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We don't really care about credentials - it's collateral we want.

Would you be willing to transfer those shares to an escrow until the loan is paid back?

Yes I am willing but the share transfer would not be completed by that time -_-. Besides playing the arb. between BTCT and Bitfunder would pay off the whole loan :).

For this deal to work, your shares need to be escrowed either by 3rd party, or by the company who issued the shares.

10 BTC is alot of money.

The biggest hurdle for me is you are in the Philippines. Even if you signed an agreement I would not be familiar with collecting in that country, as I am based in the United States.

Docs do not do much if you are out of jurisdiction.

What is your purpose for the loan?

I agree with you. I wish I had a longer time frame fr the request or if the shares were on a PT so I could just issue a transfer of shares. But I cannot.

I am honest but I do realize that words are meaningless here. I am offering credentials, proof that I can pay back the loan easily. And if you want a friendly skype video chat (some people can steal such credentials, a video chat would proof I am the actual person in the pics.). Also you could ask around about me from the people I have dealt way more then this amount. Like Jutarul, DM90, shawshankinmate37927, TAT, John K. and others.

I wish I could provide more but this is what in hand at the moment. I wish I needed this loan at better times where I could wait for friedcat to do the transfer to the escrow and back from the escrow within the repayment time frame. But if I could wait that long I wouldn't be needing a loan would I :).

Thank you all for the interest and I understand if you prefer not to loan me. If you decided to do so I thank you twice, thrice and many times.

- Lophie


EDIT: If any of you is comfortable with the information I am offering but thinks the amount is too high for that. Please tell me the amount you are comfortable with. Thank you.

What do you need that loan for ?
How do you plan on repaying ?

About the AM shares:
- Send a pm to FC - with loaner and John K in c/c, explaining you give John the right to claim x shares, and you're not allowed to transfer any share until this is over.
- If you default, John can just then claim the shares from you and pass them to loaner.

That'd work as a collateral for me, I just don't have the 10BTC right now. :-\

The loan is for paying for unexpected family emergency expenses. I plan to repay it with the dividends from ASICMINER shares accumulating from Friday the 27th, Oct 4th and 11th, plus selling a few shares just enough to complement up to 10BTC.

I intend on lowering the amount and the time frame if that would make a lender more comfortable. I will change the OP.

OP changed to half the amount for a week less time frame. Hopefully it would make lenders more comfortable regarding the information offered.

Send a PM (To John. K, friedcat, and me), stating you allow John K. to seize - through a simple pm to FC - 20 direct shares from you until John releases you through a PM to FC. Just in case you would default.

In that PM, you must ask FC to freeze all your shares (no transfer at all) until John either seizes 20 shares or releases the lock.
If you do that, and agree to repay BTC5.5, which will mostly used to tip FC and John for the hassle, then I can cover.

That proposition is bound to John agreement, so I'd need a pm or a post here stating he's ok for this, before, which I let you handle.

Sounds good but it would need far more than 24 hours for F.C.'s reply.

If you send a message signed with date, context and nickname, using the address you receive divs on, I'll consider not waiting for FC reply.
I'll just bet on the fact you won't sell all those shares to scam for 5BTC.
Still need my first requirements to be covered, though.

I am sorry I got a response from Andrew Williams first and I completed my part of the contract. I also promised to post it here for the public eyes. If he fails to deliver the 5 BTC as stated in the contract I will contact you. Thank you.

Hahaha... Ok.
If he sends you 5BTC, consider not repaying. ;D

Hello :)

Any reason you are telling my borrower to steal from me?

Not forfeiting my shares  >:(. And  I am an honest person  >:(.

Because you will sell or fraudulently use the personal information you received in the future?

Stop spamming other people's threads. I will deal with you on the thread you made.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=299109.msg3206891#msg3206891p (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=299109.msg3206891#msg3206891p)

You're a hypocrite.  You've been attacking me on every thread I have posted in today.   ::)

hi, in my opinion, i think lophie is a trustworthy person.  just some weeks back, he's selling lots of btc.  maybe he just bought in all asicminer shares his btc can, that's why he's out of btc.  i'm in the philippines too.  i hope i can provide the loan, but i don't understand how fast can transfer of asicminer directshare be done.  lophie, have you sold out all your bitcoins?

regards
   

Hello ^_^. Yes you are correct. I am bullish enough in ASICMINER that I believe in a period of three weeks I will get more BTC with a few shares than 6BTC, whether if I sold them now they would not even be 4 BTC. (Just a couple of them). So since I need the money taking a loan with 20% interest is cheaper than selling ASICMINER shares that net those 5 BTC.

Only time would tell. And it is not a grave gamble I can handle the amount easily. BTW if you are in the philippines as well (I am a foreigner btw >_<) watch the pilipinas thread closely I am releasing a nice free SMS service in the next couple of days. Kinda cool.

- Lophie

Congrats Bitcoin community. Another scammer exposed.  ::). Just stole a photocopy of my passport. no coins though  :D. So I am pretty much okay with it  ;).

Rule #3 on How to spot a Scammer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119896.0):

Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name

It would be nice if you messaged me before leaping to conclusions.

Please read your PM.

I am not an identity thief, so please don't pile on to other trigger happy people, thanks.

Also, I do not think someone would be able to steal an identity with a passport pic....




Tomato, thanks for the advisory, but you can check I am definitely not a scammer. I have lent to two people in the last week on here successfully.
If you would like, I can PM you the threads and their names.



The person that left me a neg feedback is Vod. He has been a thorn in my side accusing me of identity theft with no proof. The borrower whose thread he started trouble on, i3lome, even refuted Vod claims. The loan was made to i3lome successfully. I took the risk with no collateral in that case, and using only a contract and ID.

The lastest trouble Vod has caused is accusing me of asking for social security numbers. He claimed that he had a text from another member saying I asked for their social security number. I called him out on it. I have never, ever asked anyone for a social, and Mods are free to check all my PM's ingoing and out. Once he realized that he was busted on his lie he locked the thread he created to smear me. So again, no one I have dealt with has ever said I have stolen identities. This is a lie by Vod, who has no proof of anything of the sort.


Tomato, Theymos, you can check and see I have NEVER asked for social security numbers. I do not know why Vod has gone to such great lengths to smear me, but his claims are unfounded. My only goal as a member on here is to loan and make a small profit. That's it. I don't care about people's ID info. It's used as security and that's it.

Good on you Lophie for figuring it out.  You're not the first person to notice it.

If you wouldn't mind, could you please confirm that in no way did I ask or encourage you to make this post, or change the title of your thread.  I haven't even ever sent you a PM.  I have been at a remote acreage all day.  :)  

Don't pat yourself on the back yet, Vod you liar.

You have no proof and have accused me of identity theft and asking for social security numbers for the past couple days with no proof. You are nothing more than a lying troll.

YOU STILL HAVE NOT PRODUCED THE PM YOU CLAIM TO HAVE YOU SAY THAT SHOWS I ASKED FOR A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.

I WELCOME MODS TO CHECK YOUR PM's AND SHOW YOU ARE FULL OF IT.

VOD HAS PUT ME ON IGNORE EVER SINCE I CALLED HIM OUT ON PRODUCING PROOF, THE SO-CALLED PM HE SAYS HE HAS.

THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE TO YOUR ACCUSATIONS, AND ALL YOU ARE DOING IS FEAR MONGORING. I CAN THANK YOU FOR SCARING LOPHIE INTO MAKING A RASH POST INSTEAD OF CALMLY WAITING FOR THE LOAN.

THE LOAN THREAD YOU CITED WAS SUCCESSFULLY FUNDED BY ME. THERE IS NO SCAM. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE YELLING SCAM OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND YOU DO IT BASED ON WHIMS, NOT EVIDENCE.
 

Hmmm Lophie, you may want to consider locking the thread too, or else A.Williams is going to use it as yet another canvas for his delusions.  I have him on ignore so I won't ever respond to him, but I'm sure the community is getting sick of all the BS he spews in EVERY THREAD.   :(

You should let Lophie decide for himself instead of trying to bait him like you did with other members on here.

You would love him to lock the thread because you know I am right, that this was a misunderstanding caused by YOUR fear mongering and baseless neg feedback.

You tried the same thing with the loan I made to i3lome, but in that case, i3lome didn't fall for your lies. I was a day or two late delivering the loan to him, but that is based on my newness to Bitcoin and in making transfers. His loan was funded despite all your attempts at derailing it.
..


Lophie, I've messaged you. It's 7 PM here Pacific Time, I know your time zone it's already Monday but, message me when you're back on.

To reiterate, Vod tried the same scare tactic that relied on his neg feedback in i3lome's thread. If you read the thread you can see I successfully funded i3lome. Yes I was a day late, but you can cough that up to me being new to Bitcoin and the learning curve involved.

i3lome's Loan Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294472.msg3201870#msg3201870

My trackrecord:
i3lome: Successfully funded. Done without collateral, used contract and ID.
russianbusinesman: Successfully funded. Done with collateral, and ID.

Those are the only two loans I have funded. Both borrowers are happy from what I can tell. I have never entered into any other loan with anybody else.

So sorry I am technically late in funding you loan, but being a day late does not mean I am scamming you. Thanks for reading, I hope to hear back from you.

I just want to clear some stuff up.  

The accusations placed on AndrewWilliams are completely false.  Vod has invented these accusations and is using his "Trust" to bully users.

He is purposely interpreting things to fit his agenda. I am the guy that Vod is saying that was Asked for my Social Security Number and other documents that will be used to steal my identity.

This is False- Was never asked for my  SSN, I didn't provide documents to prove I am who I said and my address was where I said it was. In fact many of the Bitcoin Users- provide BTCjam with more information then I had too.

I feel safe with him having my information. There was never and shady business involved. He was direct and to the point.  

Also I received the 4BTC Loan without problems from AndrewWilliams.


Vod has been the only issue.

It makes No sense, Vod give a Lender Negative Feedback that has provided proof that money was being lent. RussianBussiness received a loan before I did, also confirmed he receive the loan on that thread.

Vod is completely unreasonable and out of line, the negative feedback is being held as some sort of ransom, asking for someone to call him to prove themselves.

I can see if I asked my lawyer to contact a random person on the internet to prove they are real. He would laugh, Vod you are not the site owner, you are not a lender. SO why anyone would need to prove something to a person not involved is just stupid.

You just make posts to make yourself feel important and when people don't agree with you post negative feedback, using Senior Members trust in you, to ruin their experience on the forum. Just like Mlawrence used to, had sometype of complex. Would make sense if he was you, Vod - "Virtual God"

Can any mods confirm that he did or did not asked for SSN?

I think that's a pretty serious false accusation of Vod. And with your "Trust", such actions weights even heavier.

If you really made up that accusation of him asking for SSN than you actually did something that is not trustworthy.

Why would you say something like that unless you are really abusing your "Trust"?
Everybody should negative rep you Vod for randomly accusing people with imaginary actions!

The way you gave me negative feedback makes me look I already scammed someone, though we never did any transactions and I did no transactions at all with anyone on this forum.
It looks like you live by  "Guilty until proven innocence". How can I scam someone when I want to loan using Paypal with buyers protection? I never asked to loan bitcoins here.

Now if I was you, then I already gave you a negative rep withouth warning because you falsely accused someone for asking SSN even though I'm not sure if it's true or not. Think about that.

From what I see, you can give negative rep to anyone you think is a scammer, you don't need to have risked anything, you don't need to have spoken the person. You can just negative rep someone withouth asking.

Vod thinks his "job" is to spot scammers before they attack, you know like in Minority Report. He thinks his intuition is always true. He thinks it gives him reps by spotting scammers (even though not all of them are scammers).
He doesn't care if it's not a scammer, if it's a newbie, its almost 100% a scammer and he thinks he gets meaningful reps  by claiming to have spot one. This is the only place he thinks he has reputation because in real life he probably has nothing.


I was really thinking you are just protective to this community but now I just think you are abusing your trust and smearing people you don't like when they confront you in conversations.

Whoa.  I don't know what Andrew Williams offered you, but I never said you were the guy who reported that.  You're making a story up and obviously untrustworthy.   >:(

Good post BitcoinLeader, I am glad others are standing up to this bully.

In all honesty, I never, ever would ask someone for their social security number. It is just not true.

I have called out on Vod several times to produce proof. He ignores me, locks his thread he made to defame me, and goes on spamming that I am a scammer with no proof, even having been refuted with evidence to the contrary. Namely successfully funded loans, in which I bear the enormity of the risk.

I am reaching out to the Mods to put Vod's lie to rest.

Also, I would not put it past Vod to use a sockpuppet account to send himself a PM saying I requested a social security number. When I laid it out in the open, that he would be found out by the Mods if he indeed tried this, since there would be no correlating PM from me to the sock puppet account, he responded in anger, locking the thread.



To make it perfectly clear: I already understand that the goal is to stop scammers before they scam, not only giving neg feedback after a scam has occurred. But it is a clear abuse of power in Vod's case, especially when making up the lie that I am asking for socials and bank info, when that is 100% untrue. If Vod needs to go to the lengths of making up things to strengthen his claim of a scam, he is going about this in the wrong fashion.

Oh no.  Another scammer calling me out.  Is AndrewWilliams going through my profile and messaging everyone I have scammer tagged?  What he offer to give you?   ::)

You are a scammer BitcoinLeader - everyone knows that.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=296512.0

BTW - I noticed you started up your reputation scam on btcjam again - despite promising me you would stop.   ;)
https://btcjam.com/users/6971

Looks like AndrewWillaims will be supporting the scammers to attack me.  Oh well.

Wow, it doesn't stop.

I did not offer BitcoinLeader anything, nor did I contact him and tell him to post anything prior to his post. He did so on his own accord. Again, Mods are free to check my account inside out.

Vod, again, shoots first and asks questions later. It took about 2 seconds for Vod to throw BitcoinLeader under the bus and brand him as untrustworthy.

The truth is Vod is abusing his power. Plain and simple. This is not a good way to interact with forum members who seek to grow the community.

[UPDATE]
Now Vod is accusing BitcoinLeader of requesting a reputation scam loan, when Vod made a reputation loan himself today! Vod just want to trash newbies reputation before even giving them a chance! BitcoinLeader closed his own thread on his OWN volution admitting he was oblivious to the fact that it's frowned upon for a newbie to request large loans, yet Vod keeps the bad feedback on him and continues to trash him, including on this thread!

 

Posting the link to Vod's reputation loan he made, which he so despises.

Just look how he actually say I'm the scammer, withouth proof. Did anyone give me negative trust about I scammed someone?

No it's Blob, I mean Vod  who think's he is has a Jedi mind.

Vod is a scammer, he scams people into thinkin innocent people are scammers everybody knows that, by reading that topic.

Now I understand why you always say "You might wanna lock up that thread" because that's what you say when you feel you it's turning against you and it will damage your reputation.

You're just making things up. How can you scam people when sending money using Paypal? Are you saying people can bypass the Paypal Dispute? You're talking nonsense, I will be determined to become a hero member and my Negative will show up turning you red mister Vod. So will other people's negative rep come for you.

Don't think you can abuse your Trust Vod, because your actions will work against you. People are determined to bring you DOWN harder than you are trying to smear them. Mark my words.

You have at least 3 people against you. Who knows how many more there will be. Karma is a bitch that's why I don't scam. And that's why you will be punished.

Hi guys. Just came back home. Of course I have to explain myself I don't want to misjudge people.

You all were here ever since I posted the loan request you all read the escalation of discussion of my information, proof of funds and collateral. So lets move from there.

Andrew, Disagreeing with Vod does not make you innocent but again does not make you guilty. Please understand that all of us here understand this. This is Bitcoin world and it is full of FUD.

But the accusations from Vod are real and they described you as an identity thief and described your pattern of behaviour which you cannot deny that you followed it to the letter today.

Finding a person requesting a loan showing intention of willingness to fund that loan and after the "alleged" victim gives their personal information, communication ceases.

(I have to point here that Andrew asked specific questions and did the due diligence regarding my collateral which is too much for just a scammer. This must be noted.)

Now if you kindly explain to us why we should not think that this is the case. May you please enlighten us after all the communications yesterday and agreements, sending of personal information and you finalizing everything with "The bitcoins will be there by tomorrow morning.". Why did you not either send the Bitcoins or PM/post anything regarding the delay.

Now assuming that indeed you had an issue that made you unable to either send the loan or post about the delay. Why did you accept this time constrained loan request if you knew you cannot fulfil it in time? Do you know that this lending market is full of people who are willing to lend me and others for even less interest than you? Yes I willingly jumped waiting for all of them because I was indeed under a time constraint and yes I accepted a 20% interest rate now I could not pay for the family expenses because you did not let someone else take the deal when you knew you cannot fulfil it on time. I hope you can see the extend of how unreliable "as a lender for a time constrained loan" you are.

I am sorry if the thread new subject offends you and I am willing to change it as we discuss what happened with you. I apologize my eyes only see what is in front of them please tell us about what is on the background. Tell us what exactly happened.

I also checked my PM. If what happened was not exactly as Vod's post accused pattern of yours. I wouldn't have posted what I posted. I am sorry and please tell us your side of the story. Thank you.

Bitcoinleader, you have negative feedback because you are pulling a long con.  You cannot deny it.
https://btcjam.com/users/6971

Yes, there are three people against me.

AndrewWilliams - scammer
Bitcoinleader - scammer
i3lome - not sure why this user attacked me, but he obviously posted a lie.  I said the identity of the person who sent me the info will remain anonymous.  Nowhere will you find my mentioning i3lome at all.  Lying about me makes me not trust you, so justifiable negative rep given.

Three against me.  Dozens in support.  I have never been wrong about a scammer yet.

I confirm that Vod did not ask me nor encouraged me to post what I posted. However he indeed sent me a PM yesterday but to be fair he did not bash Andrew at all he just suggested I notice the trust feedback he has. I don't know if you forgot about it Vod but you did.

Whoops!  So I did!  Sorry!   :-[

you were pretty undescriptive in your critique of me. i'm not against you, i agree andrew and bcleader are scammers, but i3lome seems to have legitimate critique. You seem to run around the forum tagging people with little proof. its troubling how you have gained default feedback status, since you don't even make thorough inquiries, you just read, decide and act. you need to talk to people like tradefortress and theymos before you go randomly tagging to your hearts content.

Dude - you admitted to scamming people.  How much more proof do I need?   :-\
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231217.msg3175360#msg3175360

i3lome did seem to be legit to me as well - I'm not sure why he'd make up the story that HE send me pms about SSN.  I never claimed he did.  I assume his business relationship with AW probably had something to do with it.

Anyway, I wonder how many more scammer tagged users are going to make an appearance in this thread.  Almost like someone is going through my trust list like an address book.  Oh well, scammers will stick together. :-\

You should face it that you just totally miss the point.

Reputation loans are quite normal at BTCjam.
Users without reputation loans are actually rare, I saw just 1 of them.

On the contrary, reputations loans are not normal here because BitcoinTalk has no:
- ID verification
- Address verification
- Phone verification
- Paypal verification
- Credit score verification
- Social networks verification

Here's my score:
C+
Identity verified:    yes    Phone verified:    yes
Address verified:    yes    Credit score verified:    yes
PayPal verified:    yes    Social Networks: yes

I and other people can easily pay off a $1000k loan but I use the leverage to make $1500.
That's the whole point of a site like BTCjam. Some people take the risk for the leverage, some are happy with minimum margin.

So before you accuse people of being scammer. Look in the mirror and ask if yourself If you was a newbie, would you like to have a chance to prove yourself?

Hello Lophie,

Because I understand how it looks because of Vod's accusation (made before your thread was started), I go into great detail about how he has lied about me. I will spare you multiple readings:

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98684.msg3214203#msg3214203
It breaks down, lie by lie, every falsehood Vod has accused me of, including attacking my Christian religion.

Vod posted that in my trust profile to do exactly that, scare away borrowers. If he hadn't lied and defamed me like that, you probably would have PM'ed me, I would have responded and that's it.

I was taken aback you accused me of scamming you when I did nothing to you Lophie. A PM would have sufficed. But again, I have taken into account the way Vod's lies make me look.

As I posted earlier, I am new to Bitcoin. I have yet to master it by any means. I was caught off guard because the date you expected it was a Sunday, and my main source for getting Bitcoin had reached their maximum output on LocalBitcoins.com. I tried doing it through another lenders but they were cash only, not online transfer. All banks are closed on Sunday in USA, so I was unable to pull it off. Sorry for the delay, I honestly did not aim to do it on purpose. In fact I tried to make sure it would happen today but got blindsided by the learning curve using LocalBitcoins.com.

As of now, I have 1.89 BTC in my wallet, if that helps I can send now, and the rest tomorrow when the bank is open (and I can get my supply of Bitcoin through LocalBitcoins.com). Again sorry, if you don't want to proceed I understand. Otherwise I can lend you the 1.89 now to show good faith, and the rest tomorrow. Or if you prefer we can call it off. Just know I am not a scammer and have nothing to hide. The two loans I have funded speak for themselves.

Man.  You KNOW why you were scammer tagged.  It was partly because of the BTCJam loans and partly because you were looking for a loan of up to $20,000 and offering a 500% APR

You took down the loan requests.  I told you that didn't immediately remove the distrust, but I would remove it in a couple months.  You agreed, told me you would stop the reputation loans, and locked the thread.   But you have started the loans up again!   :-[  And attacking me here supporting an identity thief does not help me trust you either!

Here it all is:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=296512.msg3204648#msg3204648

thats bullshit though, everything you just wrote. all this happened when i first showed up, i was broke and wanted to take the fast route to getting rich and got caught. after i stuck around here and started making money programming and mining+trading altcoins(ie making legitimate money) i felt it was probably necessary to go ahead and admit to bdub he was right and caught me fair and square. i didn't think it would cause such a shitstorm, i mean...honestly i'm not running around scamming anymore, i've got bigger fish to fry? can't a dude get a second chance? i'm not sticking up for either one of these shitty scammers, their game is obvious, and further more i resent that you would lump me into a group with them. i read this thread because i have respect for lophie, nothing to do with you.

In light of this revelation of information. I changed the whole post once more. I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

Andrew, a personal advise, Do not lean like this man! What if all this is a scam I organized with Vod? would you send 1.8BTC on "good faith" even though the agreement is clearly saying I don't owe you anything if 5 BTC were not sent on the 22nd O_o? this is Bitcoin land and you felt comfortable after doing the due diligence and getting the signed message that any one can confirm. Why would you risk me stealing the coins now? This defeats the whole purpose :S.

- Lophie

I would stop reputation loans here yes because here is a sticky. And as I state in my previous post, reputation loans are perfectly normal at BTCjam so I did start again and you weren't gonna remove my negative rep directly, only after a few hundreds post (are you kidding me).



@Lophie,
How much do you need after Andrew can loan you? I'll be willing to put up the rest you need, but it will be using paypal, are you ok with that?

Whoa - this was just sent to me.

I have never taken out any reputation loans.  AW is a liar.  He didn't provide a link, and one will not be provided, so we'll just write this one off as a delusion, much  like believing an old man collected two of every animal in a large boat.   :)

:'), I love you too man.

See?  Why are you taking out loans and paying high interest if you have bitcoins to loan yourself?    ::)
https://btcjam.com/users/6971

It's up to you. I'm trying to create a good situation out of one that he tried to sabotage.

I'm a very honest person and similarly I believe I can spot other honest people by the way they conduct themselves. If you are generous enough to see past my delay in funding and accept a payment tomorrow, I would be most appreciative.

Why shouldn't I ? It's all about reputation dude and track record.

If I can pull off a $1000 loan, invest it, double it and I pay it back, what do you think my reputation will be? It's worth more than scamming a $1000. You dont' get it. You just think I will scam for $1000. I have 5 figures networth I dont need to scam.  I don't need a loan to pay off things or fix problems, I use it for leverage to increase my revenue.

You should learn about liquidity, leverage and cash flow then you know why I can pay high interest and why I loan others. You get what you give.

You seem like a nice guy on your linkedin, you look like Dwayne Johnson (The Rock). But here you act like your avatar like a total douche.
I know you saw my linkedin too, does it look like I need to scam people off loans?

Fixed that for ya.   ;)

I didn't say YOU took it out, I said you MADE one. As in made one to another member.

Ah ... yes.. that.

It's very hypocritical of you to bash other forum members for doing reputation loans, when you yourself get involved in them as a lender.
Par for the course with your history of defaming people. Leave the Bible out of this, you've blasphemed enough.

My receiving negative feedback from Vod is proof he is casting a stone with no evidence.

Please Make your own decision, here is the thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294472.0


Vods whole complaint about AndrewWilliams is soley based on me being scammed.

I was never scammed, that thread is proof.

I posted a loan request, Vod denies it, then warns AndrewWilliams to be carefully cause he can be scammed.

I replied, to Vod cause he wanted to nose in and be an ass, that If your gonna warn Lenders you need to warn the borrowers.

So Vod told me to "Watch what I sent him"

That should have been the end on Vods involvement.

Me and Andrew continued talks on the loan, Andrew said he had a friend look over our contract and needed stuff added. He just got a second opinion which makes good sense.

Vod chimed in sayin our contract would never hold up in court...cause intrest rates. (Vod has never seen the contract or terms)

Andrew said he friend believed it would.

Vod wanted to know how his friend could make that decision

Andrew- friend happened to be a lawyer.

All Vod seen was lawyer and demanded Andrews friend call Vod from the Law firm prove himself.

Andrew was just showed Vod why he believed in his buddy. Weather lawyer, mom, preist, sister, or the pope it is a trusted friend that gave him advice.

My Contact with Andrew never involved no legal jargon or anything like Vod is conveying,  

Andrew is only guilty of giving people a chance on a loan.  He risked 4 Btc on my name address and phone number. All which you can get online.
Now he is being crucified for helping those who would never get a glance from Senior Members.

Vod- left me feedback saying I made up a story, when people go look for themselves everyone will see you made up the story, Just like you saying I was payed off to explain what happen another lie to cover the truth.

I received the loan I asked for, I haven't been scammed and that thread above shows your accusations are bogus, I don't need to be payed to tell what really happend

Ah, so you were just being deceitful hoping other users would think I took out a reputation loan myself.  Par for your behavior, scammer.

I have never lent to any reputation loan.  Is this an outright lie, or are you being deceitful again?   ::)

It's not blasphemy to post common sense AW.  Virgins can't get pregnant either.  Mary was just a big ol slut who had an affair and never admitted it.  ;)

Nope.  You made up a story about me.  Makes you untrustworthy to me.

I agree that it was wrong the way I handled your thread, but that doesn't give you the right to post a lie about me, no matter what AW told or offered you.

I never claimed anywhere it was you who sent me the warning about the SSN.  You said I did.  That makes you a liar.  

He can't be taken serious. Any BTCjam user knows reputation loans are common and users withouth them are rare. If he calls my listing a reputation scam, he's basically saying 80% of the BTCjam listings are reputation scams.

Or maybe that's how he actually thinks of it, that's why his Credit Rating is D.

Btw Vod I'm not supporting Andrew about that ID thief, to judge that I should read all the topics and I haven't got time to read it all, unlike you judging over 2 posts.

Convenient that person asked for the social is anonymous? So it never happened. if you had proof you wouldn't be handing out Negative Feedback like Herpes.

They asked me not to reveal their name.  AW will post negative rep on their account.

I am gonna go get popcorn. Vod if the above is true and that story is your basis to bash Andrew you are clearly a douche...... sorry....

Im the person that supposedly got scammed right, this whole accusation is base around my 4 Btc loan. How did I make up the story when it was my loan

Agreed.   :)

You were being deliberately vague, hoping people would associate "made" with "took" and now you are arguing semantics.   ::)

Speaking of difficulty with the english language, did you ever look up the definition of the word "cult"?  lol

I am tempted to change the thread subject to "Vod VS Andrew, Round one.... FIGHT!"   :D.

Vod- just a bully blindly over looks fact to twist to fit his motives.

I would still like to see the Victim in said scam, your a long time member and scam advocate.

So provide the proof of what happened.

Why does Vod leave positive feedback on the profile of Blazr, and negative feedback of r3wt? did you think we wouldn't notice? check the signature: We Do Not Forget

Nah, this is over.

I've worked too hard on my account for this.  Arguing over semantics is making all sides look like idiots.  AW is usinga throw away account, so he doesn't care.  My account matters.  I'll be the bigger man and walk away.  I'll still be here long after AW has scammed and moved on.  

Since I'm forced to mention this (because AW will suggest it), my leaving the discussion is not any kind of admittance of wrong doing. I've always been on the level.  I'm just done arguing with someone who doesn't have a moral compass - nothing he does in this life matters because he believes in sky fairies and he has an external life afterward in heaven, watching me burn in hell.     ;)  



You certainly did.  I should be labelled a scammer for associating "took out" and "made".  My bad.  Feedback edited to remain 100% truthful.  

See ya later, scammer.

You're making up stories again. Where did you see me saying that I would stop reputation loans?

Vod, you are a liar! Stop lying about things I never said and things I never do
1. Stop accuse me of being a scammer when I want to loan with Paypal (one does not simply scam Paypal Dispute)
2. Stop accuse me of reputation scams at BTCjam (When 80% of the listings are reputation loans) while I have all possible verifications and a C+ rating.

WTF does "made a reputation loan" mean? Either you give a loan, or you receive a loan. So yes, Vod is right; it was vague.

Well for me personally I wouldn't even trust theymos but it is not the person it is the fact that honest people would prefer to give assurance to comfort the other side of any kind of deals and not just being proud and egoistic about their apparent image.

From where I see it Vod you care about the image more. I would suggest you cool down a bit and take it easy especially when you are a third party to a deal or just an observer. You are generally bashing people too much it is not healthy.

I admire and respect your helpfulness and caring nature about other people not to get scammed but I think you are at the edge between that and being simply the person who bashes everyone for the slightest of reasons.

I am sorry if you disagree. I am sorry I am probably wrong. I just wanted to be constructive.

Amen

agreed, however this is more of a turf war than anything else.

In the English language, it is said: "I made a loan to Sally. Sally received a loan from me."

If I wanted to say that, I would have just said "Vod took out a loan." But again, I have no reason for that.

I'm sorry if you think it's vague, I can assure you it was not my intention. I respect you based on your character reflected in the posts you have made, so I am not too proud to say I am sorry in that regard.

:)

Ah, ok. I'm guessing it's a regional thing (ie. "Coke" vs. "soda" vs. "pop"). I usually hear it as "I loaned to Sally" or "Sally loaned to me".

Again. The thread was changed according to the current conversation.  sincerly felt it must be changed not to affect Andrew's reputation with something he honestly did not expect (>_> even though I still think it was obviously unreliable way to ensure access to liquidity.)

I don't see why this has gotten blown way out of proportion

AndrewWilliam- Filled my loan Request

https://blockchain.info/address/1H7E7YqMoWQZsUCumbvyASYJzpnz3dudaB

Im the guy supposedly getting scammed, Vod wont confirm or give this "anonymous" user that has complained

Forgive me if Im wrong but,
If Andrew was trying to scam me he did it wrong. To be scam someone you don't send the bitcoins, right?

I personally think Vod has some past issues with the Lending Section, maybe a failed transaction or not being able to get a loan himself. This made him bitter so he uses the Trust System to stop and Loan that he don't want to happen. Sometimes he probably does stop a scam but how many times has he stopped Legit Transactions.

I don't think it was personal in the beginning just a user with control issues.

Worked hard you have. It's crystal clear, Vod is the one antagonizing people, and posting outright lies about people, myself included.
I am not using a throw away account. Stop making things up.

IF I DIDN'T CARE, I WOULDN'T BOTHER TO POST, AND SHOW HOW YOU ARE LYING.
However, I have seen you manufacture lies about me, and do it to others too. Stop it. Just stop.

I have a great job, and honestly, you have wasted way too much of my time by you unfounded accusations. I'm not the only one you have painted with a broad brush.
My wife has been giving me looks as I angrily enthusiastically bang on my keyboard replying to all these posts, LOL, so I am eager to move on from this.

And, I'm going to end it on this note: You can insult Jesus Christ and Christianity as much as you want, all it does is make my faith stronger. Goodnight.

i3lome, BitcoinLeader, TamatoCage, and of course Lophie, thank you for your input and honesty.

TamatoCage, please kindly ask Vod to take off the neg feedback on my borrower i3lome. He didn't do anything wrong. All he did was stick up for me, and I guess Vod is angry about that. Also, I have offered and stand by my offer of a cease-fire, and to remove the neg feedback on Vod if he removes it on me.

Vod is usually pretty cool about things, but there's so many scammers on this forum that it's really easy to get into the "fuck it, EVERYBODY is a scammer" frame of mind. I know I get that way sometimes, but sometimes our scammer-sense needs the occasional recalibrating.

Just recievd my Vod extortion letter

 :D lol back in college some new kid banned me from my own team speak server that I transferred to a freshman because I was about graduating. I fried the TeamSpeak server remotely and DDoSed the whole network denying them any gaming server for all the games the students used to play on the LAN for a whole weekend.

I indeed had control issues.........  :-[. I am glad I am not that guy any more.......

lol, I used to be like that too. I guess that's why its easy to spot

I am locking the thread and deleting it very soon. Gentlemen this is not a discussion anymore and people are getting offended by me and the others. I cannot let that happen.

I am sorry if I upset any one here.

- Lophie