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Free money!  WTF!


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I cant believe i just got into an argument with someone over working and free money! The conversation was initially about the notion of free money! If 48% of the country is off handouts in one way or another( section 8, food stamps , general assistance)

Then why not just cut the red tape and just give everyone free money every month for doing nothing. Thats the argument that im dealt!


I was like what!!? You mean sit on your ass all day long without contributing to society in any anyway and get paid for it.. and take advantage of everyone else who works and pays taxes?? YEP!! Replied the arguee..



Man that would be aiding and abetting losers into a life of loserness! Im not talking about people who actually need assistance .. im talking about those who "choose" to life a life of dependance on purpose. People who are in your face like ---->>> "fuck you im gonna keep playing the system like its my job"!!


Its pisses me off that someone can work 20 years to save and own a home and the next door neighbor will have lived there for 10-15 years off section 8 paying about $140 a month for a home thats identical! A home you have to work 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week for to support you and your familiy.





As if i wasnt already irritated the conversation got sidetracked and the subject was working! The arguer was now saying thats its not uncommon in some society's that people dont work!



I was like what?! what kinda of nonsense is that! Where ever the **** your at you gotta pay for food, rent clothing, transportation at the minimum!!!?? I was like what are you talking about?

Then the arguer says.. "In the Uk there are lots of immigrants that come into the country and dont work and they are given shelter and assistance." The arguer spoke as if every single immigrant in the UK did not work and just is basically sucking the life out the land and its ok!   << ---  wtf!



Why is it hard to understand the process of working and getting a reward for working hard and the harder you work the bigger the reward! Regardless if your work is physical or not. This hand out bullshit is just nuts! Someone was telling me about someone they know who is getting a disability check for being an alcoholic..

I was like what!!! Evidently he convinced some board that 30 years of drinking and being a loser should equate to receiving free money and being disabled while everyone else who works, pays that guys way!!!!



What a bunch of bs! Im not critical of people who need assistance at all ... we all need help sometimes in one way or another and we all have our strengths a weaknesses but i think everyone can contribute! We are all in the same boat! It benefits everyone to be a halfway decent member of society no matter what you do!


Why does it feel like we are living in the movie "idiocracy"!





For those who have seen it ... ( UPGRADE IS NOT COMING!!! )
 lol

Just remember that it was your tax money that paid for their education.  Let it sink in...

**** me.. lol

  it gets worse really and i understand.. Even when you zoom out a bit its like what the hell is going on here!
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/us/billionaires-received-us-farm-subsidies-report-finds.html?_r=0



https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2012/12/more-than-70-groups-in-play-over-sn.html

Ha, funny I came across this tonight, so I just quit my job awhile ago - I quit- my friend today say's I should file unemployment , i tell him it does not work that way cause I quit and I am pretty sure the system is designed to help people who lose their job not those that quit, he says it does not matter just tell them it was a dangerous job (which it was) he is an employer and has been through the situation where an employee did that to them and the state did not care, now my friend knows I do not need the money, he say's what the heck "its free money maybe like half the amount of your check, why not?" I have no idea how to tell him that I have worked for everything I own and although its not alot, I earned it, I am just sitting on the phone confused, wondering how the hell people find pride in themselves taking a handout from honest working people, I don't get it, I would rather flip burgers than rip off my working friends.

Welcome to my world, people on this forum are right when they call this a prison planet, the best thing I ever experienced was when I was playing Dayz and this guy came on asking if anyone else was on because of a teachers' pension strike we had here in the UK and I said "No, because I need to work for my pension". I think what pisses me off most of all is not the fact that working people are paying for these arseholes but as long as this current system exists our children and our children's children will need to pay it off as well and we're all going to be forced to work longer because of their fucking laziness.

I've actually been looking at the Caribbean countries lately out of curiosity and I am not surprised in the slightest that it's a favourite haven for rich people even though I don't like hot weather very much at all lol.

Exactly!! Thats whats up man!!!
 
 


So messed up!! Its cold blooded!

To make that a little bit worse, almost every enlisted soldier from the ranks of E1 (Private) to E5 (Sergeant) is on food stamps or WIC because we make shit for pay....

Don't listen to propaganda peddled by racist plebs. I have to hear this kinda of misinformation every day by people white british people who are themselves on benefits.

I agree that the system's wrong and it needs changing. In this country you can get pretty much everything for free if you so wish to play the system.

lol yeah, I'm in the UK and you get those kind of racist morons everywhere, what they're saying is it's okay if you play the system as long as you're white, I'm getting sick of people who think they can ignore basic mathematics especially when I'm taking the time to learn it all properly. The best one is the government departments and public unions in this country, essentially their message is "Yes we agree that we need to make budget cuts to bring down the debt, no you can't do it to us" and they all say exactly the same thing which does actually make me feel sorry for the politicians in this country.

I am seriously considering denouncing my citizenship and moving to a country with a low tax rate.

Hahaha, good luck on that man. Maybe we can buy an island with bitcoins?

Not sure wether I want to join this heated up topic or not, but since im writing it looks like I want to ;)

First off, I understand both sides.
Doing nothing and getting payed for it? Feels wrong!
On the other hand, there are not enough jobs for everyone. With the industrial revolutions more and more low education jobs are gone.
I think noone really wants to sit on his/her ass and do nothing. But even if you get a fixed amount of money no matter what youd still want to do something, dont you? Maybe its something most ppl wouldnt consider working, but maybe cultural works like art, music or writing. I personally think these cultural works have a value even though you cant sell them (well some artists get good money maybe, but the majority doesnt). So society should pay for it, right? Or mabye reduce daily work to 4 hours and raise the payment so you dont have to work more.

Well in my personal case I wish I had some money so I wouldnt have to work to pay for university.

You never met my ex-wife. She definitely never wants to work a day in her life

Oh I know "these people" you think about, but depending on how you define work, they do wether they know it or not.
Maybe its consulting or doing hair or whatever, even the I play WoW 60 hours a week because I have no job guys I know do some kind of work and even if its writing a how to grind dungeon xyz in WoW guide. Its a basic human principle that we want to communicate and share.
I mean there is this social system that gives them money anyway, so why not give money to everyone else who is doing something besides filling forms.

Heh, mine was a live off what I made and never add a dime type of person. I understand what you mean though. Some people are like this and some are just living off of everyone else!

Sounds like you married a financial dominatrix.

I have a love/hate relationship with this country. I love how we have free healthcare and a pretty decent/safe quality of life, but I hate how it's full of ignorant plebs and run by elitist thieving scum who do nothing but launder tax-payers money.

I'd like to fuck off and live somewhere else, but I'm sure I'd get homesick. England is still my home as much as it frustrates me.

Person i was arguing with has been without a job for 10 plus years ... a habitual Leeher!

Basically sponging of the resources of friends and family until there is nobody left but family.


Now they are trying to rationalize the nonsense they are spouting by associating the government assistance with a permanent free ride on the backs and shoulders of people who work very hard for theirs!


I mean fuck! When i lost my job 10 years ago .. i looked for work and when i didnt find something that suited me.. I opened up my own business from home and here i am 10 years later still in business and doing well!! Keep in mind i was working for Bank of America doing individual retirement accounts in the federal building so i could have easily found work that wasnt to my liking or didn't suit me well.

You noticed i said a job that suited me!! Not this "there are no jobs blanket statement" that everyone who is sleeping till 3pm keeps yammering from the side of their mouth! There are jobs everywhere for skilled and unskilled works alike!
They just arent going to fall on your lap! You actually have to go find them, and fight for them .. they arent entitlements!


What pissed me off the most about the person i was arguing with is they said they didnt feel like they were leeching from the working class.. since they didnt "believe" that the taxes the working folks pay doesn't go to entitlements! The arguer started saying some shit like you dont "really" know where the tax money is going... 

I threw up my hands and walked away.. As i was walking away i was thinking wow.. some people are just a pathetic, sorry bunch of excuses wrapped in non-sense! Their cup is so full that all they can do is regurgitate the bullshit flying out of their trap!

If i had a tomatoes to throw at that moment i would have thrown one.

Let's get something straight.

I am a non-EU migrant in the UK. You have no idea how hard it was to get my work permit.

I work, I pay tax, I have no access to public funds, no benefits, no housing, etc, etc.

I have to work for THE employer who hired me for the work permit, no one else, and if I stop working I will get deported.

When these racist morons babel on about welfare tourism by immigrants, they are only describing some EU migrants but most of them don't realise the difference.

Eating it up, ya know the media has you targeted as a freeloader and protected by international law, they do not describe your struggle and the UK appears to have a strong stance against you, they are either unwilling to recognize how you contribute, or, your contribution is not enough when compared to their standards, keep your head down and do the work they obviously do not want to do, in the meantime you might think of migrating again, come to the U.S where our society is a little harder on you but on the upside, you can have a little freedom.

May be one day I will go somewhere, still young.

Here is another joke for you. I have been in the UK for 12 years!

Haha! Live a little, my friends here now start to celebrate the years they have been here, kind of like a Birthday, i don't get it, live there but travel if that's what you like, myself... I would trade you places.

Why do they make it so hard to get a work permit in the UK? You want to work and they make it difficult?

EU and non EU immigrant issue?
 
Ive never been to the UK.. What is the UK like?
 

It's cold and dank and grey and everybody is miserable and moans all the time.

And it's full of these people who think they own the country:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vPlf4XgGymE/Tf87YuRxtkI/AAAAAAAAAXM/heVAKcgsEd0/s640/3.+Friendly%252C+with+the+emphasis+on+the+f+word.jpg

The government can't do much to restrict EU citizens from coming into the UK, except for leaving the EU. They can't do much to asylum seekers. They pledged to reduce net immigration to tens of thousands a year from hundreds of thousands a year. They must be seen to be doing something. Restricting people from outside the EU is the only way.

How is the UK like? It's ok. Most people I met are honest and have integrity. It is indeed cold and dark and grey and everybody is miserable.... except in Cambridge, where it is drier than the Sahara Desert. Gloomy weather reports usually do not apply around here.

Anyway, back on topic.

I am no economist but here is my simplistic view.

Fiat money really is just free money. As you are already aware, central banks and fractional reserve banking systems all over the world print money.

The UK government for example has a budget deficit and that means it has to borrow to meet all of its expenditures.

That means issuing bonds. Some of that is bought through QEs by the Bank of England (and elsewhere), via other little banks. Some are bought with money created through fractional reserve banking.

It can be seen then, that welfare is partly paid for with money printing.

In the grander scheme of things, everything we enjoy from the government is partly paid for with money printing.

The system works fine as long as those who get paid actually do the work they are paid to do.

When people find out they are doing all the work in the system, while some lives off welfare and others (read banking sector) siphon money from the printing presses, they get upset. It is understandable.

I don't know what the solution could be. There is work to do and someone has to do them. Going back to a model in which you don't eat if you don't work would be a step backward. I fear a completely bitcoin economy may be that way. When people don't eat, they rebel.

Hey thanks for your input.

Don't eat if you don't work.. is a step backwards but what we have in place now is like 5 steps backwards.. 

Its like they are pre programming people to be dependent, and inducing behavior that only result in more dependency!

Your are right about someone having to do something! But i think the handout train has so much momentum that derailing it would cause catastrophes within low income and middle class families who are not prepared or able to leave this life of handouts they are leading!

The pride in people has been muted! People have no shame and no integrity so they dont think twice when standing on the backs of hard working people! Thats what has to change the most ..

I was talking to a friend of mine about our fathers and how much of a different cloth they were made of!!

Honor, Integrity, Character, Morals, Pride is what fueled past generations but we are on some other shit right now ..!!!

Selfishness, Greed, Corruption... is the makeup of the landscape. From the top tier to the bottom feeders in every corner of our society these things are rampant!

There is probably more honor and integrity in the common thief of today then say a doctor who has been handing out Oxycontin like candy and profiting insanely at the price of his patients or a police officer who uses his stature as an expert witness to paint a favorable scenario in an officer related shooting!

 How about the judges working with private for profit prisons that keep the jails packed so their cronies can be profiting from their incarceration!! I was reading about the FCC chairman who approved the Comcast buyout of KRON! He gave the green light and then quit his job at the FCC to go work for comcast!!
How about the head of the CDC ! The flipping center for disease control.. So important to all of us.. but there too!!

Head of the CDC quits job of like 8-10 years to go work for a vaccine company she had been regulating the whole time!! 
The last decade or "more" has been a full fledged assault on anything related to honor, integrity, character, morals, pride.

We need to address that in popular culture before someone can do anything about it

We need to find NORTH! Our compass is ******!










 

Sound like an ICAC is needed in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Commission_Against_Corruption_%28Hong_Kong%29

The Independent Commission Against Corruption is Hong Kong is legendary.

Their coffee is famous. Legend has it that they put a lot of effort into choosing the right coffee for their interrogation rooms.

If the ICAC invited you to a coffee, you are in deep troubles.

There is a film, I Corrupt All Cops. It is based on how the ICAC cleaned up endemic corruption in Hong Kong in the 70s. You might like it.

^^ Hey thanks ill give it a shot!

I always find it ironic when people complain about corruption by governments in the Middle East or in Africa, yet the UK and US governments are the most corrupt of all, they just get away with it easier because the public are blindly ignorant of what is happening.

And I always find it shocking how Doctors will just throw medicines at you like they're sweets. I always question their knowledge of what they're trying to give me and they can never tell me any in depth info on them what-so-ever. A good percentage of meds are just placebo bullshit any way. Just because somebody has a doctorate it doesn't mean they know what the fuck they're talking about.

Dont even get me started ..

Lets look a the last 4-5 years.. http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma

11 BILLION in fines world wide!  http://rt.com/news/drugs-fines-corporations-crime-671/




Most of these fines are paid off in full shortly after said fine is announced! Most companys buckle and start filling bankcrupcy.. Not these guys, they chuckle at the fines and pay it in FULL! No payments, no liquidating, no restructuring, no bankcrupcy  -----> Just fire some employees for show and PAY IN FULL!  


Now that they have the biologicals in full stride they are slapping black box labels on them as fast as they make em! Antibiotics like cipro have black box "TAKE AT YOUR OWN RISK LABELS" but hey "we asked the doctor" so..  


30 years ago every other tv commercial wasn't a drug company!! In fact drug company's were not making commercials at all!

Then they all started out with the "ask your doctor bit" because the regulations were lifted and now they peddle drugs to you and your kids right in your face 24/7 along side cartoons!!

 I was listening to this military nurse whistle blower and she was saying how all of the sudden the army started allowing soldiers to use psych drugs!


Now soldiers are off 3-5 different "psych" drugs on the battle field and its a common theme amongst units to have a high number of functional dependents! The fuck..

 http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-militarys-prescription-drug-addiction/


Whats next drunk cops giving you marijuana tickets!? I want congress to take a DRUG test regularly! Its probably worse then the military!



Ya think some kids in hoodies and sagging pants got marijuana on the map in Washington legally!! Fuck no, it took a judge, a cops son, ex-goldman sacs employees and phillip morris as backers.

http://www.newsweek.com/will-pot-barons-cash-legalization-65259


These fucks have been jailing people over marijuana for decades and making criminals out of average every day citizens who are otherwise law abiding.

Now cash strapped states are looking at the cash crop like hmm ..

Something stinks and it aint the pot! There is no accountability ... from our elected officials to our caretakers like doctors.. Its like everything that used to mean something is now the opposite!


The people who you associate good with need serious RE-EVALUATION! Especially the people at the top of the old list!

Cops, Doctors, Clergy...  Ya know the good guys! --->  ( my turn to chuckle )

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/10/28/554/

http://news.yahoo.com/police-turn-routine-traffic-stops-into-cavity-searches-201433510.html

http://www.thelocal.de/20131111/jail-for-gynaecologist-who-took-pics-of-patients




The compass is spinning like we are on lost looking for the "others"..

We better find north soon cause right now where ever light goes it notices darkness has gotten there first and is waiting for it.


Zedicus

Yeah that was essentially her

Did you enjoy it? ;D I know guys that do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/us/billionaires-received-us-farm-subsidies-report-finds.html?_r=0


($11.3M/50)/7 = $32,857.14285710 (in the spirit of Bitcoin)

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/You+bastards.+From+The+Restaurant+Sketch_5566d5_4122574.jpg

^^ lol!

PG!! Happy New Year!

This is part of the problem with states that have too much benefits that go on too long.  Many people just get lazy and take and defraud the govt and there's no incentive to work.  It's just like why the highest income tax brackets shouldn't be TOO high or else people will lose the motivation to work if they'll lose the money to taxes anyway.

^^ There is plenty incentive --- we are talking about free money here!

People are making defrauding the gov a JOB and the people who are NOT committing fraud and getting the bill and paying for it!!


The billionaires too! In fact the people with the biggest footholds in our society..    Be it in business, politics or other wise.


Just type "32 trillion" into any search engine and click enter!


https://i.imgur.com/VRGLmHZ.jpg


I laughed at PG's meme but really we passed a sign about a thousand miles back that said "you still laughing, How about now?" !! I remember grinning at it like a mental patient!

Fuck! In 2008 the combined capitalization of all domestic NYSE listed companies was US$10.1 trillion


Hell the GDP for the US as of june 2013 is 16 TRILLION!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States

These guys are hodling twice that! Tax free .. while they are still playing their parts as ceo's, fortune 500 owners, senators and what have you.  


You were saying something about incentive & motivation? Well Yeah these guys are motivated alright !
They motivated straight to the cayman islands!


They have made it their "job" !