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User "Vod" shitposted my reputation for asking a loan "without" a collateral in his opinion, nevertheless it covered 70% of the loan in my opinion and anyway even if it wasn't he has no right to do so.

I could have asked a loan with no collateral at all(as many users do there), it was not his right to do so when I did not ask him anything at all, he could have posted in the thread saying his opinion instead of shitposting my reputation.

I could have changed collateral to something else as well, I've sent him three pms and he is not answering.

edit: read below too

Wow - you are censoring my right to free thought?

Your bitcointalk account is worthless - as you know since you edited your original loan request.  

I've edited my post in hope to let you change/remove your useless reputation

Why you didn't post in the thread but had to shitpost my rep?

Also my account is worthless in your opinion, now is worth less thanks to you

If my reputation is worthless then don't worry about it.

Have a better day.  :/

It is just harmful to me and you had no right to do so, why you didn't post in the thread?

Shhh, it's worthless.  Don't worry about it.

Yeah. Worthless. Exactly.

Bitcointalk accounts shouldn't be used as collateral in the first place. Or, if you want to, you should value it at 0 BTC. Otherwise, loans can just be used as disguised account sales. And there are plenty of examples in the Lending section.

I would say use archive.is for archiving the link and use the archived link as reference. :)


Perfect one... :-*

You keep not answering, why you didn't just tell me through a post my collateral was invalid/not enough to cover the amount? Why you went straight to my reputation for no good reason?

And he had to shitpost my reputation to tell me this account can't be used as collateral?

I asked for a 0.014 loan with 2 accounts as collateral:
1) A steam account with gta v and no vac ban, still sold at $60 on steam
2) This forum account, without negative reputation like now which I assumed was worth at least $20-40

He could have said to me "you have to put in something else you can't use your own account" no he went straight to my reputation and added his presumption that I am a scammer

I don't know the original post because you edited it so I'm assuming that Vod's feedback is correct.

In lieu of that, I would present you with this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.0

It is also stickied in the Lending section so you should not feign ignorance.

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You should also stop with the consecutive posts. There is an edit button, you know.

But I had a collateral, just not worth the whole amount(edit: maybe, value is in part subjective), I could have added something else instead of just closing my thread with rage because of this idiot

He could have posted/warned me in the thread, he did not

Value is subjective. But objectively, those collateral items are equivalent to a value of zero. Here's why:

Firstly, Steam accounts can be retrieved easily in a variety of ways after the transfer. Not only that, but I believe it is actually against the rules to sell your Steam account. So, the parties involved would be breaching Steam T&C.

Secondly, BCT accounts can also be retrieved because any password/email changes can be reversed (or the account can be locked) within 14 days. This means that you would have to escrow the account for a full fortnight to get the loan, which would probably be pointless for most people; you would ask for loans when you need them, not 2 weeks in advance.

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That means... neither of the collateral items are worth anything.

Why he didn't say the same thing in the thread instead of going directly to my reputation? Since I did not know those two things were "worthless" according to you

For facts sake: PlayerAuctions.com sells steam accounts without problems by years

I also have a Battle.net account with Overwatch, is it worth nothing as well?

For the same reasons I've provided in my Steam explanation, yes. It's worth nothing. Account recovery should be simple with some basic verification. Even an email, yeah?

So I can't use ANY of those gaming related accounts, not even WoT or LoL for the same reasons

This is new to me, apparently not to Vod

You are misleading people to buy your worthless accounts.
Quoted for reference.

Again I did not know accounts were worth nothing, even more gaming accounts like steam or battle.net commonly sold online

If you want to be an asshole ok go on won't care, will add you both in ignore list

Its a good thing people won't just ignore your trust ;) oh and by the way there's a sticky in the lending section which even Vod himself posted in with the community accepted guidelines: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.msg6311902#msg6311902

You can't just claim ignorance I'm afraid as everything has been clearly outlined before your request. Let's just say the collateral was valid for pity sake...it would only cover 70% (your words) and not the generally accepted 120%

He could have said so in the thread, I could have changed collateral adding or removing something, but he wants to play the policeman

Even police officers will arrest an individual that's committing a crime they don't know they're doing. "What? I'm not allowed to sell crack here? How was I supposed to know?"

Ignorance of the law excuses not.

Except he is not a policeman and has no authority whatsoever to make accusations without proofs, if my thread was not allowed by the rules of the forum he could have reported me and my thread would have been deleted/closed

?  You admitted your guilt.

You are also illiterate now? You are nobody to make accusations without proofs

Sigh.  I accused you of "Asking for no collateral loan" which you admitted to doing.

I'm not going to bother responding anymore.  :/

I told you I had a collateral, maybe not worth the whole amount but I could have added something else instead you preferred to shitpost my rep

Don't bother responding I don't want to unhide your posts anymore

He's not a cop, but he is an old-time member who cares about the forum, and more importantly he's on default trust, so his feedback has weight.  

Vod is a fair man and takes improvement with time into account, so if you realize your mistake and don't repeat it....he might reconsider his trust rating on you after a while.  But I can't speak for him; I just know what I've seen with Vod in the past.  In the meantime, you can still post and read and do pretty much anything on bitcointalk--and you can probably still do deals with that feedback.  All is not lost.

Leaving retaliatory feedback is not going to work in your favor.  Even if his and the other DT members' feedback doesn't get removed, you really ought to rethink what you left.  These people aren't against you.  They don't know you except by your actions, and the no-collateral scams happen often enough that 99.99% of the feedbacks are well-deserved.

I've sent multiple PMs asking him to change reputation since I closed the thread & wanted to improve collateral, I even proposed him to agree a collateral together if I ever do this again but he doesn't want to undo this

I'll keep bumping this

Repeatedly bumping a thread that calls him an abuser and an idiot, coupled with spamming him with multiple PMs, really isn't going to help your case.

You broke the rules, you got tagged for it. End of.

I did not broke anything as I was willing to change collateral and did not know gaming accounts were invalid

vod is a good guy even if i dont like his methode but the truth is truth he is helping bitcointalk community not like some others who keep spam negative rep

I mean, there's a stickied topic in the lending board entitled "The Rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" - IGNORE AT YOUR OWN RISK!" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577765.0). It includes the following statement:


Just because you didn't read the rules doesn't meant they don't apply to you. Ignorantia juris non excusat. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat)

So the entire playerauctions.com website is a scam right even if hundreds of accounts are sold everyday

That has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, and it's an attempt to deflect blame onto something else.  Read o_e_l_e_o's response, because it's the best one you're going to get here.  You did not read the rules before you jumped in and broke them, and you got tagged as a result--just like everyone else does who breaks them. 

Stop bumping this thread, because 1) Vod said he's done with you, and 2) No one else can help you, and 3) You're not going to get any support, as evidenced by the fact that you haven't yet gotten any.  The only thing left for you to do is accept your feedback and ask Vod to remove it somewhere down the line.

https://archive.is/aPaGY#selection-657.0-657.527

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What does this quote mean?

I want to remember other users he is an abuser

Your negative trust will be on his page forever, unless you decide to remove it. That's all the reminding the community needs. You can lock this thread now.

I'll tell you something about vod.
You don't see every day someone coming to local boards to alert others that something is scam - and guess what? Vod did it. He came to croatian local board to alert users.
And you are calling that person an abuser?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Well guess what? He was wrong this time, at least with me, he bullied me basically

I asked him multiple times if he wanted to solve the issue

In big, bold, red letters in the sticky I mentioned earlier:


Once again, even if you choose to ignore the rules, they still apply to you.

The rules say if you request a loan with no or unacceptable collateral, you will get red trust. That's what you did, and so you got red trust. This is completely open-and-shut. End of discussion.

He could have posted in the thread warning me to change collateral or I will receive negative feedback he didn't

Absolutely not. It's not the job of senior users (or any user for that matter) to waste their time individually telling other users which rules they are breaking. You chose not to read the rules, and you can't blame anyone but yourself for that.

But he did this, except he did it on my reputation instead of posting in the thread, they are senior shitposters

Bumping for visibility

I'm not exactly sure what your point is. The "Invites & Accounts" board?

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I'm sure you would also be amused at the "Investor-based games" board, home of ponzi schemes.

Why is this relevant to your situation? Are you trying to instill the fallacy of relative privation?

I will continue to bump this thread once per week until my reputation is reset and the issue is solved

In case it will not be solved it will just be another thread letting users know to be careful with assholes on this forum

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3779450.80

Hello OP. you could use my service if you are interested.

Genuinely laughed out loud at this. One scammer who has failed to remove their red tags asking to be hired by another scammer who has failed to remove their red tags.

You'd be perfect business partners.

You are accusing me of being a scammer? do you have any proof? or are you trying to shitpost just to get paid money?

I've reported his post for insults but apparently they don't care

They shouldn't care, moderators are not here to make us feel good about ourselves. if somebody is insulting you it shows how little of a person they are.
As long as a post is on topic, it doesn't matter if it is insulting or not. now if a mod deletes such an insulting post, I'll hand their little cute asses to them for discriminating between forum members.

No offence to Cyrus.

I had posts deleted in "politics & society" just for sharing my opinion about something, therefore I assumed they cared about insults even more.

I didn't thought this forum was runned by chinese mafia.

More like international cartel. however I don't think that you should mention about the actions of a moderator from other sections, this reputation section has a fair moderator and they are not taking sides as far as I have seen in my time being on this forum. P & S mod is new and needs to learn that he shouldn't take any sides ever. all mods should always stay neutral at all times.

On topic, @Vod. if this OP had no intentions of really scamming anybody, I'd like to ask you for a reconsideration please. show us that we could coexist and have a friendly community. if there is room for a second chance please consider it. you are above these petty issues man.

As has been explained to you many times already, you tried to charge money for offering a service that you have no possible way of providing. That's scamming.




So not only did you not read the rules regarding loans and lending, but you haven't read the forum rules either? Can't say I'm surprised.

Quoted for future reference.

Since one my previous posts was deleted I want to remind people there is a section for invites & accounts on this forum

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=234.0

Inside the marketplace -> goods -> digital goods, with thousands of posts and threads

After viewing your case I have come to the conclusion that in this case Vod is not actually abusing his power on DT2. OP you asked for a loan with 30% less collateral and that could be easily exploited by low rank members. however you could still request for loans and provide full collateral.

IMO, this case is solved.

He didn't tell me to change it, he didn't want me to change anything, he went straight to my reputation. I even offered him to agree for a collateral together but nothing, this is abuse of power from arrogance.

Tell me one thing. can you provide a full collateral and ask for a loan now or not?

Assuming I can, will he and the rest of the club remove the neg reputation? I don't think so

Bumping for visibility

Bumping for visibility.   ;)

Bumping for visibility...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3966694.msg37798288#msg37798288

You're just being a crybaby now.  We'll wait until you cry yourself to sleep.  :)

What are you trying to say with that post? You know why I closed the thread and you know I have searched a solution with you many times, you are just an arrogant asshole not willing to come to a solution therefore I will keep bumping this forever once per week or so

You didn't even wanted to agree for a collateral together

I think you will cry yourself to sleep before then.  :)

See? You only want flame I'll give you flame then

Stop trolling people, you are grown up. :)

Why would you want to keep bumping a thread that proves you are untrustworthy? Surely you want it to fall off the front page so less people see it? ???

Why would you want to keep posting in my thread that proves Vod is an asshole? Surely you want it to fall off the front page so less people see it

Your bootlicking is even worse than the actual DT clique bullying me, I'll ignore you now

Vod is only an asshole to you because he stopped you from scamming. 

To everyone else, this makes me look like a hero.

Keep posting man, I appreciate it.  :)

I asked for a loan using a collateral you did not like, I could have changed it, with the same logic everyone who buys a gun is a murderer you are nonsensical

You broke the clearly stated rules. FTFY.

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Oh no! I've been ignored by a scammer! Whatever will I do!? Might as well abandon my account now.

You'll turn it off to read what he has to say - what is the point of showing that to everyone?

Keep reminding everyone that I stopped another scammer please.  Thanks.

He said his opinion multiple times now he can go away, I won't show his posts again

Maybe he is your alt account trying to flame more who knows?

Bumping for visibility