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it seems that these are the level where prices are not going to dump further downwards.... thanks to hodlers...

HODLERS doesn't want to get their profit below their expected price. Like in bitcoin, we've seen it moved up rapidly and it reached ATH. By the time it went down further, there's no other reason for a HODLER to sell at the bottom so everyone is holding now. And also thanks to those whales who are preventing the further dip because they are the ones that is giving big impact to the market.

Agree. If you are a hodler, you don't have a reason to sell your portfolio when there is a dip. You bought your coins because you want profit so you must hold until the end when you can get something from your investments.

I have coins that I won't sell anytime soon. Diversify your portfolio so you can sell the coins that you have but only a small amount of it because you know that you will want to have some coins left in case the price goes up.

Yes there is enough buy support at these levels which can absorb some level of dump but if there will be another big sell off than those buy orders might get eaten and we might go even further down.

However chance of surge is quite high right now.

I have watched my portfolio go down and further down. From my past experience, anytime I sold a coin, it shoots up in folds and as a result I have decided not to sell any of my coins.  My portfolio is currently bad but I’m still holding, a better day will surely come

Because the majority of the holders are believing in the long-term process. Just like those have bought the major altcoin at ico and then they are keeping it more than some years later and then they have become a winner right now with thousands of profit. But the whales make the speculation becomes more difficult to predict. Whales always try to make holders worry about that.

I hope that is the case but there are instances when a better day doesn't come(like what happens to most of the shitcoins out there). Just hold only when you think your coins still has potential to reach the price you want to sell into but if not, just find a good exit point and you will be fine.
If holder really believes in the long term process then he wouldn't be fazed even if whales frequently manipulates what they hold, in fact it might become a blessing to them in the end of the day as whales sometimes creates good sell points.

that it the essence of holding you should not sell when the price that you acquire your coin is too low from the price of now you will not be able to gain after , you should know when to sell or if you cant prevent yourself to sell you better sell some part not all of your coins so that if the price goes up again you still have coin .

Actually it's also depend on the project it self. The coin will not have value if no one want to buy it or you can't do anything with those coins. If the project of those coin is still runs good then the price will not down. But the holders are also have important role in price stabilization of thoSe coin.

Prices can go to unimaginable levels. There's always an invisible hand playing there. Low volume selloffs are nothing new in crypto.

Holders are out of the equation when the market swings. They are neither buying or selling anyway.

Actually, all the holders do not want the price to drop, but they can keep with their tokens, they need funds to keep that. So I think this is a signal that market will recover soon.

Really true. If not with the patient hodlers, cryptos would have plummeted down. Just take as an example some ICOs that after releasing the bounty payments, their coin price suddenly drops a day after when the bounty hunters started dumping their coins. That is why a lot of ICOs try to freeze the coins until 2-3 months to help the price. They didnt realize that if they just hold long enough, they might get triple of more profit if they hodl.

Fluctuaction of crypto so high more over token just entered the market with low volume will be like pump dump, so will be good idea to trade it to take profit and avoid any lose. Hold actuallly bad idea because all crypto so high volatility.

Holding is a double edge sword. A lot of people already earned a lot from holding, but a there are also holding (and even mining) coins that are already dead and there's nothing they can do about. The best coins to hold are those at least in the top list with huge volume and market cap, other than that, especially coins from ICOs which you can't be sure or, might as well sell when it is still high.

Exactly! For as long as there is a strong and resilient community of Bitcoin hodlers, the price of Bitcoin will never go down rock bottom. This is the thing that prevents the demand from going to an all time low. But then again we need a much bigger community of Bitcoin hodlers as there will always be some who are shifting to altcoins and some are selling. In the end, hodling will always win. The hodlers will be rewarded with more profit than those who have weaker hands.

Yeah holders really play and help stabilization of some coins. Massive dumping of coins gives panic to investors how ever good your project is. This happens a lot when payments from bounties are unloaded into the market and all you can see is sell orders becoming lower, really kills the coins.

I believe there are hodlers from before november, but I expect prices to go back down to pre-december levels and then start a slower climb. The ones I think are hodling are those who got in during december's rise and bought bitcoin above 10k.

I was lucky enough to sell my alts when they were around their ATH.   I sold most and left the rest in my wallet and don't really worry about the price.  I got my money back, and made a pretty good profit.  So technically, I'm hodling, but only about 3-4 coins. 

The rest I'm trying to get those ICO coins that I couldn't get into earlier as they come on the exchanges. 

I will say though, I made a pretty good profit vs. what I invested, I bought mining equipment and at these prices it'll take longer to pay those things off than I was expecting.  But they are generating revenue.   

So I'm hoping the prices go up enough to where I can sell my earnings to pay off the rigs. Then, the price can fluctuate all day long and I'll be dippity do da fine.


So I'm hoping for around a 13-15k bitcoin.   Beyond that, thrilled.

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Right now the market are slowly recovering, the value of bitcoin and altcoins are slow increasingly. I still holding my token and wait for the price going to high. Hold is better than sell.

Of course, holders are the most supportive of a certain project. When someone hold,  the supplies becomes limited and prices will stabilizes or become expensive. Holders  has big  roles and I do believe they should be rewarded :) like what happens to ethereum, they have free tokens to holders. Also it is automatic to POS holders, they het rewarded as an interest if hold for a certain time.

Yes agree
but all that requires knowledge and experience is very populous in order to avoid the panic as it happens today.
the market is currently unstable, even tends to fall. but with the knowledge one can overcome the deep losses.

The most important thing is not to leave the big players who are buying everything in a row. Then perhaps we will be expected to collapse, as others begin to sell after them.            

I also think that the market will soon begin to recover, I keep the tokens until the market grows in price. To keep the tokens long, you need to have a good nervous system looking at how the market is behaving unstable. I'm sometimes very worried about whether my investments will bring profit

Holding token is so risky, make it sure that the developer of the token and their team is was always active via joining telegram group. Unlike holding trusted coins like bitcoin and those top 5 altcoins. Yes, holding is something you find a perfect time to have a huge profit, so waiting a right time is a good decision at the same time we will help to down price in the market.

yes, it is very low right now and token holders are preventing prices from falling further

Of course when a good population of holders don't avail their coins for sale, the supply is limited hence the prices regulated. they are playing a very crucial role and its my hope that the market will recover again soon enough, this deep has sent too much panic waves already.

I still did not sell, I think prices will rise and I do not intend to sell low price

Yes, this is true. Sometimes it is good to trade, and sometimes it is prudent to hold instead.

Prices stop dropping once there is no-one who is willing to sell, and there are only day traders left trying to play against one another.

I agree thanks to all us holders, not selling anytime soon.

Personally I don't know those who are crashing the prices of these tokens, there are alot of theory, some said the whales are indeed manipulating the price, but what what a concern to me is the prices of new coins just entering the market, like Cofi, Insight Network, Adshares etc.

yes to hold the price down further you better resist for a long time, because this is in the world of crypto it is common and the movement of the crypto is very fluctuating and significant.

Yes that is the spirit, when all of us hold our coins there will be no coins in the market to buy and the price will push up or stabilized and ready to go up again. The holders are the friends of the market.

I think now we have passed the stage of the bottom and the market begins to return to the previous channel. This will have a positive impact on the influx of new investments and the growth of coin prices.

I think by this HODL put in place by every Bitcoinners, Bitcoin integrity is being sustained and maintained till it arrives at the stage where its scalability and stability is been proven and achieved. I also go by thanking the Big Whales in the field. At least, this is giving us good assurances of Bitcoin coming back retrieving its lost glory over some period now.

That optimism you expressed was yesterday, we having seen a lots if red today! Holding is one of the reason for stability but there are other factors too. When unfavourable decision are made against cryptocurrency it create an atmosphere of uncertainty!

Yes, it can be so, but every holder has his limit, falling has to stop soon, if not, I think that even the most dedicated wouldn't withstand.

the recent price drops of all altcoins and bitcoin hurts almost all of hodlers. It will go further down i guess because some of holders will cut their losses and sell some of their coins.

In my opinion, the larger impact has whales. But you are right, hodlers do not selling theirs coins below expected price thanks to which the price does not fall below, it is positive impact

The panic is given and it has been startled as always by the new crypto investors. With my experience to bitcoin for few years those losses that I've been are recovered within few times when bitcoin's price went up rapidly. About the stability of bitcoin, new crypto investors should know that the risk they are taking isn't that low.

if the value held by the hodler is smaller, and the sales value is more, I think the price will continue to drops.

apple founder has sold all the bitcoins, and of course, it will make the bitcoin value become drops. like today, bitcoin is in the $ 7000.

I disagree, as not the holders decide where the market goes, the price of the tokens are shown the actual price (no demand), that means there is a big problem for cryptocurrency as everyone is waiting for regulations from the government and G20 Summit this week I think. Be patient everyone, it is going to be a tough year!

Hodlers are going to end up waiting for more than a year. If they are not going to dump right now, as a result the price can get lower than it is as those whales are going to keep dumping until you panic. You can either give them what they want, sell your BTC and tokens to them or get rich with them when they finally buy back.

Not all holders continue to hold their coins, some holders keep selling their coins to avoid much loss becuase that is what they are thinking. They are afraid that prices will continue to go down.

HODLERS does not want to lose money, so most of the time they will have faith, but the market will tell them, faith is not valuable, then at the right time to sell tokens is the right decision.

Today is a major bloodbath for everything, even worse than the Feb crash... really hope the hodlers stay strong and keep hodling. Would hate to see the prices drop even more...

When the holder feel tired then the price will dump again even deeper.
I hope the holder can stay strong facing this bad condition. Only the strong people can survive in this bearish market. Stop panic and make the price better.

The price seems like start to decreasing again. But what you said is true, if we keep holding it, the price will sustain.
The whales could make the price worse, but if we are the holders unite, we can keep the price together.

Yeah i my self  willing to hold and even buy bitcoin even if
It reaches to 1$, holders will always the steady line  that is  saving bitcoin from the panic selling that's happening right Now

Yes, there is no reason to sell altcoins for such cheap prices like now. But, if BTC will continue to fall, then more and more hodlers will panic and sell their alts for the cheapest prices.

But it may better to sell them as a high as you can. The market is really unpredictable especially with so many ponzi and scam coins which destroyed the credibility of cryptocurrency itself. My thought that we will see bitcoin worth below $7 again and then it will be jumping again to above 11k in the future. This just like a money game dude.

I afraid of hodlers selling time. It seems nowadays they are going to dump all coins they hold.
We are one step forward to the biggest crash of crypto market. We will see further down in few days.

In fact those who keep their coins in the system deserve a separate gratitude. They allow to keep the price more or less stable.

Exactly this is the point where one can bear something.When price reach equivalent to buying price one must have to hold it.Now the price has reached to such level that it can not go down further so the swing time is coming but hodlers wil have to wait for some time to recover the market.Currently everyone is hodling no one is ready to sell,only big whale they may affect the market in some case,but we are really thankful to hodlers due to which further downfall in price is cut.

they did nothing actually. holders are not preventing the price to go down, the whale does. but holding a lot of coin will hurt if the price keep declining. some holders sell their token to cut losses.

True. Its usually the holders that prevent the prices from falling any further. The support levels we see while trading in any crypto currencies in the market at particular points are usually the buy orders that are placed by the new investors. I would say it’s the new investors that prevent from falling of prices further more, but its also the holders for sure as they hold the coin and don’t dump them therefore preventing the support level from breaking. So its said, HODL and everything will be good.

True. There is no one that would like to sell their holding for lose, everyone in the crypto market is here to make profit. There are some weak hands in crypto world though, that usually panic when the price drops and do panic sell and regret later.

But experienced people usually hold their coins until they have profit. Though, whales are responsible to hold the price of bitcoins, but many times they are also responsible for the dumps and dips that are seen in the market. We don’t need to thank them, they just manipulate the market as per their needs to gain profit.

I have coins that I hold for the long term and won‘t sell them soon. Diversify your portfolio and sell those coins/projects which you are not more believin.

I wont sell my coin/token if I am loss. I am prefer hold it untill market recover and up again. Right now many people investing their money on crypto even Goldman Sachs bought crypto exchanger, that convince me that crypto market will more bigger

It's the fact that we are all in the crypto market to make profit. Before it was different, when I was quite new everyone isn't investing for the profit but investing for the technology that they believe will bloom in the future. But the time is changing and presently, everyone is looking to chase down for profit. And if you are for it, you better not follow the path of those people who are in panic today and starting to make the world in fear because of statements that are only favoring them.

I agree with that, the market will be worse without the holders.

When the market is running low, a good investor and trader never sells his/her holding and HODL them until the market recovers and sees a bullish trend. A good trader always buys cryptos when others are selling and always sell them when others are buying. This ensures sure and significant profit in every dip. Diversifying the total investment is always wise thing to do.

Rather than taking risk in single coin and investing whole amount in it, it’s recommended to divide the investment in atleast 3-5 coins, so that we can even gain profit as well as be secure and less worried about the investment.

But holder can be panic sell also when the price to much down trend and too many bad news , so good news and positif public opinion about cryptocurrency is important to increasing the demand. As day trader we can still make profit in this current situation of market, just take profit between 5 to 7% and use cut loss strategy.

Yes it seems so and that's actually is stabilizing the crypto currencies. I think 2018 is to hold some good coins till the end of the year if you want to have a good profit.

I expect it to pause here and restore it. The red market makes us feel insecure and can not invest in it. BTC 11.5k was previously expected and many have bought. and now we need to wait for the market to return. I think it's quite time consuming.

Yeah I think it's gonna go up one of these days as well.

Besides, can you blame the hodlers? they're just playing it safe. ;D

Is a big dip & no idea when it will pump… a little stability of Bitcoin shows that majority don’t want to cell there acids in this blood bath. And everyone is waiting for a positive pump to get something from their coins.

Me too holding my coins but unfortunately my portfolio going down day by day…but still am hoping for a good recovery.

Holders are the one who really saves from prices crashing. We must do something too like a return of what holders have done. Me may also learn how to hold to but first we must buy some coin and hold it to prevent price going down.

Some people get panicked when the price is down and they start selling their coins, so the price goes down even further. If you don't sell your coins and hold them then the price wouldn't down further and it would be good for all.

This suggests that people believe in the future of the Cryptocurrency and do not want to sell them prematurely.

yes you are right, Those newbies are making the price do irrational move. But we can't blame them. This is happening on every market :)

It's not the holders who make the price fluctuating so much, it's traders. They make money exploiting it to their benefit and I don't blame them because the "harm" from their actions is only ephemeral. Most holders can't be so cool to buy more coins when the market is red, but what they can do though is restraining from panic selling, which will hardly affect the market much, but it will surely affect their own profits in a positive way.

I think it is not holders. Usually MM (whales) make the biggest speculations at the market. At present total criptocurrency capitalization is 325 billion $. It is very low and MM understand it. MM will not push market down without any limitations.

the vacuum of hodlers are very important  in every supply and demand chain(business) ,so is nice to understand the market then u can hodle i could remember a roommate of my who holded an importation business(on his product) and made almost 300thousand dollars of profit. within 4months.

There is no one who want to sell the coins below their expectation or wishes. Holders doesn't want to lose the profit if they sell the coin when the price is low or down. They, of course, are prefer to hold and keep their coins safety even for a long time than selling it. Once they make a decision to sell it when the market is red, they will lose much the profit.

Well they really are the reason why coins have their resistances, but if a coin is really that good and has specific functions then hodling might now help at all with the dynamic change or volatility of that specific coin.

I agree with you. Holding a coin will minimize our losses. I have some altcoins whose prices keep falling down to the bottom. I will keep holding it until the price is high again.

hodler is a person who can withstand bad circumstances. if he will not do anything with his assets if not yet get a profit

That’s right. Though there are support levels for a coin, major sell off must also be avoided in order to stop the price of the coin from falling even further and to put an end to major sell offs, people must hold their coins and not dump them.

If people HODL instead of dumping, crypto will recover shortly and see bullish trend. If there were no short term traders and everyone believed in crypto currencies, there would have been consistent and significant rise of coin in terms of price as well as coin market cap. All that people need to do is HODL and wait for the price to increase again as money pours in and new investors come.

You don't wanna have 100% loss, so to prevent this, you have to hold your coins... Holders should hold there coins to prevent going down 👇 in the market. It's high time we grew again.

but holding will only be effect if you got many bitcoin to hold , somehow even a little will help price to be stable but holding doesnt make the price goes up again like the past all time high price . Holder should make a move to circulate the coin in the market and make the price goes up again.

The same is true with other new coins. The Hodlers also have helped to keep the coins from falling free. Trading in a panic will only bring greater losses.
that's why I always keep my coins up to the next few years.

There will always be HODLERS no matter since many crypto community members like me understand that the main of the coins and tokens at the moment are highly undervalued and it would be much profitable to HODL their coins for the long term. The lightning network integration will help drive prices up in the near future which is something that I am eagerly looking forward to. I am expecting Bitcoin to touch $40k and Ethereum to touch $2000 by the end of this year. This is my optimistic view of this situation.

The more you have HODLER the more the market demand for the coin will be high and it will lead to high in price, so HOLDER always make price to go up while flippers makes price to go down.

Yes, Hold prevents prices from falling, but people who panic - a very large number, and it turns out that such people are more at the moment, because the market at the moment is "red."

Holders really helps the market recover as they keep the demand high by buying and holding bitcoins. We must all support bitcoin during dump season and instead of panic selling we should learn how to trust and continue investing if we can. I really believe big players has something to do with the current fluctuations that we experience.

Of course, holders and masternodes are doing it`s job.
They do prevent price dump..
They are/will be rewarded for it.
Smart people will always be rewarded, then weak hand panics.

BTW, this HODL has turned into cheap joke already, not funny anymore.
Using it in every post and everytime - does indicate on low IQ, IMHO..

Thanks to them, coins prices didnt fall. Some holder sold their coins because they expect that price will go down and down, they dont want to gain more lossses if it will continue to fall. But they dont know what will be the benefit of holding the coins for the future.

holders take all the risk in terms of losing something in the future, but it is more that 5% to take that loss mostly they are getting more profits from the time they hold it until to skyrockets, so im also thankful, that all holders are more patience to hold their assets for a very long term and it will also prevent the very deep dip in the market.

There's no guarantee that it will minimize our losses but with experienced holders. There's no lost if you'll just stay calm and hold your coins. You don't have to get along with the hype of negativity today. The market is negative so what you will do? Ride and sell your coins? No. Wait again for the market to rise up and that's the right time you'll finally decide if you want to gain profit then sell if not keep on holding. The logic is very simple but its hard to execute when you let your emotion plays you.

My goal is that if you do not will need me the price I will not sell until I get them.

Yes, it's true. Cryptocurrencies rest on the holders' shoulders. Sounds funny but still. Without the strong believing community, cryptocurrencies or any other currency is nothing.

I also believe price will return to normal again do not panic because it is now down.

Panic became the main cause they stopped failing to hold their assets.
this is because there is no regulation that can withstand the decline in prices. I think they are reasonable because bitcoin values can be destroyed in an instant and vice versa, this is the meaning of decentralization.

I thought that bottom was on Saturday;) but nope this wasn't bottom) this was just little respite) now I'm hodler) don't want to miss fast growth)

In a way, this statement is correct. The more people are holding Bitcoin and not ready to get rid of it, the fewer guys can get it for cheap. Thus, BTC is not going to the bottom and stays the most valuable cryptocurrency.

Hopefully, now we have passed the stage of the bottom, and the market begins to return to the previous state. This will help investors decide to invest in new projects and coin prices will rise.

for now....price of bitcoin did not go below 6500 ......hodlers are hodling ...

I agree. HODLERS are preventing prices going down further. Only 36% of all Bitcoin coins was marked in any transactions and payment transactions. All the remaining coins, about 64% of their total number have never been used. I think it's real Hodlers. These are the Hodlers who piously believe that bitcoin is future money. It is they who hold the market drop to 0.

I'm sure the problems we face are a belief from for beginners, as they tend to instantly sell their coins and are afraid to do hold

Not only holders but those people that who believed these coins are too oversold that is why they have started to buy more cheaper coins which really helps the market to recover,those people who sold at losses are probably have a lot of headaches ! because holders will always win the bloody market and those weak hands will always do panic selling.

I am a Hodler so I believe that soon enough in the near future or next few weeks or months crypto market will recover from it's massive deficit and dropping so then I would earn higher profits as reward as being a Hodler.
Holding my Crypto Assets will keep them safe and I never sell even a single coin because I know that their price values are too small from it's potential price value in the future.
Holding my Crypto Assets will offer me higher opportunities of earning massive amount of money in the next few months when the Crypto market recovers back to it's normal state like his first month of the year (January)

I don't agree that panic sellers are often crypto beginners because I am too a beginner in this forum and this Crypto market but I choose to hold because it's the only way to keep safe my Crypto Assets and earn higher earnings when the Crypto market recovers.
some of my friends are ahead of me but the keep on selling their coins due to they have no full time job and somehow they're only relying on crypto earnings so I think being a beginner in this Crypto market doesn't mean I have higher possibilities of not holding my Crypto Assets but sell them off out of panic.
it depends on the situations because if you had already earned enough and you need money badly or for emergency purposes then that the possible reason why more people dumped their Crypto Assets.

Yes, if everyone is holding his or her token then we will not have price dump but some are even so desperate to sell at loss. The best solution for market recovery is to hold our tokens.

Of course holders will stabilize the market,and those buyers from the dips are going to pump the market up and these whales or big players are going to buy a lot of cheap coins whenever the market has shrink too much that is how the things works in the market and we should know how to adopt in any situation so that we wont get panic everytime the market has started to fail!

The price of coins is really related to it's market cap. Thanks God a lot of people stoked their panic. And we see ups and Downs instead of red everyday

Sure hodl is a good choice. But in this market with cheap ETH, I gladly exchange my altcoins for ETH. Although I do not have much profit with altcoins but I get a lot of ETH in return which I would not get otherwise.

I agree with that, the market will be worse without the holders.

Yes, we must thank these people for it. I suppose that a hodler is a person that is holding a coin (for instance, Bitcoin) for more than 1-2 years. This is a kind of a guarantee that BTC price will not ever fall critically.

In order for the price not to drop lower it is necessary that the supply of coins be counterbalanced by the demand. Holders do not affect this. You have to say thank you to the buyers of coins.

Not only holders but those buyers from the bottom which drives the prices to go up again because without them there will be no one to adjust or starting buying from the market,most of the sellers are dominant whenever a bloobath happen that is why market's faith would be in hands of these people who are buying from the dips.

Not only holders but those buyers from the bottom which drives the prices to go up again because without them there will be no one to adjust or starting buying from the market,most of the sellers are dominant whenever a bloobath happen that is why market's faith would be in hands of these people who are buying from the dips.
[/quote]Totally ageed,because if these people wont start buying whenever the bottom has been reached,we are going to collapse and that is for sure,without these buyers the market wont recover or start recovering because most of the people wont stop selling their coins in panic causing more damages to the market.

 Hey Man !  I agree at 30%. I think most of the HODlers, are those people who invested before 2017 and early 2017 like me. A lot of newbies came on the market to make instant profit without learning basic or interest of project. The hype around crypto was massive.  The big boys ( Finance ) jump on it too, pumped the market. Most of the newbies came at the high of the market FOMO. And the market crashed, because of the market manipulation, FUD etc.... I do not think HODLER can prevent prices for going down. Whales are already in the game, and do what they have to do  for making profit.  This is my personal point of you, in a simple way

While Nobuaki Kobayashi did not sell the next batch of bitcoins with Mt Gox prices can hold and will not go so far lower.

Now we see the market is returning and recovering thanks to holdlers...  The dumping should stop in some days now

I think we should hold them, holding your altcoin is the act of helping altcoin prices rise again, today the market has grown again, a good sign for investors holding the altcoin .