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There are lot of scammers we had encountered from the past and I'm  pretty sure that we will still encounter scammers in the future. But in this topic we will focus on Scammers from Signature Campaigns. We are just participants, when we found an interesting signature campaign. We apply immediately without hesitation, and that's the common problem why we are getting scammed. Because we are careless, but is it really our fault? Or those fucking scammers who made those fucking scam Campaigns? We just wanted to earn bitcoin and because of our excitement we didn't even notice that the campaign is suspicious. Besides that, we will be called "shitposters" because we apply in suspicions campaign.

Im just thinking that maybe we can do something to avoid these scam projects.
For example, in a particular campaign. Why it is hard for the Manager to escrow the funds? What's the problem? Are they scared? Or because they can manage a campaign without escrow? I know that some signature campaign still pays their participants although they didn't have escrow. But usually those are trusted Managers.
But how about those Campaign managers with "Newbie" accounts. They know that they're untrusted but still they don't want to have escrow. Then they will say that "we are not scam, we dont force you to join if you dont want". If they are really not a scam. Let's somehow prove it by having an escrow.


I think we should add "Having Escrow is required " to the rules of our Forum for Every Signature Campaigns that will be made here in Bitcoin Forum>Economy>MarketPlace>Services and also for other campaigns here (I'm not including Signature Campaigns and bounties in the Altcoin Section as they give tokens not Bitcoins) . This is to avoid scammers only, not to destroy their images. Every single campaign should have escrow except if the Manager is a trusted member of the forum.




Guys What do you think? :)  I still need your suggestions about this idea. We should act immediately.

Do you don't know here how does the system works? please read top reputable scams in Reputation forums. Although these ICO 's are bullshit as they come up with little investment, script , design etc and saying millions of token supply.
P.s this section is for services must move to the right ones.

I do know how the system works. When a campaign happened to be a scam it will be reported directly to the scam accusation right? But with this idea, we will somehow prevent a scam project/campaign before it starts. So that no one will be a victim of scam Campaigns in the end.

What do you prefer?
1. Joined a campaign>Been scammed>Reported to scam accusation.

Or


2.Prove that the campaign is not a scam by having Escrow as a requirement of every campaign before it start>Get Paid.

:)

Those are some good ideas to implement on the form. Usually scams adapt to the situations they have to go through. As much escrow would be a good solution, scams will find a way around it. :|

Hmmmmm. Nope, there's no other way for them to scam us once a campaign already hired an escrow. There's no doubt that they can still make fraud if the funds are being escrowed by our trusted Escows. At least, knowing that a campaign is already escrowed is a relief to every participants.

A campaign that doesn't want to escrow their funds will be suspicious and even considered as a scam. Except if (Like what I said in my thread) the Manager is a trusted one. You know, its pretty obvious if a manager didn't want to hire escrow. The question is, why they don't want to prove if their project really is not a scam. The fees for escrow is not too expensive right? But why can't they even do it for their project's sake?

That's a good idea, but this requires more attention from the moderators of the forum. And the Bounty Managers have to be informed about it, after all, they are the ones making profit out of it.
Another problem though, some ICOs only generate the tokens during the ICO, that would be too late for an escrow to actually get the coins, as most Bounty campaigns begin 2-3 month earlier since the ICO has been launched.

We must know bout bussiness that we enter,  and go for research tp avoid scam.  Because some people now use their strategy to scam other people.  So we must stop them by avoid scam,  dont give trust tp other people unless they have good intentions to you.  We must be honest to others.  

I think spotting individual scam is not that hard, usually they're people who are desperate on money or lazy one or reckless . They want to have money immediately like thirsty and they will do anything for it even scamming others. So i suggest you to stay away from them , specially gamblers.

Spotting a scam project isn't that hard, they only have a white paper and a fucking huge marketing . Just simply check their white paper and you'll see there is nothing in it(or they could steal from other project) because actually they're a scam one, if they really have a good ideal , good solution they will absolutely go with it .

Yeah you're right. But In this thread I'm pointing at Campaigns made in
Because you're right, Campaigns that offers tokens can only pay participants after they generate tokens during their ICO, and it's really hard to get Escow in this kind of situation. But I'm talking about is Campaigns that will pay BTCitcoin. We must prioritise having an Escrow to campaigns with Bitcoin as payment.

We are just starting to develop (Actually this is still just an idea of mine) this solution that's why we don't have to rush, we must focus on a certain place first. We will find solutions about avoiding scam in Altcoins too after this one has been confirmed or implemented by our Moderators in our forum's rules.

First, always the site you are visiting if it is legit and can be trusted. Second, if someone is offering you how to gain money easily think twice and check the credentials of the offerer.
Lastly, study the process in bitcoin to be more knowledgeable hot bitcoin industry works.

Maybe avoiding them would be better and keeping our excitement inside rather than jumping to it. We really can't stop scammers from coming, but avoiding them to prevent us from being scammed is much easier. When they say that line "we are not scam, we dont force you to join if you dont want", avoid it right away. I saw many scams with that line.

I think this suggestion will only work on Bitcoin, Because in altcoin section they are only paying you altcoin, even if they escrow it, we still unsure if this token really has value after the ICO. That why we call it as Shitcoin in the altcoin section.

I know that bounty hunter need an assurance in order for their work to not wasted, I think the reason of some of the Campaign Manager
to not have an escrow, is to prove that they can become a trusted member even though they are only newbie, like strawbabies, When Strawbabies started his Campaign Manager business here in the forum, he is only a Newbie , if I'm not mistaken (Note: He is also the Escrow of that Campaign), and I'm one of the participants of his first campaign. Although many people have doubt about him, he still continues that campaign and became one of a trusted member that I know.

It might not work on ICO since the companies have no funds to start with.  They are doing ICO to raise funds to support their project.  And I think, it will be hard for the companies to pay for bounties if the project is not successful.  They are returning the investments to their investors, they will not have funds to pay for the bounties.

Maybe, the bitcointalk team should kind-of register or accredited bounty managers and these managers should be responsible enough to investigate and research on the projects they will be handling.  ICO/Bounty post should only come to these accredited managers, this will probably filter the scam/non-paying projects.

Although i have not encountered a scam signature campaign yet because this is my first campaign, i like the idea of having escrow for the tokens allocated for the bounty hunters. I could see now that some campaigns are doing that, they have escrow for the bounty funds and i think many will follow this idea.

Yuph. That's right Silent, Like what I said, It will be good for campaigns with Bitcoins as their Payments. But I'm sure that we can still find solutions to avoid scam in Altcoins too in the future.

Also, a Newbie Member can still gain trust although his/her campaign is escrowed. By having escrow is just a proof that he/she is worth to trust. I'm sure that anyone wants to earn  people's trust here but, this idea is just to make it's participants calm about their payments. What do you think? :)

Ps. I've learned something to your post  ;D. So those tokens are the one called "Shitcoins". I already heard about this "shitcoins" before and wondering what it is. But I'm just too busy to find out what it is and forgot to search it through internet. Thankfully you mentioned it  ;D

Hi,

Indeed, you can find suspicious campaigns... But i would say it is up to you to check and go have a look on what is the signature campaign about. You can make some verifications yourself. This, should allow you -, at least, to have arguments when people start pointing down at your signature.

Otherwise... yes, indeed, you may be scammed. That's also part of bitcoin I guess...

Beware of Google advertising / Yandex. Often the swindlers buy ads through Google AdWords with links to websites whose appearance is very similar to the popular bitcoin resource interface, for example Blockchain.

I also encountered scam projects, I joined to the project in 3 consecutive weeks but the worst, the developer did not pay the bounty hunters and run the money that they collected during token sale.
In my case, I did not feel hurt when we are not paid for our efforts but I think it is more painful for those people who invest to the ICO.

Well, I think there's no more suggestions about my idea. But I still wish for this one to be implemented to the forum's rule. I hope someone from the Moderators notice this little idea of mine.

Literacy is the key. By educating ourselves, we can avoid such pitfalls. Do enough research and study so that it will be easier to discern what is a scam and what is not. Be careful in making decisions. If it's not a realistic way to success, doubt it. Success is not an easy thing. It also takes time and effort. Successful people would attest to that. Remember that there is no easy money.

That is a good idea, having escrow is required will reduce scam bounty campaign. But before getting into a signature campaign, its our job to study first and research the project of the ICO if its good to promote the campaign and not going or less likely to be a scam campaign.

Yeah. That's right. It will definitely reduce scam Campaigns and actually, if ever that a campaign has been escrowed. There's a possibility that it is not a scam project. Sometimes escrow also take time to review their project to determine whether it is a scam or not. And having an escrowed campaigns leave us relieved from worrying.

Well, that's a good idea. Even they don't hire a trusted campaign manager, hiring escrow will prove that they are serious to start a campaign.
But is there any escrow that accept any coin beside Bitcoin like ETH, LTC, etc? Especially ETH because I saw some campaign that pays with ETH

We must know about business that we enter,  and go for research to avoid scam.  Because some people now use their strategy to scam other people.  So we must stop them by avoid scam,  don't give trust to other people unless they have good intentions to you.  We must be honest to others. 

I have some opinion to avoid a scam, it is a true and legit information because it stated by my prof. in college and she is an IT graduate that is why she has an expertise when it comes to the word scam. The best thing to avoid scam is that, do not browse the url with http: because it is not secure. The only secure is the https:// and make sure that the color that is green. :)

Very interesting topic. As a newbie I truly did not know how to differentiate between scam campains and knowing that some will use escrow to secure campain funds really helped. I will watch out for that info in the future. Now, where can I find out that info? Do solid campaings post on their treads about having secured funds on escrow? How can we make surr? Forgive my naivess! I am a newbie trying to navigate the world of crypto without get caught in the flood of scamms!

why this scammers exist in our world ? we bounty hunters help them to sell their token in social medias and other campaign materials. then when ico is over they will run away and they will not send our allocated coins. hope admin will lessen this scammer icos because it is waste of time and effort to all bounty hunters.

There is always a risk that the bounty manager will not pay especially if the poster of it is a lower rank member. You have the option though to not participate in it if you think he is suspicious especially if he refuse to have an escrow. I have seen a campaign though that is run by a Jr. Member account before and then he has given red trust because he refuse to have an escrow but later on, he paid the participants even though it is after a month because that is the rule of the campaign. It is a campaign paid in bitcoin so many are suspicious about it why he would pay after a month but he fulfill his promise and the red trust is gone.

It is case to case basis and I have observed that some of the higher rank members immediately act when a newbie starts a campaign and so far some are caught red handed because of this so if someone knows something about the OP then he would just share it to warn others.

Your idea is very great. Escrow indeed is needed in every bounty to avoid scams. We should not let our efforts go to waste and we must act immediately. But, we must also be aware of the project we are applying for. This is the first step to evade those scam ICOs. Read also the whitepaper and do background checks about their team to know if their project has a sense.

Thanks for your suggestions guys, it seems like all of you are right. I think we really need to implement this to our forum's rule so that we can be able to monitor if we're going to lessen scam projects here in the forum.

Scammers exist because there are lot of lazy and selfish people. They only do everything just for themselves that is why I called them selfish, and lazy because these scam projects only relied to its participants to make advertisements about their project but eventually, they will just run away with the money. If they have no intention of paying their participants for advertising their project. Why don't they advertise their project with their own. What an annoying bunches of stupid people who only do frauds here. They must be eliminate in some way.

Yuph, sometimes we really can't  differentiate campaigns if they're scam or not. Because sometimes they are very promising and it attracts participants to join without hesitation. The only solution for suspicious campaigns is by having an escrow. Once a campaign is being escrowed, there is no chance for the campaign manager to scam its participants if the funds for payments is already handed to our trusted Escrows.

Thank you for the information. But I think it's not scam the word itself. Sites where the url doesn't have "s" or "secured" for example is http:// is commonly used for making phishing sites. This is a way of some hackers to steal someone's account or password. That's why we must be careful in browsing in internet too. There are a lot of these phising sites in the internet just waiting for victims. Just always remember "Think before you Click".

Indeed Sir.

Signature campaigns are not managed by the forums, so there shouldn't be a need for the forum staff to do anything to protect users from scam signature campaigns.

Nobody is forcing members to join campaigns, and I think the problem lies in the fundamental issue of people joining the forums (not just the campaigns) for the wrong reasons.

Your signature space is YOUR space. Signature campaigns pay you to utilize this space; a rental, if you will. The signature can be whatever they designate, and they pay you in return, but you, as a signature campaign participate, should at least personally endorse the space that you are renting. Just because they're promising to pay you for the space doesn't mean it's a necessity. I personally have only been part of signature campaigns where I have no problems endorsing the product. YoBit, Bitmixer, and now ChipMixer. I've used all of these services, so I have no problems with waving their flag in my signature spot.

With all of that said, if a company is not willing to escrow the funds for campaigns on the forums here, the participant/applicant is knowingly taking a risk by joining the campaign. How does this fall into the responsibility of the forum staff? Why should it? These are 3rd-party services and have nothing to do with the responsibilities and duties of forum staff members.

Do you want to avoid scams? It's pretty simple: If it looks like a scam and sounds like a scam, chances are that it is a scam. Walk away. Simple.

Hi Sir, I didn't mentioned in my thread that it was our forum's staffs responsibility. All I'm trying to say is, to somehow require an escrow to every campaigns made in >Services. Yes, you are right about our signature is a rental space and it is up to us if we are going to join in a suspicious campaign and we all knew that its risky but because we wanted to earn. We will be forced to join. But if you can notice, some campaigns are only made to scam people. They are fooling us for endorsing their project for free and there is nothing we can do to receive our payment once the campaign is done and no update for the payments. And I think the only solution for scam issues in campaigns is by having an escrow. This is not just to avoid people to get scam but this is to avoid scam projects too.

There are a lot of people scammed in the past, too many time has been wasted and I know you hate it too didn't you Sir? I know you hate scam projects too. You're just too lucky to have YoBit, Bitmixer and ChipMixer to be your company because the manager who handles those Campaigns are trusted Members of the forum. Also this idea will be favorable to campaign escrows hehe I guessed.

I know I asked too much for this idea. But I will be glad if you lend me some support :) I acknowledged you Sir.

That's exactly what your implications are, however, by requiring every campaign to hold escrow. Who would enforce this? By mandating an escrow for campaigns, you're having to rely on the forum staff to moderate this policy, which means it then becomes their responsibility to ensure that every campaign has [said] escrow. I know you've given this a lot of thought, but it's unnecessary to add more of a workload to the existing staff. It should be the responsibility of the user to do their due diligence when joining a campaign instead of just joining for the promise of a high payout.

All in all, this should be a non-issue for the staff; signature campaigns are not a feature of the forums. It's a third-party system that the forums just allow to happen.

The best way to have the forums enforce the avoidance of scams regarding campaigns? Ban the permissions to host campaigns and bounties altogether lol

Am of the opinion that the management of this forum should do a lot of authentication before allowing such signature campaign in the first place. Some of us don't even understand d what escrow means or how it work.

Most cranes are sharpened for some specific crypto currency, most often Bitcoin. With the development of the etherium in the general interest to it began to appear the same cranes of the etherium cranes kriptovalyut very many half of them close quickly without paying anything.

Yeah i like your thread. There are so many ICO out there.
if we don't want to got scammed, we must learn how to avoid it, and choose the right ICO to invest.

fully support your thought

This is a very good idea for sure. I've come across many seemingly scam campaigns but I've missed a lot of good ones also because they do not have escrowed funds. Participating in signature campaigns is not easy. Imagine how one feels if he doesn't get paid for the work done.

I think this condition should be made compulsory for all the bounty campaigns.

you ca hire an escrow from bounty campaign managers who accepts tokens in any kind,they are well trusted in this field so many users my safe in scamming,because if they dont well losing their ti

Yeah, that feeling when a campaign promised to pay but eventually they will just run away. I'm very picky when it comes to campaigns, before I fully join, I laways investigate the background of the manager(I only investigate when the campaign don't want to hire Escrow, because it's suspicious) if he/she is trusted. Then when I'm satisfied, I will join it. But, unfortunately, sometimes I still get scammed. It is really difficult to trust someone and It is not good to be scammed. This is the only solution I think we can come up.

Well I do believe that we should always take a look not just about how the campaign is being managed, but also about the project itself. When you join a campaign you are not just getting some coins for renting your sig space. You are actually advertising and supporting that campaign, and you must understand that it is your responsibility to choose what you will advertise. If users did that more often, then we would get less and less scammers out there.

I'm sure trusted managers do this as well, so the probability of advertising a scam campaign decreases a lot if you only apply to campaigns run by trusted managers, but you should also do your work as well. And when renting your sig, you work is not just posting. I strongly believe you need to know what you are advertising. I mean if you don't, you can't even do a good job, because you can't advertise a campaign if you know nothing about the project behind it.

I absolutely agree with you. There are too many ICOs and other different projects right now. All of them want to advertise themselves. But they also very often turns out to be a scam. We need to read about the project and understand its purpose, if we want to participate in a signature or bounty campaigns, first of all, to protect ourrself. And of course, this must be done, to protect others from fraudulent projects. I do not always know whether it's a true or scam project, so I look at the profiles of those who participate in it. But if the honored participants of the forum advertise scam projects, the newcomers will look at them and they will participate in such projects too. I believe that we should fight together against such scam projects.

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