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DPR is a champion for freedom !!!

To those of you turning your back on him, you are no friend of liberty and no friend of mine.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3905        supposedly this is his profile let him know where you stand. 

 

  

You spelled "champion of murder" wrong. HTH.

The so called murder is eh... scum kill scum.

I highly doubt it happened tho.

To protect truly innocent people he made a threat.

Fuck you!

He was the one of the most wanted men in the world running the most hated website on the internet. He wasn't stupid. 

+1

He lasted a *long* time at level of scrutiny. Either he was extremely careful, or he was a plant. I seriously doubt it was the latter.

He was stupid enough to set up an interview with the most surveilled newspaper in the world for the express purpose of bragging how he can't be caught.

Hero's hire people to kill people?

The guy was threatening to release the info for 8000 people. Those people would have had their lives ruined by LE. If I was at risk of 10+ years in jail for a victimless crime because of the deliberate actions of an asshole motivated by money, then I would not mind someone assassinating that person.

But it's not so morally easy since the guy had kids, and drug debts. But he was blackmailing with the threat of many people's lives at stake.

I am pretty sure the blackmailer was the same person as the assassain

Hero selflessly protecting people he had never meet, probably an empty threat.    

Quoting this for my files.  8)

The guy who got killed was a liability to many SR users and was asking DPR for money otherwise he would put thousands of peoples freedom at risk.,

If he really did get taken care off then, unlucky I will not lose any sleep over someone who got killed.

If he really did have 3 kids and a wife well, I feel bad that they had a fool as a farther and husband

What could DPR do in that situation, pay him off and then get hundreds of people asking for bribes or kill the problem, personally 99.9 of us wouldn't have the guts to kill the problem for good including myself.

Or it was either LE trying to gather information or a group of scammers who worked together one being the so called "Hitman" and his friend the so called blackmailer and they set the whole thing up to scam DPR out of his Bitcoin by providing fake photographs of the so called assassination.

Or it's a load of bollocks all together, who knows?

We all make stupid mistakes (drug debts), and do bad things not motivated by greed (motivated by loved ones).

Yes, but it's different if you just want the money to buy a yacht vs if you want the money to pay off some drug lord to protect your wife and kids from harm. 8000 random lives imprisoned or keeping your family alive.

How do You know that he is the right guy ?
Do You believe FBI ? Don;t You watching movies??

Today is a sad day, I will pay my respect.

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Can anyone provide me with proof of a murder, not allegations?  I was under the impression people were treated as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

"Solicitation of murder-for-hire", no actually murder has been accused.

You don't think that this is all FBI and Media B.S. right now?

There is something amiss about the entire thing.

DPR is a visionary and trend setter. His frugal existence show his motives as an ideologue. You can't imprison an idea. Long live the Silk Road.

+ 1 million.     Lived in a apartment with roommates. It was never about the money. I will be donating to his legal fund.

Living with others might of been part of how he got caught as well.

I belive they are saying this in order to "spice" things up for the media and for people to look at him worser than he already is, also there is a rumour saying the guy getting whacked has 3 kids and a wife, but then yet, they say that to make the story more worser than it already is. I hope he gets out of jail, he has finsihed college twice and has extreme wits to proceed in a life other than this. Screw the FBI and I hope they dont mess up, they should be looking out after the cyber terroists and prevent possible future mass shootings.

He helped ruin millions of lives and families with drugtrade... how's that heroic?

bitcoiners...

He didnt ruin anyone life. People who own themselves should be able to decide what they put inside themselves. The people who put others in cages and take away their lives are the criminals.

They take fathers from their children and remove the financial support to them.

Saying that a substance is illegal is the government saying you dont own yourself we own you and we will decide what you can and can not do.

The draft is a great example of that..We own your life and will dispose of it as we see fit. 

We already know anarcho-capitalists believe assassination is justified provided it doesn't violate their "non-aggression principle".

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm




I actually can't believe some of you guys are defending him.

Yes, Americas Favorite Drug Dealer, at least he aint mexican, and wears tatoos an hangs with his thug buddies who are in matter in fact , college graduates with a degree in chemical science.

To protect his revenue stream, you mean. This is just another drug baron scumbag trying to protect his illegal business. May he rot in jail.

Learning who the statist are in this community.. People who are in it for the money dont live in an apartment with roommates. I have been to jail I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy.

This is a bitcoin foundation member and thinks DPR should rot in prison. I guess we know what your motivation is and it aint freedom. I would venture to say you are the greedy one who is only thinking of themselves.

No friend of mine.  >:(

Id bet he had the most expensive parties with his friends and hired escorts in his shared apt

Living with other same minded ppl in the same place isnt really that bad when youre a millionaire I'd imagine

He only lived in an apartment because he wanted to stay below the radar and couldn't launder all his money.

Drug use leads people to ruin, and DPR facilitated that. Forgive me if I don't agree that his actions were "heroic".

Add to that the fact that his site did a lot to make Bitcoin out to the mainstream media, law enforcement and the general public as a tool for the criminal element and not as a legitimate currency, and I think it is better for Bitcoin that he's out of the way.

Yep, he should certainly rot in prison if he attempted to have someone murdered. He wasn't in it for the money? No doubt then you can point us to the charities he donated his profits from the site to?

Watching the PR job he pulled on the naive members of the drug-meets-bitcoin world was funny. Even funnier to watch some of you still buy into it. You are a PR flack's wet dream.

My motivation is to see bitcoin gain mainstream appeal, which requires the buy-in of a huge variety of existing institutions. Drug barons bragging in Forbes about their illegal business transacting solely in bitcoin does not help, at all.



That's ok. I don't hang out with extremists.

Hallmark of a statist is calling people who advocate for freedom extremist.

Hallmark of a drug dealer is to hire hitmen to take out competitors.
So bitcoin and tor will remove violence from the drug trade? Rubbish.

You are just inputting more harsh words to make it more worser than it seems

I don't think you even know what you mean when you say freedom.

Oh hey, look, this is the 2nd time the scumbag tried to have someone murdered.

Anyone painting him as a hero is just sick.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-silk-road-owner-ross-william-ulbricht-allegedly-tried-to-arrange-witness-murder-in-md-20131002,0,5476223.story

And he was the CEO of Good Wagon Books, a non-profit that picks up used books and other junk from your house and donates it to prison libraries and such.

http://www.businessinsider.com/meet-ross-ulbricht-the-brilliant-alleged-mastermind-of-silk-road-2013-10

I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world where other people can hire hitmen to kill other people.
People who think in those terms are despicable and deserve to stay in prison where they won't pose a threat to civilized people.
There are many ways to deal and resolve conflicts that don't involve violence.

There is no evidence that any of that is true. Lots of people make idol threats. Most likely a scare tactic.

Read it, but there's no mention of him donating his profits from Silk Road is there? Did I just miss it?

It did not say that in the documentation, anything in the documents is official, this is not.

Well, sticking your head in the sand and telling yourself he's a good guy is one coping mechanism I guess.

A scare tactic for what aimed at whom though? It's not like the feds need attempted murder to put him away for a very long time. His drug charges are very serious and will land him in jail for a long time if proven, which seems awfully likely. Beyond that, either he wired $80k to the undercover agent's account or he didn't. It's very easy to prove if he did, and it's hard to see why the feds would lie about something so easily proven or disproven. Wiring $80 grand to have someone killed is not an idle threat. It is an attempt to have someone murdered.

And? Bernie Madoff was a major philanthropist who stole money from thousands of people. Someone's good works in one part of life do not, in any way, excuse trying to murder people.

You are the idiot with their head in the sand.

A couple of lines that are a complete contradiction with everything he has stood for and you are ready to right him off as a murder.

You are the one who asked for his charitable works

Go fuck yourself statist.   

Nice resource for people to ignore, same as that damn Zimmerman thread.

How is assassination okay? ... and how did Silk Road survive more than 10 seconds if any seller could report thousands of users?

I'm fine with drugs as long as people take them far away from me, but nothing about DPR is heroic or about freedom.
If the anarchist wet dream and non-aggression principle includes "law by assassination" then count me out.

Anyway hopefully an even more anonymous Silk Road will pop up with more anonymization between users and sellers.

I find it really hard to believe that he'd communicate without using PGP.

The hit-cases are made up in my opinion

Sounds like we won't be friends after all.

I guess Uncle Sam is bringing a little 'violence' down on DPR's ass, eh?  I suppose that in some twisted world having someone tortured before they are killed(*) is not the 'violence' that Libertarians are so hung up on, but I cannot seem to get my head around that one.  Maybe if I were more versed in Austrian School it would all fall into place.

(*) if there is any truth to the government's story, and unfortunately I question just about everything they put out for media consumption these days.

Anyway, goodbye and good riddance to Silk Road.  Sounds like it was in essence a honey-pot for quite some time as I always suspected even if DPR was to ignorant to know it.

Wow, you are insane! You go as far as glorifying criminals for political or ideological reasons!

Not even mentioning the way that Silkroad was dragging down the Bitcoin scene.

SR was a good site, just a guy gone mad with bitcoins.

If he kept a lot of profit from commision, he may have half a million bitcoin stashed away somewhere.

If he goes to jail, he might become the richest person on Earth whilst incarcerated.

Incredible.

Donald Trump in prison for life, but I know he will get bail and will get out soon. Lets hope he fllows this rule in prison

DONT DROP THE SOAP

Actually bail was already denied.

As was not dropping the soap.

Your impression is correct. It is alleged that he was a drug dealer and ordered torture and execution for people that threatened his income. You're right. It is still only alleged that he is a horrible person.

That said, I'm not calling an alleged drug dealer and wannabe murderer a hero. If he's guilty of the crimes, he is a terrible person. The FBI seems to believe they have enough evidence, so, innocent till proven guilty, but I have a hunch he's probably a bad guy.

Whoa, genjix you just lost me right there. Feel how you want about drugs, but they are illegal in the US. Everyone doing business on the SR knew they were breaking the law, point blank. They knew their "lives could be ruined" for their criminal activity if caught, but decided instead to trust a person they never met and had no idea who they were with their fate. That's a) pretty fucking stupid and b) doesn't give you the right TO KILL PEOPLE just to protect your CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

You've had some pretty good opinions here on the forum and bright ideas, but if you think there is some sort of 'honor among thieves' and that murder is perfectly acceptable if it blows the cover on your criminal activity, then you are as much of a thug as DPR is alleged to be. DPR wasn't trying to execute the guy for the sake of the 'lives of his fellow criminal conspirators', he was doing it for money. MORE MONEY.

In light of your support of killing people to protect illegally earned money and the criminal activity of others, it certainly changes my mind regarding your involvement in the Bitcoinica theft.

I cant see him the same anymore, looks like a wolf in sheep clothing,

But I do plan on going to BMR or SMP soon, the feds are spending alot of taxpayer money to shut down these sites and the war on drugs which they are already losing and will never win.

True. But the problem with drugs is that it affects all the people around the user, their family and friends. It's a very selfish habit. I hate it.

I smoke marijuana, even before I hurt my back in baseball practice, It hurt like hell, but the doctors told me I had sciatica and ruptured my disk and have a pinched nerve, you know what pain I go through? I would cry for nights, it degenerated me, and my family that were closest couldnt see me the same, I was withered by the oxycontin pills and the valim was very addicting, I think I overdosed once, I was half asleep, and thought I didnt take my medication when I really did, and sure enough I fainted infront of my sister in my house, an hit my head pretty hard.

Thing is Nebraska doesnt allow medical use for it. and im stuck being a criminal with a family that has medical issues. I had to teach my son that marijuana is medicine, hes 14 and understands, my wife doesnt look at me as a bad person, im normal, I work, I speak, Im active in therpautic sports, I have my family, they dont hate me because im using marijuana. Its pretty sick how the gov is tearing families apart. I hate lashing out at my family, but beer makes things aggressive for me, but tell me this, all I hear in the news, is this "Man killed by drunk driver" "College girls raped at frat party involving alchohol" "Man beats his wife and son while drunk", Marijuana is this "Man arrested for a bag of marijuana" "pot hose raided" "University Graduate smokes marijuana", we need to stop looking at marijuana as if its bad when its not, the feds spend money only for the cons of marijuana, not the benefits. I thank god for marijuana.

and I pray that one day, me and my family can leave this state and go to a closer state that allows it for medicinal purposes. Its not easy, but heck, who will do it, the feds dont understand the pain im in, they will take my medicine and stuff me with those poison pills again.






http://www.pottsmerc.com/general-news/20131001/use-only-as-directed-acetaminophen-poisoning-a-persistent-public-health-problem

DPR actually opposed legalizing drugs, because that would mean the horrors of regulation and taxation.


In other words, fuck all those people rotting in prison.  His personal political agenda is much more important.

Yes, Indeed, AMEN

OP what is wrong with you?

I feel bad for you...

I mean you are going to be rotting in hell for eternity and that's gonna suck...

I can't believe. What if it is not true but fake as well.
Unfortunately everybody does many mistakes but after all DPR was a great man a libertarian and loved freedom.
Selling drugs was not the best thing but on the other hand people are begging for drugs and where is demand there is also offer.
Well in fact he was not selling drugs he only enabled truly free marketplace.
Despite we think it was not nice thing I believe very soon start new drug marketplaces which would be much worser and they could be operated by somebody much worser some narkomafia people from Mexico or South America who kill people everyday. Ulbricht might not be nice but people who will start business after him on this open market gap will be much worser and more cruel.

Not a hero....a legend

Since my original reply to this was deleted by some alleged moderator, I'll post another.

Apparently, it is not permitted to disagree that a guy who contracts hits on people for cutting into his profits is the hero of the universe, even when the OP of the thread is an insult to the character of anyone who doesn't worship this guy.

I guess that's the libertarian ideal.  Freedom for all, until someone disagrees with you.

Hmm... until now it is quite clear that gov has indeed closed silkroad. What else are we SURE of:

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Not much, actually.

I believe, the main questions are:

1. Is Ulbright DPR?
2. Is DPR legit?
3. Are the hitman accusations legit?

The first one seems to be true. (Let's not go into it now.)

The second one can as well be false. DPR may have worked for gov all along, or since initially going bust and after having been offered a deal. Since that, Silk Road would have been a gov operation.

The third one is of course possible, and drug lords do resort to such actions in cases described. However, there is no independent evidence. It is very sad that in almost all matters of importance, the government's side of the story is essentially a lie :( Considering the details that are offered to us, it seems (for example) unlikely to me that there would be specific demand of torture of the victim. A more likely explanation is that accusations are false, and intended to smear the image of DPR. This is a very common tactic.

Please consider the evidence, and consider the track record of the source of the evidence  ::)

A hero? I don't think so, a pioneer? more likely.

Theorists huh

My retrospective two-cents:  cold-blooded (if murderousness proves true), irresponsible namefag who brought down the road.

Anyone who sends their ID documents or friends you on FB to do business with you is an absolute fool.

the guy has balls of steel pulling this through inside the u.s.

as long they don´t come up with a corpse i think it is propaganda.

For those who haven't read the details, it is alleged that DPR was being threatened by a user going by the name 'Friendlychemist', who claimed to have obtained a large number of names and addresses of SR users. Friendlychemist was asking for 500k in order not to release the details publicly, claiming he needed the money to settle his debts with a dealer. DPR told Friendlychemist he wanted to speak to his dealer, and was later contacted by another user, 'Redandwhite'. At this point, DPR asks Redandwhite to assassinate Friendlychemist, for a payment of 150k.

So just a few questions to ask here:

- Why would Redandwhite be happy to settle for 150k and having to commit murder for a debt of 500k?
- Would DPR be too stupid to realise that Friendlychemist and Redandwhite are probably the same person?
- Would there have been a better way for him to deal with the situation. He supposedly knew the identity of Friendlychemist, could he not have just explained the situation and released the details publicly?

It will be interesting to find out more about what supposedly happened, but for now I'm left wondering how likely it is that this series of events actually took place.

hey I don't like statist thought either, but your attitude doesn't help present your case against it in any sort of appealing manner.

You really want to further freedom in this world? Act as a role model of an amazing free human being so that others can lose their fear of becoming free, too.

Insulting statists makes you look like you're just engaged in a game of intellectual one-upmanship.

ON TOPIC:

DPR provided a way for people to express their intent (in this case using substances), where there were barriers imposed on that behavior by government. That is creating freedom. He has thus painted a target on his back and publicly stated that he is aware of the potential consequences of his actions and is willing to face them. I find that very noble.

As for the alleged hit, that seems like very morally ambiguous moral territory to me. Not black & white at all.

[Not a personal dig dude, just pointing out the matter-of-fact] Clearly, like the 99%, you're making your mind up based on third party chitterchat rather than finding out the deets of what's gone down for yourself, because nobody actually died.

Hmmh I don't really care about all this bullshit. Where there's demand, there's drugs.

Came here to say this.

All that means is that it's an attempt crime rather than a completed crime.  It is just as illegal to try to contract for a murder as it is to succeed at contracting for a murder.  The penalties are just less.

I agree, it should be peoples own choice what they put in their bodies. I honestly don't see the difficulty in someone creating a new site called Silk Road 2 , and everyone just going there. I wouldn't do it because I don't want to go to jail, but for someone with the experience it could easily be done. You could even have the same staff members, I think the old SR forums are still up, but you'll probably get a virus from the FBI if you go there.

DPR is a great man we should thank him for promoting free market.

Bet DPR ain't feeling too great at present.  :D

He's fucked.

The why?
For running a narcotics black market and ordering the murder of two men.

The how?
By big burly men in a loving embrace in the prison showers.

Why?  Because he's been caught doing things considered by most of his countrymen to be illegal.  He's already undergone 'violence' and will continue to do so for the rest of his natural life.

How?  Badly.

That's what murder usually does to a person.

Only in this case I should have elaborated. The murders were staged and no one was hurt during the production of the drama.

No need to elaborate.  You accurately said 'ordered'.  It does seem like he took to ordering contract murder like a fish to water though.  That's probably why he was taken down in spite of the wealth of intel data coming of SR.

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Looks to me like Xanis is trying to believe that DPR should be let off the hook because nobody died.

This reminds me of the epic drunk driving thread.  A whole slew of Libertarians simply could not see a problem with drunk driving unless one is unfortunate enough to get into an accident and kill someone while doing so.  And they appeared to make an earnest attempt to contemplate the issue.  Sadly.  These people will always be fringe outliers in society and it's kind of a shame because a lot of their core beliefs about 'liberty' are actually pretty good.  Fortunately, though, Libertarians don't monopolize some of these concepts though here again they often fool themselves into believing that they do.

Reminds me of the "AM I UNDER ARREST" video with the two drunk Aussie libertarians getting into a race with the popo then shitting their pants when they get their windows kicked in.

DPR's hired a new lawyer, Joshua Dratel: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/16/alleged-silk-road-creators-new-lawyer-defended-guantanamo-detainee-nsa-target/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/16/alleged-silk-road-creators-new-lawyer-defended-guantanamo-detainee-nsa-target/)

"“From what I’ve heard I feel pretty good about the case,” says Dratel. “Part of the reward [of being a defense attorney] is taking a case that’s defensible. That’s one of the reasons this case is attractive.”

“Among the people I’ve spoken to who know him in any way, all are firm in their belief that Ross is not guilty of the charges,”

Standard boilerplate for a defense statement.

I don't rule out that we've received massaged information about DPR's supposed crimes from the government, but it seems unlikely that it would be made up out of whole cloth since the case will be followed with interest when it goes to court.  If it does not go to court, or if substantial evidence is hidden for 'national security' reasons, this would be mighty suspicious and will cast legitimate doubt on the outcome.  At this point I would guess it most likely that DPR is indeed responsible for much of what he is accused of, and much of it does not look to good (to me at least.)

Ultimately I'll reserve most of my judgement until I see how the trial proceeds.  Even if the guy was a goob, there is enough doubt inherent in the development and operation of SR that the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' standard might be difficult to meet in some of the counts leveled against him.  Or would be in a 'legacy' U.S. legal justice system.  The rapidly developing opaque legal justice system here is providing a lot more 'flexibility' in arriving at a 'desired' outcome.

DPRは英雄です

i agree, DPR is a hero! i feel so sorry that this happened. pulling for you, man!

I think you've been a little misguided in life.

Is it just me or does anyone else think this is a cover up story to the real way they actually caught him. It doesn't make sense, DPR said himself in an interview with Forbes before this ever happened that he wasn't the first Administrator of Silk Road, he exposed a massive security threat to the site and eventually gained trust in the owner and it was passed on to him when he retired, way after these posts were made. So either they tracked down the 1st owner and he gave up DPR, or they just said fuck the law and did whatever they wanted. The FBI using subpoenae's to catch the largest online drug trafficker is almost as bullshit as saying the government hasn't been using the NSA to spy on us for 10 years.

Read this - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption

So the government is now attacking a service run by the government? It's all a fucking lie, they can probably find who you are through TOR in minutes.


http://www.tomsguide.com/us/tor-encryption-cracked-nsa,news-17530.html

This is just what the public knows. Take whatever the public knows and multiple it by 10 and that's how bad it actually is. Don't use TOR or anything else that you think is anonymous for illegal things because you'll probably be caught. I doubt if you are buying drugs they will go after you, but people like drug dealers and mass hackers are going to get caught, they're just waiting until they have enough info on you to put you in jail for most of your life.

I wonder how many people they've busted using the NSA and then claimed it to be some other way. Looking back on it now I'm kind of thinking that's how they found Sadam and shut down other huge operations like this. They obviously are pretty advanced, they intercepted two Syrian officials talking about the chemical bombing they did over in Syria. I'm guessing if you're using any type of electronic device with a signal or internet connection they're able to track you or listen to what you're saying.

look at his trust!

Didn't he have a clean hit done a couple of months ago for 80k?

What hero wouldn't murder someone who meddled with his drug empire?

When I browsed SR forums (Not to buy just for information) I told him on one of his posts that being a greedy asshole is going to get him fucked over. How could he even think that he's safe anyway? The government is like when you were playing rock, paper, scissors as a little kid and there was that asshole who always did lava, they overrule everything. The government runs the site that you're running the biggest drug-trafficking business in the world on, how could you think you were safe? If I were DPR I would of took the alleged $80M+ and left, who the fuck needs 80M? If he wasn't being a greedy fuck he would of never got caught, he should of quit and passed it on at $10M.

OUT OF THE RUINS
OUT FROM THE WRECKAGE
CAN`T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE THIS TIME
WE ARE THE CHILDREN
THE LAST GENERATION
WE ARE THE ONES THEY LEFT BEHIND
AND I WONDER WHEN WE ARE EVER GONNA CHANGE
LIVING UNDER THE FEAR, TILL NOTHING ELSE REMAINS

WE DON`T NEED ANOTHER HERO
WE DON`T NEED TO KNOW THE WAY HOME
ALL WE WANT IS LIFE BEYOND
THE SILK ROAD

LOOKING FOR SOMETHING
WE CAN RELY ON
THERE`S GOTTA BE SOMETHING BETTER OUT THERE
LOVE AND COMPASSION
THEIR DAY IS COMING
ALL ELSE ARE CASTLES BUILT IN THE AIR
AND I WONDER WHEN WE ARE EVER GONNA CHANGE
LIVING UNDER THE FEAR TILL NOTHING ELSE REMAINS

ALL THE CHILDREN SAY
WE DON`T NEED ANOTHER HERO
WE DON`T NEED TO KNOW THE WAY HOME
ALL WE WANT IS LIFE BEYOND
THE SILK ROAD

SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR LIFES
WE LEAVE ONLY A MARK
WILL OUR STORY SHINE LIKE A LIGHT
OR END IN THE DARK
GIVE IT ALL OR NOTHING

WE DON`T NEED ANOTHER HERO
WE DON`T NEED TO KNOW THE WAY HOME
ALL WE WANT IS LIFE BEYOND
THE SILK ROAD

I imagine that a lot of people will be 'pulling for him'...in the prison shower, that is.

If he is known to have potential access to $80M (or more) of funds, he may be able to find some protection.  But if he gets life and/or is placed among people who have no friends on the outside and no hope of seeing life on the outside, even that  might not be sufficient.

OTOH, $80M+ in Bitcoin is enough of a nest-egg that he might be able to bribe various officials or even arrange a successful jail break.  Even here in the U.S. where such a thing relatively uncommon in blue-collar-land.  It's rife for white-collar folks, but for the most part they don't even get sucked into the intake our criminal justice system and the prison-industrial complex anymore.

ouch man!!!

yeah i would hope that he would have been smart enough to tuck at least some coin away in brain wallets in case *** ever hit the fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tzos8n4yO4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tzos8n4yO4)