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Hi Dudes,
now let's see how BFL plays with us Monarch Customers.

The goal of this topic is to list the orders from ButterflyLabs for the Monarch ASICs and track delivery sucess
and to inform u about the aktual status of development.
Please only post paid orders!

This Topic is not for bashing BFL, there are already enougth threads for that Goal.
Please no trolling!


Status Update by BFL_Josh on 2013-Dec-02: We still expect to ship the bulk of the orders in/around February

Status Update BFL_Josh 01-04-2014:  ...we are still on target for the chips rolling out of the fab on the 9th of January.


Status Update BFL_Josh 01-13-2014: Josh just tweeted saying "Chips have arrived at the packaging facility!"




Give your :
Order number (Without the last digit eg 1234x)
Date of payment
Method of Payment
Type of Mashines (300 or 600GH/s Modell)
Number of machines ordered.
Country to delivery

feel free to give additional SpecialInformas as Discount offer, Invoice Nr. or order Transfers aso!


After taking your datas in to the List i will delete your postings to hold this thread small, don't worry about that!


Thanks for your participation.



Username            Order Number    Payment Date   Payment Type  Quantity    Type 300/600   Destination  DateReceived    SpecialInfo    
 

xstr8guy              1000439xx               2013.08.17        Bitcoin                1            600          USA                  -       invoice#1000202xx
RenHoek              1000751xx               2013.08.21        BankTransfer       1            600      Germany              - Refund Request
RenHoek              BFL-239379269xx     2013.11.29        BitPay                 1            600      Germany              -         /BlkFrdy. 25%off
Anonymousg64     BFL-018368269xx             -               BitPay                 1              -              -
crazyates                   -                        2013.11.29            -                     1              -              -                    -
xstr8guy              BFL-2480572xx         11/29/2013        BitPay                 1           600          USA                  -         /BlkFrdy. 25%
bcp19                  BFL-789139xxx         11/29/2013           -                     1            300             -                   -        /BlkFrdy. 25%
alphabetacanary   BFL-012028xxx         11/29/2013        Bitpay                 1           600          USA                  -         /BlkFrdy. 25%
makbot                        -                      08/17/2013        Bitpay                 1           600          USA                  -      
Roy Badami             1000749xx            19 Aug 2013       Bitcoin                1           600          UK                    -        
sgbett               1000748xx / 961xx         8/19/13              BTC                 1           600          UK                    -      
svetbg                  BFL-56823XXXX        2013.12.02        Bitcoin                1           600      Bulgaria                 -      
eightcylinders        BFL-56823XXXX        1-9-2014          Bitcoin                 3           600         USA                    -    

Informations:
Thema: Monarch Information

from BFL_Josh:
There's been a bit of a delay at the foundry on our chips and scheduling. The sample chips have been delayed a few weeks (still waiting on an exact date), so this should only affect the earliest customers, who we've already contacted with regards to the delay. The majority of customers should not be affected much, if at all.

 When I have a specific date from the foundry, I will post an update here with a revised timeline. We still expect to ship the bulk of the orders in/around February. Anyone ordering now will probably not get their order until March or April, just as an FYI and in the spirit of trying to keep realistic expectations on shipping times.

 Due to the delay for the earliest people, the ones affected will be upgraded to the watercooled version for free. The watercooled Monarch will be a closed loop system, so no maintenance will be required.

 :-\


BFL_Josh 12-09-2013, 03:30 PM at BFL:

Last week, we met with the foundry to go over details of the delay and reach a definitive conclusion. According to the foundry, we should have the first chips on January 9th (still determining specific quantity), but we will be taking delivery of more wafers every week after that, so it really shouldn't affect anything as far as wafer availability goes, regardless of how many come on the 9th.

 At that point, chips are shipped to slicing, packaging and bumping, which is estimated to take roughly a week. After that, they are sent to our ASIC design team for testing. This may take up to a week, possibly longer but we believe it will be less than a week for chip bring up. Once the chip(s) are verified working and properly binned, they are sent to our facility in Chicago for mounting on boards and send to several places for more testing and final firmware programming. This should take another week or so. Once that is completed, we will begin shipping product - during this entire time, more wafers will be rolling off the line and going through the same process, so we should have plenty of chips available and ready to go by the time the units are actually ready to be shipped. I don't yet know what that count will be specifically, but it should be a fairly significant portion of the pre-orders. At this point, it looks like the only hold would pose a problem is if the chip didn't work properly for some reason, but we have no reason to believe that is going to be a problem, as the chip is based on our proven 65nm desgin.

 As usual, all of these times and dates are estimates only. It may take more time, it may take less time for each step, but that is the timeline we are working under right now, but it is subject to change. Right now, the plan is for everyone that has a current pre-order, you will be upgraded to the water cooled version of the Monarch for free to compensate for the slight delay.



BFL_Josh 01-04-2014, 11:09 AM at BFL

Since I haven't updated this in awhile, I just wanted to put in a quite update and let everyone know that we are still on target for the chips rolling out of the fab on the 9th of January.

 As soon as I hear something more, I will update here... but the 9th is still the day. As I said above, it will take ~1 week to get the chips sliced and packaged hopefully before we can begin chip testing in earnest... hopefully less than a week, but we all know how that goes.

reserved

Still no news about the chips... :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdlOHNjCYAAEheK.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bdf6SWhCQAAJknA.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bdf3m3-CcAEipN_.jpg:large

Two different liquid cooling solutions, serial and parallel open and closed i guess to accommodate power hungry chips...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdfPjieIAAATl9d.jpg:large

The Monarch Chip:


http://greenbull.de/monarch_wirebond.jpg

http://s24.postimg.org/twvn5g30l/Monarch_ASIC_Packaged_2_1200px.jpg (http://s24.postimg.org/twvn5g30l/Monarch_ASIC_Packaged_2_1200px.jpg)

+

http://s30.postimg.org/j5kt1jrz5/Monarch_PCB.jpg (http://s30.postimg.org/j5kt1jrz5/Monarch_PCB.jpg)

=

?! :)

People who pre-ordered a monarch back in Sept of 2013 paid about 20 BTC for it. A monarch will probably never mine that much BTC even if it could do 600 GH/s and was delivered tomorrow. More likely, BFL product will do less than advertised and will be delivered sometimes between April and Oct (just like in last year's nooblet roast).

Those who pre-ordered in December might have only paid 3-4 BTC for one. They might be able to mine that much back with it (if it ever arrives), which would be amazing.

looks sexy and makes me want to order but the delay is keeping me away from ordering + the delaybutterfly labs delay history

Where is the latest report from Josh? 6 more weeks.

actually he posted on twitter that product will be delayed until april at least ... u go BFL !!!

Right now these products are more expensive that currently shipping products.  So paying in advance has brought a negative return. 

You can spend $1800 and get 600gh of Antminer S1's and get them in a few days.  They do take more power, but they will earn that extra cost in a few days of mining let alone a month of it while you are waiting for the BFL product.

They do? Are you sure? BFL is really good at underestimating power usage.

Right.  Furthering my point.  Plus Antminers do not need a host computer. 

1 TH Bitcoin Miner
Imperial Monarch


https://products.butterflylabs.com/1-th-bitcoin-miner.html


https://products.butterflylabs.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/imperial_monarch_web_1.gif

Can the OP be updated with any real news on delivery dates?

If any of those who ordered the Monarch want to join in on the class action I bet they have room for you here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners

04 March 2014 - Monarch Update

Chip Delay
however it will take approximately 5 weeks before we get packaged chips in hand, meaning the deployment of the Monarch will be delayed about 5 weeks from now. The specific date is still being determined, but I wanted to get an update out as soon as possible.

It's now 6 weeks! Have any more posts appeared?

Username            Order Number    Payment Date   Payment Type  Quantity    Type 300/600   Destination  DateReceived    SpecialInfo 

Mudbankkeith         1000703xx         2013.08.17    Bank Transfer           1            600             uk                  -             upgraded from 64nm(on day one of announcement )
Mudbankkeith         1000703xx         2014.03.18    free                        1            400             uk                  -             Imperial Monarch Performance Upgrade(on day one of announcement )
Mudbankkeith         1001079xx         2014.03.18    free                        1            600             uk                  -             Hashing Upgrade 600 device(on day one of announcement )

RenHoek              1000751xx               2013.08.21        BankTransfer       1            600      Germany              - Refund Request

Good Luck.

You might want to post your correspondence with BFL about your refund here.

Hi M**,

We're sorry you do not wish to remain in the Monarch order queue. Due to our recent delays you qualify for a refund.  ​​This refund process will take from 30-45 days since we are offering your position in the queue to potential buyers.  ​We appreciate your understanding for  ​the extra time​ this takes. If we are unable to sell your order we will, nevertheless, refund your money. Please  ​send us your BTC wallet address so we may make the refund OR send the following bank information so we can send a bank wire transfer:
 
 Bank name:
 Bank address:
 Swift:
 ABA / Routing:
 Account Name:
 Account Number:
 Account Address

The BF Labs Customer Service Team​​
Tamika

Sad. Now there is no possibility to roi, even with the compensation.

i just was hoping... but now, it seems that Josh loosed his mind. Fighting against windmills and his enemys on BFL Forum...

30-45 days? They should refund you immediately and hold that queue position while they sell it. Sounds like they have to raise more cash to be able to refund you.
Looks pretty bleak, hope you see some of your money back :(

 8/22/13 (this is april 2013 upgrade of stuff not available till Nov 25th or so in hindsight a "punt" sigh

Date Ordered   Order #1000417xx - Refund Requested MONARCH 600GH as per your info sent to me on my order being able to be refunded.

Requested Refund in that it was more then 6 months...as per their instructions I asked for such...got this reply
from BFL saying that er...i quote "If we are unable to sell your order we will, nevertheless, refund your money" er unquote
email reply is dated 3/19/14.

OF COURSE this is BEFORE the class action suit was filled so I expect an email "breaking that promise" with the line of
"due to circumstances beyond our control..etc etc"

but hey it was a nice daydream

I paid via WIRE XFER an an extra fee of like 1975.00 to upgrade if i remember right...a big regret UNLESS BY SOME ACT OF GOD
they actually DO refund me....at that point in time I will look to the skies for the large asteroid hurtling towards Earth.....would
only make sense

anyway I'll be the first to know huh?

below is the email stating "If we are unable to sell your order we will, nevertheless, refund your money."

email is quoted below from BFL

Hello_____,
We're sorry you do not wish to remain in the Monarch order queue. Due to our recent delays you qualify for a refund. ​​This refund process will take from 30-45 days since we are offering your position in the queue to potential buyers. ​We appreciate your understanding for ​the extra time​ this takes.  If we are unable to sell your order we will, nevertheless, refund your money. Thank you for sending us your repayment information.

Dennis
The BF Labs Customer Service Team​​

end of email

well....all I have in the drama so far will keep you updated

the only other 'snafu' I see is my payment info was PAYPAL so this also may be a stall when/if the deadline is past...I'm pretty sure paypal has ZIP to do with BFL anymore
or so I heard.

If they pay me the REFUND I will ..if not thank them at least on this an other forums acknowledge the fact that I did get refunded.....convoluted thought it may be

a lot of hoops to jump thru to get my April 12th 2013 ie 1 YEAR 1 DAY as of TODAY this post.... or so from my first order (all that week) paid back for the wringer they put all BFL customers through would still be a miracle of unicorn/rainbows and fairy like proportions imho...

anyway we will see

Searing

Do we know when the cards are due to be sent out or are they stalling as they don't have the chips to put on them?

when i got my email about a month ago on the supposed option to refund...they said the usual

"cards out in a month"  er ...from when they annouced the refund ie josh (see bfl forums)

same old same old line since last april 2013 in my case...the old joke "next month" never comes...

(man i get a bfl refund I"m sending a blind email out to kate upton for a date..the odds have to be the same!)

anyhow what i heard for what it is worth

Searing

2 weeks! Ha ha,

See how josh as ran off like the cockroach he is though, doesn't even respond to anyone/thing any more and even trys to buy trust as a last ditch attempt at... Well, tbh, I don't know what because 99% of people know bfl are scum and i don't know what game he was playing anymore!

He's just a sociopath! Do an MRI and you will see next to zero activity in his frontal lobe, same with sonny! These people are clinically phycopathic! Don't be surprised, 5-10% of people out there have this symptom and don't know it! Doesn't always mean they act on there phycopathic instincts either but it does show lack of empathy and compassion and people in there lives would confirm such behaviour often caused by not been breast fed, lack of handling at birth from mother, bad parenting etc etc. Remember, its environment that changes your DNA which in turn changes you. If you improve your environment..... Guess what happens! Yup, you as a person improves!

Stop hanging around with morons and you won't be a moron! Company you keep as a huge influence too as your conscious self believes you are what you think and also what others think of you too. The complex workings of the flower of life is fascinating but also can lead tons dark path studying it alone without accepting that there's more to life (fruit of life etc etc).

6-7 you build your sub conscience and from then on 5% is just the updating this sub conscience as needed through your life. Turning genes on and off as it needs. This is why you see bad people do the most destructive things possible. Josh is just asbbad as Rothschild's and co and should be treated as no less, a rifle bullet through the head and heart just to be sure!

Call me crazy, mad whatever. I expect it from 95% of the developed world. The 6 billion in the undeveloped world get it and the world is sick of listening to the few with big mouths! O the people will rise and crush the greeddy sociopathic scum of the earth, can't you smell it in the air? Can you not see the awakening yet? Can you not see all the different cabals around the world crumbling under there own bullshit?

As for the monarch and people who ordered/upgraded.... You deserve this life experience as the people at gox deserved what they got to. Its called responsibility and obviously all these people lack plenty of it! Time to wake up and take youtlr freedom and responsibilities back because handing it over to a few isn't going to well is it!

Those who seek security over freedom deserve neither!

No one looks for the source of the problem, just moan about the things these problems cause! The joke is its all caused from a lacknof knowledge of what currency is. If people knew theybwouldnt think that paper was worth anything, intact, its debt and the complete opposite of what a currency should be!

But sheep will be sheep

Anyone else get their refund?

soccerstar9 former BFL shill is trying to flog his pre-order he can't even trust BFL to refund him.

 [WTS] BFL 600GH Monarch 3/19/14 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=602080.0)

And a few others as well jumped very early... hmmm ship is sinking.

 [WTS] BFL Preorder - Monarch 600Gh/s - Day 1? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307851.0)
 [WTS] BFL Monarch PRE-ORDER TRANSFER - 9/4/2013 - 30% off retail - *ONLY 25 BTC* (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294414.0)

Still no Monarchs in the wild?

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/cricketsound_zps17f37efb.png

Nope nothing.

Sorry everyone he doesn't have time to get your Monarch out to you right now he is busy buying his 1000BTC house.

Where Josh Buys 500,000 USD house in KC. (http://www.kmbc.com/news/Kansas-man-buys-Johnson-County-home-with-Bitcoins/26083128)

@Bick: Got an offer for ya homeboy, if I can prove you've deleted posts, will you pack up and never post again?  If you can prove me wrong, I'll be the one to leave.  How about it?

Where oh where have all Monarch's gone?

Hibernating in a cave down Mexico way......................

Ah yes... they migrate every year don't they.

its a secret hashing cave..............problem is, when they emerge, they are hashed out  8) ..............and need to breed a new generation to repeat the cycle ::)

Son, they don't have the chips or the board.

ive been watching the bitcoin mining scene since 2012. One of the first things I learned was "Don't buy from BFL".

Kicking myself for not buying in more @ $20 though lol.

We should write a list of rules for new miners.

I already have the top 3...

Miner's Rules
Rule #1: Don't buy from BFL
Rule #2: Don't buy from BFL
Rule #3: Don't buy from BFL

thats true anyone who did the smallest amount of research would not have bought bfl , at least for the last year all you had to do was use google to find one million angry customers.

6 thousand, 8 hundred, twenty-three individual complaints filed at the FTC and PayPal against BFL in the past 24 months and growing.

They never had a million customers. Nor will they ever have a million customers. We will have to wait for discovery from the court to find out the real numbers.

Maybe an involuntary Chapter 11 call is something people could look into given the way that shook up HashFast it might work even better on BFL.

it's crazy how this company is still out there committing fraud against people into pre-ordering their hardware that they indefinitely delay.

Wow, Bick, you actually got something RIGHT!  You'll keep throwing out those fake numbers though, that's why you lead the stupidity race in these threads.

How many shares in BFL / EMC do you own BCP?

User Name   Order Number    Payment Date    Payment Type    Quantity  Type      Country   Date of Refund                      Special Info/Amount Refunded
  
Searing        100041xxx         08/22/13      Paypal/Wire Xfer         1          600        USA     May 2nd 2014    4/12/13 upgrade w/ $6555.00 (Paypal refunded) +$1964.00 wire xfer
Searing     BFL-179458xxx      10/19/13      Paypal/65mm UpGrd     1          300        USA     May 2nd 2014    4/12/13 upgrade includes 11/24/13 7gh Delivered Jally. (Total $8519.00)


OK above is ALL MY MONEY refunded. Most of which was April 12th 2013 65mm upgrade to monarch Paypal $$$. Also included the Jally I did get on Nov 24th 2013 in this Amount.

Hope this gives some of you some all waiting some HOPE...Took almost exactly 45 days from the email if I remember correctly.

Searing

p.s. 5 days till 6 months and 1 day and the Black Friday Folks start asking for refunds...gonna be a bloodbath IMHO. :)

Why do you ask questions when you cannot read the answer?  (it's ZERO btw).  It's kind of sad how bad you need to post about me, yet you claim to have ignored me.  You're still invested in what I say, otherwise you'd not bring me up at all.  Too bad you don't devote the time and energy you put into all the BFL hate threads into bringing your own project to fruition... you'd have been done MONTHS ago.  Guess that's why you don't get paid the big bucks...

I am sure they converted his promised Monarchs into mining contracts. He must be making out ok to suffer the humiliation of 10B+ difficulty and still no Monarchs.
But shillers gotta shill.
http://gorydetails.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c7fdc53ef00e5536153a38833-pi

4 days stupid, 4 days.

Anyone seen a Monarch hashing?

How Late is the Monarch? (http://games.webgamedesign.com/free/counter2-1.swf?title=Monarch%20Late&count=up&time=1387015200000&bgc=0x0077cc&bgb=1&bgd=0&bc=0xcccccc&bb=1&bd=0&tc=0xcccccc&tb=1&td=1&uc=0x99ccff&ub=1&ud=2&nc=0x333333&nb=1&nd=0)

Another tin-foil-hat moment:

If BFL doesn't pull some sneaky plan to have "commenced shipments" in 4 days (so Black Friday orders can't be refunded), their refund turns allow them to "put the pre-order for purchase".    What if their own Eclipse pool was to take all such orders?   Easy way to ramp up their own mining operations at the expense of all the poor customers who stayed with them through every single set back.

Would a company with the morals demonstrated by BFL do such a thing?

They did it once before. Remember this "delivered" unit that was actually sitting in BFL's lab? Refunds will be stopped shortly. Get your refund while you can!

https://i.imgur.com/ei3zZGb.jpg

I think I need to buy stock in aluminum foil... you gys are going through it like it was toilet paper!

They did that to protect their PayPal account last time. This time they won't do anything too obvious remember Sonny V. hangs on a thread for going back to jail. There seems to be only one direction BFL is headed in and that is ruin.