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/sigh*/

Are there actually any other women here?

Everyday I wake up and check the posts on the Wall Thread and all that's gone before are (given the time zone) US men measuring their cocks and posturing.  Really guys a Freudian would have field day with some of you. I appreciate speculating is a male dominated area but really...do you have to be so Neanderthal.

I've been reading these forums since almost the beginning and fought the urge to join because internet forums tend to be frat houses in general but at least now I can press ignore on the massive flacid egos like Walsoraj, Crumbs, Pannakke (do you even mine?) or TERA.

Since I've joined I've tried to be helpful and polite, offer some insight where possible (gosh can a noob know anything or be anything other than a spotty adolescent), tried to join in the back slapping, I've sent hopefully helpful PMs to people who have asked for information but most users don't reply and only a small percentage are actually polite - its as if your join date equals your social class.  

Yet, you want the rest of the world to adopt BTC - well, I've got some news guys...new people love being treated like dirt...us women especially...we find it such a winning business strategy. That comes in heavy irony tags for those of you a bit slow on emotional intelligence.

The only positive from the last 8 hours of the above thread is seeing Chodpaba again....hurrah for a polite, sensible and considered voice - I wish you'd restart your Peak/Reversal Watch thread.

The rest of you - try respecting each other and especially newcomers - the world is watching you/us now, you/we are ambassadors for Bitcoin, try and behave like adults.  And perhaps a few less "I'd fap her" and soft-porn images would stop the general tone that you are basically a bunch of bitter, middle-aged, sexually frustrated, misogynistic geeks.

Just a thought :-*

Nan

PS.....and no I'm not a dyke, or not getting any etc etc...happilly married for 14 years.

if the world is looking at bitcointalk.org to see whether bitcoin is worth the risk...

...bitcoin is doomed.

Get back in the kitchen.

Yes most of this board is the noise of arguing for some reason; but so much of every forum is dominated by such things.

Shut the fuck up, I hate my fellow man every single time one says/writes bullshit like. Nanobrain comes on with very reasonable female perspective and you shit all over it for a laugh.  >:(

Nanobrain, while I'm a guy, I can understand your frustration out of empathy. I also understand why many woman simply don't let it be known they are woman online because endless harassment or bullshit like you find annoying. Humanity has a long way left to go.

scnr

Seriously? Fuck off.

You too madame.

tits or GTF....

just kidding

The world will be a marginally better place once you are gone.

Hehe. Well you sort of have a point. Consider the early adopter crowd, though; it was incredibly difficult for bitcoin to reach beyond the realm of the tech savvy young male, who spends a disproportionate amount of time on the web, and had become accustom to comminicating with memes, and/or trolling the forums. Some of the names you mentioned are people trying to be a d-bag. They are playing a role.

In addition to this, there are another class of commentators in this subforum, the manipulators. You'll see them every day, posting an extremely bearish or bullish view on bitcoin, spreading their own propaganda in an attempt to influence price, or investor emotions. They will also pretend to be really concerned about some flaw that they've identified with bitcoin, and/or, project that it will be worth millions at any moment, based on some example or extrapolation of price movements that they've construed onto bitcoin.

There are also puppets. The alt accounts of the members of the 2 previous categories. They simply log in with another name in order to agree (or sometimes disagree) with themselves, or gang up on those with an opposing view.

Then realize that the incentive to really share your personal views and strategies in this forum is a negative one. In a free market, if everyone agrees on what is going on, or what should happen, or everyone knows what one large entity is going to do, they can use that to their advantage. Bitcoin is a financial instrument after all. This also limits open and honest discussion, to some degree. The speculation forum has a lot of speculators in it.

Once you can categorize people quickly and on the fly, and with liberal use of the ignore button, this place isn't that bad. It just takes some digging.

Hey, I'm not the one wishing death on people.

cant say i appreciate this being moved to OT.  its like kick em while they are down.  and the wall observer has been getting rude lately I don't appreciate nsfw images showing up when I try to learn the latest bitcoin news.  this criticism is valid.  mods do your job.

lol I feel honored.

Yeah, it's pretty disappointing isn't it.
I'm going to message Blitz.

good luck with that

Hi Nan, i enjoyed your post, it was insightful, comical (where meant to be), and honest. I've sent a few unanswered PM's too, I was thinking maybe i'm quarantined to the newbie sandbox. I'll PM you to see if it works.
Cheers!
James

A shame its just "hahahaha" especially since you appear to be a reasonable man, I enjoy your insights and appear to be in my area of the world - lets face it women can get a raw deal in SE Asia but often work harder and have to put up with far more shit than the men ...but I know you recently treated your partner to a new house, so you are at least doing something ;)

I do use the ignore button but I guess the point of my "rant" was to highlight more the fact that as BTC profile rises this forum, like all things in life it is going to have to adapt or die  - people showing each other some basic respect would seem like a good place to start.

And thank you all for the kind PMs I've been receiving...very cool (as the young folk may have once said) ;)

Oh yeah, about this bit. I have been here for a few weeks now and have never not felt welcome. Not sure what kind of problem I am supposed to be having with the regs, someone enlighten me so I can feel properly mad about it?

And re: reading this board to find out if bitcoin is worth investing in: that's what I did, and now I'm holding some of them and so is my old man. Maybe I was wrong all along though, it would perhaps have been better to look at the tone of people posting instead of analyzing the numbers?

*slips on fedora* ... well, hello m'lady.

oh, and by the way, men can be alpha male assholes, but women can equally be bitches. if this site were a female dominated forum, i'm sure there'd be quite a few catty bad apples.

The vast majority of posters here are male. In my experience around half of them are decent people, a quarter are trolls and the remainder are newbies or egomaniacs.

That being the case, I'd say it's normal to see strong male orientated behaviour here. Is some of it distasteful, yes but are you saying that this is purely gender related? You're saying a group of women would behave differently?

If so, isn't what you're saying inherently sexist?

What you're saying is females are better people which I disagree with. I think you can be good or bad and be male or female. I don't feel women have the monopoly on sensible discourse.

P.S. I've personally not seem much in the way of sexism at all (other than overt sexist posts which I assume to be jokes), if anything, this is one of the most sexist posts I've seen simply because there's no irony or humour here. You're pretty serious in your belief that female behaviour is better behaviour.

The world will see itself here, for good or bad. This is a very big community already and it seems BC is a currency. It has a long way to develop, I believe the push will be mostly positive.  People who come here want BC and they are positive, because they are here. This forum will be a +push outward, expanding the currency.

Reading a pro-Bitcoin website to decide whether to 'invest' in Bitcoin sounds like confirmation bias to me  ;D

i've been here a few weeks, and with /r/bitcoin on reddit for some time.. and it IS confirmation bias. some of the people here are wearing glasses with the BTC sign on them. but still, this site is still useful for good information - you just have to filter the bad stuff out.

Yep!

Absolutely, I am not saying all women are paragons of virtue, intellect or even-handedness...far from it.  However, you cannot (surely) disagree this is a male-dominated world? Crypto is a reflection and magnification of that.

On the wall-observer thread you will see countless images of women, so much so I'm being to think TA doesn't stand for 'Technical Analysis' but 'Tits n Ass'.   It's the thin of the wedge.  For all the noobs (I've been aware of BTC for a long-time and started an account in 2011 but didn't bother posting) perhaps head over to the troll-box on BTCe where you'll find the thick end of the wedge.

There all women are bitches to be slapped - it's the pornification of women. Some comments from last night which spring to mind:
"with my profits I'm going to get a whore on a leash"
"Made so much money gonna have a hundred ho's and a gang bang"
The word 'rape' is thrown around with abandon.

Yet, you'll get a ban for the heinous crime of using ALL CAPS!!

Oh, it's just trolling you laugh...but prostitution is not a fun career and a rape fantasy often ends up being fulfilled in real life

These are the people mining crypto and from what I can make out they're not a pleasant bunch.

Mainly it is...I don't see "double bottom" being represented by a man's ass or even a normal woman's ass...its always a young, tanned, perfectly formed ass....its an excuse for a bit of soft-porn for the lads.

Of course, they'd behave differently....they may not behave better but I imagine you'd get pretty sick of seeing pictures of male bottoms. And most mature, intelligent women would find endless images of George Clooney a bit tiresome too.


Not sure if you're trolling by this point but this is a straw man....I won't waste time burning it down.


Veering all over the road now and trying to put words in my mouth.

Think Values > Attitudes > Behaviour.


See the above points and posts but I'll draw attention to your statement about 'jokes'.  Interesting isn't it that you automatically assume sexist behaviour is a joke, while pointing out that this behaviour can be harmful is sexist.  I guess nigger jokes are just harmless fun too?

You are clearly talking from a dominant social position - spend your life being the butt of 'jokes' and see how quickly they wear thin.

you are quite welcome

post all the bare chested beefcake you like, straining briefs for extra points

Respect cuts both ways and I won't go down that road.

"Women wanted liberation but settled for equality"

At this point, remembering that crypto is going to bring us a Brave New World Order (supposedly according to many here)...lets lighten things up with a game.

Spot the Female

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/trading-floor.jpg

Remember these are the fiat folk you all supposedly hate and want to replace.

Plus ca change?

please do not fall into the trap of conflating feminism with an anti sex world view

i didn't see any boobs, so there are no females in that picture  ;D

Jerk.

*IF* you have an unlucky lady in your life... let me guess - mail ordered? Or maybe you're just a old man living in a time long gone. Get over it.

yeah, that's offensive. all the best chefs in the world are men you know!

FYI, this is the internet.. i know people can get upset at how fucked up it is, but it's best not to take too seriously.

Instead of trying to change the behavior of men you may want to take a deep look at yourself. There is nothing wrong with objectifying women, and women objectify men all the time. Porn is morally right and so is prostitution. To me this looks like a topic about an envious feminist lost in male dominated space. If you're going to convert people to your ideology this is certainly not the place! Young males can see right through your feminist bullshit. I'd rather look into political parties for socialist or something. It's much more likely to find males who can surrender to your world view there.

I'm secretly laughing my ass off at this topic, I'm sorry. But when you get offended by a "trollbox", it's not just the people there who have problems.

There is an ignore button, and I really don't see why you didn't use it on that one person who posted "porn" in the wall observer thread if those prettier girls bothers you so much.

Personally, I see a lot of huge tits :)

I do have a sense of humour!!

My point with all this is that BTC appears to be dominated by men who ironically hold very similar values to the men who run fiat.

If we want to change the world we are all going to have to change our attitudes and try being more respectful to each other and understand that images/words on the internet have power.

As a mod here with whom I have had an interesting discussion said:
"I'm sure you will find it true in many more ways that some of us have become the very things we used to abhor."

well, i can't disagree with you. it's a trend i have noticed too, but women aren't naturally aren't attracted to technology or economics/currency as much as men are. if anything, the men here are probably more nerdy.. so it would be nice if other women were into BTC, so we'd have an excuse to talk to them  :o

the males here are alpha for certain, but i don't think they are as bad as sociopath wall streeters.

Wow, what an interesting response: so, it's my fault....my first thought is that's the sort of defence rapists use.

Porn and prostitution are morally OK... a very dubious intellectual position.
Perhaps read this before replying...there are plenty of links but I chose the FBI one because I think you are in the US...apologies if I'm wrong.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/march_2011/human_sex_trafficking
 (ftp://http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/march_2011/human_sex_trafficking)
I'm just envious of prettier girls LOL....so automatically, a woman who doesn't hold your views is an ugly, old socialist dyke.  I don't regard myself as either politically active or a feminist FYI.

But old...guilty as charged...I'm probably old enough to be your mother....I'm guessing you have a mother, perhaps a sister or partner - how would you feel if she was raped/abused/sold to the sex-slave trade?  And how would you feel if that rapist had nurtured their fantasies on the internet?

I'd say holding very extreme views like you have (re. prostitution and porn) often invites the fates to test them out. I sincerely hope they don't.

But it's interesting that you say 'Young males'...which seems to imply that older, wiser heads understand the issues? You're probably right.

And I think this word "troll" has become an easy 'get out jail' card for people to say any sort of ugly, spiteful shite and justify it..."I was only joking".  Words have power especially in medium that is virtually souly word-based.

I'm not trying to convert people to feminism...ah, read the posts above....but as I said to someone else you seem to be speaking from a position of social power.  And as a white, middle-class female I can say I'm pretty lucky compared to many of the women around the world .

again nan, you are falling into his trap by equating feminism with a shaming, anti sex worldview, this is a losing position, please don't

i don't think porn and prostitution are the same thing as human sex trafficking.

What's interesting is that if you look at the stats (I'm not sure about the US but in the UK and AU definitely) males have been overtaken by females at school in subjects such as maths and science. 

Anyway, BTC is approaching my sell-level so I'm off for a trade or three: a girl's gotta make a dollar. :)

Trying to put me in the same group as rapist, a promising start.

You're uncertain.

Then you proceed to give me a link about human sex trafficking, which has absolutely nothing to do with whether porn and prostitution is moral.

It never cease to amaze me how often this turns out to be the case, the fact that your so old you could probably be my mother confirms this suspicion.

Where did this whole rape and abuse thing come from all of sudden? I don't see myself defending either.

You believe that age and wisdom is always a correlation. Another fallacy.

If you can't handle it, stay away from it. What do you want to do? Arrest them ?

You sure are, now what does that have to do with anything exactly?

yeah, sorry but.. i agree with the guys. equating prostitution with human trafficking sounds.. feminist to me.

see nan, there you go, you have just succeeded at reinforcing these boys' view of feminism as a no sex, no fun, shame and censorship movement...thanks


boys, feminism is none of that, feminism is about your sisters having an equal shot, about women as valued partners in society, something I think the vast majority of young people accept pretty much by default


once we dispense with that, then we can move on and have fun and enjoy being human

they're all just labels. if you label feminist as believing in equal rights, then i guess i'm a feminist. if you refer feminism to ball-busting, blame everything on alpha males.. then i am not one.

the male version of a feminist, at least in its negative connotation, as the male version of a misogynists.. the kind that threaten female actors because they play ball-busting characters. they are both extremists.

let's make one thing clear though: women suck at sports.

or are the sports that are pushed by the media skewed toward male abilities?

there are some female biathletes out there that are straight up wicked dangerous

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTV8gPsh5O5sAZXoXW80RCpQ4d3Ka-LzZdRUBSR9z6DoxrDOVQxqg

or what about  Kenda Lenseigne (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlTDxkwcA4g)

nah, it's just that women are inferior when it comes to sports. there was a thread about it on reddit the other day. serena williams, possibly the best women's player in the world, lost a match against a world rank 200ish player... who drank and smoked during the game.

i don't think that makes me sexist though.. because it's just true  :P

She's right, the Bitcoin world is insanely sexist.  It's not subtle, I'm not sure how you can deny it. 

Like some months ago when a woman made a vlog on youtube wherein she specifically reached out to other women, encouraging them to get involved with Bitcoin.  Then she posted it to the bitcoin subreddit, stating explicitly that it was an outreach to women.  The top voted comments were all from men saying stuff like, "look, we get it, you're looking for attention, but this really isn't doing it, you should try posting to girls gone bitcoin".  I felt like my eyes were about to start bleeding when I saw those responses.

Don't all these young guys realize that if the other half of the human race adopts bitcoin they'll be twice as rich?

As sad as it is, a better and more general title for the this thread would be:

If you aren't libertarian, or if you aren't male, or if you aren't a computer programmer, or if your favorite movie is not The Matrix, or if you want to challenge facets of bitcoin, or if you want to challenge all the stereotypical traits of male, socially challenged, geeky, forum dwellers, and if you act like you're older than sixteen, or if you don't like to use the word 'Statist' in every other sentence, and if you think people are idiots for believing in conspiracy theories, then you're not welcome here.

@nanobrain  - Don't get me wrong. I think there's plenty wrong with 'people'. You're right about rape, it's not funny because it's threatening.

I think what you're missing is both sexes are bad - they're just bad in different ways. Doesn't make one worse than the other but it does make them harder to compare.

Sure, men wave their di*ks around, women manipulate with their bodies. It's the way we were built.

Are either sex capable of bad behaviour? Yes.

Are the types of behaviour the same? No.

Imagine if I were to go to a baby forum and claim there was so much oestrogen-fuelled posting or talk of 'how to trap your man' and start posting "you women are so bad" comments. I'd have a point but I'd be missing the bigger picture.

All people have the potential for good/bad behaviour. It doesn't matter the gender.

....also cleaner bathrooms if only there were more unisex restrooms.
and a more organized man-cave.

The fact that the second reply was "Get back in the kitchen" really surprises me!
I mean it took to long according to community's standards  :P :P

This reminds me of a thread that was made complaining about the racists on this forum, this is a classic thing of not using your brain and clicking that ignore button at the bottom of a persons profile. These people spam the boards and deliberately try to upset people like you because it's easy, don't fall for their traps and make a huge deal about it.

As has been said many people being complained about on this forum are on my ignore list as well, usually they just go away after awhile because they're being attention whores and trying to upset people People have the right here to say whatever they want, but you also have the right and the ability to ignore them without pestering everybody else to do something about it.

You're a joke, OP.

Starting with a reasonable observation ("kinda unfriendly atmosphere for women") and then you nonchalantly let fly:


Ergo: You're not one bit better than those you resent.

Fuck off. That's my professional, gender neutral opinion.

I also blame U.S. black "gangsta" rappers and their lyrics for this crap. It's way worse since they started spitting their woman-hating garbage, a decade ago or so.

ftfy - with emphasis, in case you didn't understand the meaning of the full sentence.

The people who are behaving this way are not going to change because you're complaining. This is the internet and you need to develop a thick skin pretty quickly because there are a-holes everywhere and there's only so much can be done. The mods could be doing a better job but that particular forum moves so quickly, it's would be a never-ending battle. Personally, I could do without the NSFW pictures anyway. Not because I find them particularly offensive, just because they're not really appropriate.

As I often say, if you think you could do better, do so. No one is stopping you.

With these things out of the way, I have to say to Nanobrain that whilst your complaints are not unfounded and looking through your posts, I see nothing too out of line, there does seem to be an aspect that you're looking to be offended. In the environment that you're in here, that's only going to have negative effects on yourself and no one else. Better to choose to let it go by.

Oh, porn and prostitution? There's worse jobs. I've heard stories of men down in ditches in sub-zero temperatures trying to seal up a pipe that's spewing raw sewage amongst others. You'll have a hard time convincing me that letting someone point a camera at you while you take your clothes off on an air-conditioned set or a beach in the tropics is a problem.

you can't argue with that, it's not sexist, it's fact
man are simply better at sports, that's the way we evolved, woman stayed in the cave and raise the children and man went out to hunt :D
we developed our bodies for physical activity more than woman and that's probably why it's so..

Really? You want to play the exegesis game? okay, let's get back to complete OP's post...




tl;dr: It's the Internet, you should know how it works by now: the combination of a few real neckbeards, anonymity and teenage immaturity means there will always be some jerk posters. Doesn't mean you can't appeal to people, but accusing the predominantly male userbase of being more or less universally dicks isn't going to help your case.

if you think it's bad is it currently is.. could you imagine wall street sociopaths anonymously behind a computer? it'd be 10x worse.

Fine - beg to differ. I read the OP and found it entirely inoffensive (to me as a man) and substantially true. If bitcoin's devotees want to pretend that they're somehow different they need to behave like they're different, and they don't: the forum is not a welcoming place for women, particularly when they're told to "fuck of" for having the temerity to express an opinion. But then this is hardly new. As Rebecca West said at the beginning of the last century:

“I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat, or a prostitute.”

Prostitutes can't have good opinions? That statement is kind-of telling in itself.

OTOH, I just went and read about her a little and she seems like she was probably OK. Though I'm sure this quote was somewhat tongue-in-cheek

No, that is pretty much the feminist MO. They hate men.

Which is also why the OP is finding this place less welcoming than might be possible. Simply dropping the shaming and blaming part of her posts would fix most of it. But that is not going to happen.

There are two versions of the quote in different books, and the first just finishes at doormat.  I think the idea with prostitute is that you expect them to say what men want to hear - she's talking about expressing independent opinion after all.  She also said “The main difference between men and women is that men are lunatics and women are idiots.” - so she didn't pull her punches.  Fantastic writer - George Bernard Shaw seems to have thought that she was better at it than him.

Rebecca West didn't hate men - and they didn't hate her, just check out her wikipedia page.  But she did reserve the right, throughout her life, to say what she thought even if it was against the trend.

Love the rant

About time somebody called out the elephant in the room...

Who the fuck cares about someone who died the year after I was born. The feminism we have today is completely different. Find a modern example. Just try, if you can.

Dude, where are you getting any of this from?

In the first paragraph of my first post here I said "you start with a decent point, that this place can be unwelcome to women". So I'm acknowledging that.

She then continues with what I consider a pretty genderist post, and for that I tell her to fuck off.

Got a problem with that? Cause I tell that to anyone who I think acts like a dick. And I shouldn't treat women different in principle from man, agreed?

And re: your last line. What makes you think I'm not a feminist? I do however have little patience for whiny housewives complaining that the boy's club she just joined doesn't fall over backwards to change their culture to accommodate her sensitivities.

P.S. I give some credit to OP for starting this thread, at least. Interesting discussion, and somewhat necessary.

p.p.s. at least equally important discussion though:

WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO FEW WOMEN IN BITCOIN? I did a survey here myself a while ago, and some others did so as well before, and the numbers are like 90+% here are guys.

Whose fault is that? Nothing prevents women (in sufficiently rich countries) to join this ride, correct? So I am actually worried that, if this whole BTC thing takes off, in 20 years from now women will be *again* fucked economically if they don't get on board NOW.

Let's discuss THAT.

a) why aren't there more women investing in btc?

b) how can we get more women onboard? and don't just say: "just act nicer to women on this forum". that's not going to happen universally (see my explanation of neckbeards+anonymity above), so we need a different, actually practical solutin IMO.

Men are better at math, computers, economy etc than women. That is simple reality. Nothing can change that.

I'm earning... ridiculous ROI, as we are all well aware. My old man is investing. My mom is not, and my sister thinks it is a bad joke (as does her banker boyfriend).

Reality is a bitch sometimes, s'all.

You are going to be in for a nasty shock when you meet a genuinely intelligent woman.

More like a pleasant surprise. Met a few over the decades. Met thousands who were not.

See, your mistake is responding to a troll. That'll encourage him.

Plus, if he would be half as good at math as he claims he is he would know that from his anecdotally sized sample ("my mom, my dad") he cannot draw any conclusions. And if he knew the scientific literature, he would know that the iq question is pretty much open atm.

But since he isn't smart or well read, he still lives in his parents' basement. Have some pity please.

The sample size was "thousands" and "decades". What's wrong with you? You made some decent points earlier, and now this? You are a weird donkey.

Maybe you are asking the wrong question. Maybe the question we should be asking is "Why are there some women investing in BTC?" As a women myself, I am curious to know if there are any common attributes of us women who are involved in BTC that might make us more likely to be involved compared to other women.

As for feminism, there are various forms of feminism (at least according to what I remember from a feminist philosophies class).

Good point. Mind if I ask what your education background is? One of the STEM fields (which probably unites a majority of early adopters in most tech-related innovations)?

Then again, I noticed there's a number of (sometimes older) guys in here that are quite far from those fields (there's a pretty funny dude who seems to work with barn wood, and he seems to be btc loaded :D).

Maybe there is *some* element of 'willingness to take potentially irrational risks' involved. Don't want to sound cliche, but there is to my knowledge (though I'm not a biologist or psychologist) some scientific evidence that men are slightly more inclined to take greater risks*, which puts them at a disadvantage at times, but can also pay off if things work out.

Would be interesting to have a survey (among both men and women) to see if, on average, the early BTC are "risk takers", by comparison...


* claims like that require proof, I know. If requested, I'll look up the sources for it.

The speculation board isn't exactly filled with the brightest minds, if you haven't noticed :P

the actual fuck?  While this doesn't really even warrant a response I'm just going to drop this here anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper

Hi All,
And many thanks to those who have taken the time to post thoughtful replies either pro or anti my position.  Unfortunately, I haven't got time to respond to each individually plus I have received at least one pm which suggests this isn't going to resolve itself nicely.

However, I just want to make a couple of points:

1. To all those who say my OP was OTT...well, maybe it was and maybe there are intellectual or argumentative flaws in there.  But hey, sometimes you are angry and I'm not going apolgise for that - oda.krell: sometimes you get angry when you have a lifetime of this shit and you see it replicated by people who claim to be creating a new fairer world.  

This is my first main point: if crypto is meant to be part of the NWO then this stuff needs to aired and if you are male and this sensitive then really you should go live somewhere where you are in the minority.  You'll soon understand, believe me.

2.  A lot of the advice I am getting is to 'play them at their own game'.  I won't do that because this is a fallacious strategy.  Women behaving like men does not allow women to be women and in the end men will always win: as I said earlier "women wanted liberation but settled for equality".

3. The porn question.  It's a thin end of a wedge and I guess the younger males here have grown up with so much porn and female imagery that it just feels normal but it's not.  

I am, by trade many things including a scientist. So, let's leave the moral and ethical debates and the burgeoning sex slave trade for a minute and look at some science. Although not my field I have a particular interest in neurology.  Dr Valerie Voon has studied the impacts of porn on the brain - I believe this paper has yet to published and is in peer-review.  However, the impact of pleasurable behaviour is not disputed, see: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627309010459 (ftp://http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627309010459)
while addictions to porn are a recognised phenomena.

A more accessible precis can be found here:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/brain-scans-porn-addicts-sexual-tastes (ftp://http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/brain-scans-porn-addicts-sexual-tastes)

An addiction's ability to change behaviour is well documented and across large social groups is an especially powerful feature that should not be ignored.  Imagine you were forced to eat chocolate or smoke cigarettes where ever you turned in your daily routine - how long before you became addicted, how long before your behaviour changed to accommodate this need?

For those with short attention spans (tl:dr) I'll leave you with this excerpt:

Just from this post it looks from my point of view you're a hysterical feminist and you need to get a grip and realise there are sexists out there as well as people like me who simply don't give a fuck one way or another, yes, if you're being denied job opportunities etc. then you have every right to rant about it but if some random prick says something it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference in the world whether anyone does something about it or not.

By the way, I watch tons of porn and I'm well aware that's not how most women are in real life because I actually talk to them, be sure to get that moronic stereotype out of your head, bitching about female imagery just makes girls seem like they're projecting their own insecurity about their bodies to me and blaming it on the media.

I really hope you're more intelligent than ktttn and that user is supposed to be a guy.

So, on the one hand I'm stupid but on the other you chose to ignore the science I've posted links to.

Hhh,mm which is it?

There is a famous quote by Edward de Bono which to paraphrase says, a person's ego stops them exploring information that may contradict the ego's position.  I'd politely suggest perhaps your ego is getting the better of you.

Is not true intellectual intelligence the ability to accept and assimilate new information?

oh man, i like this.. if i were married to a woman like nanobrain, every day i'd feel emasculated as she attempted to sodomize me with her dildo  ;D

absolutely nothing

arousal is in the mind, if 70 something Hugh's trigger was tripped by the idea of women having sex in front of an audience it is not our place to judge...and your doing so smacks dangerously of Abrahamic puritanism in a new guise.

Sex is natural, pleasurable, and good.  "Sex addiction" is laughable on the face of it.  Know what? I also have an oxygen addiction...cant get enough of the stuff, have to have it every day...food too.

Read the papers and the article...you don't have an oxygen addiction.

Oxygen does not work on the pleasure receptors of the brain creating doperegenic reactions...some foods do though  - chocolate for one.  Cheese actually contains caesomorphines, which are a mild opiates, whihc is why cheese is so nice for most people.

For those with long term exposure, porn creates the same pleasure/reward relationship. 

We are essentially creatures that work on a reward system.  Please everyone, take a chance to read the science before posting a counter argument.

OK, last post here for a while.

Here's something a bit more confrontational.

NSFW
http://tigerbeatdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/tumblr_l9tddgVlu31qbkli6.jpg

And an interesting discussion.

http://tigerbeatdown.com/2010/10/05/lessons-from-art-feminism-gets-semen-all-over-your-face/ (ftp://http://tigerbeatdown.com/2010/10/05/lessons-from-art-feminism-gets-semen-all-over-your-face/)

Edit: link fixed.

And for what it's worth, unlike tigerbeatdown I actually think the above is an insight piece - whether the artist is a man or woman is irrespective.

Buckle up.
Dworkin 1981 - Pornography - Chapter 1 - page 11.

"The power of men is first a metaphysical assertion of self, an I am that exists a priori, bedrock, absolute, no embellishment or apology required, indifferent to denial or challenge.  It expresses intrinsic authority.  It never ceases to exist no matter or on what grounds it is attacked; and some assert that it survives physical death.  This self is not merely subjectively felt. It is protected by laws and customs, upheld in the distribution of wealth. This self cannot be eradicated or reduced to nothing. It is. When the subjective sense of self falters, institutions devoted to it's maintenance buoy it up.

The first tenet of male-supremacist ideology is that men have this self and that women must, by definition, lack it."

Tell you a little story nan

A few years ago I was in Seattle while the Frida collection was on display at the SAM.  The venue had purchased advertising throughout the market, including wall to wall wraps on some city buses.  I'm waiting at a crosswalk and this bus comes by with that exact self portrait and some toucans on it.  The text, as tall as the bus, literally as big as they could fit, was like

Frida Kahlo

then in letters maybe 20cm high "Diego Rivera and Mexican Impressionism"

It was so fucking cool, I started tearing up and almost lost my balance, still gives me shivers today.



And yet, I don't think there is anything wrong with facials.  It is all about the context.  Sometimes it is not about making the receiver feel dirty, but about making the spewer feel clean.  Lots of boys have very traumatic early sexual experiences with young women suddenly horrified at the physical manifestation of their ecstasy.  Not very surprising, really, if it becomes a complex later in life.  People just want to be accepted.

i don't have a problem with facials either, but then again i'm a guy... BUT i think the term bukkake came when the japanese men who labelled a woman as "the village whore" in order to shame them.

From the article:
So, to recap: First, we were geniuses. Then, we were harpies. And now, we’re whores.

nanobrain: Your links don't matter. Your arguing from effect, not from a moral point of view. Once you realize your faulty logic we can have a reasonable discussion.

Oh snap, you're a sex-negative feminist... I should have known it. Damn woman, get with the times. Feminism =/= crypto-puritanism, y'know.

nanobrain, if it makes you feel any better.. there are ladies who emasculate men and get paid in doing so (and they are now accepting bitcoin). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323234.0

i hope this cheers you up. ladies such as those are definitely.. sticking it to the man. they'll tie you up and call you a weak little girl.. oh, wait.. nevermind about that one.

This is the trouble with seeing oneself by a quality (i.e. gender, ethnicity, religion, political position), as opposed to seeing oneself as a person.  The only way to escape the cage is to see it.

It's not a matter of "I am a woman and you should respect me"; it's a matter of, "I am a person, so what does my gender matter?"  You only play into the sexist's game by accepting their label, and thus assume the very role you disliked to begin with.

+1

Sorry for the late reply...

My educational background is probably a healthy mix. As an undergrad I studied Political Science with minors in Asian Studies and Philosophy but my Masters is in Educational Technology. While I was an undergrad I worked for my university's IT department. I kind of unintentionally prepared myself for that job by exploring tech (particularly web development) & the Internet instead of doing homework in high school. Plus my parents didn't know squat about computers so somebody had to take care of the viruses and spyware :P

I agree about 'willingness to take potentially irrational risks' though. Compared to my boyfriend, I am the risk-taker in our relationship. He was very apprehensive about me getting involved in Bitcoins at first because he was worried about the risks involved. His background is CS and Math if that makes a difference.

I would definitely be interested if someone did a survey to find out if it is educational background, willingness to take risks, etc.