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After reading through my posts and others just realised how wrong i was few years ago, i apologise if i annoyed anyone with my stubbornness.

Hopefully will not make such mistakes.

I would like to understand this point :
1- If user scammer1 want to hire you, he needs to pay N x 0,01BTC fees.
2- if you failed to convince at least 1 of the N DT(s), scammer1 will not get his money back?
3- if he will open a scam accusation : you will refuse to refund him and you prefer to get a negative trust instead?

Well, seems legit...since you imposed rules to rape scammers...

I will act as their lawyer, I will expose the people in position of power for their abuse. in the end it is up to community to decide which one is trusted.
If you want to entrust your money to DT members, you should know them first, I'm here to eradicate abusers of power. I am willing to adhere to the
Rules of the forum. I would either convince DT1-2 members to remove their negative trust or would expose them for the whole community to see.

Can't call yourself a lawyer lmao

How do we know you aren't colluding with DT members to red tag people and split the profits 50-50?

Have you ever done this in the past? What if the trust rating is justified?


I thought we were talking about trust ratings, not money. How does DT members giving you a negative rating mean that you are entrusting them with your money? Your logic train is slippery as a wet lizard.


I would like to join your fight against the abusers of power. Please, share with us the information that you are planning to expose  for the whole community to see. Either you have evidence of abuses of power already, or you are talking out of your ass. Claiming that you will expose abuses of power, where there may be none, is simply nonsensical. I'd like some evidence, because leaving you a negative rating when you talked about extorting users to remove negative ratings is not an abuse of power; your bad jokes are piling up and I would ask that you take a step back to analyze.

First you talk about extorting scammers to remove your negative rating, meaning your word and ratings are worth nothing. Now you're talking about getting paid by scammers to extort DT members to remove their ratings. You are a very interesting specimen, digaran. You get in trouble, kicked out of your campaign and then grovel at the feet of other members until you are pitied enough to be given a second change. Then you slightly rearrange what you just got scolded for and are making another attempt at it.

No matter how much you polish a turd, it does not become a diamond. Stop trying to extort $ for ratings. I don't care who's rating it is, who's the receiver or what the reason is. If you know of some injustice and you demand a fee before taking a stand against this injustice, then you are a scumbag that doesn't care about truth or justice. You are concerned with lining your pockets. Please try to see how this looks to anybody on the outside. If I was marlboroza, this thread alone would be enough to make me revert my rating to negative.


If you can find proof of this I would be extremely interested in seeing it. To my knowledge there aren't many, if any, people that are DT members and willing to risk their reputation by working with such a volatile and controversial user on a minimally beneficial scheme such as this. I honestly doubt that is the case. More realistically, digaran got their negative rating from marlboroza changed from a negative to a neutral after throwing a fit around the forum for about a week. Digaran tried to backpedal and explain away their statements that resulted in the negative rating. The ending result is either, digaran is a troll or digaran is lying and extorting members further than originally intended/explained.

He got his own rating changed, and now he is laughing in marlboroza's face, while believing themselves to be on a special platform.

I assume my posts will be deleted in your self-moderated thread, but just know that you gave me a big laugh and smile from reading this thread.

This service implies that there is a flaw with the Default Trust network and that its members are expected to leave a wrongful negative feedback rating, which defeats the purpose of having said member in the DT network.

Why not use your energy to identify the flaws with the current DT2 members that are abusing their powers so they can "get kicked out from their positions" rather than coercing some poor member into paying you 0.01BTC with the expectation that you'll get the rating removed, or funnier yet, the DT2 member kicked...

Honestly, @digaran, it has come to the point where I'm not sure whether this post is an actual serious service that you're offering, or if it's an attempt at trolling. I never know with you.

DT does not imply that you are trustworthy with money, rather it implies that you leave accurate ratings.

The whole money part defeats the purpose of this thread, IMHO. You will most probably be hired by scammers for defending, than real victims of false red tags. But I appreciate your service, it's new, it's innovative. Might even be useful to some victims. As a suggestion, I can say that maybe you can first try to take up some small cases for free, show your talent and then launch the paid service. Pretty much like PIL (Public Interest Litigation, could be known by other names in different countries) in courts.

Pretty good service, for who doesnt deserve to get negative trust. So here I want to ask you what would you chose, money or justice?

I imagine this scheme (dont take this serious) :

1. Scammer/non-scammer ask for help, and he/she paid the charge
2. You can't get him/her out from red tag
3. He open scam accusation, but you can defend yourself and make him get more exposed for being scammer
4. You can live freely with the money you got from him/her.

What do you think? ??? ??? ???

Obviously you knew where the quote was taken.
But this is me explaining at best digaran 30% of the member who got "neg tag" is a scammer and others included with the imaginary statistic is a spammer.

Rationally you had a better chance if you are going to defend a spammer and s/he is just started learning to work well with his/her keyboard or language spoken most of the time I've only seen whining if someone was neg tag for spamming the community with little knowledge that they had regarding rules. (e.i: if a newbie member ask a loan for non-collateral one within their first 10 post in this community it greatly shows that s/he is indeed a scammer. However there will always be a time when a newbie ask a loan but have a good reasoning I guess this is all subjective.)(i.e: Similarly if a newbie member just post and don't care about rules and obligations as a newbie they will get tagged eventually and that is the member I always see whining on their red tagged and that member don't have any satoshi to afford your service IMHO.)

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Not acting as an accomplice of digaran but he's explained it.

In this statement it definitely shows what kind of character and custom oneself need to possess if they want to be part of this community and not just a a person who participates in an airdrop and such alike.

It seems I have forgotten my sarcasm tag, although I think the forum is in a sad state if my comment could be taken seriously. Digaran is just a troll, he enjoys this attention.

And that is all anyone needs to know.

And thank you for letting us know.
it is fortunate enough if this post isn't going to be trash by digaran.

For him to even possibly collude,he would have to speak something that would make sense. And we all know digaran wouldn't do that. He is not doing that. He is just blabbering something from which he knows,he will get the community's attention.

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Digaran's intentions are weird but has got something to do ,which may or maynot be beneficial  in the "long run". His plan is working out just as he expected. He trolls others,he uses his sarcasm in a serious manner,misleading people much often. He got himself,red-tagged,and he has got a lot more to do. Now not sure,what exactly he is trying to accomplish by doing all of this....

My account got tag because I don't read the rules for joining sosmed Campaign.
It's happened a long time ago. Afterwards, I try to get second chance but he not response at all.

Is it possible to defend my case?

Eh, it seems like you tagged someone, not the other way around.

digaran did such a fantastic job with his first case that this user at the time of this writing has 0 negative feedback on their profile! I'm absolutely amazed, so it was a .01 well spent then, eh? More seriously, why did you believe you had negative feedback?

I wouldn't delete your posts.


Who cares? as long as negative trust is illegit, it should be removed. I will take advantage of reasonable doubt. I want to act as a lawyer.

I'm guessing that they are speaking on behalf of one of their alt accounts.

What I understood reviewing the whole topic is: You were humiliated by almost all the comments on that topic. I see The pharmacist and marlboroza removed their redTag. May be they removed it to show some sympathy to you. They were sick and tired of your trolling I guess.

Since you are the lawyer and getting paid for it, how about the community? Will they get paid for it? They are the judge, aren't they?  ;D


Now we are seeing a new business concept and this time it's with trust rating.

Very well said LOL

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By the way, would I get any discount since I have 5 negative trust?
And how long it will take to clean all my negative trusts, doesn't matter if you give me any discount or not SIR digaran
My life is ruined marlboroza by all these negative trusts  :'(

A good service digaran acting as a lawyer here in the forum to defend his client and hopefully those who are in victim case that abusing DT members by their power. I appreciate this kind of business you have not only earning profit but helping innocent people who were convicted any abusing or cheating but not true and have already negative trust without any explanation.

Hopefully, this is not only talking money and justice, I mean those deserving to be helped is a must.

Good luck with your service offered.

Send 0.01 to this address first. 18Gykh4jE6fuyARzbC3XEzrALuKWFNHra4 if you have got a red tag from a DT1-2 member.

You cant call yourself a lawyer

May I see your license?

Interesting service! I did something similar for free (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3285504.msg35107816#msg35107816) last month. Two weeks ago user eddie13 suggested (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3449689.msg36088454#msg36088454) I start "forum related representation services", which I declined (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3449689.msg36091785#msg36091785).

Allow me to quote only this:
Lawyers defend guilty clients, are you willing to do that? Personally, I'm very happy if someone who deserves red trust gets it, and I wouldn't want it to be removed unless he's innocent.

It's good stuff to read while having lunch at my desk! Digaran is getting better at trolling too, I love how he wears the avatar posted by hilariousetc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3683184.msg36793160#msg36793160) with pride.

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On a serious note, for practical purposes, it would be nice to limit the trolling to your own threads only.

Don't you have a merit source application to bump?
BTW, that avatar is my own, hilariousetc posted it from my profile.

While it is noble to fight abuse of power, I don't think offering a service of what you can't guarantee is the best way to go. Whether abuse of power or not, I don't see the need for intermediary in getting people to clear unmerited negative trust. I have seen thread where someone was called out and he received a negative trust at the same time I have seen someone who announce he got unmerited negative trust but a further look at it, earn him more reds.

How do you mediate for someone who got a red trust for trying to sell an account because he feels its not against the forum rules but we know the cancerous effect that cause for the community. Would you then say its illegal or its immoral. You end up putting yourself in a position of conflict which you won't be able to resolve objectively. You want to help the community, remove the price tag do it as service, stand by your conviction and be known for it and maybe tomorrow you will be recognised by the guy that maintain balance of trust issues.

You can't always win a case. what I can do however is to expose people for their abuse of power. I would either collude with DT1-2 members or would force them to leave accurate feedback on people.

If I collude with them, people would see that DT1-2 members are tagging people wrongfully all the time and they could lose their positions.
If I expose them for their inaccurate feedback, people would see that they are abusing their power and they could lose their positions.

I wont do it for free though. none of you deserve it. either you pay me and see the result, or you would suck it up and live with your tags.
Nobody has ever tested my service yet, you don't know if I can deliver or not, only way to find out is by trying my service.

I think most who receive an illegitimate - get it removed pretty easily on their own just by bringing their cases to the public..
The ones that have a harder time are the ones that have language problems and/or have no concept of proofs. Still members seem to drag the relevant intel out of them..

You may find some cases where you could establish reasonable doubt but reasonable doubt doesn't really mean someone should remove their rating.. It might work for DT though because they can't really get away with destroying people based on their feelings alone..

I think it will be hard for you to find cases because those that deserve removal are pretty rare.. Evidence by you not having found a case yet..

You could cruise the scam accusations and reputation boards or something looking for clients like an ambulance chaser, offer your services..

Keep it interesting  ;)

I don't know what I could've done without you guys. thank you.

Here is a rare case, ambulance chasing worked. I should now pay myself I think? lol.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3853171.0

So you finally got a client! You self-referred yourself for your own service. I guess now is a good time to prove your skills. If you get your red tag removed, then your business is surely gonna moon!! This trust dispute will be worth watching.

Of course if he thinks that he is untouchable, it wont get removed, it would only prove that there is a deep network of power abusers running free in this community.

Oh mate, you are now facing that problem, hopefully, IF you will solve that and I'm sure you have many clients come proving that you can really depend on them as an innocent.
Power abusers or not as long as they have a reference to prove that you have a mistake, then prove in this community that you have a right to fight them back.

Well, once again good luck mate. Maye locking on this thread is much better. ::)

I believe this thread is the reference for my red tag.

I guess it's time for you to defend your own case. Send yourself 0.01BTC and defend it. If you win you will have a portfolio to showcase your work.

PS: Are you seriously living in senseless world? Your humour is really in minus direction LOL

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update:
Yes, you do and also post the tx here as a proof of the payment  ::)

If you don't then I will tag you for not paying for the service.
If you lose the case then I will again tag you for failing to remove the tag.
Since you are senseless I assume you miss the humour again

They are using their DT status to act as escrow, they are expecting us to entrust our money to them because they are DT members, they also have the power to inflict real damage to people's reputation and business. they are the ones who'd think that they are on a special platform. I'm just a pawn trying to sacrifice myself in order to expose them for what they truly are. for example:

Suchmoon tagged me first and later provided his reasons. in the first tag there is no mention of me being a scammer, after I pointed out his mistake he tagged me again with his own made up excuses. if you refuse to see that he is abusing his power, you are blind to the truth.


Believe it or not, your action is my license, when you removed your red tag on me, it was a signal for me that there is still a chance for justice in this community.

No, they didn't. You're just acting like you cannot see the evidence, click the links or draw the inferences necessary to understand simple ABC logic.



Negative feedback isn't only for verified scammers. Negative feedback can be placed upon you for literally anything. It is subjective, not regulated/moderated and I can't imagine anyone disagrees with their rating.


Yeah, at this point I'll probably let you fade into irrelevancy, because you're not funny and you make zero salient points. I am very unimpressed and I hope that you will open your eyes. Just because your behavior warrants actions and feedback from others, this does not mean it is an abuse or targeted harassment. You are delusional, if you truly believe the things you say.

No you are the one blind to the truth, leaving inaccurate negative feedback when it can damage reputations and businesses is abuse of power.
For once in your life try to speak without fear. don't be a sucker for money.
Suchmoon tagged me after I bumped my application, be blind and refuse to accept that he is abusing his position.

Suchmoon has been very clear why he has tagged you.


As a result of that tag, people see "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" under your name. That would seem a perfectly reasonable trust feedback. It is there to warn people that they stand a very high probability of losing their money if they take up your service. That is not an abuse.

That is abuse, I have my own terms in the OP, read them to understand. he tagged me for the second time after I pointed out his mistake. for me to be a scammer I must have attempted to scam somebody, my service is not to scam people. but you are obviously in suchmoon pocket for supporting him.

You are the one that needs to understand that your terms are the cause of the problem.


He didn't make a mistake, he just needed to further explain his reason because you were to thick to understand the first time.


Your terms would lead someone to pay for a service you cannot deliver with no possibility of a refund. That could be seen as attempting to scam people by anyone with a straight train of thought.


I have never had any dealings with suchmoon and have nothing to gain here. I'm just pointing out what is blindingly obvious.

I see you're spreading the lies in two threads now. Is that your strategy of getting the red tag removed? It's not working.

I added the second neg after you refused to read the reference on my original rating and started insinuating that I tagged you for your merit application (another lie that you keep repeating despite being told otherwise).

You also keep talking about my "personal gain", or someone being in my "pocket" - you better come up with some proof quickly because right now you sound like you're lying your ass off.

If anybody has been a victim to suchmoon's abuse of power, this is your chance to be heard, let us pile up evidences against him. hire me to spend my time and bring abusers to light of justice, if I'm going to spend my time on cases, I would need money, otherwise I could spend my time on earning money doing something else, if I ask for money is because spending time on these cases could render me unable to earn money for my own needs. this is a serious business.

Read this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3779450.msg37186942#msg37186942

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There are not enough cases worthy of dispute and my time, hence I increased the fee. I can't force anybody to remove their tags, it's them who'd have to reconsider on their tags. if there is enough evidence of illegit red tags, all I can do is to point them out for people to see, while earning money for spending my time.

So you want other people to come forward with their evidence and essentially do your job for you, for free? Why would anybody want to pay you to research suchmoon's "abuse" if they are also providing the evidence.


I highly suggest you go do that "something else". This is not a profitable venture for you. I don't believe anybody here honestly cares about your needs, and this business you are running is less serious than a toddler.


You must understand how dumb this sounds, right? There is nobody interested in your service, therefore you are increasing the price. That's not how supply and demand works.


All you can do is present information that the person likely already considered before or after leaving their rating. You are offering to do nothing for a fee.

Do you have a problem with that? don't use my service, why should I get tagged as a scammer? tell me that.

What do you call someone who is willing to gets your money even if he wasn't able to do the job without giving a refund to the customer?
Even if you put rules, others have the right for not trusting you... You have to accept it and think twice about what you are doing.

I will advise you get the red tags off your profile first then we can begin to take you serious.

*proceeds to advertise as red tag removal service in signature*

me: Niceeeee...

All I can add:

https://i.imgur.com/jlLTyhZ.jpg

You seem to be stuck on the "Negative Trust == Scammer" train. You do realise that "Negative Trust" is NOT just reserved for "scammers" right? It is simply a statement that "Person X does not trust Person Y because of #reasons". Other users are free to heed or ignore Person X's rating as they see fit.


There... FTFY :P

https://i.imgur.com/D7Xi1pm.jpg

Looks like the perfect opportunity to prove your skills by defending your own case.

Watching with popcorn.

Laughing my ass off. thank you KWH.

What do you call the lawyers? they can't always win but they get the money for doing their best.

Lawyers are providing a service others cannot do for themselves, and will have at least a chance of winning.


It has been pointed out by bill gator that not only are you not providing a service that the user could not just do themselves, but you are in fact barely providing any service at all:



Additionally, you have already admitted that you have no control over trust, and therefore no chance of winning:

Digaran, the lawyer isn't doing his job in an open-air or in the street. He is doing it in the court, he tries to do the best he can in order to convince the judge that the accused person is innocent...
Who is the judge in your case? I think that you are aware that trust isn't moderated and even theymos couldn't remove it. Are you trying to convince depth1 DT to exclude depth2? well if you don't have solid arguments of abuse then good luck.

I don't care if I can convince DT members to remove their tags or not, I only can spend my time and defend people if they wish to pay me for it.

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Exactly, all I can do is spending my time if a client is willing to pay me for my time, if the tag is illegit, I can spend my time to point that out for DT1 members to see and reconsider on including or excluding people from their trust list= having a fair system at the end.

So what you are saying is, "Instead of discussing why your tag is illegit directly with the person who tagged you , let's add in an unnecessary middle-man - discuss it with me, and then I'll discuss it with them on your behalf. Also, pay me for this nonsense".

Got ya.

Why should I discuss the tag with abusers? they are the ones abusing, they are the ones who should be judged, they are judging people wrongfully and nobody is judging their actions, if I have to resolve the issue only with you after you have tagged me, you could dictate whatever terms you wish, that is wrong and that is abuse of power.

Open for business people. read the second post. hire me now before I run out of money I'm begging you guys.  :D.

I'm about to sell my phone for money.

Where are your 200-line essays for each of those three cases?

Have some dignity man/woman, you are posting on this forum to get a few pennies. have your own mind and don't be an idiot falling to these traps of mine.

You do realise there is no "If", right? Trust is completely unmoderated and the ONLY person who is able to modify or remove a Trust rating, is the person who left the Trust rating. So, your ONLY option is to resolve the issue with whomever tagged you.

Now, while they potentially could dictate unreasonable terms for getting a tag removed (like paying them $50 or reporting a certain number of spam posts ::))... and yes, THAT would be wrong... One would hope that any completely unreasonable or unethical terms would result in that person quickly being dumped from DT. (provided adequate proof of the demands was provided etc.)

In any case, I see that you have reconsidered your "service" and are now offering campaign management instead. Best of luck to you.

This has been pointed out to you multiple times, but it seems that it needs repeating again - trust isn't moderated.

DT2 members are not infrequently removed, added and replaced by DT1 members editing their trust lists. Just because you don't agree with their decisions doesn't make it abuse.

You have been tagged for trolling mods, DT members and trusted members here

I can tell you right now, it was not worth arguing about your service, can guarantee that no one would use your service.

I suggest that you apologize to the people that you "called out" and solve this problem without getting tagged by even more DT members.

Once this is sorted, I will gladly remove the tag

Once what is sorted? you are like others suggesting me to bend over to DT members wills. I refuse to bend over. apologize for what? I want to spend my time and defend people if they are willing to compensate me for my time. I wont allow anybody to dictate their terms on my business. they are jealous. they think that if I value my time and expect for compensation, I'm a scammer. they are wrong.

Read the OP, I have clear terms, there is no scam attempt, I'm not asking cheaters to pay me and then spend their money and say that I couldn't convince DT members and that's it. I haven't even tried for once to defend anybody. DT members are trolling me with their DT power, they have tagged me and now they are asking me to defend myself, are you blind and can't you see that they are the ones trolling me and harassing me?

They don't deserve DT status and should be removed, tell me that you don't see them trolling me? forum rules should be applied for everybody equally, I'm not a scammer and I have been here for more than 2 years.

If I say that I want to defend people, and if a DT member is tagging me and asking me to show my skills in defending myself, that is trolling and harassing. but looks like forum administration has a double standard dealing with real trolls, DT members are holding me down with their power by trolling me and nobody is stopping them.

Yet you listed the original dispute with marlboroza as an example of your "work" and you list your current three "abuse" treads in your second post. Make up your mind.

I for one never asked you to defend yourself and clearly stated so. So you're lying right there.

Why should I be called a scammer by default? show me one example of actual scam. if trust is not moderated then what happens to my reputation if I have spoken against DT members and they have tagged me? if I speak against you and you tag me, that is abuse. you don't deserve to hold any power over other people. I'm alone in this, and I will be alone apparently because all of you are busy with your jobs, posting with your paid signatures and bashing anybody who dares to speak against you. forum administration also doesn't care about me if I don't have money. all I have is my honesty and I'm glad that I have been tasked to show the people the real standard of dealing with people here. you either suck and bend over, or you have no place here. I refuse to bend over. now tag me for it, I dare you. I dare you to tag me for it. I refuse to bend over for anybody.

@ suchmoon, this is your lie.

You don't even show a real vouch/trial of your service, you "defended" yourself and used it like it worked. You are accusing the mods for abusing their power, which is just absurd.

Eighter you grow up, or shut this thread down

Because this is the start. shut this down why? because you said so? I don't think so. they can read that thread as a reference for my ability to present a case for the public to read. that's not a vouch, that is simply a reference to see if I can actually gather evidence/information. you should read the OP of that topic and tell me what you think instead of telling me to close my thread and bend over.

It's a question based on your own OP and the second post. Which part of it is a lie?



BTW why are all three numbered "1" - are you planning multiple cases against each of us?

That is trolling. you are trolling me by saying that. you are making fun of me in my serious business. all I want is a fair system based on true justice and not personal use of DT power.

It doesn't look like a serious business if you're promising to do something and not doing it even in your own reference cases.

Again, this is trolling.

It doesn't look good on you if you try to just write off valid criticism as "trolling". Just as no one is going to hire a financial advisor who is bankrupt, no one is going to hire a red tag removal service who can't even remove their own red tags.

His first self vouch was pretty much a joke but if he somehow manages to restore himself from here it will be quite impressive..

This is bullying. why would DT members keep tagging me after I have offered to help people in removing their tags? because they are bullies.

Again, you seem to be on the "Red trust = scammer" train of thought.

Red Trust simply means that "Person X does NOT trust Person Y for #reasons"... it could be that Person X thinks that Person Y is a scammer, it could also mean that Person X has previously known Person Y to tell half truths and/or lie, offer dubious services, heavily edit posts repeatedly, show unstable behaviour, act irrationally and/or other "non-scam" behaviour that makes Person X consider Person Y "untrustworthy".


Additionally, a scam does not actually NEED to have "happened" for it to be labelled as a scam.

If a user was to post a thread titled "[ShitCoin Doubler] Guaranteed 100% ROI in just 24 hours for any Altcoin!", offering said service... and NOBODY actually sent any coins... do you think that the user who posted it should be tagged? or should the thread and the user go "untouched" until such time as some newbie sends coins and then complains? ???

If it looks like a duck... and it walks like a duck... and it quacks like a duck... it's probably a duck!



No... as they stated in the trust feedback... it was because you offered a service you could not actually provide. You called your service "Red Tag Removal", implying you could get Red Tags removed... when, in actual fact, you have no such power to remove red tags.

Had you originally set up your service as "hire me to present your case for red tag removal, success NOT guaranteed"... you might have got some raised eyebrows, and most likely ridiculed, but I doubt you would have been tagged for it.

Just my 0.00000002 btc as a casual observer of the recent happenings.

i honestly think  that diagram was  a simple guy that  built his account to hero member and was enjoying his time  in the bitcoin talk forum  as his favorite social media website and  then  he screwed up in some point  ( i dont  seem to really understand whats  the case )  and  now  he is just upset about  his red trust  and  that what any other simple man will feel  ( i my self will hate to have a red trust )  so  he is starting this  thread  simply to defend him self and try to make  who tagged him get screwed up ,  am saying that because if he was not painted red  and  other ppl were  and they reached to him  for help i honesty think that he will not care  and  no one will care   since  in our  mind  we think  red = scammer which  is  right  in most cases .

and  just from reading your topic  ( before you turn it to a free service )  i will think that you turned to a scammer since you are a red painted account  that mean you dont care and you are asking  for 0.02 btc = 167.85 $  with no refund  for a simple 200 words  in less than 2 hours  with no result  and you ask the victim to red tag you ( since you dont care ) . and the fact that a paid service  is in a self moderated topic  is  scammy btw  .

Again wrong. you shouldn't tag me red if I'm not a scammer and if you are DT member. if you don't trust me and you would tag me, why should I be called a scammer by default?

Can you please explain to me how it is "wrong"? Why would you be called a scammer by default? ???

Trust ratings are open... comments and references are publicly displayed so people can read and understand why particular ratings have been left.

As I understand it... Red Trust does not automatically equal "scammer". If you choose to interpret red trust that way, that's your prerogative, but that's not my understanding of what it means.

What you are saying is that I should always agree with DT members otherwise I could get tagged by any of them at any given time. that is per-definition bullshit, pardon my language.
Suchmoon first tagged me with a bullshit excuse, that is a personal use of his DT power, in his first tag on me there is no mention of
That could only mean that he used his DT power as a personal tool of bullying, then he tagged me the second time, now tell me, why should I be called a scammer if I have asked for money in exchange for my time? if I'm not a lawyer, who made him a judge? whoever made him a judge should also care about his actions.

Now this one from marlboroza:


Why would he care if I'm spreading lies and trolling? who is he to damage my reputation and paint me red by default? where are the lies and trolling? moreover, you should report me if you see me trolling, if after reporting, no moderator actions were taken, tagging me is equal to deciding for moderators, that means marlboroza didn't like it when mods didn't delete my trolling posts and he decided to take the matters into his own hands and tag me red.

If what I'm saying is not sweet for DT members, tagging me by them is per-definition abuse of power, because they didn't like what I was saying. so they decided to tag me red instead.

Now actmyname:


I have absolutely no power in this forum. all I did was suggesting/hinting for DT members to tell them that we shouldn't be allowed to be the only ones capable of removing the tags, there should be a protocol to prevent any possible abuse of power. for instance: if you could only buy a copper membership by paying to a designated address, there will be a record for your transaction and you'd have a TXID to back your claim of payment.

But now with DT members, it would be like giving them access to whitelist members to have the perks of a copper member without them actually paying.  but if there is a standard protocol to follow, we could remove the red tags conditionally without giving DT members any chance of abusing their power for personal gains.

How would you know if marlboroza didn't ask for money to change his first tag on me? you don't and I could set him up easily just to get back at him, doing that would only cause more unwanted discussions. but if there was a system where I could for example report some garbage posts and only then my red tag could be removed, we could have eliminated all the possible ways for colluding and for any personal use of DT power.

My man, if I have weak command of English, and am unable to express my opinions perfectly, please don't take it on me by tagging me. I have no intention of scamming or stealing money from anybody here. this is again me repeating myself. this is why I would say that they are harassing me with their DT power. I have already explained myself here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3502223.msg36179276#msg36179276

You refused to read the reference on my first feedback and you're known to edit your posts (and you did edit the OP of this thread many times) so I added an explanation what "shady shit" you had engaged in, particularly in the context of your earlier suggestions that scammers should be able to buy their way out of red trust.

Whether he did or he didn't, it doesn't change your feedback.

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So you want scammers to be able to scam again? You could say this is a strawman but you would still have to consider the consequence of allowing scammers to have a way of removing their red tag.

I'll pardon the language, but I won't pardon you putting words in my mouth. I said no such thing.

I never stated that you should always agree with DT members. I frequently don't. All I asked was for you to clarify how my definition of "Red Trust == Person X does not trust Person Y for #reasons" is, in your opinion, "wrong"? And, secondly, define what you mean by "being called a scammer by default".

I have stated what my interpretation of "Red Trust" is... am I correct that yours is simply "Red Trust == scammer"? ???

But if I could only have a free pass and not get tagged is by agreeing with DT members, that is slavery. and yes I should scam somebody to get tagged red.

You can't point to a single scam attempt by me. tagging me red for everybody to see is wrong if I haven't scammed anybody. tagging people just because you don't trust them is fine as long as you are not a DT member.


@HCP, see what I'm talking about? people now are asking me why do I have a red trust if I can't remove my own tags, why would anybody take me serious and use my service? so DT members tagged me to say that I can't even remove my own red tags. that is trolling.

If a judge sentences a lawyer everytime that lawyer is defending somebody, it would render that lawyer's ability to defend people useless, DT2 members here are that judge and they are trying to obstruct justice. they are trying to troll me with their DT power.

Nobody tagged me before I started this thread. why? I was telling the same things before, they didn't tag me then. because they want me to be their little bitch. here digaran: be our little bitch or we'll tag your sorry ass because we don't trust you since you are not our little bitch. I'm not a little bitch. I will expose their sorry little asses one by one. I'm just getting started. I will start soon by questioning even theymos himself. don't get me wrong, I have no power here. I just hate hypocrites and corruption. if theymos is willing to close his eyes to abuse of power of his little slaves just to have them at their current position= keep being his slaves, this is wrong and unfair to me. I will not stand it. if he wants me to shut up, the only way is by banning me. then we'll know where he stands, we'll know if he is also a hypocrite or not.

I will question anybody as long as it is within reason. if I'm stopped by them, we'll know they are not reasonable people and they don't deserve our love and respect. if I say that theymos is indifferent to everything that happens here and I get banned, we'll know that he is also abusing his power, he shouldn't do that. I want a fair system for everybody to coexist peacefully without fighting all the time.

People keep tagging each other just because they feel it that way, is wrong. it will never end and all it can cause is more hatred and more fighting. I refuse to bend to the wills of a selected group of rich people. I have dignity and integrity. this is me. now tag me all you want.

No I want you to take back the scammed money by tricking them. easy. you'd take their money first and remove your tag on them, after the first post by them you could tag them immediately and ask for a larger amount of fine. keep doing that and take back the scammed money. never give a actual free pass to scammers though.

You're not a lawyer. This is not a courtroom. You're not sentenced. You have well-deserved warnings on your feedback page that document certain facts about your behavior. If you don't like that - look in the mirror. Feedback is based on your own actions and your own words.

You can still proceed with your service. What is stopping you?


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Bump. free service here.

I will be your client, let do something for me.

Are you referring to Lauda's tag on you? you were found guilty of bumping ANN threads. do you have any evidence to back your claim of being a victim of power abuse by Lauda? I need you to be honest with me here. if you were tagged wrongfully.

Here is what I'd suggest you to do:

1- delete any post where you have insulted Lauda and accused her/him of anything.
2- wait at least 30 days and then PM Lauda to say that you are sorry and there is nothing that you could do other than making it up to the community.
3- ask Lauda to give you a way out. tell her/him what would be the cost to pay in order to remove the tag? do not insult Lauda under any circumstances because your forum rank is not high enough to give you the right to have a mutual ground on this matter.
4- if you believe that you were guilty of doing something wrong, you should have waited for some time before contacting Lauda. did you do that?

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Disclaimer: I am against ANN bumping services. I might as well tag you if I find you guilty, however I believe in second chances and I believe that Lauda should at least consider giving you another chance if there is any sign of remorse.
Tell me, what have you done ever since? other than attacking Lauda? because in this case she/he is the judge and we all know that you should never insult a judge.

Not a good choice of words considering the circumstances.

Don't you have a wife or something? man you are trying to fack me with every chance you get. ;)

Did you also tag me for my wrong wording? because I can't see your tags on anybody anymore.

so the lawyer here has red tag himself?  He can't even get his own red trust removed, how can he get anyone else's removed?

This is what we've been asking for about 15 pages of discussion across 3 or 4 threads. We are yet to receive a coherent answer.

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Your advice is "Don't be rude and ask them nicely"? This is your service? This is what you were trying to charge BTC0.02 for? Wow.

This is what you get for free. :D

Sorry I never contacted to Lauda or any other person to remove or any help except in this thread. I am not interested to remove my past posts on anyone since they were against related to the thread.
Here I am giving answers and I don't need further help from you since I can't ask someone who did guilty.
1. I didn't insulted but they were against wrong decision.
2. Sorry, I wont do PM
3. Bribe ??
4. Never contacted and enough for me.

Thanks Ill be out from your services.

I never said anything about bribing, I said that you should ask Lauda about a cost, whether it to be doing something for the community to make it up or doing something that could change his/her mind. you never said why you think that your tag was illegit. you are just saying that it was without providing any evidence to back your claim.

My post above was an advice to try and rectify the situation, I wouldn't defend anybody if they are guilty.

Do you not see the contradiction in that? If there is a cost involved in removing the tag then that is a form of bribery irrespective of whether that cost is financial or community service. I think this lack of understanding is the root of all your current problems.


If a lawyer adopted that approach then they would have just appointed themselves as judge and jury as well.

The intricacies of innocence, guilt, due process, verdicts, punishment and the trust system are entirely lost on digaran.

There is no contradiction, when you give the power for removing the tag or giving the tag to a person it could be easily abused, just like they are all abusing it, they would tag anybody they want and nobody is stopping them. I want to know if this is a sanctioned policy by this forum or not? if this is supported by forum then Bitcoin forum is no more.

Judge and jury are DT2 members here, I am offering to be a lawyer, only one case and that seemed to be a guilty one in my opinion, if you have another idea then you should say it. I believe that at least 3 reputable members need to step in for any case and if they say that a tag is well deserved we should move on, but this is not an acceptable method to use by forum, they would include somebody on DT2 and would give them power over everybody else. When some of the reputable members get involved and vote against a neg trust, DT2 member wouldn't care about their opinions and would keep the tag on.

I believe in consensus voting just like the system we have with Bitcoin, however in the forum we need somebody who is neutral at all times, I'm trying to be that person, I want to have a chance at helping people. I'd want to have a voice that actually matters, after doing a few cases we could establish if I am really neutral or not. but this is just the start of my work and suchmoon tagged me even before I start doing it. I'd call that abuse of power.

You need to see what I'm saying here, whether I ask for money or doing it for free, what I am doing is the right thing IMHO. look at the results of my work in progress, if I had any power which I don't have unfortunately, we could punish abusers of power as soon as they have abused their power, in time none of the DT members would leave negative trust inaccurately on people. I want to achieve that goal.

If I see that somebody is guilty, I wont take their case, only would give them advice. I'm not a crook lawyer to take the money from criminals and innocents alike.

Do you doubt my judgement? please tell me where do you think I was wrong and let me to provide my reasons, given enough time you'll see that my judgement is sound. don't ask about my own tags because I have provided enough reasons as to why they are not legit in reputation threads.

If there is no room for such a person in this system then I'd suggest that nobody trust anyone here, because cartels would operate this way, they wont allow for justice to be served.

Who decides who those 3 reputable members are? You? Basically you want your own hand-picked "DT" to override forum's DT.


You're not neutral at all. You come up with wildest conspiracy theories when you don't like someone or something. You're flat out lying when you don't get your way.


Your perception of the trust system makes you unfit to play any role in it. You keep referring to it as "power", you have expressed ridiculous ideas such as paying for trust removal, you're refusing to use the tools that are already in place, and it appears that you don't even know the basics of how it works.

We really don't need to amend the trust system - flawed as it may be - with the "judgement" of one unstable individual.

Mutual selection. then if those 3 reputable members lie, people would see and they would lose their reputation if they lie or misjudge.

Bump.
Free service here guys. try my service and let us bring power abusers to the light of justice, let us show the whole community their true faces.

Three reputable members with green trust have already painted you red. As you can tell from the several threads you have created about this nonsense, the community supports their decisions. By your own criteria, this case is closed.

I'd ask you again to lock these threads, but I know I'd have better luck talking to a brick wall.

Bump, free service here. I will soon include 2 new cases of power abuse by Vod and actmyname in the second reserved post of this thread.

Cheers.

What's your progress with those cases?

Beside the three tags from you, marlboroza and actmyname, those 2 other cases are completely voluntary and I have received no money for them. thanks for asking.

Here is my argument:

If we could find a way to stop people from abusing other people with DT position they were given temporarily, we'll have a healthy community where people could do their businesses right.

I believe that Vod has misused the trust system by tagging Anduck with red after 2 years, actmyname misused the trust system by tagging Anduck with green without having any past dealings with Anduck, and I also believe that Vod has also misused the trust system by tagging actmyname with green after actmyname countered Vod's feedback on Anduck. however I am willing to forgive both Vod and actmyname if they accept that what they have done is wrong, they are not going to because they think whatever they are doing is right unless somebody in a position of power says otherwise. unfortunately the people in any position of authority around these forums are busy doing God knows what? then I have no other choice than publicly posting about the wrong doings of people in hopes of getting the attention of community members and letting them know who they are dealing with here.

I'm not asking what your opinions are, I've seen enough of that. What have you actually accomplished towards your stated goal? Have you removed any red trust? Have you removed anyone from DT? Do you even have any actual customers who would acknowledge that you're working on their "cases"?

Nobody is using my service yet.

What?



Except you do. You could PM the DT1 members in question. I suspect the reason you haven't is that you know that they will agree with everyone else over you.

So the 6 "cases" - why do you have them here? Particularly the ones that don't involve you.

Do you think that 6-pages of discussion and a month of operation without a single client is indicative of a successful service?
Any service that has followed this pattern in the past will tell you that it is time to close up shop, digaran.

My goal is to eradicate the habit of leaving inaccurate feedbacks on people. whether it to be positive or negative. what kind of a person would I be if I were only trying to get involved where my own profile was at stake? note that you tagged me even before I start. 2 new cases of Vod and actmyname could be considered as my new work in progress.

Note again: even if you remove your tags on me, there will be no fee for my service, one could conclude that I have eliminated all the possible ways of colluding with DT members. if you remove your tags on me I wont be getting any money for my service since it will remain free for ever.


Well, I have no advertisements on this forum, only way for people to know about my service is by visiting this section if they could see my thread.
About closing shop: not going to happen, I will not back down so easily.

I have a potential customer for you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4432189.0

Scam.
Better to keep your kids away from DT2 members?

Are we in a park walking here? what a joke. any serious case you have for me? I'm bored.

You already have 6 cases. How could you possibly be bored?

I need some big fish here, those cases are low level crooks, they have been abusing other people for years and people are too coward to speak against them, don't get me wrong, I am on your side as long as you are good, we'll have a problem when people start misusing the trust system.

Merit wasn't my thing, trust is now my thing. I'm watching you suchmoon, be careful if you do something bad I will come after you. friendly warning.

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Bump. we have a new winner: as always our DT2 member "suchmoon" this time has tried to counter a legitimate negative trust to provide a free pass for a known account seller, read the second post and case number 2 for suchmoon to understand the situation. this is the same suchmoon who tagged me 2 times for this thread. don't forget that.

Suchmoon didn't do anything wrong by countering h&co negative trusts for PG and YuTü.Co.in
H&co has his point of view and he is afraid that those accounts changed hands while suchmoon is sure that it isn't the case + the default loan story is solved tho.

You are wrong, suchmoon has countered other red trusts to provide a cover for suspected extortionists and known account sellers. I can't trust such a person.

LOL, you don't trust someone for having an opinion... I'm guessing you're an Erdoğan voter?

Bump, I have just added OgNasty to the second post. no wonder suchmoon has countered OgNasty's red tags on people, I'm going to change my stance about suchmoon in a few weeks, first I need to evaluate the situation and I might even start commending suchmoon for countering OgNasty's tags, if he is going to stay on DT1 after abusing the trust system in so many ways then I only see one alternative to deal with this trust abuser: by countering every single red tags left on people by OgNasty except mine.