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EDIT: Looks like Mux has created a much easier deal that will update itself and total the ordered hashing power. I'm going to abandon this and refer everyone to his website:

http://alphat.emux.fr

OLD POST:

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I'm starting a list of orders placed for Alpha Technologies' Scrypt Miners; basically what Tigggger did for KnC Neptune orders and others have done previously for other projects. Please list your:

Partial Order Number (omit last digits)
Pay Date
Method of Payment
Number of Machines Ordered - Please Specify Model & Quantity
Delivery Country

Thanks to all those who participate.

Partial Order Number (omit last digits): 52xx
Pay Date: 2014.01.04 12:00 UTC
Method of Payment: Bitcoin
Number of Machines Ordered: 1x25MH/s
Delivery Country: NO (Norway)

Partial Order Number (omit last digits): 55xx
Pay Date: 2014.01.04 14:00 UTC
Method of Payment: Bitcoin
Number of Machines Ordered: 1 x 25MH/s Viper
Delivery Country: UK

can't wait to see all of you crying months from now when you get nothing

Stay on topic!

Or laugh to see so much more coins we have mined.

Partial Order Number (omit last digits): 56xx
Pay Date: 01/04/2014
Method of Payment: BitPay
Number of Machines Ordered: 1 - 5 MH Viper
Delivery Country: USA

To the person from Norway:

How much VAT can I expect to pay also ? I've moved to Norway recently and didn't order anything from outside the country because I simply don't know what kind of taxes could I face.

Ordered 1x Viper (25mh), order number 57xx, paid in bitcoin.  Hoping this ships!  :)


edit: I am in the USA

It will be 25% VAT on the GBP value in NOK of the order + the shipping cost at the time of customs clearance.

Partial Order Number (omit last digits): 56xx and 57XX
Pay Date: 2014.01.04 14:30 UTC
Method of Payment: paypal
Number of Machines Ordered: 2x25MH/s , 1x25MH/s  3total :o
Delivery Country: USA  ;D

Order Number : 50xx
Pay date : 2014.01.14
Method payment: Bitpay
Machine ordered: 1x 25 MH/s
Country : Netherlands.

found myself in a bad spot :/ ordered 25m/h viper via bank transfer, only to find out from my bank that they've recently stopped doing international wire transfers. no btc and no paypal ;/ time to look for a different bank.

Partial Order Number: 48xx
Pay Date: 2014.01.04 13:00 UTC
Method of Payment: Bitcoin
Number of Machines Ordered: 1 x 5MH/s Viper
Delivery Country: Netherlands

Order Number : 54xx
Pay date : 2014.01.4 1:08pm UTC
Method payment: PayPal
Machine ordered: 1x 5 MH/s
Country : Germany

Partial Order Number (omit last digits): 63xx
Pay Date: 2014.01.04 18:16 UTC
Method of Payment: Bitcoin
Number of Machines Ordered: 1 x 5MH/s Viper
Delivery Country: UK

Within 10 mins a cancelled order was 20 orders less.

Hello,

I made a dedicated website to track the orders!

http://alphat.emux.fr/

Partial Order Number (omit last digits): 64xx
Pay Date: 2014.01.04 12:00 UTC
Method of Payment: $0 Liability Bitches: Credit Card
Number of Machines Ordered: 1x25MH/s
Delivery Country: USA

I'll be taking requests to reserve 1Mhash 7 day leases pre-paid and fully refundable :)

My bank is on the phone.  They think I got scammed...

Partial Order Number (omit last digits): 60xx
Pay Date: 2014.01.04 16:36 UTC
Method of Payment: Bitcoin
Number of Machines Ordered: 1 x 5MH/s Viper
Delivery Country: US

That site does not account for possible or probable scammed btc.

We need to see a record of btc paid vs reversible payment methods.

Is there even a real possibility of reversing payment after 2 months with PayPal? (Not that I am aware)
And, as stated on Alpha's website, your final payment can be made however you like.
Not sure exactly what you mean?

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Is there even a real possibility of reversing payment after 2 months with PayPal? (Not that I am aware)
And, as stated on Alpha's website, your final payment can be made however you like.
Not sure exactly what you mean?
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I can reverse a cc charge after years.

F PayPal just pay with a $0 liability cc.  Screenshot and save all tos receipt site etc.

This is about a 67% chance of being a complete scam.

Besides let's compare cc to btc odds of recovery.

I can reverse a cc charge after years.

F PayPal just pay with a $0 liability cc.  Screenshot and save all tos receipt site etc.

This is about a 67% chance of being a complete scam.

Besides let's compare cc to btc odds of recovery.
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They don't take credit cards. But, you can use your credit card when paying with paypal - Thx for the suggestion.

How can you say that these two companies who have been in business, for a fairly long time (10 years for the UK company I believe) and notable (the Indian company is supposedly a pretty trustworthy company and has been working with other notable companies) are scammers? That sounds a bit extreme. And how do you come up with your 67% figure? They have been in communication for a while before accepting payments so it doesn't seem like a typical scam.

Perhaps we should take this to the original thread btw.

They don't take credit cards. But, you can use your credit card when paying with paypal - Thx for the suggestion.

How can you say that these two companies who have been in business, for a fairly long time (10 years for the UK company I believe) and notable (the Indian company is supposedly a pretty trustworthy company and has been working with other notable companies) are scammers? That sounds a bit extreme. And how do you come up with your 67% figure? They have been in communication for a while before accepting payments so it doesn't seem like a typical scam.

Perhaps we should take this to the original thread btw.
[/quote]


This thread is listed as "Old" meaning the topic is longer relevant :)

Paying through PayPal without an account makes paypal the CC processor it's the same as a direct cc payment.

I'll be honest.  I am not saying anyone is a scammer I am saying that over 50% of asic companies make money the same way: 
1. they don't worry about consumer laws
2. they don't prove they have products or even consider demoing or proving products before asking for money
3. they use customer money to pay for R&D
4. they communicate for a while before accepting payments :)

Knowing absolutely positively nothing whatsoever about the companies makes this simple for me: I have no risk using a CC.  I have a lot of risk if I don't have one of these when they ship.

I pulled that 67% right out of thin air where 80% of all statistics come from.  Didn't even use a calculator.  Just thin air.

You guys are already sending in preorders on this? Why don't you just throw money into a fire and hope to get warm. 6-9 months out, new company. Great plan!

I'll throw one of my credit cards into a fire as well.  Actually I've burned one in a similar demonstration.  I lost $0.00000000000000000

But it did smell.

People are reporting that they paid in BTC.

I bet you can get Gnar1ta$ to do an escrow bet for a few BTC that you will never ROI paying with BTC whether they ship or not!!

History never repeats, but it sure rhymes.

Why would the site need to account for that? Which authority do you believe will take the XBT back from AT? The only reversible payment method accepted is Paypal, and considering the ship date which will be 3-8 months from now, that really isn't an issue either.

Which CC company allows you to do this? Of the 40+ CC companies with which I am familiar in North America, not a single one will allow a CC chargeback "after years". Generally they require that it be done within 1-2 months of receiving your statement containing the fraudulent charge. I see no logical reason why a CC company would accept that you received a fraudulent charge years ago, which you didn't bother reporting until now.

Considering the turnover of merchant accounts used for fraudulent sales, your CC company would essentially have to eat your loss by accepting a chargeback "after years". Honestly, i would love to know which CC company you claim offers this as it seems like a business model ripe for abuse.

Visa.  For everything else there's mastercard.

guys on page 2 are confusion "List of Orders" thread with "lets all doubt this company" thread  :-*

The company I work for in the UK state the abbreviation "UNK" on invoicing/shipping doc's which mean's UN-Known.

Why the hell would you order this! Nobody has a clue who these guys are, the price is just a little better than gpus, the ship date is months and months away....
What are you thinking!

perhaps we are thinking 25 mh/s gpu rig would be 49x 250 watt + motherboard , cpu and other power +39/350 dollar + other hardware..........

Perhaps ? How many times over would that setup pay for itself by 6 months??

less power usage,less hardware cost, quicker ROI.this is a good thing, not a bad thing......

A machine that you (maybe) get in six months will roi for you faster than rigs you can buy today?

this sucks.. if its really real then hundred people will buy that and if i can afford one its already sold out  ;D

i dont understand all this doubt people have, just because butterfly labs had problems doesnt mean this is the archetype for every machine ever launched in this crypto industry. this company is registerd in the UK and has an office building, their partner is a reliable company in India....

Well, after a little research, I'm definitely not buying: https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/alpha-technology-(int)

3 guys called Mohammed Akram with different middle names and birth dates? I'm not buying it...

https://images.weserv.nl/?w=800&url=i.imgur.com/AFBVVna.jpg&fnr

Which ASIC company made statements and promises and then delivered on time for an ROI?

ButterScamLabs NO
KnsCam NO
ScamFast NO
CoinScammera NO
Etc
Etc
Etc


I agree.

Hi Guys,

Just wanted to let you all know that I spoke to a guy a few weeks back called 'IamRichard' as he also had a thread in regard to Alpha-T.

The reason I messaged him is because this company is about a 15min drive from where i am in Manchester and I am keen to check them out and actually speak to the owner and understand time frames before committing any money.

Does anyone actually have any realistic idea of timescales?

Please let me know, also, if there are any other manchester locals, make yourself known!

Thanks

Sev

Seems a bit odd, if you look on streetview, the company next to Alpha Technologies address:
https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-2.22018!3d53.452213!2m2!1f136.94!2f95.6!4f75!2m9!1e1!2m4!1sJPqlIRH0yAPcgdzSihCGig!2e0!9m1!6sStanley+Avenue!5m2!1sJPqlIRH0yAPcgdzSihCGig!2e0&fid=5 (https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-2.22018!3d53.452213!2m2!1f136.94!2f95.6!4f75!2m9!1e1!2m4!1sJPqlIRH0yAPcgdzSihCGig!2e0!9m1!6sStanley+Avenue!5m2!1sJPqlIRH0yAPcgdzSihCGig!2e0&fid=5)

Has "M. Akram & Co - Certified Accountants", while the Alpha Technologies company is registered to Mohammed Akram. Could be this is just a common name or coincident.

I emailed the company and hopefully they can comment on all the attacks here.

Well, if this turns out to be a scam, you can probably collect lots of BTC donations by going there and delivering some punches ;)

No but seriously, please go and talk to them, I'd love to know what they have to tell you.

They are in a disgusting area of Manchester, not going to lie, its horrible. haha.

Yeah, one guy I've been speaking to on irc has actually popped past and said its nothing but a sign fronted shop, although, he and I are keen to talk to the owner and have a discussion. Obviously he would get some positive PR from hte meet too because we can provide some honest reporting on our findings!

Never been to Manchester, only to Birmingham once. Saw lots of similar areas there so I assumed it must be normal... ;)

no no, manchester is very divided. there are obviously nice areas, but Longsight is not particularly nice :/

The company just emailed me back regarding the addresses and names:


Now, I doubt it is a multi year in the making Family scam! LOL

Knc delivered quite well, and their customers did very well. Maybe a few had issues but for most the process was excellent.

Someone managed to go there ?

This stuff looks weird. Here is the linked in profile of Mohammed Jafar Akram:

http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=307390318&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=AIM8&locale=en_US&srchid=39760291389043294223&srchindex=1&srchtotal=2&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A39760291389043294223%2CVSRPtargetId%3A307390318%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary&_mSplash

They are using their real names so that is a good point but what about their credentials ? Do you think they will manage to get the job done ?

Partial Order Number (omit last digits): 55xx
Pay Date: 2014.01.04
Method of Payment: PayPal
Number of Machines Ordered: 1 x 25MH/s Viper
Delivery Country: Germany

Partial Order Number (omit last digits): 51xx
Pay Date: 4th Jan 2014
Method of Payment: BTC
Number of Machines Ordered: 1 X 5mh
Delivery Country: UK

So they are closing the first round of oreorders. Found enough suckers to loan them money interest free for as long as they want to use it. Still just would like to see a company that could release a product when it was ready to ship instead of this horrible setup. They never addressed the illegal refund policy, or really anything else. Just in this mode of putting out press releases and emails with a little info and not responding to anything else.

I thought all asic companies were required to screw us over using the BFL method?

Are you saying there are options?

Have you checked their address? I have myself, another one here at Bitcointalk did take some pictures...

What will happen with the presumed ASIC-miner when the developers behind Litecoin will change the algorithm to prevent ASIC-mining?

PS: They promised to change it ;D

Hahahahaahaha I love seeing people being scammed lmao history repeating itself over and over again.

So Have you been there or not ??

Cancellation policy sucks.
Information looks ok if they can get their "ASICs" cheap in bulk

An FPGA is NOT an ASIC :).

FPGA = Field Programmable Gate Array (CAN DO ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN PROGRAM ON IT)
ASIC = Application Specific Integraded Circuit (ONE FUNCTION OPTIMIZED)

I took the chance

ordered 10/01/2014
1x5mh
paid with bitcoin
Canada
9XxX

So did I - decided it made sense as well to pull the trigger on this one - too bad their estimates push these devices out to July 2014 before delivery. Go on trollers...give us your worst  :P

Has anyone actually contacted Dexcel Designs (http://dexceldesigns.com) to confirm their alleged partnership?

But, sir, Alpha Technology is located at 66 Dickenson Road! I'm confident you're reaching here :D

Why not just look on their website and see it as news before asking?
Come on people, it is getting crazy with the hate here.

I apologize, you're right. It was the very first article in their scrolling news frame though and I must've missed it.

Anyway, it's not hatred, just plain scepticism. A £405 deposit for the 5 MH/s is not an amount I can really afford to spare in case this thing turns awry.

If you can't just throw away this money DONT MAKE A PREORDER FFS

Come on, there is a big chance for a total loss with one of these, never mess with things you can't afford. If you have money and want a real product, build gpu rigs.

No problem being skeptical. I still am. At least we don't have to put the full 1350 pounds down. So hopefully they have a working unit before final payment!

I actually wouldn't have put the whole amount down, just too much of a chance. I've been bit by BOTH Avalon and BFL, but got a refund from the former.

But these guys will take more of your deposit the longer it takes them to ship! So if you get tired of waiting after nine months pass, you're screwed. If they even are around to give refunds at that time. The policy isn't even legal, anywhere that I can tell, but people keep giving them money.

There is no comparison to losing 30% of your money and 100%.
I will take the 30% chance. As I've said before, this is a special experiment to take part in. If the owners are genuine (and time will tell), we are behind them and we go in this together.
Also, substantial progress has been made with ASIC's, so even though they are applying it to LTC, we have some history helping us out now.

If anyone wanted one of the big Viper's (25Mh/s), I'm selling my spot here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410595.0

Yes, they moved from 64 to 66 Dickenson Road:
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/alpha-technology-%28int%29

Your sex attacker is a cab driver from Glasgow:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3459361.stm
(this is his 2004 attack also mentioned in your link)

Check out Mohammed Jafar Akram on LinkedIn to find the right guy.

I have read (can't remember where if I find the link I will put here) that GDDR6 is coming out in 2014 and one GPU with GDDR 6 on should be able to hash at about 2M/Hash +/- 10% for the cost of a 280x today, so I might skip on the first ASICs until they bring out a faster ones for the same value (like BFL with the 600G/hash cards for the same value as 100 a year ago) and that will allow me to see if it is a scam or not.

And I can spend my money on more GPUS for the time being XD to make money now to add up to more GPUs to add up to more and more, I could probs turn my 10GPU rig into about a 50 GPU rig and pay for itself a few times over before the ASICs even hit (25+M/hash total for the 50 card rig) which will be the same as the ASIC but pay for itself a lot quicker. The ASIC will probs pay for itself but for now I think GPU mining until they hit will be the best for miners as they can continue to make money and make more before it hits rather than having money tied up into a nearly non-esictent company which never replies to emails.

Just my 2 cents.

 So, tel me if I'm wrong:
1- There is no especific agenda or schedule to deliver the equipment.
2- The difficulty Mh/s is potentially growing on Litecoin.
so
The equipment devalues each month acording to it's performance/income.
so
if the dificultty average increases 15% a month
and
the equipment arrives in about 9 months,
probably
people buy a peace of junk (the hardware don't pay itself in the further months, and, further more, the simple work will be a loss).

Conclusion: it's a 3D high-risck  :o

That's the way I think
but I wish I'm wrong to those already spend their money on this (supposed) hardware.






 

Order #51xx made on January 4, 2014. Order status: processing.
1 x 25

Sorry can you take my name off. I have got a refund, because I can't bother to wait till July.

Order number: 89XX

4x 25Mh/s Vipers - Paid for on Jan 9.

Their website is alpha-t.net -- are you in on that scam site?

https://alpha-t.net/news/big-announcement/

Longest living scam ever..

Original site was scryptasicinternational.com

releasing only 250 units!

Blah Blah Blah Blah.

still up in the air on scam vs stupid.

the only two legit scrypt asic mining business I know are alpha and knc miner

The ONLY legit scrypt asic miner right now is Gridseed. Nobody else has shipped a damn thing. The fact that alpha can take their 25mh unit and claim that they will be shipping 250mh units instead should be a huge warning to people. 10x capacity from a miner is no simple task.

As I've ordered and received products from KNC in the past, I'm seriously hesitant to call them a scam. However, putting out a wild huge scrypt miner claim with shipping at the end of the year, taking funds now, isn't something that they should have done. They have made 20-40 million from this business so far, they have the funds to develop and sell a miner without preorders. They must be spending all the money on constantly upgrading their own mining facilities, and need the new money to continue operations. It makes no sense otherwise. Anything is possible with them.

 That your opinion and this is mine.



 They have not made any money yet for making scrypt asics and its not wise for a company to lay all of its eggs in one basket; totally stuffing over the sha256 asic owners they have
by pouring all of this money you think they have into developing scrypt asics letting the sha asic development suffer!


Development costs are massive and to stay competitive so early is no easy feat! I would like to bring your attention to how disruptive KNC is being right now and how competitive they are forcing other companies to be already they have nailed their first lines and thats a make or break in this space imo and will be resource hungry to maintain top spot but they have it and are clearly intending on keeping it..

This is a fantastic thing and it shows just how far most companies like alpha have been willing to go to rip people off..sorry i shouldn't say that because thats a bit harsh but its a show of how companies just give you what they need to and take as much as they can. That is why competition is good, especially for the end user.

But as far as i can see doing a great search into KNCs' history its team of engineers...they love what they are doing and they care for crypto and love it. They even go as far as signing their own work, stamping bitcoin and other neat little things right into their boards to make them feel unique and sure they are about money, everyone is but they love what they are doing and they have the power to be; and are being highly competitive; forcing others to follow or get swallowed up..they are good for this space and have already earn't their stripes as far as i'm concerned... My guess is they may have or need to spend a very large sum of money on buying blueprints for scrypt tech that or their labs are extremely advanced now..enough to design them..blueprints and labs are not cheap.

This space is not low enough risk for investors to fund these companies even 60% to just dish out cutting edge tech..especially when its full of kids and nerds with no clue about the way a business runs. So everything gets stamped with "Scam" and move their attention to something else so fast and especially in such an early stage of adoption and development it is a very very risky thing to have happening.

So in a nutshell the risk is placed heavily on us the consumer/miner/interested party and with risk could come huge rewards as most of you have all seen i'm sure and for some of you being lucky to have learn that at such a young age it is a powerful tool.

We can cry about pre order all we want and map out how you would do it in a perfect world (or how you would rather it be to serve you personally) but unless you have the money to make you're own then its what you have to deal with because again this is early days in a cutting edge development and no investor will ever create liquid for a company this early in the game!

At least not in this part of its development because there isn't an assurance that mining will even be that profitable one day and there is more security in developing the end to end user infrastructure. Utilizing the blockchain because it wont matter what bitcoins worth is on exchange with that tech because the money will be made from the companies utilizing its blockchain.

I agree with you personally it would not surprise me nor is it totally out of the scope of being possible that KNC is set to fleece but personally, most people are jealous whether they like to admit it or not.
What they do with their money is up to them, as long as they are giving next to cost hardware and delivering on time then i don't see how they use their money or what farms they setup have to do with their company and ability to provide us with cutting edge equipment!

I personally don't give two shits how much the CEO sells on exchange everyday. How much he earns or how big his dick is. i dont care or think that he should be giving it all to us and should be sitting in a box not getting paid at all because thats how most people sound when they reddit post the bs that they do about people making money in this space!

I think we still live in a world of fiat and things don't get paid for in crypto commodities just yet so its immaterial to me what they do and how much they earn really. I think they need to pay for things!

All you can do in this space is take the best calculated risk and hope they deliver and if they do and you are happy with them then get behind them and support them with repeat business because as far as i can see they have delivered on time and more then advertised speeds. They deliver fast because they don't need all the safety checks for power ect thats why you buy your own. They have their heads screwed on and on a personal level love crypto.

That is much more then you could ask for in this space right now considering the majority of shit we are drenched in daily here but tbh with you there is more talk of scam this and scam that, then there actually is of the scamming going on. What we need is for companies like BFL, GOX, MCXNOW, COINEX and CRYPTORUSH to just buzz off when they don't make it the first or second time! they remind me of old singers and actors that should just stop getting back up on stage especially after they have failed their followers over and over again.

                             I have not ordered form alpha but may do soon to triangle my risk KNC ZEUS and ALPHA looks like a good start to me..for the record i have KNC and ZEUS pre-orders.

wtf is wrong with you? Are you a teenage girl? Why did you use rainbow font? lol



You wrote ALL THAT, and didn't bother to try and read what I said. KNC has money, lots of it. Making a scrypt miner is something they can afford to do without "putting all their eggs in one basket" and you obviously have no idea what it costs to do this.

I also said I'm hesitant to call it a scam. I didn't state one way or the other. That said, being a proponent of the idiotic tendency of people here to send money away for promised miners many months in the future is just dumb. You're not taking a good risk, you aren't making an investment, you are just being an idiot. If you haven't learned yet, from ALL THE OTHER FAILURES, that this is a bad idea.... well you deserve to get screwed.

Colored font so you would read it all, it was kind of an insult because i clearly knew how you would react. You sir do not have the feintest clue how a large company works and should prolly start there before you start on me about what they should do with money they made on sha miners!

Sorry but you have really unreal expectations on the way things work in this world

No one starts out without investments, not steve jobs in his garage not even Mark Z in his dorm not anyone..
someone somewhere had to take a leap of faith, a risk on those new techheads. It is no different here with these companies

You need to stop sticking your nose into their money affairs and start looking at how things actually work, nothing wrong with you questioning their motives but i do think its a tad early to be expecting miners built and paid for when they are built. and shipped!

You're an idiot. The preorder model is not acceptable business practice. You don't have a clue what you are talking about, and you have joined the ranks of idiot consumers who throw money away on dreams. You can't even spell words correctly. It's obvious from your posts that you never even graduated high school, so before trying to tell someone else how you think the world works, you should get some experience.

Only person here that is catogorized in an unsavory class here is clearly you.
Here are five people who dropped out of highschool.

David Karp-Tumblr (left school at 15)
Richard Branson-Virgin (left school at 16)
Mike Hudack-Blip.tv and product manager at Facebook (left school at 16)
Kirk Kerkorian-boguth most the land at Vegas (left school in 8th grade)
Quentin Tarantino Script writer (left school at age 15)
Carl Henry Lindner, Jr- CEO Cincinnati Reds (left school at age 14)

Some of the worlds famous writers could not spell or use grammar well but it did not stop them from telling a story or creating even the first scrabble game.
So your bleak idea of what is and what should be are just that, BLEAK! Your sense of reality is quite different to the one that is going on around you.

Jane Austen- Pride and Prejudice writer broke most of the rules for good English
Alfred Mosher Butts- Creator of Scrabble and was a bad speller. His game scores were extremely poor.


I don't know if you see a wild pattern emerging here? Doubt it!!
Fact is your callous judgments just really prove that you have no idea what you are talking about nor do you understand a working business model in context
outside of what you think is logical from your pathetic and sheltered life experiences..That is clear! You class everything based school education and textbook logic when simply that was all a template to lay upon what really goes on in the world and not what should. I assume its prolly why you have a hard time and are always confused because you are not flexible enough to allow it to happen.

Another fact is i'm prolly worth 50x what you are now or may ever will be and not to mention my life experiences in both failing and succeeding in business.
I do not need to spell to know that you are a fool or to be successful in business. Which is something i and many others have proven.

I dare say that you are the very class that is a product of the media landscape owned  by the people motivated to keep you poor and in debt. you are the middle class scumbag that looks down on everybody thinking you are better because you went to school and mainly because you have hardly been told the truth about what a complete and utter jerk you are being and how misinformed you're.

Because thats how you justify not being any kind of wealthy, you shut the very doors that allow you to become wealthy because of this rigitity you have and its clear and tbh. It saddens me because you are not alone. I dare say you find it hard to adapt well to new situations and are confused if you cannot put something in either a positive catogory or a negative one (one usually being scam and one usually being non scam) because and the fact is my contact list and network is full of extremely successful, wealthy people who cuss like its in fassion, fart at dinner tables and talk about their problems freely without care of being labeled by some middle class fool because at the end of the day logic and common sense is what makes up a larger part of the very foundation of being successful and most zombies have very little of both.

So i will conclude saying that i can give an expose on my achievements to prove more that i have a very solid foundation in which to state what i have about the crypto space and its working business models pertaining to mining manufacturing. Although i hardly think its needed because i think you're already toast in this discussion and i'm more worried about the op forgiving me for being almost completely offtopic.

Nobody cares what you do, just like nobody cares what I have done. I will say that I'm positive you aren't worth 50x anyone, except maybe some homeless people. People with money, business experience, and education do not make statements like you have, and do not believe in giving away their money on a promise far far away. Also, YOU ARE NOT AN INVESTOR. The fact that you confuse the situation you are in, of being a customer who will just sit around waiting for a product, vs an investor which would actually make money off the other suckers like you, is more reason to know that you aren't capable of success. As someone who is educated, successful and runs a number of businesses, I don't need to waste my time discussing it with you. You already made the error of placing preorders in a greedy attempt to make something of your miserable existence, now you want to justify that by attacking someone who says that it is a bad business model.

You're better of maintaining such a list on this forum to have some control, the orders on alphat.emux.fr are absolutely fake.

Anyone want to buy my Viper 250 mh/s order?

I've paid the down but not the final.  PM me... we can do some sort of escrow. You send BTC and I change the registered email and password on my Alpha account and send it to you.

You get in on Alpha's promise for a 250 MH/S Scrypt miner at a discount.

Make me an offer.  BTC only.

lol, sorry sucker, if you actually sent them funds after all the warnings you deserve to get ripped off. This was a giant scam from the start.

You were right, now alpha T threatening people with losing their order place if they don't pay within 10 days.
And then the big lie from the managing director of alpha tech stating the shipments are late because paypal is with holding funds

Spoke to paypal today and they said it isn't true

I would be shocked if anyone even goes through with the order now.
A September Delivery means a HUGE loss on investment. As a matter of fact, with the difficulty
going up as much as it has been, you probably won't make your down payment back. (Depending on electricity rates)
You can buy more Mh/s for cheaper now and get delivery now from AT's competition. They know this and don't appear to be doing anything about it.