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I want to share briefly my experience with BitcoinCasinoPro:

About a month ago he showed great enthusiasm in rating satoshibet.com, and requested 0.5 free BTC to "test the site" with. I really don't like this practice of comping reviewers in the first place, it feels really like paying/bribing for a review.

Seeing as we allow bets starting from 0.000001 BTC, I decided to comply and figured 0.1 BTC should be sufficient for this purpose.
He played shortly afterwards and lost it all basically risking it all at once in a very short time martingaling 1 game. He clearly wasn't testing but just gambling away.

A few weeks go by and I inquire if he liked the site. I get a response that he "wasn't able to withdraw because he lost extremely quick, and hence is not able to offer a fair evaluation". And if I "can provide more info regards to this please".

I find this somewhat bully behavior, it just feels like you are trying to squeeze out a few BTC to get "payed" for a (good?) review.
If I ever get a rating on your site it probably will be a very bad one after I posted this, but Satoshibet does not condone this behavior from review sites.

I wonder what other casinos experience was?

We were downgraded to D+ for having slow payouts for one day out of our ~8 months of operation. If I didn't care less I would actually complain. Either way I agree with OP that the grades are ridiculously skewed.

here are my two topic

real story : how bitcoincasinopro handling issues https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309060.0

bitcoinlivebets.com stealing all my winnings 30 BTC https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.0

so bitcoincasinopro only assisted to bitcoinlivebets to steal all my winnings : 30 BTC  

It is obviously for a 10 years old child, who could use calculator that here is something wrong.   (bitcoinlivebets added a fake bet to my account with stake 29,601 BTC,  while they max limit is only 3 BTC)
http://www46.zippyshare.com/d/82456415/1815851/bitcoinkivebetsfakeaccounthistory.xlsx

after assisting for this robbing bitcoincasinopro upgraded  bitcoinlivebets from C  to B


http://www.imageupload.co.uk/files/uzg96ps531uvfikelia6.jpg

I did not invest to bitcoincasinopro, perhaps bitcoinlivebets did ...

He is attacking casinos in reviews and publicly on this forum (Namely SWC and Bit777), that provide similar services of casinos he has been affiliates of for years, that lended him USD or BTC to get started here.  IMO clear conflict of interests, now honestly he runs a pretty decent site, except in these cases, I do believe however with the 2 new competing sites, he will lose his corner on being our watchdog.  I really think one of the new site that offers SEO service will clearly progress if the desire is there, that where this guy actually does achieve in his desire.

This guy's a low-life.

He contacted the owner of Bitwincasino.com & offered to submit a free casino review initially, (though alarm bells started ringing after I noticed this thread shortly afterwards).

The owner of Bitwincasino.com then contacted him regards the review at which point he demanded 12BTC for it, or he would provide a negative review (full story here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309060.0).

Steer clear of this guy & his site.

13:54:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> sounds like another gambling agenda from someone
13:54:27 (72492) <badguy> with that much evidence...highly doubt it
13:54:43 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they have spent 2000 btcs on advertising
13:54:44 (72492) <badguy> there are screenshots of actual copyright theft, hash theft
13:54:50 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> why would they "do evil"?
13:54:55 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> just dont understand
13:54:55 (72492) <badguy> trademark theft
13:55:04 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> oh I agree thats messed up
13:55:17 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> but no harm no foul? we are talking words not actual programs
13:55:33 (72492) <badguy> are they a paid sponsor on your site?
13:55:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> yes
13:55:59 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> so is 19 other companies
13:57:03 (72492) <badguy> yeah, well in my opinion, and apparently what i read, stealing someone else's product isnt cool
13:57:08 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i agree
13:57:12 (72492) <badguy> shows real low moral character
13:57:21 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> but from a service perspective to players what risk?>
13:57:31 (72492) <badguy> hah
13:57:35 (72492) <badguy> ill tell you what
13:57:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> give me a reason to downgrade that effects play
13:57:40 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i will right now
13:58:03 (72492) <badguy> if today they do all this, tomorrow they will just quit with their players balances, and vanish
13:58:05 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> what they doing is shady it's uncool to steal peoples homework
13:58:17 (710) <drfred> what? :D i highly doubt that 12:54:43 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they have spent 2000 btcs on advertising
13:58:18 (134004) <SJ> have you read that article on betcoin?
13:58:35 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> just look in the bitcoin forum auctions
13:58:49 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they won a full month in a row at 250 btc x 8 slots a week?
13:59:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> for how many weeks plus they donated 50 btc to them , 25 or so to us, 100;s of other locations
13:59:11 (72492) <badguy> bro, madoff was running a ponzi for 50 years, 49 years he was ok, and people were happy. theft happens only once
13:59:12 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they have spent lots
13:59:37 (134004) <SJ> so theyre basically buying their rating from you
13:59:42 (72492) <badguy> ^^^
13:59:47 (710) <drfred> @ray: no, about betcoin
13:59:57 (72492) <badguy> SJ right on spot
14:00:02 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> no but financial security is a portion of the rating
14:00:25 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> just-dice spent zero with us and they rank A+
14:00:31 (98066) <Nix> wait so I could open a site and pay you to make it sound good?
14:00:32 (72492) <badguy> well bcp I don't understand how can you defend them after all their actions
14:00:35 (134004) <SJ> have you read that betcoin article?
14:00:42 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they don't even offer an affiliate program so no money earned just losses occur from sending players here
14:00:43 (134004) <SJ> betcoin should be nowhere near a+ site
14:01:07 (710) <drfred> they gave him money @SJ, he cant rate them bad :D
14:01:17 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they offer provable gaming, have financial security
14:01:28 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> good feedback from playerss
14:01:28 (134004) <SJ> have you read that article??
14:01:32 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> the 3 main components
14:01:35 (168205) <wanda> LOL
14:01:36 (134004) <SJ> they dont offer provably fair at all
14:01:41 (710) <drfred> or at least he wont
14:01:49 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> actually its lock tight they use blockchain
14:01:57 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> Doug could verify that
14:02:07 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> oh don'
14:02:11 (72492) <badguy> its not man
14:02:13 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> the satoshi wheel
14:02:16 (134004) <SJ> when the secret keys for the previous days were clicked on nothing was revealed. They were empty. This is disturbing as it appears that BetCoinDice’s secret keys information has been lifted directly from the SatoshiDice website
14:02:21 (710) <drfred> as bitpro did prove earlier, he's an expert about security ;)
14:02:21 (134004) <SJ> how is that provably fair??
14:02:28 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> its not
14:02:43 (72492) <badguy> Tradefortress revealed their fairness is a scam
14:02:50 (70603) <life> 19:01:17 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they offer provable gaming, have financial security
14:02:50 (72492) <badguy> in the forum some time ago
14:02:51 (70603) <life> 19:02:28 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> its not
14:03:09 (168205) <wanda> TIL bitcoincasinopro isn't a pro at anything
14:03:15 (134004) <SJ> so bitcoincasinopro is just takin gthe money to keep them a+ then so loses all respect
14:03:25 (70603) <life> bcpro is a paid fraud shill from the beginning
14:03:31 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> nah
14:03:32 (710) <drfred> looks like that, yes
14:03:33 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/betcoin-network/betcoin-circle-playing-unfair-network-downgraded/
14:03:38 (72492) <badguy> for real :D
14:04:51 (72492) <badguy> bcp what you are showing is nonsense
14:04:53 (134004) <SJ> bitcoincasinopro you even have their link right there on the front page
14:05:06 (134004) <SJ> so im sorry but youre promoting an obvious scam site for money
14:05:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i exposed them for not offering a fair wheel
14:05:15 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> that portion has been downgraded
14:05:23 (134004) <SJ> take their link off your front page
14:05:24 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> how is that not fair?
14:05:52 (134004) <SJ> on your front page under dice sites part way down they are the first site listed
14:05:56 (134004) <SJ> how much did they pay you for that
14:06:44 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they cheated me directly on the wheel prior to offering provable gaming for it
14:06:49 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i lost 2 btc out of it
14:07:00 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> dont act like Im not a player as you all are right?
14:07:02 (197637) <Vani> http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com is that your website?
14:07:03 (134004) <SJ> take them off your front page
14:07:03 (168205) <wanda> we need to make a website that rates websites that rates casinos.
14:07:09 (72492) <badguy> you just said they paid you 25btc
14:07:29 (710) <drfred> @wanda: I'm so in on that :D
14:07:34 (134004) <SJ> why would you have a scam site listed first on the front page under dice sites?
14:07:42 (710) <drfred> meta-rating
14:07:47 (72492) <badguy> SJ its also A+ rated!!!
14:07:51 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> the dice is provable fair they use blockchain
14:08:22 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> I will ask the seasoned vets to review the gaming fairness again
14:08:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> and just for the record tradefortress was one that validated that it is indeed fair
14:08:38 (134004) <SJ> bitcoincasinopro you are a sellout
14:08:45 (134004) <SJ> ive just lost all respect for your site and you
14:08:53 (168205) <wanda> +1
14:09:01 (72492) <badguy> tradefortress is the one that revealed their fairness is fake!!!
14:09:08 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> originally
14:09:12 (72492) <badguy> you schill
14:09:21 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> than went to posting it was legitimate
14:09:26 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> I kept the records
14:09:48 (134004) <SJ> how much did they pay you to be first site listed on front page under dice sites?
14:09:55 (72492) <badguy> wanda +1 on the idea , we really need a review site to filter people like bcp :D
14:10:00 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they didn't pay for that elite spot
14:10:12 (134004) <SJ> so why do you have a scam site there then
14:10:12 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they paid a yearly fee to be included
14:13:47 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> again i lose money promoting just-dice and they A+
14:13:50 (168205) <wanda> i skipped to the bottom of that document, saw a bitcoin address right next to an A+ rating logo
14:13:51 (72492) <badguy> if tomorrow i come up with a dice site and pay you, ill get A+ too, then i scam people and go away
14:13:54 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> Bitzino A+ dont earn a penny there
14:14:07 (134004) <SJ> youre protecting a scam site simple as that
14:14:14 (134004) <SJ> because they line your pockets
14:14:30 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i have declined many offers sorta like bit companies
14:14:37 (710) <drfred> hahahahaha 13:13:47 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> again i lose money promoting just-dice and they A
14:14:40 (710) <drfred> weird logic
14:14:48 (72492) <badguy> ^^^
14:14:52 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitwin-casino/
14:14:52 (134004) <SJ> youre protecting a scam site BCP its so obvious and simple
14:17:12 (168205) <wanda> bcp you have 0 integrity
14:17:14 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> you know what
14:17:20 (72492) <badguy> you are a fucking joke
14:17:21 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> 10+ have complained about the rating
14:17:32 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> peoples thoughts are one of the bigger factors
14:17:36 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> lets calculate
14:17:39 (168205) <wanda> no 1 cares
14:17:43 (168205) <wanda> ur a joke
14:17:48 (134004) <SJ> you and your site is a joke BCP really,
14:17:56 (72492) <badguy> hahahaha
14:18:07 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> BCP Overall Rating B+ Software A+ Financial Security A+ Dice Promotions A+ Player Feedback C-
14:18:20 (134004) <SJ> how much do i need to pay you get my site listed first with a+ rating, how much does that cost
14:18:25 (72492) <badguy> changing your own rating because others are calling you out????
14:18:35 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> its been published
14:18:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> nothing has changed
14:18:44 (134004) <SJ> how much does it cost bcp?
14:18:48 (134004) <SJ> whats your bribe rates
14:18:58 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> ratings cannot be bought
14:18:59 (168205) <wanda> can i get a discounted bribe rate?
14:19:02 (72492) <badguy> man go hide in a cave
14:19:09 (134004) <SJ> youve proved they can be bought
14:19:15 (134004) <SJ> how much does a+ cost
14:19:19 (70603) <life> 12btc

Oh and we are not an entity of SBR and have never claimed of being one.

After a long hiatus from using Bitcoin, I have returned, to see many new casinos and games. The one thing that is extremely irritating is Alan Karre Jr's Bitcoin Casino Pro SCAM. Anybody can see that he has no idea how Bitcoin works.

Date Registered:   August 14, 2013, 01:37:47 PM

How is this guy even qualified to run a Bitcoin website?

ADMITTING HE IS A LIAR, AND LYING ABOUT HIS AFFILIATE PROGRAMS


I found these redirects on your website, and I'm completely sure there are more:
http://777coin.com/?ref=2057
https://bitbook.biz/?referer=posterak

If these are not affiliate programs, what are they?

Yet another blatant lie from bitcoin casino "pro". Do you really think people are too stupid to understand what you've written in your "disclosure notice"? That is very insulting.

https://i.imgur.com/oyEyoeT.png

FAKE LINKS TO TRICK USERS INTO PLAYING ON THE WRONG WEBSITE

As you can see, the link to Satoshi Dice is redirecting to BitZino instead.

All of the links to dice, poker, and circle sites are pointing to Alan's friends' websites. Last time I checked, nether Satoshi Dice or Seals with Clubs had anything to do with BitZino.

Are they not paying you enough to deserve a link that actually directs back to their website Alan?

DO NOT TRUST bitcoin casino pro. Any gambling company that has advertised on bitcoin casino pro should be ASHAMED.

The screenshot you are publishing is irrelevant. We have suspended our instant withdrawals since more than 2 weeks ago, and that is the exact message it shows. We will be releasing Peerbet's new website soon and instant withdrawals will remain suspended until then.

Well lets break your accusation down one more time of the "5 none advertisers" :-*

3. Satoshi Poker -- Full of Bots along with many player complaints. On the side of that the folks who manage it I have spoke to for months and are decent people.
4. BitsPoker -- Another potential company that is currently a tad underfunded but the folks who manage it are also great individuals. I would bet 10 to 1 they would agree with current rating based on that alone although they vision a great site which I personally agree with.

With that said I don't see how you could justify a higher poker rating for bitspoker or satoshi poker currently with poker sites like Seals With Clubs and Strike Sapphire available as honestly they are far from the same league at this present time. I have made it publicly clear Seals needs a competitor for the good of the industry and hope someone does so. I bet Micon could come into this thread and argue against your point as well not only from a poker standard but a rating standard as they actually declined advertising or banner swapping of any nature with us. (but we added them anyhow because it's good for the bitcoin gambling community and the right thing to do)

Many think the real players are getting sucked dry from in house player accounts hence the reason people not coming back and bleeding out slowly. Of course we cannot prove such allegations but many similar stories coming forward after speaking with seasoned poker pros. Hard to tell especially if one don't spend the time to see what they was dealt by the chain and even then how do you differentiate a honest bluff with a "I know I got you beat with higher 6 kicker etc." I have to agree not looking good but another poker site is getting ready to make a huge splash soon enough which should at least make the field competitive which is clearly good for real bitcoin players.

Also Alan you seem to be involved in a scandal from a few years back "snip"

http://mb.winneronline.com/showthread.html?p=117702&mode=threaded

What about us AKsplace? I see we are not yet rated?

We are provably fair. We have a perfect track record of paying out all our players. We have had several big winners/payouts that proof our liquidity. We are a real, incorporated business.

-snip-

We all know you are a good casino, and those reviews are ridiculous, but using expletives towards others is not the best way to go about solving you're problems. It makes you look immature, not reliable.

If noone speaks up when there is a clear wrongdoing and corruption, nothing will ever change.

Okay this honestly seems quite bullshit. Don't put bias in your reviews. Paying sites should not have higher ratings. Non-paying sites should not have low ratings.

It only took 3 screenshots of your own actions in the open public to push your biased scoring even further. How is that not corrupted behavior?

https://i.imgur.com/p1nNsid.png

We do offer provably fair and verifiable gaming on both websites, but this is not the issue we are discussing here. Your actions on the published screenshots is what we are discussing.

And all your doing is making yourself look like a douche bag that my friend you can take to the bank ;D

BTW I was told to let you folks bury yourself I'm done with the conversation enjoy your rant.

We were downgraded to D+ for having slow payouts for one day out of our ~8 months of operation. If I didn't care less I would actually complain. Either way I agree with OP that the grades are ridiculously skewed.

Zaih's right, wish Mem would show back up, either that or some trusted longtime member here start to take over for Mem with possible help from other members of site.


All he is doing is running the Better Business Bureau Scam http://bbbscam.net/ - well offering add space with no real payoff to the casinos as Zaih said no SEO and very little traffic.

I don't get the problem here, nobody pays the fucker and he doesn't get what he wants. Being a bitcoin gambler for over a year I know that his "ratings" are complete bullshit and don't trust anything that comes out of this guy's mouth. You all really oughta stop fretting about someone who is literally just here to get money. I've seen him vouching for other casinos in other threads, and I would bet a good amount of money that they were the ones that paid him.

Honestly I've tried both sites (peerbet and bit777) and  lost 6 / 7 bets.
Clearly Bit777 works with cycles ensuring a % profit to the admin. (No proven fair, everything depends on the amount of the bet, is like a slots game cycles, like almost all casinos under regulation)

The 2nd game is "proven fair" but if you lose 6/7 bets.....bad luck...I guess...although the design are not attractive.

And overall the result: is very frustrating to lose so often.  If you lose and enjoy awaiting the outcome does not matter lose, but if you know that the result is lost again and again deserves a D- no doubt. Lost 17 bitcoins and 0 fun.

Thats very lame are these reviews trustworthy anyway ?

Mind the 19 "paying for quality" operators he mentions:

anyhow I been wanting to get in touch with you in regarding the advertising spot and promotions your receiving within www.bitcoincasinopro.com.. I put you up as I am a fan but every other company on the site pays an advertising fee most 5 btc for the year. I really need to pen up that premium spot if you would not be interested in keeping that location

I tell you what like I mentioned I love your presence on the forum and overall a solid name. I would be happy to eliminate the rate completely if you would apply your official A+ rating on the site its a high quality transparent logo

Just-Dice is listed as an A+ site, despite never having paid anything at all.  We're not mentioned anywhere on the front page even though two other 'dice sites' are.  As soon as I saw the site I got the impression the deal was that we had the option of paying up or having our rating downgraded.  For weeks nothing happened, and we kept the A+ rating, then eventually:


I changed the subject, but eventually it came back to:


I didn't ever say "no", and maybe that's why the rating stayed as it did.  We disappeared from the front page, and betcoindice or whatever they're called took our place as bestest dice site.

bump

 :D

why all silent about this now not talk nothing happening here  :(

They just crying because they don't offer legitimate games and offer thug like customer service... The ratings clearly show this on the rating guide.

I think A+ rated brands (who are not sponsors) coming into this thread and "exposing" the real reason why D rated bit777 is in this thread speaks volumes.

Bitcoin Reviewer has written a much more accurate review here: http://bitcoinreviewer.com/casino/bit777-review/

Points have been taken off for the software not being probably fair in many games, but we feel that Bit777 provides excellent customer support and promotions, from our experience dealing with this online casino.

Thanks for that!

No problem. We're currently working adding reviews for all major Bitcoin casinos. A review for Peerbet should be coming soon, either today or tomorrow.

Do you think we've missed anything in the review?

 :D

http://s12.postimg.org/ga8bo9hel/bump.jpg

I never really looked at the ratings, but I did do a job for them. The person I was talking to seemed very professional and was even willing to pay me before I had finished the job (I declined that of course). Anyway, he quickly send me the BTC he owned me after I finished the job and after all it was one of the smoothest transactions / jobs I had. So in that perspective he seems like a very decent and professional person and I would definitely work for him again.

Bitcoin Casino Pro actually has companies ranking better in respected categories that are not sponsors than some that are. (Seals With Clubs is a perfect example) One of the main benefits of being an elite sponsor comes with location, location, location.. Ratings are not actually bought. We upgraded a particular casino recently to the A+ mark as they earned it that is the goal of the site.

13:54:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> sounds like another gambling agenda from someone
13:54:27 (72492) <badguy> with that much evidence...highly doubt it
13:54:43 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they have spent 2000 btcs on advertising
13:54:44 (72492) <badguy> there are screenshots of actual copyright theft, hash theft
13:54:50 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> why would they "do evil"?
13:54:55 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> just dont understand
13:54:55 (72492) <badguy> trademark theft
13:55:04 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> oh I agree thats messed up
13:55:17 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> but no harm no foul? we are talking words not actual programs
13:55:33 (72492) <badguy> are they a paid sponsor on your site?
13:55:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> yes
13:55:59 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> so is 19 other companies
13:57:03 (72492) <badguy> yeah, well in my opinion, and apparently what i read, stealing someone else's product isnt cool
13:57:08 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i agree
13:57:12 (72492) <badguy> shows real low moral character
13:57:21 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> but from a service perspective to players what risk?>
13:57:31 (72492) <badguy> hah
13:57:35 (72492) <badguy> ill tell you what
13:57:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> give me a reason to downgrade that effects play
13:57:40 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i will right now
13:58:03 (72492) <badguy> if today they do all this, tomorrow they will just quit with their players balances, and vanish
13:58:05 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> what they doing is shady it's uncool to steal peoples homework
13:58:17 (710) <drfred> what? :D i highly doubt that 12:54:43 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they have spent 2000 btcs on advertising
13:58:18 (134004) <SJ> have you read that article on betcoin?
13:58:35 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> just look in the bitcoin forum auctions
13:58:49 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they won a full month in a row at 250 btc x 8 slots a week?
13:59:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> for how many weeks plus they donated 50 btc to them , 25 or so to us, 100;s of other locations
13:59:11 (72492) <badguy> bro, madoff was running a ponzi for 50 years, 49 years he was ok, and people were happy. theft happens only once
13:59:12 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they have spent lots
13:59:37 (134004) <SJ> so theyre basically buying their rating from you
13:59:42 (72492) <badguy> ^^^
13:59:47 (710) <drfred> @ray: no, about betcoin
13:59:57 (72492) <badguy> SJ right on spot
14:00:02 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> no but financial security is a portion of the rating
14:00:25 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> just-dice spent zero with us and they rank A+
14:00:31 (98066) <Nix> wait so I could open a site and pay you to make it sound good?
14:00:32 (72492) <badguy> well bcp I don't understand how can you defend them after all their actions
14:00:35 (134004) <SJ> have you read that betcoin article?
14:00:42 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they don't even offer an affiliate program so no money earned just losses occur from sending players here
14:00:43 (134004) <SJ> betcoin should be nowhere near a+ site
14:01:07 (710) <drfred> they gave him money @SJ, he cant rate them bad :D
14:01:17 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they offer provable gaming, have financial security
14:01:28 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> good feedback from playerss
14:01:28 (134004) <SJ> have you read that article??
14:01:32 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> the 3 main components
14:01:35 (168205) <wanda> LOL
14:01:36 (134004) <SJ> they dont offer provably fair at all
14:01:41 (710) <drfred> or at least he wont
14:01:49 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> actually its lock tight they use blockchain
14:01:57 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> Doug could verify that
14:02:07 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> oh don'
14:02:11 (72492) <badguy> its not man
14:02:13 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> the satoshi wheel
14:02:16 (134004) <SJ> when the secret keys for the previous days were clicked on nothing was revealed. They were empty. This is disturbing as it appears that BetCoinDice’s secret keys information has been lifted directly from the SatoshiDice website
14:02:21 (710) <drfred> as bitpro did prove earlier, he's an expert about security ;)
14:02:21 (134004) <SJ> how is that provably fair??
14:02:28 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> its not
14:02:43 (72492) <badguy> Tradefortress revealed their fairness is a scam
14:02:50 (70603) <life> 19:01:17 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they offer provable gaming, have financial security
14:02:50 (72492) <badguy> in the forum some time ago
14:02:51 (70603) <life> 19:02:28 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> its not
14:03:09 (168205) <wanda> TIL bitcoincasinopro isn't a pro at anything
14:03:15 (134004) <SJ> so bitcoincasinopro is just takin gthe money to keep them a+ then so loses all respect
14:03:25 (70603) <life> bcpro is a paid fraud shill from the beginning
14:03:31 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> nah
14:03:32 (710) <drfred> looks like that, yes
14:03:33 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/betcoin-network/betcoin-circle-playing-unfair-network-downgraded/
14:03:38 (72492) <badguy> for real :D
14:04:51 (72492) <badguy> bcp what you are showing is nonsense
14:04:53 (134004) <SJ> bitcoincasinopro you even have their link right there on the front page
14:05:06 (134004) <SJ> so im sorry but youre promoting an obvious scam site for money
14:05:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i exposed them for not offering a fair wheel
14:05:15 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> that portion has been downgraded
14:05:23 (134004) <SJ> take their link off your front page
14:05:24 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> how is that not fair?
14:05:52 (134004) <SJ> on your front page under dice sites part way down they are the first site listed
14:05:56 (134004) <SJ> how much did they pay you for that
14:06:44 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they cheated me directly on the wheel prior to offering provable gaming for it
14:06:49 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i lost 2 btc out of it
14:07:00 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> dont act like Im not a player as you all are right?
14:07:02 (197637) <Vani> http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com is that your website?
14:07:03 (134004) <SJ> take them off your front page
14:07:03 (168205) <wanda> we need to make a website that rates websites that rates casinos.
14:07:09 (72492) <badguy> you just said they paid you 25btc
14:07:29 (710) <drfred> @wanda: I'm so in on that :D
14:07:34 (134004) <SJ> why would you have a scam site listed first on the front page under dice sites?
14:07:42 (710) <drfred> meta-rating
14:07:47 (72492) <badguy> SJ its also A+ rated!!!
14:07:51 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> the dice is provable fair they use blockchain
14:08:22 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> I will ask the seasoned vets to review the gaming fairness again
14:08:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> and just for the record tradefortress was one that validated that it is indeed fair
14:08:38 (134004) <SJ> bitcoincasinopro you are a sellout
14:08:45 (134004) <SJ> ive just lost all respect for your site and you
14:08:53 (168205) <wanda> +1
14:09:01 (72492) <badguy> tradefortress is the one that revealed their fairness is fake!!!
14:09:08 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> originally
14:09:12 (72492) <badguy> you schill
14:09:21 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> than went to posting it was legitimate
14:09:26 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> I kept the records
14:09:48 (134004) <SJ> how much did they pay you to be first site listed on front page under dice sites?
14:09:55 (72492) <badguy> wanda +1 on the idea , we really need a review site to filter people like bcp :D
14:10:00 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they didn't pay for that elite spot
14:10:12 (134004) <SJ> so why do you have a scam site there then
14:10:12 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> they paid a yearly fee to be included
14:13:47 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> again i lose money promoting just-dice and they A+
14:13:50 (168205) <wanda> i skipped to the bottom of that document, saw a bitcoin address right next to an A+ rating logo
14:13:51 (72492) <badguy> if tomorrow i come up with a dice site and pay you, ill get A+ too, then i scam people and go away
14:13:54 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> Bitzino A+ dont earn a penny there
14:14:07 (134004) <SJ> youre protecting a scam site simple as that
14:14:14 (134004) <SJ> because they line your pockets
14:14:30 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> i have declined many offers sorta like bit companies
14:14:37 (710) <drfred> hahahahaha 13:13:47 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> again i lose money promoting just-dice and they A
14:14:40 (710) <drfred> weird logic
14:14:48 (72492) <badguy> ^^^
14:14:52 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitwin-casino/
14:14:52 (134004) <SJ> youre protecting a scam site BCP its so obvious and simple
14:17:12 (168205) <wanda> bcp you have 0 integrity
14:17:14 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> you know what
14:17:20 (72492) <badguy> you are a fucking joke
14:17:21 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> 10+ have complained about the rating
14:17:32 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> peoples thoughts are one of the bigger factors
14:17:36 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> lets calculate
14:17:39 (168205) <wanda> no 1 cares
14:17:43 (168205) <wanda> ur a joke
14:17:48 (134004) <SJ> you and your site is a joke BCP really,
14:17:56 (72492) <badguy> hahahaha
14:18:07 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> BCP Overall Rating B+ Software A+ Financial Security A+ Dice Promotions A+ Player Feedback C-
14:18:20 (134004) <SJ> how much do i need to pay you get my site listed first with a+ rating, how much does that cost
14:18:25 (72492) <badguy> changing your own rating because others are calling you out????
14:18:35 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> its been published
14:18:37 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> nothing has changed
14:18:44 (134004) <SJ> how much does it cost bcp?
14:18:48 (134004) <SJ> whats your bribe rates
14:18:58 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> ratings cannot be bought
14:18:59 (168205) <wanda> can i get a discounted bribe rate?
14:19:02 (72492) <badguy> man go hide in a cave
14:19:09 (134004) <SJ> youve proved they can be bought
14:19:15 (134004) <SJ> how much does a+ cost
14:19:19 (70603) <life> 12btc

13:59:09 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> for how many weeks plus they donated 50 btc to them , 25 or so to us, 100;s of other locations

14:18:58 (157854) <bitcoincasinopro> ratings cannot be bought

I don't see how that chat proves anything.
Also Dooglus said he never paid them and they still got an A+.

I don't see how that chat proves anything.
Also Dooglus said he never paid them and they still got an A+.

Your right, it don't prove anything just another failed smear campaign attempt.

Dude, google variance. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, that's how games of chance work. It's not the casino cheating you, it's just bad luck. Get over it.

I worked at spanish BetVictor.com (gibraltar), a casino by cycles is not dishonest, is how works all legal online casinos. The random component is the duration of each cycle. And it ensures a% profit for the owner (short and long term)

Saying that the game is -"fair" / Use mersenne twister algorithm- and use cycles is dishonest, and deserves a D+.

They paid him 25btc. He refuses to score them low, even though there is a ton of evidence for corrupted behavior on their end. He gave him an A+ for software...that is outright ridiculous given the fact that they cloned SD in its entirety. He claims they do not pay him for the high rating. How is his behavior not corrupted?

I can tell you one thing. Where he claims he comes from (SBR http://www.sportsbookreview.com), this would have never happened. It just doesn't work this way. The SBR rating process:

Your company enters with an initial rating of B or C, depending on past history of the founders. For 6 months you are not allowed to pay a penny to them to advertise, this is their trial period. After you have been secure for 6 months, with no wrongdoing, and if they decide it is safe, they allow you to to do paid advertisements on their site. The only times a rating goes down is when there are player complaints.

In this case, paying BCP from day one ensures higher rating, and not only that, but also lobbying in your favor on public spaces. Dooglus hasn't paid and in my opinion he doesn't have to. He runs the largest dice site, so why would he pay. What review site in their right mind would not include his business...

Oh and we are not an entity of SBR and have never claimed of being one.

If you are speaking about us, we don't use payout cycles and never said it. It is entirely random. The cycles you are describing are called Volatility in the gambling industry, and they have nothing to do with ensuring profit for the owner. What was your position in BetVictor?

There are online casinos with a roulette without zero, and still have a 98% payout (instead of 100%) How is it possible?

The Volatility (VI) does not apply to the online gaming world, and believe me I know what I'm saying.

There are online casinos with a roulette without zero, and still have a 98% payout (instead of 100%) How is it possible?

Because the only random component is the duration of each cycle, like any slots machine (which has guaranteed 5% -40% to the owner depending on the country), like your casino or bitwin casino. And this is not dishonest, is how it works the gambling world. But is dishonest deny it.

I never claimed you are an entity of SBR, I was merely doing a comparison with a company you claimed that you have been a source of for 10 years.

https://i.imgur.com/cIGv9gU.png

These guys are definitely scam artists. They also don’t provide the “Provably Fair” hashes or whatever, however that works, like other sites do.

They have a No-Martingale rule when it comes to their No-Zero Roulette, so I came up with a good system that was slowly inching me ahead in credits. Suddenly I started getting nothing but pushes for like 10 minutes straight. That’s when I started thinking something was up. I had bet on the 1st and 3rd dozens, and had a doubled bet on the 2nd dozen… for 10 minutes straight, NO number in the 2nd dozen was hit. I started thinking, WTF? I thought, yep, they’re monitoring me or something.

So I started switching up my bets, and sure enough, I did a test bet with higher than usual stakes and kept doing that, and then the roulette wheel hit the same number SIX times in a row! Do you know how astronomical the odds of that happening are? That’s when I knew they were cheats, and I withdrew all my BTC immediately. F*ck them, someone needs to get these guys caught and dealt with, PRONTO!

im a newb in BTC, just knew BTC on april

i know this bitcoincasinopro, but never red it, just had a glimpsed of it once or twice on some ads
this site is unsignificant to these gambling site
review from the costumer on forums such on bitcointalk is far more significant

i played perbeet wheel before, once and quite short play, and its not interesting to play
i know its gambling, but, its hard win anything on here, loose is a certain

You're dumb.

A site not being PROVABLY fair does not mean that it's unfair.

Bad luck does not mean that a site is unfair.

Also, is there actually any proof of that claim? -.-

Could be bad luck or a scam, but either way it's not really valid without proof.

To some extent I agree. And that is why we should get rid of casinos that are not provably fair. You never know if it is luck or manipulation.
Still, what would be your threshold for calling it a scam? 7 times in a row? 8? 10? 20? Do you even know how unlikely those are?

Not taking any sides, but the same number 6 times in a row? At least very very unlikely.

Alan did I lose you here buddy?

Not taking any sides, but the same number 6 times in a row? At least very very unlikely.

I never claimed you are an entity of SBR, I was merely doing a comparison with a company you claimed that you have been a source of for 10 years.

https://i.imgur.com/cIGv9gU.png

It seems like he wants to promote particular brands on his site to look more popular than others by paying people to post comments for these brands, who of course go through moderation.

https://i.imgur.com/W7BIkmu.png

No surprises here.

Just here to say that Ice-Dice.com just got a "A" review from BitcoinCasinoPro and we didn't pay them anything.

Thanks David, Yes I appreciate a majority of the brands coming in and vouching for BCP and furthermore showing how insecure low scam artist brands like this one will go its not really necessary.

Alan I am not really sure what is the ill logic you are using to put us and bitwin in one boat. What I am certain is you do not answer the questions I have posted above. Why are you avoiding to address them? There is no place to hide Alan. Just give a statement so the community would know your position.

He won't answer. He likes to hide in the shadows & thinks all these scam posts about his site & behaviour will just go away..

My position on RNG websites is publicly known. Especially brands that deliberately cheat it's clients. We now have over 20 sponsored programs that are happy and proud to be mentioned as a quality and FAIR gambling organization. We also have a handful that are not sponsors that get an A rating we have also opted out of affiliate commissions for these brands. We are not the ones hiding its you and we will continue to put pressure on organized company's that choose to steal from the bitcoin community.

My position on RNG websites is publicly known. Especially brands that deliberately cheat it's clients. We now have over 20 sponsored programs that are happy and proud to be mentioned as a quality and FAIR gambling organization. We also have a handful that are not sponsors that get an A rating we have also opted out of affiliate commissions for these brands. We are not the ones hiding its you and we will continue to put pressure on organized company's that choose to steal from the bitcoin community. It's good to see you are feeling the crunch it's only going to get worse.......

What a load of bs..haha..you demanded BTC off the owner of Bitwincasino to give him a favorable review & when he refused to pay you gave him a poor review..and that without even logging into the site with your account. Your a conman - many people on this forum can attest to that.

Oh, and we're not feeling any 'crunch'...though its good to see you are :)

your so full of shit its funny.. Please published "such demand" lol We have a wallet balance larger than your casinos that I can assure. We don't need you that's for certain

fucking pos scammer

on a side note: off his rocker!!

You mad Alan? Its nice watching you squirm :)

You would have to be one of the most dishonest people on this forum and your reviews aren't worth a pinch of shit lol

I'm not mad, its quite evident we sleep well at night.. Attend bitcoin meetups and enjoy what we do again like i said feel free to file suit we would really enjoy that.

But I will admit, I am mad as I dislike conman and child molesters. It frustrates me when they are able to get new victims. These two types of people go hand in hand. I guess only time will justice ever be really served.

We were downgraded to D+ for having slow payouts for one day out of our ~8 months of operation. If I didn't care less I would actually complain. Either way I agree with OP that the grades are ridiculously skewed.

Redcoin, Bit365, Bit777
Oh Boy, 2 out of 3 right so far regarding low quality gambling organizations.. Only 1 to go and that is bit777 they seem to be doing OK right now though minus the unprovable games they currently provide. Again 14 years in the industry I can see right through a corrupt site by actions and reports received. We go deep into these organizations by depositing with are own coins it don't take long to see the light :)

Redcoin, Bit365, Bit777
Oh Boy, 2 out of 3 right so far regarding low quality gambling organizations.. Only 1 to go and that is bit777 they seem to be doing OK right now though minus the unprovable games they currently provide. Again 14 years in the industry I can see right through a corrupt site by actions and reports received. We go deep into these organizations by depositing with are own coins it don't take long to see the light :)

http://bitcoingamblingreview.com/bitcoincasinopro-exposed-scam/ (http://bitcoingamblingreview.com/bitcoincasinopro-exposed-scam/)


Hehe :D

http://bitcoingamblingreview.com/bitcoincasinopro-exposed-scam/ (http://bitcoingamblingreview.com/bitcoincasinopro-exposed-scam/)


Hehe :D

Oldminer, your casino doesn't have provably fair and you even stated that Provably Fair systems are a scam. As long as you keep it that way, I'm going to agree with Dooglus and everyone else that your casino is a scam.

Nice misquote. What I said was just because a site says its 'provably fair' doesn't mean it IS provably fair as it still open to manipulation and still relies on an honest site operator. On that basis, I said we wont be implimenting any provably fair system as it stands.

Oldminer, your casino doesn't have provably fair and you even stated that Provably Fair systems are a scam. As long as you keep it that way, I'm going to agree with Dooglus and everyone else that your casino is a scam.

They should have mentioned that some people said they didn't pay for a better rating, but still had a good/high one, for example Just-Dice and Ice-Dice. Giving Just-Dice a bad rating is just stupid, but he could have given Ice-Dice a bad rating (because they are new and stuff), but didn't. Because, well, that is something people should think about too.

Anyhow time will catch up with them and other low blow companies within a few days / weeks.

It is already catching up with you Alan. You never clarified why you claimed relations to SBR and then publicly stated you didn't have any. Did you lie to me in private or did you lie to everyone else in public? Which one is it?

What are you blabbing about? Your lies are catching up with you not us :) Again I have been a resource of SBR for many years and SBR has done some marketing with us. Is that what you want to hear? Your agenda is old and weak at best. Sorta like when you lied about are provable verification page located at http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/provably-fair-verification/ (http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/provably-fair-verification/)

I guess he refers to the following:

contradictory statements.

Apart from selling links and SEO services, and paying for articles, what does your screenshot post intend to prove?

Half of the things he writes are incomprehensible, but I think he's trying to show you that everything he posts on his website is paid for, and therefore should not be trusted.

I'm going to bump this old thread because it needs to be seen since Alan is running his scam still :)