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apple's on a mission to ban legitimate apps that threaten it's great wall of apple.
bitcoin could make it possible that they lose their edge at milking the sheep.
http://bitcoinowl.com/why-you-cant-run-bitcoin-apps-your-iphone


if you have any respect for yourself regardless of if you like bitcoin or not it's time to dump all your iCrap and look for better options in your life.

seriously, time for apple to go the way of blackberry and wither away.

It would be nice if that happened but everyone around the world seems to want their iDevice so that they can play in the walled garden. The brand is still strong.

I don't own an iphone or something but bitcoin will succeed only if it's greater than a mobile platform.
I mean if apple can stop bitcoin then it wasn't worth much anyway  :P

Lame speculation, Apple themselves have clearly mentioned that they will not allow it until there is regulatory clarity.

The loss of the app store as a means of transactions is not that big a deal. We are still able to do transactions via mobile-ready websites so in the very worst case it might take a little longer to use your iphone for a bitcoin transaction. And for all we know Apple may decide to open up to bitcoins in the future as they expand and are met with more mainstream support.

that's a really easy task for me.. i don't have to do anything. i've never owned any apple products, except for 2 weeks with a second hand 1st gen iphone, which i sold and bought a galaxy s with.

That's a really hard task for me- almost out of the question. I'm happy there is hive and bitcoin is easy enough to use on OSX, but yeah the iphone I'm having some serious issues with. I love it and all, but I love bitcoin too. I'll stick with my ihpone 4s for now, but I turned down a recent opportunity to go for the 5S. Might go for a windows phone to be honest, as I simply hate the interface for Android. How is Bitcoin support on Windows phones?

yep i've been a apple fan the second they release the macbook air. What a great innovation! Naturally i endend up having an iphone too.
But now apples politic on bitcoin is forcing me out of the idevice and i'll probably go for android. I'm sad for the 4S which is a very good phone but bitcoin is more important to me than that toy so i'll probably dump it soon.
The gap has shorten with the laptop "air style" so my apple phase is over.

On it. Come January my iPrison is going in the trash to be replaced by a fairphone.

Bitcoin will thrive with or without the support of apple.  While the iphone continues to take a nose dive in the smartphone arena bitcoin continues to thrive and expand.  I'm sure eventually apple will havce no choice but to change their policy.  They are already getting left in the dust but android because of various other reasons (screen size, removable battieries, external sd card storage, etc etc) that I don't they can really continue to exclude bitcoin apps if bitcoin continues to expand at the rate it has been.

Who the hell buy those overpriced Apple devices? I can buy better ones as half price. :D

I want to get rid of my iphone. What do people suggest as a replacement? I Was a bug Nokia fan back in the day, but haven't had one for years.

Stop focusing on the brand and start looking at the operative system and the hardware.

I always laugh when I see people with apple device, such brand victim.
Overpriced laptops and useless mobile devices.

This represents nowadays society pretty much  >:(

I never said I was focusing on brand. I just asked for suggestions for alternatives to iPhones.

before you ask for a suggestion you need to understand what you need/want
I guess any mobile can replace it to make a call..

Well, one like an iPhone, but not :P.

As long as it has similar features to an iPhone and has similar apps, then I don't really require much from it to be honest.

What also bugs me about Apple, is there resistance to NFC.

Phones are not very safe for bitcoin storage.  We need a low cost keyring hardware wallet, like the Trezor, with NFC. Then you hold it to the back of your phone when making a payment, or in the case of a shop, hold it against the shops NFC device, and key in your pin.

I said this because Nokia smartphones have Windows Phone OS, while most other smartphones have Android, and apple smartphones have iOS. So if you get a nokia you won't have the same OS you would have by buying for example a Galaxy S-something

I don't think there is any ulterior motive here. This is just the downside apple gets for controlling everything with an iron fist. They are responsible for what happens in their app store because they decided to control it so tightly.

Eventually it will catch up with them(again).

What are the biggest differences between Windows and Android, or pros and cons if you know of any? I've not even used a smartphone other than Iphone, so I have no idea how they compare.

You or I may not like Apple, but people aren’t going going to stop using apple products so that bitcoin succeeds, just not going to happen. 

Try a Lumia if you're after a Nokia.

+1

I've never understood why Apple fanboys and fangirls, love being denied and told what they can do and cannot do.
It's like Apple fanboys and girls love the abuse from a big corporation, they just can't get enough of the abuse and worst of all they are willing to pay a premium just to be part of the cult.

I got an iPad from my work and I hate the damn thing. No SD slot, can't do this , can't do that on it. Ooops, sorry that App is not available for iPad because the Apple god banned it.  Ridiculous.  And got to do everything through iTunes where they can track everything you do.

I have a personal Android tablet, that kills the iPad in everyway, in terms of freedom to install, copy and view my own media. Why be limited because a corporation wants to extract more money out of you.

It is not surprising that Apple is banning Bitcoins or alt coins from IOS apps. 

People should stand for it, boycott Apple product...it's all hype.

Yeah , right!
I think that people will start buying steel umbrellas to protect themselves from the rain of idevices being thrown away!

I'm a bitcoin user I have an Iphone , and no intention to either throw it or sell it.
It did his job without error for two years and I'm not going to "throw" it for what... android?
Do you remember the last news android and bitcoin related?
Oh no!

Also , the problem is not  Bitcoin , it's a COINBASE app.
BIIIG difference.

I disagree with the main ideas behind this thread.

First of all, I have an iPhone.  I have a Blockchain.info app, multiple ticker apps and portfolio apps, an app for monitoring my miners, multiple BTC news apps, and even a mobile miner.  This is way the fuck more than I need on a phone.

I've never used any other type of smartphone, and it's true that this means an iPhone 4 is my only reference point for smartphones.  But, it's good enough for myself and apparently millions of others.  It's kind of like how certain alt-coins are, almost hands down, superior crypto-currencies, but Bitcoin is good enough.  I can even imagine buying a different phone and liking it more, but that goes for just about anything (clothes, cars, etc.) and at some point you realize that sacrificing freedom for simplicity is preferable in some cases.  One of Bitcoin's unmentioned assumptions is that people will actually prefer more personal responsibility.

Having a good idea that works for everyone is better than the best idea that works only for some in this case.  If the rise of a currency is dependent upon the failure of businesses, then that's a pretty awful currency.

I read this thread and quickly went outside and smashed my iPhone to pieces!






Sent from my iPhone 5

Bought a new one with bitcoins?

probably not a good time to buy a new phone, as the more popular models are kind of around the corner. i really like the HTC one though, along with the galaxy s4. i'd choose the htc one right now though.

I have used Iphone for a while, JB'd , and never updated past 5.0....I am kinda having enough though....I also have a android device 10.1 note, mainly for the pen.....


I am sorta over apple a  bit in relation to the Iphone, the screen size for one....and this anti btc stance, well it seems draconian, I mean there's no regulation/law against view info about BTC through the apps, yet the app store kicks some of even them off.

Also I note that the Iphone looses randomly data in the sync process, (and always the important file) as it seems to have different rules for what updates what.

I almost feel were back in 1984 - 1990 where apple lost it market share to wintel. Now Apple is looseing market share to  GoogSung, (or RoidSam if you prefer) and they sorta haven learnt from last time. Im mean thats ok they make more margin per device and the whole ecology thing does mean it just works alot of the time, but they have some systemic floors. Eg my MPB can fry and egg over the power cable /logic board area, and what I had to do to get actual >dual boot (tri-boot) and with more than two partions, and not use bootcamp was insane.

wasn't it IBM? the hilarious thing was that in 1984, applie implied that people were sheep, and to liberate themselves, they should buy apple prodcuts. today, the opposite is true.

Apple will be forced to accept Bitcoin related apps in the near future, as Bitcoin become more and more mainstream, they will receive tons of complaint from customers.

that's the thing.. they have so many loyal users that they need not worry about repercussions of their actions. they can ban it now, try to do what they want with it, and then if it backfires.. allow back into their market.

It would be really difficult to convince a fairly large group of professional creatives that they no longer want apple.  It does in fact make sense for graphic design and architecture etc to have a strongly restricted set of tools they use to work.

I've been hanging on to my ipad mini because it has truly excellent battery life and I do a lot of long flights. But I'm just growing weary as fuck of ios. It will go eBay tomorrow. Phone-wise, I dumped the 4s for the Note a couple of years back and I couldn't ever go back to that shitty little screen.

Talking of wallets that apple doesn't support, I've been playing with mycelium the last couple of weeks and I'm really impressed. Walmart has a decent looking samsung cricket phone on sale for $50 running 4.x. I'm thinking about buying a couple to use as dedicated cold storage devices. Anyone have any thoughts as to whether this is a good idea? I'm guessing the wifi will give me internet access if needed, even though I don't have cricket service.

Sidebar: No sell it here with crypto.  Try it.  It's kind of hard to organize, but we should try.

Will happily take crypto for ipad. It's the top of the line with 3G and 64gb.

Put it up in market place, and there heroes will show up and make it go OK.

I have to agree with the OP and call for the Bitcoin community to boycott Apple, particularly IOS; however I must say this boycott needs to be extended also to Windows Phone / Windows RT. Apple has indeed become Big Brother and IOS platform has effectively become the telescreen of the 21st century. Microsoft with Windows 8 RT / Windows phone has decided to emulate Apple here is currently little brother. The boycott needs also to be applied also against Windows 8 RT / Windows phone to prevent this little brother from becoming another Big Brother. The fundamental problem lies with the requirement that only software obtained from an authorised store may be installed on these devices. The crucial difference with Android is that end users on Android can elect to allow the installation of applications from out side the Android Market / Play Store on their devices.

We must first consider that when Satoshi developed Bitcoin a critical assumption was made in that the end user of a computing device would have complete control over the computing device. This assumption is still for the most part correct on the desktop / laptop platforms (although it is currently being eroded by Apple and Microsoft) but is far from the case on mobile. This is critical for the security of Bitcoin. Furthermore what exactly is the point of eliminating the banks as third parties in financial transactions if the vendor of the operating system becomes the all controlling third party?

The history of the IOS platform is literally one of censorship and oppression. Bitcoin is only a very recent addition to the Apple censorship list. To understand how pervasive Apple censorship has become one only needs to search for Apple Censorship. Furthermore, and this should be a warning in particular to Libertarians, this type of censorship by the private sector easily becomes a tool for state sponsored censorship and oppression. http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/apple-blocks-app-developed-chinese-activists-and-radio-netherlands-worldwide-0 (http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/apple-blocks-app-developed-chinese-activists-and-radio-netherlands-worldwide-0). Let us not forget that this is an example of using the DRM built into IOS to assist the state in censoring the Internet.

Should the boycott also apply to the desktop version Max OS X? While at this point the censorship still does not apply to the desktop we must keep in mind that most of Apple is already taking some steps towards censorship on the desktop in particular with gatekeeper. Given Apple's commercial success with IOS the temptation of extending it to the desktop may simply be to great in the future.

But what about Microsoft? Windows 8 RT has thankfully turned out to be a dud in the marketplace largely because of the locked bootloader and the requirement that only applications obtained from the approved store may be installed on Windows 8 RT. The has led to a close to 1 billion USD loss for Microsoft on Windows 8 RT devices. Unfortunately Microsoft is responding to this loss not by getting rid of the DRM and lockdown on Windows 8 RT but instead by dropping the licensing fee. http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/11/5199446/microsoft-considers-free-versions-windows-phone-windows-rt (http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/11/5199446/microsoft-considers-free-versions-windows-phone-windows-rt) This could potentially pose a threat to Bitcoin, if Microsoft floods the market with cheap locked down devices that behave like the telescreen in  George Orwell's 1984.

The best solution is Operating Systems that are Free Libre Open Source Software. GNU/Linux, Android, Free BSD  etc. If the operating system contains GPL V3 code, as is currently the case with GNU/Linux but not with Android, then this provides protection against a locked bootloader. For this reason in the case of Android it is very important to first verify that one can “root” the device before purchase.

Some will say that Bitcoin needing for certain business models to fail, is a negative aspect of Bitcoin. The reality is that at a very fundamental level Bitcoin is incompatible with censorship, oppression, the suppression of free speech, the suppression of civil liberties, in fact the suppression of most basic human rights. If a particular business model depends on censorship, oppression, the suppression of free speech, the suppression of civil liberties, the suppression of any of the most basic human rights then it needs to fail, for far more important reasons than Bitcoin. If Bitcoin helps bring it down then this must be considered a feature and not a flaw of Bitcoin.

I can understand why some people feel so strongly about Apple (well I think I do) but as a professional film editor who relies on Final Cut Pro X (10) to do my video editing/special effects work as the software that gave me the best results (in my case) is all mac only so I have to buy Apple whether I like it or not as I simply can't find feasible alternatives in the PC world so MacBook Pro with Retina display it is for me (plus they're good machines in my case).

Are you saying OP,that people in my case should abandon my MacBook Pro regardless of what is best for the work that I do?As I'm rather puzzled with what you're actually trying to say.

I have an android phone as I can pay for stuff in the real world with my phones NFC wallet (EEs Cash on tap feature+NFC SIM card installed onto phone) as I value having freedom from carrying coins/cash/cards around as they can be lost/stolen more easily.

It's much easier to focus on keeping one thing safe (my phone that does it all) than it is to keep an eye on everything else you carry (wallet,keys,charger,backpack,sunglasses,etc) in my case.

Apple's closed approach with iOS is the reason they will fail to grow, and continue to lose market share to Android

Personally I love Apple's design and style but I wont give them my money if they treat me like a child

Apple is a dinosaur that will be left in the dust. People are tired of closed systems.

Have you seen the latest sales reports? People think otherwise!

Nexus 5
T mobile

Gee, you guys really must think Bitcoin sucks if you need Apple to bend over so badly.

The AAPL price is drained already due to the light has run out. It is not only just bitcoin regardless the policy defined. I personally try not to get more apple mobile products unless it is the must.

Why google price stays 900 usd+? There are three main reasons
1. bitcoin
2. cheap phones with strong functions
3. Searching service is still the fastest.

I thought Google Adwords generated some astronomical percentage of Google's profits, like 90%.  Maybe my memory's off.

as i understand Apple has had and Anti Bitcoin stance and therefore the Bitcoin/Crypto community are boycotting Apple

regulations are coming though at all times the CCCB will maintain perfect clarity

Apple has no anti bitcoin stance , this is pure FUD.
There are bitcoin application in the store that have been left untouched.
It's the Coinbase one that started all this madness. And you're better with Android , the free market? Do you remember what were the latest major news about an Android app?
They were far worse that what Mapple did!

It is funny that you think google would not be as restrictive - if they feel they can do it without losing market share.

Look at what they're doing on youtube now. It was all free and easy on the way up, now it is dominant - and suddenly they iron fist comes out.

What keeps these companies honest is several market leaders fighting each other to please us, not lemmings running to one platform.

any app that threatens the google business model will not be allowed on android, if not now, then later, after you have nowhere else to go.

The crucial difference is that if an app in not allowed in the Play Store / Android Market it can still be installed on Android because Android allows for installation of Apps from outside the Play Store / Android Market. The censorship in the Apple case arises not because of the policies of the iTunes store but rather because IOS only allows for installation of apps from the ITunes store. The restriction in IOS of only allowing applications from the ITunes store to be installed on IOS means that in many cases Apple is always in the wrong regardless of whether they allow or not allow an app in the iTunes store. The same situation arises with Windows 8 RT and its restriction of only allowing apps from the Microsoft store.

Edit: The one sure way to prevent this kind of censorship is an operating system that contains GPL v3 code, because if a vendor tried to restrict what apps can be installed on such an OS they would be liable to copyright infringement. This is why GNU/Linux is currently the best option for an OS.

Do they have roughly the same features as the iPhones? I do like the look of them:

http://cdn4.pcadvisor.co.uk/cmsdata/products/3432843/Nokia_Lumia_520_family.jpg

Does anybody have any experience of Lumias, and how do they compare to the iphone?

Unfortunately windows mobile is miles behind ios and android. So even if the hardware is decent the os pretty much ruins it...

What does it fall behind on? What are the advantages of an android OS?

It also has the same problems with lockdown and censorship as IOS

1) The ability to install applications without having first to get the permission of some company
2) It is Free Libre Open Source Software

Apple cannot introduce a backdoor for the NSA like it did to it's iOS system.

If Apple cannot control Bitcoin, it will not allow Bitcoin.

It's that simple.

i borrowed a windows mobile phone from a friend (i think it was the nokia 920 or something) and my god.. the o/s is so horrible. microsoft has no idea as to what a customer wants. it's like a 15 year old virgin having sex for the first time. i used it for 20 minutes and said to myself "who the fuck would want to use this?"

What was wrong with it exactly? I've only seen videos of the OS but it looks ok to me. So are you saying Android is the way to go?

Right now I would say Android. The other option is to wait for Ubuntu Phone OS http://www.ubuntu.com/phone (http://www.ubuntu.com/phone). Since Ubuntu Phone OS contains third party GPL V3 code it will be impossible to lockdown and censor applications like Apple's IOS or Microsoft's Windows phone. As to what is wrong with Microsoft phone OS, it basically has the same problem as Windows 8 RT. OS lockdown and application censorship enforced by DRM.

Ah, this is interesting. I'm a user and big fan of ubuntu. When is this scheduled for release?

Apple will accept bitcoin at some time when they relies that they are wrong and its popular. I also thought the blockchain.info app worked on iPodPhones & blockchain.info has there own app for the macbook.

what the what? english must not be your native language, or not mine.. because i did not understand a thing you just wrote.

Apple is the reason BTC just crashed hard....

Apple has a lot of pull in China since they have so many products built there, and told Chinese govt to squash it.

Apple = innovation killer.

Should we start dumping everything that's chinese also?

Are Ubuntu releasing an actual phone handset or just the operating system for android phones? The OS looks pretty good.

Are you kidding superduh like are you trying to convince me to dump my precious apple device for a junk named bitcoin. Only in your dreams because in reality I won’t even dump my IPhone pouch as it is worth much more them bitcoin which shall soon die. Just take my advice to dump your bitcoins as soon as possible or it might dump your money soon.