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What happened::

I saw Bono's thread about trading 32 LTC for 1 BTC. He was advertising prices slightly higher than BTC-e so it grabbed my interested. He had 1 positive feedback but it was such a new account I was skeptical at first. I looked through his posts to judge what type of user he/she was and see if I can spot any sign of an underlying motive for making posts under this user name (like making people think this person has been contributing to the forums and is not going for the long con). For the most part the posts seemed reasonable and, what some may think, substantive to the thread topic. He/She had also performed one previous trade of 30 LTC for 1 BTC and had one positive feedback from a reputable user (Tomatocage); therefore my guard was slightly lowered. My motive for this trade was sparked by the chance of arbitrage but mainly driven by an opportunity to increase my trust, which I see as something that could prove useful in the future. I had a "YOLO" moment and went for the deal, I see now that it proved detrimental. I'll be sure as shit have my guard up from now on, but please do not make the same mistake.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202128

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=398727.msg4308951#msg4308951

Amount Scammed: 32 LTC - Advertised as having a cumulative value of 1 BTC at time of scam.

Payment Method: Litecoins

Proof of payment sent:
(The "Transaction Details" window is the focal point of this picture in case you can't find it with the vast Havelock window in the background.)
https://i.imgur.com/5n6YQ1x.png




Proof of no payment received:
You can see below that I have not received the 1 BTC yet as there has been no deposit activity after the 3rd of January while Bono's thread was not even created until the 4th of January. You can also see in the screen shots of our private message exchange, I wanted him/her to send the 1 BTC to my Havelock account; luckily there is a log of all my account activity in Havelock that I can't modify.
https://i.imgur.com/hLEPJpt.png




PM/Chat Logs:

These are PM's I received. (Save for the very first messages which I can provide as well if wanted)
https://i.imgur.com/OMdn43i.png
https://i.imgur.com/qnbG7GN.png

These are PM's I sent. (Save for the very first messages which I can provide as well if wanted)
https://i.imgur.com/7cZAlZZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/yJQzZ1u.png




Additional Notes: I advise you do not deal with this user.

I'll also leave this here in case he/she tries to edit it:


This is quoted from the "WTB" thread Bono made. I was as patient and hopeful as I could be, but when I read this I knew it was all over.

that sucks :(
but atleast the positive is this will stop you from making a similar mistake with even more $$ in the future.

hopefully he decides to do the right thing.


Forums should pay someone to sit and scammer tag ppl. Ratings are stupid and give false sense of security. I'm sure a mod would do it for next to nothing and we all know the forum is loaded with $$ anyways...

Damn, I was afraid something like this would happen. I tried to make it as clear as possible that he sent first. Any other type of deal should be approached with skepticism and caution.

I sent him a PM asking him to provide the TxID of his alleged payment to you. We'll see if he delivers, out if he just abandons his account now.

Thanks Tomatocage

Oi vey.

You're really going all out aren't you?

There are a few things are wrong with your post:

1) The first and most obvious omission is a screenshot of the message where you gave me your Bitcoin address. No matter what record of our transaction I post, you will be able to cry foul, claim the receiving address isn't yours, and say I'm just posting any random 1 BTC trade from the time period we were talking about.

I myself don't save personal messages for more than a day, so I'm kinda out of luck on that one.


2) I made it clear in my messages (as I do with every potential trade partner) that I use Coinbase, and their fucked up system can create multiple addresses for each transaction. All in all, the 1.0 BTC I sent you was siphoned through about 16 addresses to get to you, adding an element of intricacy that makes my claim hard to prove especially given point #1.

3) You mentioned that you looked through all my recent posts to judge my character. And what did you find? Nothing that would indicate I have or had any kind of bad intention. Why would I blow my reputation for a small pile of altcoins and risk ostracizing myself from a community I've newly grown to enjoy?



I will say that my cable did go out at the absolute most inopportune time. That was kind of embarrassing and I really did rush to pay you once it was up, but it did take a few hours.

You know what I think? I think maybe you got mad at me for forcing you to wait, and enacted this childish vendetta against me as an attempt to extort another Bitcoin out of me.

Well I ain't budging.

As for you, Mr. Tomato:

I really do respect the way you do business, and you even PM'd me (with manners no less!) asking me to state my case here. I'd like to think I offer a positive influence to this community as a legitimate trader - and I'm rather shocked nobody called out this chairforce guy for omitting some needed information from this post. Given the odd nature of the deal, would you mind removing your negative feedback? I mean, if the troll wants to post some of his own, that's fine, but to have vets bagging on me for unproven and fallacious allegations would really suck.

Hopefully the next guy I deal with won't throw a temper tantrum.

An attitude like this certainly doesn't help your case. Why don't post the transaction to prove your innocence?

If I try to defend myself it will be called BS by the troll who posted the thread, and frankly I don't have any interest in digging up blockchain info for 17 different Coinbase wallet addresses for no reason.

You see, chairforce1 has created a unique situation by omitting his Bitcoin address in the original post. Either of us could post the record of the transaction and the other could call it a lie.

It's just my word vs his at this juncture. I tried stating my point and I'd like to think I look like a straight shooter.

But that was all in my original post... so... maybe this one will be easier for you to read?

*shrug*


P.S.

I am more annoyed than anything. I am the victim of an internet troll trying to extort Bitcoins offa me. Apologies if I sound snappy.

I used to use Coinbase; you don't have to dig up the blockchain info for the many different addresses the btc was sent from - just post the one where it was sent to. That's all you have to do. It's right there in your sent transactions; regardless of how many addresses you say it was sent from.

No need to apologize to me for being snappy. I'm simply pointing out the fact that it appears as if you're trying to be deceptive is all.

Right, and do you know chairforce1's receiving address for that transaction? No, you don't.

Does anyone but me know? Just chairforce1. If I post a screencap, he'll call it a fake. If I post a blockchain link, the answer will be "Nope, not my address, liar." I already stated I don't save my messages so it's not like I'll have a record of him stating what it is. He doesn't have to worry about me blowing his story out of the water.

He has so artfully synthesized this lie that I'm basically burned no matter what I do - all his bitching seems so sincere, doesn't it? His anger, so real. His frustration, so lucid.

But he's a troll and nothing more. Lying by omission is still lying.

So, at the risk of having this turn into he-said she-said, I'm just going to ignore the fucker and ask that Mr. Tomato remove his negative review because nobody can say for sure what happened except me and the troll who started it. My actions and attitude speak for themselves. I bring a positive influence to the forum. If chairforce1 wants to post his own negative review and get his jollies off, that's fine.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me or just read through my other overly-wordy posts ITT. You'll likely find an explanation.

Have a pleasant evening.

Well set a good example and post the transaction ID! I can almost bet your negative rating wouldn't be removed without it. To everyone's who reading this thread, you're the one who looks suspect, not chairforce1, even if he's the perpetrator. You're not even trying to prove your case! Why are you even responding to this thread? No one will believe you unless you at least post the transaction ID showing that 1BTC left your possession (even if it's from 17 different addresses) to another address. You have the address you sent it to in your activity list.... just post that.

If you continue to refuse, just accept the fact you'll be looked at as a scammer from now on.

No need to dig up 17 different Coinbase wallet addresses. Just the one destination https://blockchain.info/address/1NegZCyDo1WkFb5cuhVaXzNbTtQ2HRyPzw

I don't claim to know nothin about nothin, but I don't see any 1.00 BTC transactions to that address on the date you claimed to have paid him. In fact I don't see any activity on that address on the date you said to have paid him. Can you explain this? It's not your word against his at this point -- it's your word against the block chain.


You mean this one?
https://i.imgur.com/7cZAlZZ.png

Bono, I guess this is the part where you log off and never log onto that account again.

Bono has provided some proof that he did send 1.00 BTC from his Coinbase account on the date/time he claims to have paid chairforce1. However, the address differs from the screenshot that chairforce1 posted in the OP.  I have sent a PM to Theymos to see if we can get more data on this. In the meantime I have removed my negative rating for Bono.

No fricking kidding.

Don't you find it AMAZING that he would post a screenshot of his transaction history plus THE ENTIRE HOMEPAGE of his portfolio website (and all that other oddly specific shit) without ever so much as stating his "real" receiving address until it was pointed out like a day later?

I'm calling photoshop on the "message" he added btw.

You guys are making it hard to be nice. Do you all just assume guilty until proven innocent? Or are you all so desensitized that you didn't think about what your words would look like when it came out that I was actually innocent.

Either way I hope you all feel like asses.

It's so easy to fake a scam report like this one. Jesus Tapdancing Christ. If I had posted this thread before chairforce1, I bet you'd have all jumped on the bandwagon against him.

Stop making it difficult for me to be nice to you.

Ta-dah! That's all you had to do! You made this situation escalate to this point because you didn't think it was necessary to provide proof. Now that you have, the tables are turned. Wasn't that much easier than having to explain yourself over and over?

No, I don't feel like an ass. But you've acted like one throughout this ordeal.

I don't have time to read through everything but when I get home from work in 12 hours I will. Here is proof that my Havelock account has the address.

https://i.imgur.com/P38z8LO.png


And I still don't have a deposit.

https://i.imgur.com/wOxHWmd.png

I'm glad to see you're back Bono. Not sure why you just never responded to my PM's. I'll be on in 12-13 hours. Good day.

For what it's worth, I once sent Bono over $5,000 worth of BTC during a trade... I didn't get scammed  ???

Not sure why he would start now as opposed to then

Your account was created pretty much at the same time as the date of your feedback for the trade...

suspicious indeed

where is the tx id/thread  for this $5000 of BTC  sent to bono and why didnt wasnt it mentioned before now ?

A very rational statement.


wut?


Irrelevant


I applaud you for your short, excellent posting history, I fell for it lol. As for reputation....you made your account on the 24th of December. It seems like more of an efficient use of time to just create a new account. I don't understand why you are creating such a wave with this scam; you have what you want and I have nothing.

Speaking of having nothing I would think I'm handling this very well considering I just gave you 32 LTC free and clear. You on the other hand sound very pissy lol.

I don't ever expect to get that 1 BTC, but hopefully more people will become aware of scams.

Why waste everyone's time defending that you didn't scam him when you already have the coins...

Just admit you scammed him (like Gentleman thief) and move on.

Yup. He abandoned his account like I suspected. Scammer confirmed.

Thanks to you and Theymos for the help in revealing this user. I doubt this will help anyone much (and I doubt they will sit for long) but my coins have been transferred and currently remain at this address: LRcv5W5aN8Hp2gg3ix4HG8xwxP7V37U7Eg. If anyone finds themselves in a deal where somebody is requesting payment to this address do NOT perform the deal.

I'm totally not surprised. So all the effort he put into justifying why he couldn't publicly post the transaction was probably just to stall until he found 'proof' 

I'm curious Tomatocage, how did he pull the veil over your eyes? Can you share how you were tricked with the false proof? I mean... If he fooled you - it must've been a pretty good damn tactic. Is this something we now need to be weary of?

He didn't fool anybody -- he just stalled for time. He showed a transaction on the date/time that he claimed to have sent chairforce1. However, the address didn't match up, but he claimed that's what chairforce1 had sent him.

Gotcha! From your experience, do you think this was the setup from the start? Make the deal, send coins to self at precise time, play victim?

I pm'd both parties and they are still both maintaining that they are innocent.


To me that seems like someone who is sincerely pissed off  :P

I dunno, this could be the worst case of innocent Mr. Magooism ever. I'd be more pissed off if I was chairforce tho.

Yeah dipshit Bono basically proved himself to be a scammer. He tried to accuse chairforce1 of being the real scammer, but if that were the case, why would chairforce1 send LTC first? I mean who the fuck scams by sending their coins out first?

Theymos has gone through my private messages and confirmed I sent the address that Bono says I made up. I'm not mad, I'm disappointing in myself. I'm the idiot in this not Bono, Bono played his cards correctly. I also don't really care, people have been warned, I'll never see my 1 BTC. There is no need to keep this alive; I'm going to go with him just abandoning his account though, its black and white. Its easy to sit at a keyboard and write text that portrays angry emotion so don't be naive. He probably has multiple accounts, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were an alt of Bono (NOT an accusation). Also wondering why you would not show our private message exchange as well but only Bono's message of defense.

On another hand, if he sends me my 1 BTC I will show on here that he has made good on his deal in the end and people will have to use their judgement again at that point if they want to do business.

Who are you?
Where are you located?
Pictures of PM to bono?
Fuck it, are you bono?

BitcoinBobbeh.
U.S.
Too lazy to screencap.
No.


His was funnier.

What's fucked up isn't that you're a scammer, what's really fucked up is that you know where to find that picture.

Why didn't you quote my entire post?

Because I didn't need to?

Then how will the world know what picture you're referring to when you say "that picture?"

Really it's inconsiderate to future generations.


EDIT: This is the picture, just to be clear.

Someone post bono's IP on hackforums please, getting real tired of this guy.

There isn't a whole lot that can be done when someone has your IP.

There are maybe 3 people on Earth smart enough to actually be dangerous with someone else's public facing IP... me, Batman, and he who shall not be named.


(This was the picture, by the way)


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-x6GMHX4k8Hs/T89fEIA1omI/AAAAAAAAAyY/8uoFVM8ZLvE/s1600/goatse-State-Farm-CEO-Ed-Rust-Jr-State-Farm-Insurance-Sucks.jpg
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You're kidding right? Someone who knows what to do can track what sites you visit, then hack into those website and editing the javascript. Then, they embed a keylogger into the code, so whenever you enter the site, it will infect your computer. Either that, or they can DDoS you until the sun burns out. Or, call the cops and they will call your ISP for your address. If you really don't think IP can be used for anything dangerous, go on a government site and say you're a terrorist that have placed explosives all over NYC and see how fast the feds show up at your door. You really have no brains do you?  :-\

Can it be used to trace someone to a very general location? Yes.

Can it be used to hack OTHER sites you visit? No.

Can I be DDOS'd? No, because even a monkey knows you can change your IP address literally overnight  (given they aren't ALREADY using a proxy or TOR or something), even if it's static.

As far as I'm concerned I'm still innocent; I'm just having a little fun before they decide to ban me.



Edit:

Any pic requests?

You normally can't change static unless ISP changes it for you for a legitimate reason.

It can be used to pick and choose which websites to hack, ex. man in the middle attack. From there you can capture encrypted data using wireshark if the website has an ssl certificate or unencrypted data which would allow the attacker to log into your account easily.

bitcointalk was hacked not too long ago.

Exactly, so if a hacker knows that he often goes to a poorly coded blog/porn/etc site, they can edit a code in the background to make him download a FUD RAT.

I guess that's true, but I don't think anybody that good with computers is going to be wasting their otherwise valuable time tracking down my constantly-changing IP and putting a yabascreep bug on the background of xnxx.com

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdghBho89MgAoWo3kZ-IuK-JwjFGpgwbW1ZsUZILX6bQdhKZMr

Ok,

Can someone please do something with this scammer? Can he be banned or something? Fucker just made me lose my goddamn appetite.

If you must know, those are [real] brownies made to look like horseshit for Halloween. Took the picture myself.

















































Just kidding, I only wanted to make you look again.

Fucker!!! Effective. I should've known better, lol. You got me.

GOD DAMMIT BONO

So what's the result here?