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can i get the telegram link ?

Hi there! Well, well! Thanks for the early interest! We are still very much in set-up phase at the moment and are only just getting around to implementing the community features that the ICO will revolve around. We probably will be hosting a Telegram at some point, but given a part of our product is a customised IM platform (should be ready on Wed) we are not overly concerned to get this going immediately as ours will hopefully be just as user-friendly and it would be great to get to get part of the product going well before the end of the ICO!! We will update here with more developments as they come.  :D

Stumbled randomly across this searching through endless rounds of new coins. Digital notes! Metacurrencies! This won't stay quiet for long!

Damn this project looks like it's going to be YUUUGEE! When is the launch? Is that the Bank of England event?

Looks like a lot of OPs will be getting a ticket to London now! Nice refreshing change to have the tokens backed by the pounds like Tether but under a regulated company. Gonna buy some before the others start to snap them up to the moon.

Best of luck, not that you guys are gonna need much of it ...

The Bank of England event is when the platform itself actually goes live but various bits of it will emerge in demo form before that point. You can always e-mail us at 3@Dunaton.com if you have any questions or problems (all Dunaton.com e mails are numeric).

I am very confident that your project will succeed because I see in the announcement of the project is very promising and I will see the progress before I enroll myself in bounty twitter from this project

Wait, have you sold $8 million of tokens already? When was the presale?

re Bouties: we will be announcing generous Bounties soon and we are looking for as many Bounty hunters as possible so that is great!

re: presale, the Founder has put in 5.8 million pounds, which is about $8m, in cash himself to get the thing started. He is a notable name in China business.

waiting for bounty campaign

this ico looks like it has a lot of potential!
how many tokens are you planning to generate for the ico?

21,000,000. The White Paper explains a lot more in technical detail. It works just like bitcoin except that you are able to get back whatever you spent on it at the end too!

Even better when the ones in charge put money in themselves. And if it is Fiat backed that's also good. Damn, what a good way to run an ICO. Wish more were run like this. Happy you guys came along, look forward to updates! Thanks.

That awesome big team, big vision , Also I see many partner. Interesting project for sure !

OK, details for bounties can also be obtained at the general enquiry address 3@Dunaton.com or by pinging us here at Bitcointalk for now. We will have a Bounty schedule together some point today. There will basically be per coins for post bumps, Tweets, Reddits, Facebook posts etc. So whatever you do, hand in the evidence of work done and the coins (backed by pounds that convert 5/1 to DNA which are the Digital Notes) are yours. The bounty will include extra bonuses for posts etc that get wider audiences too. Blogs will get around 10x what a post gets in payment per blog. Any other suggestions are also welcome.

What makes your project different between other similar projects?

Good question!

It is a 3 dimensional currency. This means while MNY may be used as a form of transaction cash, it also pays out just like an investment!

I've studied the road map and I'm pleased to see that the work will be done in a short time, compared to other projects.

Mainly that is because the actual tech is already built. It is in use by professional traders for precious metals and other contracts. Autilla has a private Ethereum gold provenance Blockchain too, so the back end and the front end are built, it is simply a process of reconfiguration for the crypto/metacurrency markets. This is why we can afford to back the DCATs with the pounds too. Of the ICOs we have studied, we have found that it's sort of reverse in cryptocurrencies to how it works in generalised industry in that if it doesn't work quickly in cryptocurrency markets, it doesn't tend to work AT ALL, so making sure implementation was at a knife-point is a crucial "must" when it comes to ICOs.

IMHO this is how all ICOs should look, with this sort of ready-for-market product. The product on the website looks awesome so this is going to beat a lot of exchanges 'specially with the partners and the BoE launch! What I like is that it's a security token exchange but also in some way not JUST security tokens so crypto guys can play. Also having read about half the white paper its clear that you guys know what this market is about and is not just selling the idea of "shares on the blockchain" but it seems something more crypto-like, metacurrencies ... nice job, so far good answers and very nice presentation! Impressed!

The level of response is very encouraging, thanks again. Any questions you can e-mail us any time and any suggestions or willingness to help for the token rewards e mail us at 3@Dunaton.com - we have an excellent service response team in place so everything is dealt with in a timely and friendly manner. This should be a lot of fun!

I am looking to invest a little over $200,000 or so across 10 ICOs this year; after ETH tanked recently I am down from maybe 8x that. Part of me has been thinking that the value or lack of value in crypto is a problem so this does look interesting. Shortlisted, thanks.

Ok, there is now a Discord up and running: https://discord.gg/G6denjW. You can find the link also from the homepage beneath the drop-down menu under "Congress"

I think I have got the hang of the metacurrency thing; what exactly is a digital note? Is it another name for a meta?

This was my understanding of it (so it may be wrong): basically, a meta that is both part coin and part note. That means it can either be treated as a digital coin, used for payment of some good or service, or it can be treated as a digital security, either by effecting the purchase of a security (or value object such as digital gold in which case it it is still non-securitised) or simply by "becoming" a security when its environment is altered (similar to what happens to a “colored coin”). A digital note that is trading as a unit of cryptocurrency used for making payments on a tech platform is still a coin; once it goes beyond that point it's a note. Anything that is or reasonably can be used as a note is a metacurrency, basically. It's a slight distinction but it's an important one because a metacurrency is not always value-oriented whereas a digital note by necessity is.

Thanks! Nice summary that is what I thought basically ... more or less That WP for me was like reading the IOTA wp. Pure joy.

IOTA is a good example; it is not so much related to the ICO as a basis for it.

By way of a general update, we have made a lot of progress in advance of the official launch tomorrow. Primarily progress has been in terms of scaling back and refining the offering. While the platform is alive and kicking in demo version already (up soon!) the token offering was a more complex work for us. So we have just one offering in ERC223 format now, META:

1. There are a total of 21,000,000 META digital notes which can be used for the following: purchasing securities of hard-to find and rare companies such as Uber, AirBnB, Autilla, Lyft and Dunaton Congress; paying trading fees on the Dunaton Congress Marketplace; and as a standard digital asset for the purpose of trading against any cryptocurrency on other exchanges.
2. Every META is tethered to one British pound (GBP) at a minimum upon sale. If for whatever reason the Dunaton Congress Marketplace is not delivered by June 1, the holder can swap back the META for the GBP Fiat-underlying.
3. The sale price of META is updated daily and reflected in the smart contract: see website. META starts at 1 GBP per note and is increased by a minimum of 10p daily.

Will update the main post soon once we have got the rest in place. The offering is much simpler than before now as these digital notes are used on our exchange to buy the unicorn company shares and other exciting securities. Since it came up here earlier, we will answer: simply, the flexibilty for a token to trade between 2 status - as a crypto and as a purchasing agent of securities - is what we define as a metacurrency.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That is a lot clearer now. Nice changes.

What makes your project different between other similar projects?

Good question!

1. We have actual bank-grade tech. That means that major megabanks are using the same tech to trade precious metals as you will get to trade cryptos with (we are going to deploy in demo form BEFORE the ICO is over so you can SEE AND PLAY with it). This IS pro trading software, not some hashed together stack. It is deliverable. This is an important differentiator - for instance the use of bank-grade tech means better safety, accuracy and more precautionary features such as the Accept-Reject Match feature which allows you to accept or reject trades before they are executed each time or when they are received (more overall control).

2. If we don't deliver any product you effectively get to swap your tokens back for the GBP-equivalent purchase amounts, ensuring you don't lose a dime.

3. All TOKENS we sell here are backed by GBP and GBP is a great bet right now.

4. It's metacurrencies. To understand metacurrencies you are best to read the white paper but basically they are crypto with value external to the blockchain network (not NECESSARILY security tokens but also including security tokens).

5. The project is partners with a regulated firm, Autilla (check here: https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_FirmDetailsPage?id=001b000000NMj4lAAD)

Those would be the main differentiators for now. Summary: 1. Real tech used by banks 2. Money back if we don't give you that 3. Crypto backed by Fiat like Tether was meant to be 4. Innovative new treatment of cryptocurrencies 5. Regulated entity partner proven and offering double peace of mind

Maybe this passage from the White Paper may sum the answer to this question up best however:

Dunaton is an ancient Greek conjugation of the Biblical word meaning “mighty”, “powerful”, “excelling”, “strong” and “possible”. These are the words that for us summarize what the world’s first ever financial products marketplace looks and feels like. It is mighty and powerful in the way it disrupts traditional capital raising events; it’s effects on the financial markets and on the way in which start-ups and consumers monetize their assets will be stronger than any financial revolution that has taken place to date, and as a result almost anything – any situation, any purchase, any dream – is made is possible by such an innovation coming to market.

Picture the following story: in January one year, overspent and under-liquid following some particularly grueling Christmas season expenses, a man in London securitizes his wine collection and sells it on Dunaton. By March, this gentleman had used the digital assets obtained from his securitized wine sale to invest in a number of the metacurrencies listed on the Dunaton Companies Market, which included a variety of eclectic choices. Instead of wine, he now owned a portion of a factory in China, a basket-weaving enterprise in the Philippines, a tech company in Tokyo and a sand provider to five star hotels across the world that was based out of Africa. By the end of June, just as the weather was getting warmer and the British pubs were starting to spill out over the sidewalks with merry patrons, a few of these companies paid out some handsome dividends in digital gold and silver thanks to recent publicity from the news sites which drove product sales before the subsequent holiday season.

In July, the investor converted the securities into the tokens of the companies he owned via effecting a share-crypto trade after a brief crypto sell-off. When the firms he had invested in raised more capital for expansion, far from finding himself diluted out of existence, his tokens spiked up, earning him even more money. That seemed somehow more just than his regular stock market holdings. Just the company tokens peaked over 400% higher in a few weeks, he got out and decided to use the excess profits to increase his risk a little. He speculated on some interesting start-up project ICOs via purchasing token issuances first. During the final quarter of the year, from September to November, he was able to convert back from tokens into shares via partaking in crypto-to-company pre-IPO purchases with his meta cross notes. In one case a company that had raised far more than expected at one of the ICOs he had participated in was able to pay out one-time special dividends just before the final holiday season of the year!

By December, he was able to use his profits to repurchase his wine collection in digital form and to lay it out on the table for Christmas. But first, he bought a brand-new house to host the whole family for a lavish Christmas celebration that would have been impossible before.

It was amazing because none of this was done using any debt at all: simply a few cases of wine left over from the previous Christmas dinner party had made him rich! This story is not possible to tell today of course, but it will soon be the case that it is. It is the simple story of mighty, powerful dreams being fortified via the endless possibility of a truly interconnected global financial product marketplace where utility is connected immediately to real value and amplified across a global product marketplace. It is the story that will be told again and again at Dunaton.com – the world’s first digital financial product marketplace. 

Smart contract is now out!!

https://etherscan.io/address/0x7dce85240d178ae61e91aa82ecdc2048d1ca052f

So we can deposit ETH here for META tokens?

Yes - META tokens keep going up in value every day. Already the first buyers are more than 200% up on their purchases,  so first come, first serve! (This is the easy money bit to be honest; after that we actually have to work for it ;))

Haha - at least you honest about it! Sure, I play. Those 200%ers must be happy. Is that the $5m that already gone in?

That is the premine yes. They participated in the pre-ICO. But since it has been in ICO stage it has increased 230%.

Dunaton Metacurrency (META) Q&A

What is a Metacurrency?
A Metacurrency, or 3-dimensional currency, is a financial unit with 3 dimensions of currency value other than its own core unit of value. Those 3 dimensions are: supply, intrinsic value and payment value. A Metacurrency can be thus used to purchase securities and to purchase cryptocurrencies, which are both 2D currencies.

What is Dunaton Congress?
Dunaton Congress is a trading platform we are developing with Autilla, a professional provider of digital gold trading tech to the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) in order to trade Metacurrencies and cryptocurrencies. It is an exchange that allows the simultaneous transference of crypto securitisation. It will be launched before June 2018.

How does META work?
META is the world’s first Metacurrency. It will be used on Dunaton Congress Marketplace as a base currency in order to purchase both cryptocurrencies and securities such as Uber, Lyft, Berkshire Hathaway and others in token form. This dual role as both a regulated and unregulated asset makes META potentially very valuable.

How many META are there?
There are 21,000,000 META. 5,800,000 META were purchased by the VC behind Dunaton Congress, Chen Qing, prior to the INO beginning.

What is a digital note?
A digital note is a unit of value that is represented in Metacurrency form. Just as Bitcoin was labelled a digital coin, so META is a digital note: a next-stage evolution of digital assets.

How is META different from a security token?
META can be a security token or a regular cryptocurrency. It is used to purchase security tokens, but it can also be used to be traded against other cryptos on mainstream crypto exchanges.

Will META be listed anywhere else other than Dunaton Congress?
Yes. META will be listed at all the mainstream crypto exchanges.

Is the META INO regulated?
No. Because of META’s dual properties as a security and a non-security (cryptocurrency), it is sold and marketed as a standard utility token with potentially security properties subject to the holder fulfilling AML/KYC for the security token side of the exchange.

Nice Q&A and nice to see the smart contract is out and ready now. 8)

Looks like a good ICO in the works and impressive partner and team, too.

Looks like another scam by Daniel Harrison, monkey capital, Futereum...

You need to stop Daniel.

Fake team again?

Just so everyone is clear this Daniel Harrison the king of scams creating another bull shit name for his company.

He has multiple fake accounts posting in this thread. SCAMMER!

You have a very promising project with a great future, I hope it will be in demand!
egretia

yes, the idea of this project will be in demand. because, this is really, that people need. it is something new and not yet known by mankind. so, it seems to me, that to open this project will be interesting.

 ;D ;D ;D

It's a value revolution.

Thanks! We think so. Here are some of the initial note listings we will feature:

The Metas
Dunaton Metacurrency (META) – Dunaton Metacurrency is a primary Meta, and is used as the basis around which all secondary Metacurrency Note Offerings (MNOs) revolve. It is backed by British pounds on a Volume Weighted Average Price (VWAP) basis and is exchangeable at pretty much any time throughout the notes’ initial lifetime for exchange with the VWAP pounds, making it an essential and safe purchase for everyone. (396,000/1.8%)

150-Year S&P Dividends (S&P) – This secondary Meta allows holders to simulate identical income returns as for companies on the S&P index going back to 1871 until the present day. It is supported by around one dollar per every 17 tokens which are eligible for redistributed swap-back to the largest 10 token holders at the end of the value mining cycle in sliding scale pro rate USD amounts. (20m/5%)

Unicorns (UNI) – simulating the returns of VC unicorn investments, UNI tokens allow the purchaser to get an increase over the natural returns of such investments by harnessing META as the primary mining value currency in the smart contract as a Futer. Now, when other investors get jitters, investors can take advantage of the sharply-strengthening price of META inside the UNI smart contract to employ the UNI in a game a of market dominance.

The Futers
Futereum (FUTR) – Futereum, developed by leading financial engineer James Hurst, is the world’s first ever Futer, a type of synthetic derivatives product built for Blockchain. Futereum uses a Fibonacci algorithm to harness the exponential value in ETH, and gains value over time whether it is switched back for Ether or whether it is held over the smart contract’s 12-36 months value mining cycles. (Fees @7.5%)

Futereum X (FUTX) – in this version of Futereum, value mining cycles (in ETH) are shortened to just 3 months, with an upper limit of 12 months. (Fees @ 4.59%)

Futereum Y (FUTY) – an extension of the Futereum mining system whereby ETH is purchased and swapped-back monthly and inter-cycle. Generates 5-8x returns per cycle in ETH terms. A portion of the tokens will go on sale as an ICO and anyone who purchases the tokens will get rights to value mine and to swap-back the FUTY tokens. (Fees @5%)

Synthetic Zurcoin (ZUS) – ZUS is a value-mined futer that is exchangeable for the Zurcoin that purchased it.

Prix (PRX) – Prix is a value-mined futer that is exchangeable for the PRE that purchased it.

The Projects
Career Town (CTO) – Linked In for Blockchain (5%)

Green Earth (GRE) – Cannabis conglomerate (5%)

Powerdial (PDL) – North-East English VOIP and data solutions market leader (5%)

(The % portion in paranthesis indicates what % goes to the decentralised hedge fund).

Impromptu discussion with DMH & CV on Factory Banking Project as well as introducing some new ideas such as Dunaton including MetaCurrencies and 3D Payments: https://www.facebook.com/dunatoncongress/videos/2022195944722290/

When will start Bounty of this project? what kind of campaigns? thanks

Bounty as follows:

Set aside for bounty: 96,000 META

Breakdown of Bounties
*10 META per tweet
*500 META per blog post and/or news article
*1000 META per YouTube video
*5,000 META video by well-known YouTuber 

Remember all META is backed by British pounds for which META can be exchanged! This is a HIGH VALUE BOUNTY! PLEASE CONTACT MY PM for more details (bounty manager)

DUNATON’S MONKEY CAPITAL DELIVERS COEVAL IN LONG-AWAITED ICO OF MONKEY TOKEN (http://cryptocapitalnews.com/dunatons-monkey-capital-delivers-coeval-in-long-awaited-ico-of-monkey-token/) 28.04.2018:

The founders of a decentralised hedge fund that abandoned plans for an ICO in July 2017 announced that investors holding the fund’s Waves-based token Coeval are about to get the real ticket this time round.

According to a web conference given by the founders on Thursday, Monkey Capital’s ICO of MNY token is now going ahead with the release of a smart contract-enabled version of COE being distributed to investors over the coming weeks. The management team stressed that investors are not required to commit any funds as they have already paid for their tokens in the form of repurchased swaps. Investors bought a variety of tokens on Waves DEX from July to December 2017 issued by the company, which they traded in for alternate unspecified value to Monkey Capital wallets up until the start of the year.

Radio silence from the team’s London-based headquarters had many investors assuming that the ICO was a scam, with some investors already counting their losses.

An investor by the name of Oddin has complained loudly about the lack of communication from the team recently. In his latest post on Bitcointalk he wrote:

< Stay away of this “project”>>

The drama came to a head at the end of December 2017 when Florida law firm Silver Miller filed a class action lawsuit against Daniel Mark Harrison, one of Monkey Capital’s founders. Since then the suit has been declassified to just a single individual litigation case as a result of failing to meet the requirements for a class suit. Now it seems, the suit may not even make it past the post at all, however, since all the investors are all about to get their tokens.

 “We are able to deliver on the original intention: we are very pleased to announce we are releasing the smart contracts for COE and MNY,” explained co-founder Craig Vallis on a video conference Thursday.

“We have written some very sexy software that goes and does the distribution for us,” he added.

Investors gave founders Daniel Mark Harrison and Craig Vallis a warm reception to an explainer video they published along with three separate white papers on Thursday this week: –“Very solid and revolutionary model. I’m very fortunate to be an early investor. Although the whole project took longer than expected to rollout (and which great and successful project doesn’t?), I strongly believe my patience is paying off. Well done folks!“ wrote Singapore-based investor Jes Child.

And sophisticated investors seemed pleased with the result, too.

“Great introduction. sounds feasible, should be an exciting few months,” commented Phil Terry from Birmigham. Terry is a United Kingdom stock market veteran who came to Monkey Capital after the project was linked to Highway Capital Plc, which share the same parent company investor DMH&CO.

“I can feel the dawn of a new era, great work! & Congrats to all participants on the great harvest soon!” wrote Kathlin Liao, a Hong Kong-based investor in the project.

The project garnered significant press when Coeval (COE) traded from $2 on July 8 up to as high as .54 BTC, around $1800 at the end of last July earning it the nickname “the Berkshire Hathaway of Crypto.”

The accompanying ICO token was eventually floated on the Waves decentralized exchange but the ICO was cancelled however after the team found they were insufficiently prepared to launch the ICO. Both COE and MNY have CoinMarketCap.com listings in place already, which the team say will be active as soon as delivery has taken place. They plan to list the tokens on new exchange Crex24, an increasingly popular destination for hot new tokens.

Monkey Capital’s investors were rewarded with a total of $96 million of new Coeval (COE) tokens which the founders believe are still 95% undervalued, since the mining cycle that COE will be made available on allows for a cost-per-COE of as much as $80,000. COE can be used to receive MNY tokens which hold a claim on the assets of the decentralized hedge fund.

The project was re-launched under the banner of Dunaton, which bills itself as a global digital financial product marketplace. Dunaton’s crucial innovation that enabled the team to resurrect the Monkey Capital ICO and reward the investors so generously was the concept of three-dimensional currencies, also known as Metacurrencies. Metacurrencies are a form of cryptocurrency that can be used to make digital payments for actual securities and other high value assets.

“Metacurrencies are designed with the objective in mind of purchasing you increasing amounts of value year-on-year,” Harrison told this publication in an exclusive interview.

“There was absolutely never any question of us not coming through on delivery, just on how exactly we intended to do it so that everyone was fairly rewarded and justly profitable at the end. Now that is done, Craig and I cannot wait to open up this multi-hundred trillion-dollar market. This is securities cash we are talking about, after all. It’s the most efficient cash there is the world.”

It has the hugest potential; it can literally be number 1! ESP with metas. At least top 10.

Also NB two other recent press mentions - From NewsBTC here https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/04/24/why-invest-ethereum/:

<<While Olaf Carlson-Wee, Founder and CEO of Polychain Capital, has predicted that “Ethereum’s price could surpass that of Bitcoin by the end of 2018” and Monkey Capital’s Daniel Mark Harrison reckons it will “likely be valued at over $100,000 by 2042” others are more cautious. Luis Cuende, co-founder of Ethereum-powered company Aragon, says: “Ethereum’s price will hit $1,000 by mid-2019.”>>

Also from Bitcoinist here: http://bitcoinist.com/why-invest-in-ethereum/:

<<Monkey Capital’s Daniel Mark Harrison believes [Ethereum] will “likely be valued at over $100,000 by 2042”>>

and our updated blog on finishing the Monkey Capital project off here https://cryptocurrencyhub.io/building-the-decentralised-marketplace-fbfbacc67339:

<<Monkey Capital was launched as a decentralised hedge fund in July 2017. At the time, there were two components to the decentralised nature of the fund in the form of two digital assets, those being Coeval (COE) and Monkey (MNY). COE was issued by DMH&CO with an issuance value of $2 as a token which would purchase 10,000 MNY at a forthcoming Initial Coin Offering (ICO) to be held on August 8, 2017. The object of MNY was that it would be an entryway into the decentralised fund’s portfolio of assets which would over time grow exponentially in size, without ever being in and of itself a security.

The reason we were opposed to securitisation of decentralised assets from the very start was simple: securitisation runs against the whole ethos of decentralisation, which is rooted in management-controlled value parameters. The decentralisation of returns has led to some almost unbelievable wealth-creating effects. To list the top 3 assets: Bitcoin began trading at a price of 10 cents in 2010 and is now around $9,000, representing a return of 9,000,000%; Ethereum was first offered at 14 cents in 2014 and can now be readily purchased or sold 430,000% higher at around $600 each; Ripple began trading at half a basis point (0.005 cents) in 2013 and currently sells for 90 cents per XRP, representing a 17,900% gain with around 15% of that having materialized in the past 12 months alone.

When compared alongside securitised returns, there is almost no argument in favour of adopting the latter as a comparable investment return asset class, let alone including securities in the same domain of value as decentralised ones. If securities are included among Blockchain assets, you can expect to see similar returns to those that are presently traded elsewhere on securities exchanges. During 2017, the top 3 performing stock exchanges comprised Argentina’s Merval Index, up 77%, The Nigeria All-Share Index, which was 42% higher and Turkey’s Borsa Istanbul, with 42% improvement over the previous year. Even if we average these three top-performing indexes and multiply the cumulative returns over the same time period as for our digital asset comparison pairs (which is optimistic at best) there is nowhere near the same sort of return profile among securities assets as there is for decentralised ones.

We are dumbfounded when we hear that teams are lining up to offer dividend-enhanced securities on the Blockchain, and that customers actually want such products. The only affect that putting securities on the Blockchain will have is to lower the average return by a massive factor, so that digital payment utility value as a market becomes virtually unrecognizable and fails to do what it does so well today, which is make investors incredibly high returns without the requirement for a large upfront capital investment.

With both these arguments in mind, what appealed to us was the idea that we could somehow take the best from the exponentially-growing digital payments market and the best from the world of products which have tangible values, and formulate a new sort of asset class that would somehow work exactly like a payment tool and thereby remain non-securitised and unhindered by the continual interference of senior management teams and Board directors, while benefitting somehow from the soundness of underlying value that was sourced outside of the world of digital payments upon which these hybrid assets would draw their own values rooted in tangible values.

Brazen as we were, we seriously miscalculated the amount of work involved in achieving such an aim, let alone establishing a decentralised pool of such assets which digital payment asset holders could access on a whim.

The ICO of MNY was subsequently cancelled to a degree of angry by overall supportive investors. In order to buy time to find the potential solution while still keeping the market we had prematurely fostered active, we offered for sale a variety of digital assets for sale which we advertised with the proposed benefit of such assets becoming ultimately convertible into a brand-new COE/MNY token combination. Needless to say, we ended up trying the already shattered patience of the last of our remaining supporters beyond an acceptable threshold. It was not the finest moment in management history.

Meanwhile, however, as we wound down the previous market we had clung onto over a period of 6 months, we sought to find the answer to the problem we had set out so brazenly self-assured would take us just a few weeks to discover: how is it possible to represent real, tangible, growth and income-supported value on the Blockchain without tripping up over securities regulators?

To date, no one has managed to solve that particular puzzle; instead, eager to enhance their payment utility tokens with real value, many ICOs offer all sorts of dividend-equivalent features within their digital asset promotions, most of which are quite illegal to offer in the places they are advertised and sold.

We emphasize here that we had no aversion to dealing with securities regulators other than that they were not responsible — and are still not responsible — for overseeing the sorts of assets we were seeking to create and invest in.

The sorts of assets we had in mind still had the return profiles of Bitcoin, Ethereum and Ripple; they just happened to share the value foundations of Apple, Microsoft and Berkshire Hathaway as well. The plan of allowing investors to cumulatively participate in a passively-administered decentralised (digital asset entry-based) fund was looking a lot harder than we at first imagined.

For a short while our dreams of creating a decentralised hedge fund looked like wishful thinking and worst of all, wasted time and money. However, as we began working with some financial advisors on various side projects in London, we began to formulate a way in which such assets could be constructed.

As we proceeded with this new line of enquiry, we realised in so doing that we would need to build a marketplace for these new hybrid payment utility-income value derivative assets in order to maximize their potential.

We realised that what we had to do was build a marketplace for our decentralised fund to invest into — after all, without a market, how does the fund make money?

We called our new value-loaded digital assets Metacurrencies, or three-dimensional currencies, due to their dual status at both digital payment utilities and digital assets that held a form of referenced income value. We wrote a paper. No one bothered reading it except the lawyer, who read it cover to cover. That was usually a bad sign.

Amazingly however, none of the lawyers complained. We knew this was as good a starting point as we were likely to encounter any time soon. We also knew we by now understood the process inside-out to a somewhat unhealthy degree.

“Basically, what we are doing is building the closest thing to a security without it being a security,” explained one of our legal advisors to a fellow lawyer in one conference we sat in. “What is it then?” asked the fellow lawyer in response. “That’s a very good question. It’s a cryptocurrency with actual value,” replied our legal eagle. We were finally getting somewhere.

As we made headway in laying the foundations of the marketplace we would build for our Metacurrencies alongside our slowly-expanding team of advisors, partners and other industry and market professionals, privately the Founders circled back to the original aim of creating a decentralised hedge fund.

After all, a decentralised digital capital asset market was beginning to take shape now; a decentralised hedge fund was surely entirely plausible.

Partly, we confess, this circling back was something we were forced to do as a result of having so many now exasperated, dispirited or plain disinterested investors to make good on from our somewhat ill-advised entry to the cryptocurrency market from the year before.

Metacurrencies are a major step in value innovation of digital assets. They provide the purchaser with the assurance of real base value that can be obtained with the unregulated non-securitised asset of hyper-inflated value that they are hoping to extract unusually high returns from. They are, in a sense, the best of cryptocurrencies with the best of securities values referenced inside their exchangeable values.

Despite the odds against race, the birth of non-securitised asset structuring on a digital distributed and the concurrent establishment of unregulated, non-securitised asset management functions is now taking place in the start of the second quarter of 2018.

We may have been a little late to get to the party, but then again, we cannot help but notice either that we are still the first to have arrived here.>>

Daniel Harrison stop posting under fake accounts and making new scam projects

Also pay back the 100k you owe your assistant in Singapore

Daniel Cocaine Harrison - creator of

MNY/COE/ZURWAVES/PRE/PVT/PLC/COA/FUTX/FUTR among other valueless coins

Hi Lambo Cuck - no  one is posting under fake accounts. This is not Daniel Harrison, it's one of the three people who monitor and answer actively Dunaton's social media (no, I am not going to give a loony like you my name but thanks! Also, not everyone like you is sitting in their bedroom; some of us do have offices to go to!) It must be said, Daniel and Craig are both very hands-on (in different ways) and that is why we are all getting back our value that we originally invested in. They are - in different ways again - good employers, and good caretakers of a business, so insinuating anything other than that is the case is just plain libellous in my view. But you take your own chances.

I must say, it does seem a little obsessive your interest in this whole project. Your interest and the intermittent nature of your posting on other topics elsewhere and given the gap in posting Nov-Dec and subsequent eagerness to explode all over the show with the rather grandiose Silver Miller law suit  (at the office we call them Sleazy & Motherf&*er btw; that was Daniel who made that one up, I think ;)) makes me wonder if you and Oddin are none other than S&M who purchased two accounts to play about on so that you can induce all the FUD you need to carry on your legal case. At the very very least, you are surely the plaintiffs, and that makes me wonder admittedly from my very rudimentary Bachelor's Degree in Law & Philosophy training at a respectable school here in London whether you are not transgressing any number of, I'd say, possibly 3-4 international, British and no doubt Federal laws right now with the ongoing harassment you insist on keeping up.

So I guess my point is ... keep it up but do be mindful there is a price to pay for everything ...  ::)  

Also, FUTR and FUTX are in fact the only crypto with identifiable value: FUTX has $32,802.99 of intrinsic value using a conversion rate for ETH of $683.05/ETH and FUTR of $101,362.68 (at the same conversion rate for ETH/USD). This is something called intrinsic value but you obviously don't understand what intrinsic value is so I highly doubt you will understand Metacurrencies ... better go back to the beach over there in Florida, Cuck! Take the Lambo with you, since we all know that is what classy men who women all dream of marrying one day look like: lonely Florida bums in Lambos (or wannabe-Lambos). Sorry to break it to you, but there is a real world out there too!

IF there is anyone who would actually have a semi-logical reason to speak against Daniel then ill claim it would be me.

And i am not and wont be doing so.
All this project does is show continuouss progress, anyone who could not clearly identify that by now is simply and i must also add (quite obviously) trying to down talk the project for no other reason than personal hate. Is there anything that actually can be done for the 2, or what was it 3? of you to finally call it quit and accept the actual progress and innovation that is being and has been presented?

Thank you for a well-reasoned and fair response. This goes to show that the project is not all about Daniel, and in fact, it is quite insulting to the rest of us who also dedicate hours and hours of time and sweat/blood/tears when it is implied that this is the case.

I wonder how many people in Blockchain actually know that innovation is not a "reasonable" business, and nor is it one that is undertaken in a "reasonable" way (at least, not if it is successful at all in any way). As a consequence, the most "reasonable" ICOs that you see out there will amount to next to nothing. That this will amount to something is evidenced by nothing less than the most unreasonable level of persistence and commitment from the two Founders, in my honest opinion (and yes, the most unreasonable of attitudes sometimes go with those unreasonable levels of persistence, too!)

But implying that employees are unpaid, investors are left hanging with nothing or any other sort of thing is so simply false - and this is coming direct from one of "the employees" - that to suggest such is a mere lie. No, this isn't kindergarten and you don't get your hand held. No, no one is going to congenially make out like your feelings matter. That's because they do not. That is just the culture of the firm that Craig and Daniel are building. But you get paid, you get to take on interesting challenges, and as Daniel once put it to us, "you get to say fuck you to whoever you want when it's all done, since no one else could fucking come close to matching what we're doing here." And what's is that which we are "doing here", exactly?

It's putting value on the Blockchain for the first EVER time in history and in the process, creating new mechanisms by which value will be used to finance industry, households and even everyday life, right down to how students manage their college debt. I think I speak for pretty much all of those of us who work for Craig and Daniel, that these results constitute such potentially life-altering achievements on a personal level for each and every one of us (again, not JUST for Craig and Daniel) that nothing comes close to even getting there in terms of dissuading us to battle on and win our way through another day's gruelling work schedule.

Dunaton (and by association Monkey Capital) will be one of those rare companies that emerge from all this as an Amazon, Google, Facebook, or any other of those early 00s dot com market dominators today. Same culture, same clues, same class ...

Creating a new company every 2-3 months is not progress. It’s utter failure. Everyone associated with this company is either fake or Suffering from Stockholm syndrome

Blatantly Daniel posting. Hi Dan! Can I name the next company when this one fails. I thought you fell short on Factory Banking.

This one is even worse.

In fact, Bounty is very real so we will look forward to making Bounty payment for hard worker :) you know, you are the only one with the Scandinavian illness I believe. Too sad. Find some task to do not just to sue people for your own mistakes. It cannot help friend

I like the concept and I think this project will have a big future . I'll support as far as possible

yes the concept of value on blockchain is the great unexplored area!

It is a really good project. I like and want to participate in this project.

you should go to www.dunaton.com and the meta is on sale via the smart contract. It is currently about $2 but next level is about $3.80. Eventually it will rise to $9000 at the last level and all the tokens are support by real cash that you can exchange the META for if you want. This is why this will fly very high when people knows this fact I think. The object is to create 3D currency not for typical ico reason

One of your Metacurrencies projects just got the official seal of approval  :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o :o

John has a great eye for market-beating products, that's why  8)

So so impressive. Very excited for this project! McAffee right from the outset is about as big as it gets!!

Yah. Endorsements really do not come any higher than McAffee in crypto, that's very true.

your announcement looks terrible, almost no information in it. the link to the site does not work, I wonder what it's connected with and where can I find out more about the project?

Possibly true - this is an informational (vs. promotional) announcement however primarily aimed at fine-tuning aspects of the content on it prior to full-on promo. Go to www.dunaton.com for more - you'll find 3 White Papers there. Should be enough info!!

Well well well. Where have we heard this before? Oh I remeber every other coin you created DMH. Total value of all coins = 0.0

It's not DMH (do you read?) but thanks for the bump nevertheless! ;D

Then i suggest you call up Autilla and ask them if they are fake.
 ::) ::)

Whoever you are - and you seem like a nice person, so whatever Daniel has said to you before I hope you forgive him one day (he is sharp with the tongue and lax with timing (you don't know how many times I've screamed at him for this! but he is ultimately the hardest working man I know of). But your main point having read through your comments thread is correct: these plaintiffs or lawyers, Silver, Miller, Andrew Hodges, Jody Powell, Vlad and those little Indians - all they want is to get money for themselves. They are showing it now. THEY are the ones who sold the market down, clearly! They are willing to wreck even success just to try and score a sleazy, illegal bounty of a few million. Ask yourself if you are in doubt: would those same people who f-ed up the market this second time not have done so the first time if this is not their behaviour? There is never smoke without fire. We all know that! And there is major smoke coming from the NUMEROUS failed lawsuits of Silver Miller ...

It's somewhat meant to be a secret right now but there is already serious allegations about Silver Miller that they are engineering thefts and market dumping in order to prosecute arising from Coinbase, Kraken etc now! And why not? This is the ilk of such people - they never cared about "the community" - "the community" was their excuse to f-up a market. I am probably going to get told off for writing these things, as they are strictly speaking outside the remit of my "Dunaton social media ambassidor" job title, but you know, one of the things that I like about Dunaton is that if you come in with the truth, whatever you did, you're OK. And the truth is Silver Miller Hodges and all those others milked this market and then screwed everyone a second time.

Daniel and especially Craig, whose saved this whole wreckage from the end, are heros as far as I or any reasonable person is concerned. (well, it's hard to call Daniel a hero to be fair, but whatever - he is more dedicated to his work than anyone I honestly know.)

Well done getting your voice out there. Yes: dial +44 (0) 20 3948 7600, ask for the CEO Mike Greenacre, and ask if Autilla is a fake company, that's right. Unlike the fraudulent fakery of the Sleazy crowd, this is the real deal. I am proud to work for Dunaton!  ;D ;D

I could get into those details, as it sure would be an interesting review..., but as mentioned, i wont. As for this project and infact the complete thing (MC-DUNATON-FB) i stand as i always have, its a great project and im happily part of it.

thanks for the link, but as I already wrote above the link to your site does not work. Only me so? can I get feedback from other users?

Whats the correct smart contract?  The one on the website doesn't match the one mentioned earlier in this thread.

It is: 0xf97c238b2277b2e7d15e278b61b250e96b23a194

omg what slime. Typical. That’s whats wrong with crypto you know - it’s all the lawyers and bankers now getting in on the act

And you are who?
Im not a banker neither a lawyer btw.
What exactly drives you? and why do you actually think/believe its a fake/scam? Have you been to the office? have you talked with Autilla?
By Calling the above project a fake or a scam you dont only insult and or harass Daniel, but an entire team of coders/devs/advisors/investors.

Let me guess, Autilla is also a fake?
You should reconsider who you are actually calling out by calling the info presented in this thread "slime" "fake" or "scam". Because i assure you its not only MC and Daniel.

I rarely apologise but taking these comments into consideration and doing some substantial research I can honestly say “sorry” - I think a lot of people lack research with these things, and that’s where we get it wrong maybe. You’re right this is a very very high quality show.

Significant amount of accounts posting in this thread using the same IP address

Totally believe it. Lawyers are the worst trolls of all! What’s your view on COE delivery btw?

we should nominate Daniel for an award.

After 4758584954 missed deadlines and 8 months he will deliver two valueless tokens.

It takes talent to fail that hard

Cool, guess that is a no, can I ask what have you done in the same period of time? I’m just curious ... also while I don’t care for Daniel very much, I do care for my own investments thanks so if you want to trash my money do it in private ok? Sorry but some of us actually have some common sense and don’t want to shoot the outcome before it’s has a chance to come! Sound fair enough to you? Great. 

Project looks interesting. I will be looking out for more information, let's see another opinion giving to this project & how this project will turn out.
egretia

... was this genuine or spam? I can’t actually tell!

Awesome!

long awiaited ... and sounding pretty spectacular! So if I’m right this is basically the same thing EXACTLY as Bitcoin but in Ether-token form and you get all your money back in the end? That’s hard to imagine NOT taking off to the moon to be honest - assuming I have that right

Right, we think it'll be pretty hard to ignore too. Note the additional benefits for the COE holders,principally first of all that they can mine the smart contract first (you have to be on the distribution list OR you can purchase it from the COE smart contract shortly; we will release that promptly). Given that Bitcoin's price schedule starts at 9 cents, it's gonna be a pretty wild initial note offering then!

There is no one who wouldn’t play bitcoin from the start ALL OVER AGAIN if they can also get their money back. NO ONE. That’s almost dream-like.

That is seriously one of the best ideas maybe ever since bitcoin. It's practically guaranteed profits! What is the smart contract address? The best thing is to play it early on. F&&& even a $100 bet at the start is like what, at 1m%, something like ... $100m today? You don't need to do shit peeps, you just send $100 to the smart contract and check it after a few months see where its at!!

Haha - glad you like it! We will announce the smart contract address in a few days. Note that to get the early price you will probably need to buy COE first from the smart contract (if you are not already on the distribution list - you would know if you are - in which case you are getting it anyway.) You then use COE (as opposed to a variety of other cryptos which will after that be allowed in) to mine the MNY smart contract. That said, about $4.5bn of it is all priced under $1000, so there is massive room for growth.

The whole thing is just seriously sick. Well done.

I can't believe I am reading this. How did you get the price history of bitcoin?

Well, in fact the price data is available from a number of sources (eg CoinDesk, Bitcoiny etc.) - it is the mining volume data that is the trickier bit. In the end we setteld for a combined block size + volume price data to work out how much is sold at what price. Pretty much a bullseye match for what the early Bitcoin holders got so it's the same price and volume obtainable.

This means including the benefits of MNY, looks attractive and has great opportunities for the future.
This project will be very impressive and many investors will join. The development of this project is highly anticipated and the results will reach the target.

exactly my feeling too

It's good to see so much enthusiasm. It's a very, very simple product with a sophisticated tech build-in, which is what we are so excited about.

This project can’t fail. They have an office and know how to use FAcebook live now

Yeah exactly. It’s bitcoin but it’s all those tokens stored in it. Good analogy. It’s like FB live and your own office in one. Yes!

Definitely unexpected and definitely very exciting. Feels
Like the start of something big. Always did had that feeling with this; good to see it coming together!

I can't wait to send all of my NEO "tokens" to the smart contract!

ICX probably more interesting to be honest than NEO so I don’t care. If it’s got icx that’s something

You don't find it interesting that Dunaton managed to convert NEO into an ERC token?  Everyone in blockchain is talking about it.

I would recommend this project for investment. A very thoughtful project, will have a future. Forecasts from good specialists are appreciated.

NEO won't be immediate but we will be able to incorporate the crypto into the smart contract at some point in the future. We are working on an application that will listen to the NEO blockchain and translate the result onto the ERC blockchain. It is not very complicated, rather it's just a bit time-consuming so it is a later-stage roll-out :) To start with it'll be the leading ERC tokens that qualify as this is obviously a straight fixture.

You should write a book about this. Publish it on Amazon maybe, no doubt it would be a best seller. Call it the Block Chain Manifesto by Dunaton.

Additionally a 24hr crypto news network to promote all of this. I’m full of good ideas today.

Why are you trying to FUD a project without any specific criticism of the model technically? For what purpose do you want to ruin someone’s work and another’s wealth?

Ignorance and personal hate. Thats why.
Even the last will soon realize that this one wont be easy to ruin, the amount of planning and detail, aswell as tech in it is simply unseen by crypto so far. So the FUD can just be waited out.... ultimatly they will see that a delay in the project does not = a scam, it simply = more planning and work needs to be done. And there is a reason the project was delayed by this much, and also a reward for everyone who sat it out. Once everything is online and working that will become quite obvious.

An interesting project with a working business. I think the guys will show how to implement the technology of blockchain to improve production.
egretia

at least most is keeping it very real here - there only seems to be one of them who’s a bit psycho after all. Okay, cool. Agree with d55 and Michael. Rational
Positions - thanks for the context particularly d55

In all truth it really doesn't matter what anyone says or thinks. If you have the best model there is you have the best model there is. The product speaks for itself. If it is not good enough then we will know anyway, if it is - who cares anyway? Business is kinda simple that way. It's not about putting your customer, your supplier or even your staff first (and God forbid you have to take on outside shareholders moaning about pithy dividend cheques.) The reality is the reality - deliver the best fucking product in the world first, and the whole market is yours. Yes it has been a wait, but we are still first! Yes, it is a tall ambition, but what other choice did we have available? Suck it up and perform - it's the best way, always. It makes you feel sanctified somehow, sort of like going to Church. Anyway that said, to all those who have stayed the course, a very sincere thanks for playing! - DMH

This is getting exciting again and the money wealth everyone will make feels bigger than expected. I try. It to post too much more but just went to report good word for the street side among other now thank you for keep it going

hello i buy premine pre in hitbtc at 10 by premine i paid 0.32 btc, my questios is: if with this new project i will get a use for my premine pre. Thanks

A nice project and has potential to develop. Look forward to the project and hope it will be successful in the future.

Picked up in Financial Times from earlier: "[Monkey Capital creator Daniel] Harrison [is] coming back ... as I've said before, this is all part of evolution" - Paul Murphy. Full transcript can be found here: https://ftalphaville.ft.com/marketslive/2018-05-15/

Very positive sign for the durability of this innovation now indeed! The world's biggest financial markets commentators literally cannot help but notice it!

Yes - you will be able to send the PRE to the MNY smart contract and receive the equivalent amount of MNY to 100 sat per PRE / price of MNY at point of purchase. You definitely have not lost money.

Project looks interesting. I will be looking out for more information, let's see another opinion giving to this project & how this project will turn out.

So so impressive. Very excited for this project! McAffee right from the outset is about as big as it gets!!

Here is the latest data pack: http://factorybanking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/MonkeyCapital.zip

So many things about this project seals the deal From word go

We definitely think so. Big brand, great model, existing customers, tons of publicity, exchange invites, supporters such as McAfee ... the list goes on ...

Have you cooperated with some other company on your project?

WOW excellent news, you return my soul to my body, I thought I had lost a lot of money, and when will the MNY project be ready?

For the latest information you are best going into the Monkey Capital Telegram: http://t.me/monkeycapital 

The distribution starts on Thurs 17 May 2018 (today) and so does deployment of COE and MNY smart contracts. The media pack with WP and other schedules and summaries can also be found in the Telegram.

Yes - we have partnered with a number of leading firms and announcements are being scheduled.

hello good morning greetings from Venezuela, I am happy to know again about this project I started buying premine in hitbtc, I thought I had lost my money but now I see that your team is very responsible and attentive.

I hope to change my premine pre and if I can be of help in the Spanish chat just tell me I'm also looking for work hehe. take care all of us and let's make this a beautiful project ;D

Help the beginners! Sorry for the bad english. What needs to be done step by step to get out of Pre in MNY. My PRE tokens are on crex24. This really needs clarification. :-[

Sell the PRE, buy FUTR or FUTX. This is what mines MNY.

What happened to the Futrcoin website?

Cryptopia no longer lists FUTX where can you buy these coins now?