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Title: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 18, 2013, 11:02:44 AM
https://www.change.org/petitions/www-minecraftcc-com-close-the-minecraft-server

Sign if you wish.








Thanks

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Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 18, 2013, 11:51:54 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: Kiki112 on November 18, 2013, 09:20:02 PM
how do you exactly earn 100$ a day on that server?
if it's so I would like to try it too :D

and btw it's hardly child exploitation as they're just playing a game they would play even though they aren't earning anything.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 18, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
I don't believe so, when you have 30 children earning BTC on a server where you control the earnings is the case I described.



thanks.


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Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: monbux on November 18, 2013, 10:47:20 PM
I don't believe so, when you have 30 children earning BTC on a server where you control the earnings is the case I described.



thanks.


I545318

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So, you want to stop children from earning money.
Ageist bastard.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: freethink2013 on November 18, 2013, 10:48:29 PM
surely they could be far better utilized cleaning chimneys?



Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: wachtwoord on November 18, 2013, 10:49:28 PM
surely they could be far better utilized cleaning chimneys?



Haha ;D



Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: dustofdeath on November 18, 2013, 11:37:16 PM
Feels like someoen who got banned for griefing or similar .. trying to go for a payback.


Hes whole topic is complete bullshit.

Nooen makes 100 a day... weekly limit is 0.2... most dont even reach .1 or 0.05.

And there is plenty of 18+ playing there aswell.

Whats he got against children actually makign money in the internet instead of wasting it?
You make it sound as if the owner uses kids to make money... HE PAYS THEM out of hes own pocket - he doesnt make any profit offthe server, even vip doesnt bring in as much as he pays out.

Next time  follow the rules and dont get banned.



Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 19, 2013, 11:20:55 AM
Feels like someoen who got banned for griefing or similar .. trying to go for a payback.


Hes whole topic is complete bullshit.

Nooen makes 100 a day... weekly limit is 0.2... most dont even reach .1 or 0.05.

And there is plenty of 18+ playing there aswell.

Whats he got against children actually makign money in the internet instead of wasting it?
You make it sound as if the owner uses kids to make money... HE PAYS THEM out of hes own pocket - he doesnt make any profit offthe server, even vip doesnt bring in as much as he pays out.

Next time  follow the rules and dont get banned.




"  weekly limit is 0.2... most dont even reach .1 or 0.05. " Where do you see this? Get the facts straight. There's no terms of service or privacy small print that secure anything here. Obvious scam, and his out of pocket investments don't surprise me when its hundreds of dollars for a game that's 26 dollars. Pay a little, to keep it running until somebody else give him more paypal. It ruins the spirit of Mojang. A game developer that seems non profit. Some of the children might buy drugs with it. That's my final answer, even this assumption is not ordinary since the conversation run deeper than the logs of the server.


I545318

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Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 19, 2013, 11:27:28 AM
I don't believe so, when you have 30 children earning BTC on a server where you control the earnings is the case I described.



thanks.


I545318

Bitcoin Address:
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So, you want to stop children from earning money.
Ageist bastard.

That's the way you talk to your mother I suppose.

Petitions are the way the country leads with getting things done. Call a bastard someone else, someone that owes you BTC.

Thanks

Did you sign the petition?


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Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 19, 2013, 11:34:34 AM
surely they could be far better utilized cleaning chimneys?



Or selling lemonade.


Lol

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Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: dank on November 19, 2013, 05:07:03 PM
Quote
Some of the children might buy drugs with it.
And?


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: Luci35 on November 19, 2013, 06:30:29 PM
I also think this post is mainly about revenge.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: dustofdeath on November 19, 2013, 11:04:12 PM

"  weekly limit is 0.2... most dont even reach .1 or 0.05. " Where do you see this? Get the facts straight. There's no terms of service or privacy small print that secure anything here. Obvious scam, and his out of pocket investments don't surprise me when its hundreds of dollars for a game that's 26 dollars. Pay a little, to keep it running until somebody else give him more paypal. It ruins the spirit of Mojang. A game developer that seems non profit. Some of the children might buy drugs with it. That's my final answer, even this assumption is not ordinary since the conversation run deeper than the logs of the server.


Wait what the hell are you talking about? Its hard statistics.

http://www.minecraftcc.com/index.php?threads/get-paid-to-play-minecraft.4613/
or:
Quote
The payout is currently 35 satoshi's per block placed or mined. A satoshi is a small fraction of a bitcoin. 100,000 satoshi's (about 2,800 modified blocks) is currently worth about [IMG], so it doesn't take much play time to add up! The minimum payout is 50,000 satoshi's (or 0.0005 BTC), so you must mine at least 1,429 blocks before you will see your first payout. The maximum payout per week is 0.20 BTC. Any blocks mined beyond that amount in a single week will not be paid, ever

and:
http://www.minecraftcc.com/mine4btc/  - most of those in top have played for monts - thousands of hours spent ingame.

AND iv played there for weeks.

Scam is somethign that scams money from people instead of giving them. He just doesnt pay out of hes pocket. Hes also a dedicated BTC miner with ASIC-s. ITs very effective advertising that gets plenty of new players each day.

Mojang is FAR from non profit. 20€for a game and merchandise is not non profit.

Drugs? They could buy it with money they get from summerjobs and parents aswell.

So what did you get banned for? Went and griefed or did some botting-stripmining to abuse the payout?

Your whole  thread has 0 credibility. New accoutn, crappy photoshop and made up facts.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: devthedev on November 20, 2013, 01:48:04 AM
What's wrong with children with money? Those teens who have a nice holding of BTC could spend it to buy their first car or put money down on a house.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 20, 2013, 02:13:32 AM
What's wrong with children with money? Those teens who have a nice holding of BTC could spend it to buy their first car or put money down on a house.


Losing it to some ponzi scheme where you get scammed if you break the rules, and regarding the drug issue must of those junk rats always have cellular phones and drugs where as their parents have worked really hard to get what they owned. Let alone continue the users from signing up.

Stop Minecraft CC.


I545318

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Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 20, 2013, 02:19:22 AM

"  weekly limit is 0.2... most dont even reach .1 or 0.05. " Where do you see this? Get the facts straight. There's no terms of service or privacy small print that secure anything here. Obvious scam, and his out of pocket investments don't surprise me when its hundreds of dollars for a game that's 26 dollars. Pay a little, to keep it running until somebody else give him more paypal. It ruins the spirit of Mojang. A game developer that seems non profit. Some of the children might buy drugs with it. That's my final answer, even this assumption is not ordinary since the conversation run deeper than the logs of the server.


Wait what the hell are you talking about? Its hard statistics.

http://www.minecraftcc.com/index.php?threads/get-paid-to-play-minecraft.4613/
or:
Quote
The payout is currently 35 satoshi's per block placed or mined. A satoshi is a small fraction of a bitcoin. 100,000 satoshi's (about 2,800 modified blocks) is currently worth about [IMG], so it doesn't take much play time to add up! The minimum payout is 50,000 satoshi's (or 0.0005 BTC), so you must mine at least 1,429 blocks before you will see your first payout. The maximum payout per week is 0.20 BTC. Any blocks mined beyond that amount in a single week will not be paid, ever

and:
http://www.minecraftcc.com/mine4btc/  - most of those in top have played for monts - thousands of hours spent ingame.

AND iv played there for weeks.

Scam is somethign that scams money from people instead of giving them. He just doesnt pay out of hes pocket. Hes also a dedicated BTC miner with ASIC-s. ITs very effective advertising that gets plenty of new players each day.

Mojang is FAR from non profit. 20€for a game and merchandise is not non profit.

Drugs? They could buy it with money they get from summerjobs and parents aswell.

So what did you get banned for? Went and griefed or did some botting-stripmining to abuse the payout?

Your whole  thread has 0 credibility. New accoutn, crappy photoshop and made up facts.



Exactly, as from assumptions alone it would lead me to believe the server has a java compatibility that not only pays out from blocks mined but from users logged in to the server. I have already had experiences from other web enabled devices using " bitcoinplus" as an example and the server owners characterized the increase in difficulty as profit and don't pay out.   The prices and the stakes are too high here. Im planning to advertise the petition soon, as soon as i get three or four more clicks.

Don't let it get out of control and stop minecraft cc before he hurts someone else.


I545318

Bitcoin Address:

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dustofdeath
So you mentioned you play there, don't you want to upgrade to earn more BTC?


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 20, 2013, 02:24:59 AM
In reply to dustofdeath,

You can continue raving and ranting your usage and defense of minecraft cc, He did not pay me my satoshi and promptly received my trust issue.

MSG tell him to pay me, and still watch his petition against his website get sign, mojang received a pretty tweet too.

Enjoy Your Upgrade!




I545318

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Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 20, 2013, 02:43:09 AM
Oh but wait what's the definition of ..

" A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to its investors from their own money or the money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from profit earned by the individual or organization running the operation." ("Ponzi Scheme." n.d.).

How much are you earning from the investors, are you earning from the web enabled bitcoin java background, the website and the mine craft server and it's users and they pay you money.


I also got labeled a "spammer" by the web administrator forum for posting in a "riddles" thread an actual riddle answer, a passive riddle answer. After we had a long conversation on how 1000 dollars in BTC wouldn't change is his mind. The computer fans ran unusually loud when I was active in his community.

You can't even participate in his website. 

End it now before it happens to someone else. Stop the minecraft server.

I545318


Bitcoin Address:

1F15zSWizxupaknq3GkL7Ahmzu2p7DJyM








References:

Ponzi scheme. (n.d.). Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: i545318 on November 20, 2013, 02:59:58 AM
Feels like someoen who got banned for griefing or similar .. trying to go for a payback.


Hes whole topic is complete bullshit.

Nooen makes 100 a day... weekly limit is 0.2... most dont even reach .1 or 0.05.

And there is plenty of 18+ playing there aswell.

Whats he got against children actually makign money in the internet instead of wasting it?
You make it sound as if the owner uses kids to make money... HE PAYS THEM out of hes own pocket - he doesnt make any profit offthe server, even vip doesnt bring in as much as he pays out.

Next time  follow the rules and dont get banned.




Can somebody calculate to this chimp when .02 will be worth 100 dollars? Do you enjoy being part of the bitcointalk community? Ive been a member since 2011, your statement " New accoutn, crappy photoshop and made up facts.", seem like a good start to begin your butthurt assessment form. People have even tried to get me sell this account for .2 BTC. Good offer right?

What was your name?


https://i.imgur.com/8Mz7anM.gif


I545318

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Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: bythesea on November 20, 2013, 02:02:32 PM
Ok can explain why should we do it, rather then giving link to petition and asking us to sign if we wish....


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: Nik1ab on November 20, 2013, 06:04:16 PM
That's one of the stupidest petitions I've ever heard of.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: Kiki112 on November 20, 2013, 08:26:58 PM
wow
omg
children might earn money online, what will we do? :D

they're not forced to do it so it's not exploitation, they do it because it's fun for them :)


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: surebet on November 21, 2013, 02:26:50 PM
It ruins the spirit of Mojang. A game developer that seems non profit.

Are you high?


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: Welsh on November 21, 2013, 02:57:15 PM
Although, this thread seems like revenge. OP, look I couldn't imagine you could earn much from this Minecraft server even if you played every minute of the day. So try to take that into account and stop trying to make Sgt who is a reputable member of the forum have a bad name. Maybe, you should go and talk to them and ask them to be polite whilst being polite yourself.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: AuroraHF on November 21, 2013, 03:00:53 PM
I don't get it, what is MinecraftCC in the first place? Sites aren't loading for me.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: nimda on November 21, 2013, 03:15:01 PM
> Children who earn money might use it to buy drugs

What?


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: AuroraHF on November 21, 2013, 03:23:15 PM
> Children who earn money might use it to buy drugs

What?

Not to mention fund terrorism, we got to close this down right now!1!one!


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: niktitan132 on November 21, 2013, 03:30:27 PM
How they get 100$ a day,to play that game for BTC?


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: devthedev on November 21, 2013, 10:33:23 PM
This thread is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: Nik1ab on November 22, 2013, 12:21:35 AM
This thread is ridiculous.
+1


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: Kiki112 on November 23, 2013, 02:24:14 PM
> Children who earn money might use it to buy drugs

What?

Not to mention fund terrorism, we got to close this down right now!1!one!

and even worse, they could buy a new phone and support the economy with that money!!
burn down the minecraft babylon :D


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: niktitan132 on November 23, 2013, 02:39:23 PM
> Children who earn money might use it to buy drugs

What?

Not to mention fund terrorism, we got to close this down right now!1!one!

and even worse, they could buy a new phone and support the economy with that money!!
burn down the minecraft babylon :D

+1


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: bmlzootown on December 25, 2013, 03:58:10 AM
Quote from: i545318
*Insert multiple rant-like posts here [in which I'm responding to].*

  • The server is definitely NOT a ponzi scheme. None of the money that's donated is used as payouts. As I understand it, the money donated goes toward the upkeep of the server. I've been on the MinecraftCC server and forum since March 2013 and I have received every payout that I have earned.
  • No, the server does not use your computer to mine bitcoins. Not once has my computer acted any different on this server than it has on any other minecraft server. Maybe your computer was having a bad day. It may even be that Minecraft takes more resources to run, resulting in your computer having to work harder.
  • Also, why bring drugs into the conversation? People of any age can use almost any currency to obtain drugs. Next time you pay a kid to rake your yard or to mow your lawn, think about that. You may be paying for his/her drugs. As long as there are drugs available to them (legal or illegal), people will buy them.
  • As for the .02 btc limit per week. That's the cap that Sgt set in place so that he can make the bitcoin payouts last longer. All of this can be seen on the forums and is visible whether you can login or not. The bitcoin payouts attract new people to the server and they are what initially attracted me to the server as well (although I mainly stick around now because of the community).
  • What do you have against children being able to earn money anyway? Maybe instead of asking mommy and daddy for stuff, they can now 'work' to earn what they desire on their own. I feel that it could teach them to be more financially responsible to be honest. The truth of the matter is, however, that minecraft isn't just a game geared toward children. I know a great majority of players ranging from their teens on up into their 40s that play minecraft. Besides, so what if some children are capable of making money? More power to them... Just wish I could have done the same at their age.
  • Assuming you did something against the rules (resulting in a permanent ban), I don't see why you would expect to get a payout. Only rule abiding players receive such a perk. And that is what the payouts are, a perk. In no way, shape, or form are the payouts a right, and as such, it can be taken away if you abuse the server and the people who play there.
  • As for the forum, there has been issues recently getting everything sorted out do to spam bots I believe. Sgt is currently working on that.
  • And please, be respectful. Calling someone a 'chimp' as you did is, in my opinion, very disrespectful. Name calling is for children. As for how much you have been offered for your account in the past... That could have been back when bitcoin was worth virtually nothing for all we know, and it is otherwise irrelevant to this thread.

And as always, if you don't like the server, a quick Google search can help you find a new one. Have fun and stay safe... Never know when some scammer might try to get you. *sarcasm*  ::)


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: 7Priest7 on December 25, 2013, 11:22:17 PM
The thread and the petition seem more like ADs.

In reality, This server DOES SUCK!!!
The server has no value outside the BTC.
The community/# of blocks makes this server entirerly worthless.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: bmlzootown on December 26, 2013, 02:04:12 AM
The thread and the petition seem more like ADs.

In reality, This server DOES SUCK!!!
The server has no value outside the BTC.
The community/# of blocks makes this server entirerly worthless.

And that is your opinion. My point is this: There are people who enjoy it and it isn't a scam. There is no reason in this petition/thread when the creator of these posts only made them because he was upset that he got caught breaking the server rules, therefore not getting a payout.

I assume that you feel this way because you were banned as well?
The server does have value outside of BTC though... As I've said before, some of us stay because of the community. I really have made friends here, as I'm sure you could have as well.
On that note, how does the community make the server worthless? If anything, it adds even more value than BTC does. I don't quite understand your reasoning here as most everyone has been more than welcoming...


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: 7Priest7 on December 26, 2013, 02:21:55 AM
I assume that you feel this way because you were banned as well?

Nope, I could enter anytime(same ign as here)

The community was rude with little to no reason,
I would not endure the verbal abuse for 1,000 btc.

The worlds are on their 6th wipe now(?) with another coming up,
any merit in building?
It lacks the players for hunger games,
so no fast paced fun.

What value does the server have besides the slave labor wage of btc?


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: bmlzootown on December 26, 2013, 04:11:38 AM
How was the community rude? You speak of verbal abuse yet you provide no example as a basis for such an attack. For all I know, it could have been one person who upset you, and now you're assuming that the entire community acts the same way because of one person. There's bound to be a few bad apples in the bunch, but everyone shouldn't be judged based on the character of a few.

The world reset has to do with the 1.7.* update (with new biomes) and the fact that people like traveling farther out, causing the file size of the maps to increase rapidly. The more chunks that have been loaded, the larger the map. Along with the update, the Survival Games maps will be retired as they aren't as popular these days anyway. And besides, the fact that there is even a need for a map to be reset just goes to show that the server is obviously in good standing with quite a few players. Needing a map reset, in my opinion, is a sign that the players are quickly building new things and what not, and that the maps need to be reset because we need space for new players to build. Yes, the maps are virtually infinite, but hard drive space isn't (let alone the ability for one server to load such a large file in a way that it is even playable).

Both a community and a server's quality are based on more than just 'fast paced fun'. If this is what you were looking for, why not go on a server where the main idea is to have this type of play (aka, a dedicated hunger games server)? To say this server sucks because it doesn't meet your personal qualifications is well within your rights as it is your opinion, but, in my opinion, it makes me feel like you're being childish. I'd much rather see a list of pros and cons that would allow the server/community to better themselves rather than such blatant argument in which you merely aim to attack us. You say the server has no value outside of BTC and that the community is worthless. Why then am I sitting here responding to your negative criticism, trying to explain that the server does have value? Just because you had a bad experience does not necessarily mean that the server and community are worthless. It's your opinion and you can have it, but that doesn't mean that you should say such negative things, especially without any evidence to backup your argument.

 The main idea of this server, as viewed by many of the members, is not for you to get paid... It's for you to have fun playing Minecraft, with an added perk (BTC). The "slave labor wage of btc" is a bonus; it is nothing more. To expect anything other than that would be absurd. The payouts aren't meant to pay your bills and sustain your way of life, they're meant to be a way of enticing new people to join the server, and to make more people aware of BTC in general. So, how does the server have such little value then? As a member of the bitcoin community, I would have thought that you would be proud that people are trying to make others out there more aware of BTC. I guess I was wrong?


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: 7Priest7 on December 26, 2013, 05:07:08 AM
I'd much rather see a list of pros and cons that would allow the server/community to better themselves rather than such blatant argument in which you merely aim to attack us..
Cons:
FREQUENT server reboots
No anti-grief for free players.
No tp/tpa/warp creation for free users.
No economy.
Lag spikes.
Very opressive rules that are not enforced equally.
Most of the community is rude. (Obviously your experience has been better, pm me if you really want/need some screenshots)
No fun mini games/lack of players who wanna play em.
Frequent server wipes(due to linear mining, not built on chunks)
No ability to ignore global chat.

Pros:
BTC
Vanilla Style Gameplay(Not a pro in my opinion but they advertise this.)
[feel free to add some in your reply]

I guess I was wrong?
Course not, we have differing experiences/opinions.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: bitpop on December 28, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
Hilarious

Can someone tell me the business model? Why's he giving out Bitcoin? Also can I use minecraft phone edition?


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: 7Priest7 on December 28, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
Hilarious

Can someone tell me the business model?
He loses money on the BTC.
Why's he giving out Bitcoin?
To promote his otherwise unbearable and generic server.
Also can I use minecraft phone edition?
I doubt it.


Title: Re: Petition to stop minecraft server.
Post by: KonstantinosM on December 28, 2013, 11:05:00 PM
OP you're such a spammer it's not even funny.

I was nearly convinced this was a joke and you were advertising that service. Hell with the language used I almost bought a minecraft account just to go and play on that site (until I found out I couldn't pay with bitcoin)

In case this is not some sort of advertisement you are simply wrong in your petition. This is not exploitation. Prisoners in china being forced to mine WOW gold are being exploited. Children (in the US by the way) being allowed to work on farms at any age instead of going to school are being exploited. People in 3rd world nations working 20 hours a day with nearly no food while being slaves are being exploited.

Children playing a computer game and making a few bitcoins on the side is a great thing. It is a service both to the children and the bitcoin community. (One that I support if I understand it correctly 100%)