only see two of your French reports have been handled recently but lots of your English ones have so maybe that's where you're getting confused.

Hi Hilariousandco. Thanks for your answers, and I'd like to take up some of your time.

A month ago, Theymos asked us to use the report button to see if french local boards need a new or another moderator(s). OK, I started to report because good topics are flooded by spam/scam etc...

Now see my report accuracy :

http://precu.free.fr/BCT/Report.PNG

WOW 100% ! Impressive ! Am I such a good "reporter" ? I don't think so, because there is a big problem : ~60% of my reports are not processed (and I'm not the only one to notice this). I reported only in french local boards.

I copied and pasted (almost) all my reports, you can check them here : http://precu.free.fr/BCT/Report_modo.xlsx (http://precu.free.fr/BCT/Report_modo.xlsx)
If you want more information about my reports, i will give to you.

For example, OggyBesiktas/Smoke06/HDIMI is a well known multi-account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg29330546#msg29330546) who use the french altcoin section to make his bounty with Google Trad. His sentences use french words but they have no sense.
In one day, Backo makes 40 shitty posts with answering old topics.
Last example, in alt forum, there is ONE topic to list airdrops. And there is one guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3193335.msg33098347#msg33098347) who decides to make his own topic (with his referral of course).

We are helpless and our only hope is our moderator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85550;sa=showPosts), but look at his last posts, he doesn't exists, he's a ghost. Maybe he was a good moderator, when they where only 10 french Bitcoin enthusiasts. But now there are 10, 100 times more people and one moderator is no longer enough.

How long do I have to keep reporting messages to hope things move ?

Yes it was, obviously!  ::)
@AllThoseWhoDoubted

I would be curious too to see the number of unhandled reports in the french section.

It should be interesting to know since when they are in cue. Handling time, delay in cue should be better criterion to evaluate the situation.
Also handling delay for handled reports, and so it goes on...

The thing is, above numbers, percentages, and every raw datas, there is a true and real complaint from a community, and it should had as much importance as datas could.

Why don't you ask for a moderator badge to clean all the shit in the French section, so then you make what you want. the guy s are trash there, it's a shame for La gaule :'(
You're old here and are quite involved in the crypto community IRL, you can send your background

I don't have to/am not looking for/  "to make what I want". I am suggesting/reporting/looking to get/ what the French users would like to have, not me

I , for example, have been asking for some changes in the altcoins section, and it's not because I am interested in, I have never posted into the altcoins french section" but I asked because members are all asking for. So why not to give them what they're looking for if they enjoy the forum

When you're using a forum community, you have to remember it is a community and so you need to consider everyone  (a least if you want to see them come back), and not based your own interest. If you see there is a high demand for something then for the interest of the community you need to consider it, no choice.

The moderator didn't want to create a better alt section because he doesn't like altcoins. It's ok, it's his right to not like, but he isn't alone in the forum and it is a must to consider people's opinion.
Just for the record, it's the members who make your forum, not the moderators (well not really true but you get the idea)

Don't forget it's call french because of the language but it's not only france and it include many countries with french language.

We already said that you will be a good moderator for us, also we have no one else to do it before this summer so you are the good one.

Your accuracy wont be effected until they're handled / marked as bad. As for how long you should report that is up to you. I've told theymos several times that certain boards need additional moderation and there's nothing else I can do.

@hilariousandco

Isn't possible to have a current Mod or a Global Mod to spend just 10-15 minutes of his free time just to try to clean what he can. (Almost all French are ready to help him if there is a need to provide a link to what's needed to be moderated, a translation of post to show it needs to be moved-trashed, etc...)

Right now, as an example, they turned the Bitcoin for beginner's  section into the altcoins section, mixed with how to use telegram discussions, or WTS topic, with a book claiming people will make 2 million $, just for 17$ and so on.

we will soon see a lady asking what's the next date for her Menstruation and in the speculation section we will see her speculating about the volume of discharge of blood she expects

What's sadder is to see when a member is telling them they posted their topic in the wrong section, he gets as a reply:
Yes, I know it's not the right place, then what ?

Sure, if you can find someone who wants to waste their time with it. I know what a shitshow the entire forum is. I've told theymos numerous times about the various issues the board has and how they're continual exploited and it's the same thing every time: nothing gets done. All you can do is keep bringing it up but there's only so long you can keep banging your head against a brick wall. I also subscribe to Einstein's theory of insanity:

https://orchidadvocacy.org/uploads/3/4/6/2/34624943/insanity-einstein_1_orig.png

We have a french solution to resolve this Einstein's theory :
https://i.imgur.com/WjSSVte.jpg

By asking I was just hoping to see if it's possible to get a bit of voluntarism. But I understand your point of view, It's not much fun having to clean up other people's shit. That said, there is one user I reported and some of those comments have been deleted while the ghost moderator hasn't been here for several days. Besides, the last time he was online, he didn't do anything. So there must have been someone who did (thanks to him)

We had Mai 68  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968_events_in_France) and 2005 French riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots)  in France, we can also make April 2018

Again me! Howdy?

I am posting something to show you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=208.0
There are ~30 threads per page I reported 14 topics on page 1 alone.

Let's wait a few days to see how the moderation is.

(Section description: Neophytes only forum: this is where you ask your questions if you are new to the Bitcoin world.)

Topics reported are about ICO-airdrops-members introduction-should I buy a VPN-How to use telegram app-spams-etc
Reported in English as others concerned people will be able to check

Hi again.

Ding 300 reports \o/ And still 100% of accuracy.

http://precu.free.fr/BCT/300.png

I have updated my xls file :  http://precu.free.fr/BCT/Report_modo.xlsx (http://precu.free.fr/BCT/Report_modo.xlsx).

101 reports have been processed.
179 reports have fallen into oblivion.

And we have noticed that some reports (How many ? We can't know) are processed by global moderators. Thanks to him/her/them.

And look at this new topic : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3301736.0. Funny no ? Edit : OK topic delete, thx
Strangely enough, there is no spam in the Bitcoin international section : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3301792.msg34476040#msg34476040

So, still no need for a new or another(s) french moderator(s) ?

moderator Last Active:   Today at 08:26:35 AM


zero task done to clean the forum. So while you repeat we shall report, report and report, now you can understand why users are tired to report a post knowing nothing is done and most of the active users left the forum already btw

the current moderator is useless and hasn't any interest in the French community we all agree, and to say all hate him with this situation, and he is not welcome anymore among us. yes it hurts but I say the truth

edit
the list of the poster above
https://pastebin.com/8NSeLVxz

You should archive your link when you think they can be delete, so we understand what you were talking about.


Well, well, well.. so imagine to have sub-forums and pined messages, look like we are asking for god.

It seems like adding /changing moderator won't happened anytime soon. BUT there is something HUGE that could be done for the french section, which is also pretty simple:

To divide altcoins section in two sub-forums, something like that:

Altcoins:
======
 > [ANN + BOUNTY]
 > [Altcoin discussion]

So nothing fancy, and it would be much easier and much more comfortable to read. There are so many threads about that already.

I understand that it is BITCOINtalk forum, and Bitcoin is the main crypto. I respect that, and I am a bitcoin fan myself. But, there are 1500 others coins and tokens out there. Bitcoin is great, but blockchain can be used for many others things completely different, and it is a shame not to acknowledge that. Blockchain is the future, it is getting integrated in every kind of business, why couldn't we discuss that ?

Or this is a Bitcoin forum only. In that case, every altcoin sections should be deleted, and of course every bounty as well. This forum would loose traffic and money but you can't have it both way.

Anyway, one sub-section and every frogs would be happy. At least for now.

Hi there, it's been a long time since I've been around here.

First, I would like to thank Theymos for the little update about the reports. Now we can see how many reports are good, bad or unhandled. I don't have to put my reports in my xls file anymore :).

But the french community is still not satisfied with the situation in the french section.

My report accuracy is : You have reported 371 posts with 99% accuracy (177 good, 2 bad, 192 unhandled).

192 unhandled reports. No need to say more.

Our mod is still a ghost (last post : 27 january, but he comes every day or so) and we don't know if he does his mod's job. And I'm pretty sure that reports are handled by global mods. Is it possible to know how many reports has handled kcud_dab ?

It has now been three months since you asked us to report. Now it's time to make a decision. No ?

We need one (or more) active person to delete posts from spammers, scammers, shitposters or translate announces with Google Translate. A person who pinpoints useful topics to help beginners. Etc...

Well if someone might be added as one of your Mod (I suggest one of your group of concerns) so that someone will do the traffic and locking of threads and the other will continue to watch the group and report as many as nonsense or out topic replies and topic in a certain child board of yours..people fell dismay if most of their replies are deleted but in this way a lot of people will be discourage to leave comments without a post and they will think twice before leaving a reply...

It is now well known in other countries that the French section does not have any moderator.
In fact more and more other countries are coming to bother us, knowing that nothing will be done against them. Arabs who speak 3 words of French take the opportunity to post dozens of totally illegible translations, etc....

So I don't see why, for my part, I would say thank you to theymos for leaving us alone, without any help.

I'm just tired with this situation and see that the staff don't care at all!

Here it's bitcointalk (talk-> english word and bitcoin -> not alt). So, i understand just now (i'm here since a long time) that this forum is for english speakers and for bitcoin speakers. Speak bitcoin in english or leave.

Ding ! 400 reports.

You have reported 401 posts with 99% accuracy (192 good, 2 bad, 207 unhandled).

But Theymos still doesn't care....

Same for me, reports aren't treated...

Well, French people, I guess you know what to do...

Revolution! lol

So someone do a little bit... you know which ones are treated?

Here I am :

You have reported 122 posts with 89% accuracy (46 good, 6 bad, 70 unhandled).

Everyone is fed up with the french section and most of SR/hero/legend don't even post there anymore. It's too messy!

So @Theymos, come on, what would it cost you to give us a mod? Just come and explain us instead of saying we have to "report to moderator", we don't have moderator!!!

Legaulois (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507856) would be perfect for us.

+ 1 with JohnUser.

JohnUser tries almost a year to have a clean FR section.
And nothing to change.
We don't have moderator.

https://i.imgur.com/WBESXDe.png

Print screen speak for me.  ::)

I made 4 report today, and the unhandled go 87 to 91.
So I don't make report for one month and nothing change.

Theymos you are a lazy man, make some thing quickly. Please.
Because 1 years we ask you to made your job.

Sorry for my bad english. But we have enough about  kcud_dab

Can another moderator do something for this kind of topics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160886.120;topicseen (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160886.120;topicseen) which are spaming with bots (with automated translators) ?

7 pages - 130 posts- of spam with low quality automated translations, that sound crazy.. Welcome on the french local board with no moderator : http://archive.is/zfrqR

That's what I said some time ago. Most of the former members left the French forum gradually when they saw what it had become, a garbage can. You won't see them anymore because they're gone once for good in the French crypto forum (don't remember the name). It means even if a new moderator is added they won't come back. It's sad since we had great members and nice discussions. It's too late now for them. There are maybe only 10 members left in the french forum now, all left, and all others are bots or shitposters using a translator to post comments we can't even understand

The guys know there is no moderation in the french forum so now it becomes a standard to post using a translator and getting paid to copy paste what google says.
I once reported all the shit posts, reading the discussion 1 by 1, nothing has been moderated and I wasted my time

I have noticed two others topics of this kind :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3502515.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3679153.0;all (I tried to communicate  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3679153.msg38498282#msg38498282)by linking a video that has no connection with the token, I only got a banal answer)
Of course, I reported these 3 topics, but (of course) no action.

This part is not true, some DTs are helping us : To all BMs, here is a list of fake French translators - help us tag them ! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4498551)


Help us tag them there : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4328297.msg40969095#msg40969095 or there : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439129.msg40566799#msg40566799

Then we post on the link above ("To all BMs..."), also please don't forget to archive their post before tag them.

DT members don't moderate anything. They help by tagging them but the trash is still not modearted.

They're not paid, that's the part I have quote from your message, so they don't come back - with the same account at least.

Of course it doesn't change the fact that we don't have any moderator, we just try to do what we can, waiting for theymos to do something..

It should be interesting to know since when they are in cue. Handling time, delay in cue should be better criterion to evaluate the situation.
Also handling delay for handled reports, and so it goes on...

The thing is, above numbers, percentages, and every raw datas, there is a true and real complaint from a community, and it should had as much importance as datas could.