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1. The process of sending merit seems a bit annoying. You've to go through another web-page and select number of merit to be sent and then send it. IMO, it'd be better if it could be sent just by clicking "+Merit" button right within the thread.

2. It'd be much better if you guys allow only one merit by the merit-sender per post. This will reduce fake-merit-exchange or fake-merit-giving. There're people sending tens of their merits to a single post which clearly seems like something fishy.

just like watch button, its open a small applet asking for how much you want to give and then click Send to complete it

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I agree to #1

But disagree to #2. What if a post is really good and you feel like you want to award more than one merit? I feel like posts should receive an equal amount of merits as how good that post is.

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It won't.

Well if the post is really good, then at least there should be a limit of merit. If not limited to one, then maybe maximum two or three. More than that number of merit just for one post by one single person doesn't really make any sense at all.


That's exactly what I thought of.


Any good reason?

Obviously the abusers will just send those merits one by one to each post. Like you said in OP, allowing them to send big amount at once could make it easier for others to notice the abuse.

Yeah, there should be a way to give merit without leaving the page. Maybe clicking it multiple times moves the merit up by one each time. I disagree about only allowing one merit per post though as a person writing a very detailed and constructive guide probably deserves more merit than just someone who makes a short but informative post. Besides, it's probably easy to spot abuses when people are giving a shit load of merit out for posts that probably don't really deserve it.

Allowing only one merit per post would result in the spammers/merit abusers creating 50 posts to each receive 1 merit from their alt accounts instead of receiving 50 merit on a single post. It could paradoxically increase spam.

Regarding #2, i don't think it will solve the purpose. Let's say that one post is allowed to have only one merit per sender, but there is a other workaround which involves sending merits to all the different posts of the user just to ensure that fake merits are given. Moreover there are some high quality posts which does provide such good insights that members having huge number of merits do want to give away more for it. Fake merits will be done irrespective of a post's quality or any conditions applied.

If its a interesting/extremely good post which brings some good knowledge to the forum, even a 100 merits may be less and if its a shit post even 1 merit is way more than that person should ever get.

Yeah!! Specially for those member who have multiple accounts,  they tend to give merits to their other accounts just to meet the new requirements in joining some signature campaign, even though the post or reply is not informative still, it get merits.

The current system seems to work for me, and it avoids making merit awards accidentally,

I agree that the max award should be reduced. I suggested a max of 2 per post per member.

What does this have to do with this topic?

Posters like you, that don't care about anyone but themselves, will not go far in this forum anymore.  :/

If I recall correctly, somebody posted here about this before you did and they had developed some add-on something for this. Which will lead to a popup for sending merits - not a complete new page for it.

EDIT - found it was posted in this thread already - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833350.0

Also what you are saying implies a fixed amount of merit to every click of the +merit button. You should clarify this in OP.

Are you saying that only one person can merit a post? After that nobody can merit it? If thats what you mean to say then I disagree to this.Many threads and posts here are worth meriting and they deserve merits.

Also isnt it indirectly allowing alt-rings to get caught? ;)


You forced me to to add your username to my "Ignore" list. I am sure Jet Cash will also do the same. Go away from this forum.

:)

I'm trying to be a bit more benign at the moment, but there still seems to be a bit of merit begging going on.

We've got some excellent technical posters here. I'd like to see an expansion in the macro-economic discussions as well, but any such thread seems to be overrun with low level posting. We are going through some massive changes at the moment - the recent announcement by Google is just one example of this. I think I'm going to discout all of the discussions on the merit system, and try to encorage quality posting about the effects of Bitcoin and crypto in the world economy.

I think this was already resolved.


I think limiting the merits given by a merit-sender should be limited, but not one merit only. I would agree with Jet Cash, I would say two is better. Posts may be classified in two- good post and great post. I think that would be enough to tell a post was indeed constructive, precise or straight to the point and indeed helpful and informative or just simply right and informative.

It won`t reduce face-merit-giving, because nothing prevents people from clicking on the button several times for different posts and sending more than one merit. This will take more time than now, but it certainly will not stop those who send 10 or more merits. There are a lot of questions to the merit system, it is not perfect, but it's impossible to solve them all at once. I think that not much time has passed to see, analyze and correct the shortcomings of the system.

Number two I guess is not right, somewhat if you really want to give your merit. To some one like giving a ten merits to someone, perhaps that person want that person with a good post to be promote to the next rank because of that single post but qualified one.. It's up to. The giver how many he give....

Merits are not renewable at a level. If you exhaust your merits on one post, you cannot reward again if you are still on the same level.
Also with exception of Jr member, no single person has enough merit points to effect a rank up. So giving more merits score to one post is harmful.
I think the forum worked on this merit system very well taken into consideration most of these fears.

1) This is most probably to prevent cases when someone may send merits by mistake. By asking for a confirmation on new page, this is prevented. Since merits are scarce, we cannot afford it to be spend by mistake.

2) I agree with this to some extent. Allowing someone to send up to 50 merit points for a single post is simthing I cannot understand. Only reason I can think is that it was intentional to catch members sending merits in bulk to alt accounts.

I doesn't find it annoying unless our internet connection was poor. What seems most annoying to me is when I saw a merited poor quality post. But I bit agree that there should be a limit when meriting a post to avoid or even lessen not fake merits (because it can still be given at a lower rate), rather, the ability of giving high counts of merits to poor quality post. We, cannot totally avoid giving of fake merits of someone to someone but we can avoid a high-counts of fake merits at the end.

This. @hilariousetc's modified suggestion of the OP should be heard and read.

Hey OP, edit your post and add this there so in case theymos would go here in the Meta and would read the topic then he can see this right away.

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I'm not really annoyed that much with another window popping up when giving merits but this would be convenient if implemented.

That isn't true. Leaving aside the merit sources, sMerits are generated as a result of members being awarded merits. I haven't changed levels, but I must have given away getting on for 200 sMerits.

When it comes to the frog pond and economics boards the only way to have decent thread is to start it yourself and make it self-moderated. Even then it will get overrun with shitposts while you're asleep.

It is really true that the purpose for which merit system was introduced is not being fulfilled completely . It seems like the users always find some way or another to benefit themselves . Many of the users are giving merits to their other accounts and just trading it to upgrade their accounts and rank .
I have seen many users giving 20-30 merits to one some accounts for just one post .
Also the new window opened by merit is not a very good interface , so making it "only one " merit will be a better option .

I agree with #1, we need an easier way to send merit. Preferably on the same page and without any third party scripts.

I think that #2 is not really good since a post may deserve more merits than the other and the abusers would still be able to go around it by sending it to multiple posts.


A max of two merits per post would still be a bit drastic.

I would propose using 5 as a max. I remember a lot of websites used to have the "5 star" rating of something in place at some point (and I think many still have it). So, this way you could send 1 merit if the post is decent and 5 merits if the posts is excellent.

Your suggestions are cool especially the first one. It's somewhat tiring having to go through another website before merits can be given. If they can just do it to be like facebook or Ingram like which is one just a click it will be better. To me, I think there should be no limitationas to how many merits can be given per post. It should be open and people can give as they want based on how moved they were or how insightful the post merited

Indeed it is annoying, there should be a small tab instead of a whole new window to send merits.

"Merit" are used to rate the post according to the efforts of user, this will be quite unfair if you want to keep a good, very good and excellent post on the same level.
It will not reduce fake-merit exchange, however it will decrease the impact of merit system on the forum.
Merit system is useless if it will be treated as "Like" button.

merit is not a good way to handle with the problems that shall be solved, it just simply will cause another question and do nothing help to reduce the scam posts, because there are many high rank members post scams to hunt bounties

This will increase the chance of double sending merits. I think its good idea if there is a confirmation first before sending.

For me it is not suspicious if they send 10 to a high quality content some sends 20 but if its reasonable I dont find it suspicious, and if they change the rules of merit system to this maybe we cant identify now who abuses the system.

Merit is of course helping the forum in a number of ways. New members are making a lot of constructive posts and in many cases they are leaving even senior members behind in terms of getting merits. Regarding senior ranks still making useless posts for bounties, this is true only for some members. However, we are seeing initiatives taken by campaign managers where they are giving more pay to members having some earned merits  for all ranks.

I tend to see the good in letting the click go to another page where the sender's merit stock is displayed. If we want it to remain on same page, will it still display what sMerit the sender has before sending out?


Having a limitation of 2 merit per post no matter how good and mellifluous the constructiveness of the post is will take away the reward for in-depth response and analysis. It will contra-work with the aim of the Merit system which is to up constructive posting. We shouldn't be stingy about this thing. It's not like it is sending $$ to a live account. It is just an encouragement mechanism.

I do not know how it is annoying for you that another page opens up. I mean if you also want to post a thread or comment on another one, you will go through the same process. It is just one page that contains how many merit points you have. And as for the second suggestion, there are many interesting posts that cannot be rewarded with only one merit point. Sometimes, equality is unfair if you ask me.

Yes, I agree with you mate. Sometimes there is a post that deserving to have not only 1 smerit, but I think they have set a limitation on giving smerit a maximum of five smerits in a single post is probably fair for those having effort of the good quality post or reporting someone cheated in this forum. I have also noticed that equality is unfair on this forum or having biased.

We're opposite. In #1, I don't think it's necessary to change the system on how you send a merit because redirecting to another web page is not a hassle at all (maybe it does if you have a slow internet connection).

In #2,  Actually, giving couple of smerits is not bad because the more smerits you send only implicates that you more appreciate one's post. But what happening right now is many members of this forum use this as a gateway for the benefit of their own that's why I also agree in "1 merit per post" somehow.

If it is that good, then it will receive merits from more than one source. Having a maximum for individual rewards slightly reduces the probability of abuses in my opinion.

For option number one I do not agree because if implemented in accordance with point 1 then it will be able to generate errors like wrong clicks, for me the current condition is to reduce errors because the system is like a confirmation that states that we will send merit or not.

For the second point I quite agree because then we can reduce the risk of cheating that can happen, so the point merit sent only 1 and can not be more. It will make someone have the same opportunity to get merit because Smerit owned by someone is not easy to run out.

Overall we are still in the development stage of the application of the current merit system, for me this is good enough and we have to wait some time ahead to see the results. In fact we can already see the reduced spammers and scammers, but we also have to look at the data and also see what will happen. The final analysis will determine how successful the implementation of this merit system is and if necessary it may be an update and also a new regulation in the very necessary to improve this system. I and we all support the enactment of this system and this is a way to get a much better change for the development of the Bitcointalk.org forum.

I don't deny the fact that merit system has contributed positive effects to the forum over 2 months after its launch. The system should keep continuing its operations this way. However, I have a doubt that newcomers who can contribute high quality posts come from alt accounts of Hero/ Ledgandary :)