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It was actually a brilliant idea... which had barely ever been done before.   And it helped many people save their homes.

...

But all in all, we were only able save a small percentage of the homes we were tasked with.

Bold Funding and Bruce Wagner could not identify anyone who actually received any funding through the efforts of the Defendants.

Did you pay the fines that were levied in the civil court? And did you attempt to pay back the desperate people who lost money?

Or did you move to a different state while defaulting on your rent?

The lawsuit also alleges that the defendants did not arrange or provide any funding, but kept homeowners' fees. Neither Bold Funding nor Bruce Wagner possessed an Illinois residential mortgage broker's or lender's license.

The defendants are charged with violating the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act.

Damn Bruce, these kinds of incidents seem to happen to you a lot. I'm sure you were never involved in the MyBitcoin debacle as well...

It was mismanagement.

Any chance you've been convicted of prostitution?  Insurance fraud?  Ever been evicted?

All the pieces are starting to fall together- scammers upon scammers upon scammers.  Is this really the person we want as the public face of bitcoin?

Not. One.

I love the "guys, relax, it was only a civil suit!" line of argument.

Of course, when the best excuse you can come up with is "we aren't criminals, just grossly incompetant!" and even that is clearly contradicted by the facts of the case, there's not really much else you can say to defend yourself, is there?

You need to stop adding all those extremely characteristic traits you have when you write under your real name, when you're pretending to be someone else, Bruce. Especially those tree dots with space before and after which you seem to use all the time. I noticed you have toned down some of your other trademarks a bit since the first messages, but there are still plenty.

This is going to go just like the other thread Bruce started, isn't it?  Bruce posts a bunch of transparent lies in his defense, and then once people rightfully pick apart his lies and post proof that he's lying, he's suddenly nowhere to be found.

Well, in Bruce's defense, he did lock this thread when he created it, so he might not have been expecting people to end up responding, picking it apart, and posting rebuttal and evidence to support the rebuttal once a moderator had unlocked the thread along with moving it into the off-topic section.

Non-moderators can lock threads?

INDEX NO.:          101308-2008
PLAINTIFF:            POST, JAMES
DEFENDANT:        WAGNER, BRUCE
CASE STATUS:      RESTORED (REOPENED)
ACTION:               OTHER
LAST UPDATE:      08-31-2011 10:00AM
JUSTICE:               TINGLING, M.A.

Not in the characteristic way Bruce uses them. He could of course just be a fanboy, but it seems pretty suspicious. "Tod Williams" wrote in the same style too.

Right...

I see that -- it changed right before my very eyes, as I was using it...

MyBitcoin.com has taken my advice...  and made a much needed improvement to their appearance.

I emailed them last week and said, "MyBitcoin is Ugly!   It's needs a fresh modern look.  Simple single-color rectangular buttons that LOOK and work well on Android / iPhone smartphones."

Well, they did it.

I must say, BRAVO MyBitcoin.   You look better than ever!

:)

Now, I won't be embarrassed to tell my friends -- who are business professionals -- that, "Yes. This IS the easiest web interface for using Bitcoin."   ( Before it looked so amateurish... like a drunk teenager had designed it in an hour. lol  )

They say.....  Perception is Reality.

It's IMPORTANT that our tools, and sites, etc. LOOK MODERN, sophisticated, new, hip, and professionally designed (even when we create them ourselves over a weekend, like I did with BitcoinMe.com)....

MtGox.com is always winning high praise for it's sleek modern design too.  I'm proud to show it to my friends too.  (I just wish it were slightly easier for non-tech newbies to use as a primary account and payment system - like MyBitcoin is.)

Bravo Guys!

Someone recently asked me to add TxtEagle.com (http://TxtEagle.com) to our BitcoinPromote.com (http://BitcoinPromote.com) list of entities to target....

After reading all about what TxtEagle does...  They take large repetitive tasks and split them up into a zillion tiny tasks...  Tasks that can be done via SMS...  by the poorest of people.

This gave me the idea:

If they could be paid in Bitcoin....  They would be able to greatly benefit by having some sort of an SMS front-end / interface to their MyBitcoin account (or their MtGox account).

That way, those poor people (who likely have no computer or internet access), could still conduct business via MyBitcoin..... all via SMS.

Developers?

http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQLData.jsp?IndexNo=101308-2008#

So he can afford to jet-set around the world, host conferences, rent very expensive apartments in NY, pay his staff and buy a shit load of new equipment ( which is rarely used) but as of last count he owes over a cool million to his victims and the state(s) as a result of his massive fraud schemes?

This will end well. I'm sure there are plenty of agencies angling to get their hands on all of those ill-gotten gains. Just hope there's enough left to actually compensate the real victims of his scams.

Any chance you've been convicted of prostitution?  Insurance fraud?  Ever been evicted?

All the pieces are starting to fall together- scammers upon scammers upon scammers.  Is this really the person we want as the public face of bitcoin?

There was a saying in ancient Greece, "E pluribus unum", which means, "Let the buyer beware".

How is it a scam to try and help people save their homes?  This is a great libertarian alternative to big government welfare solutions to the problem.  It's sad that their business didn't work out, but that isn't criminal.

There was a saying in ancient Greece, "E pluribus unum", which means, "Let the buyer beware".  Not every business arrangement is going to work out in your favor, if they truly wanted to save their homes they should have made their mortgage payments.

Yeah, I've seen it done a few times. Just about always for an illegitimate reason, too. I'm guessing you can lock the thread if you made it. I've never tried, so that's a guess.

I personally am more of a fan of the saying "ceterum censeo carthaginem esse delendam". It means "do not let your shopping cart be emptied by censors", which I think aptly explains the evils of Capitalism.

I personally am more of a fan of the saying "ceterum censeo carthaginem esse delendam". It means "do not let your shopping cart be emptied by censors", which I think aptly explains the evils of Capitalism.

You know that bruce has publicly said that the 25k BTC he "lost" is nowhere near the total amount he actually owns.

What do you think the chances are that he shoved a load of the money he stole off people with his scams into Bitcoin and then if required he could tell a court he doesn't have the money so can't pay it back, and he legally wouldn't be lieing.

Yeah. Which is why I say someone should let the court know. When you owe money and they're looking at whether you can pay they look at all your assets, not just the change in your couch cushions.

Hiding assets to escape paying a court judgement is a felony in most cases.

Bitcoins are not money or currency and could not legally be considered "assets" since "assets" must have determined "value". IMO

Bitcoin is not legal tender, but it is a currency. Also, its an asset with an easily determinable value.

By that circular definition only dollars and money pegged to dollars can be currency.

The most sincere way to look at all this IMO, is that since Bruce is a swindler by nature or has those tendencies, it can also be reasonably assumed he has cause to hide assets. Bitcoin, as admitted by TurboTax is a very good vehicle for Tax Avoidance, which by it's own nature, is not illegal. Only Tax Evasion is. You can structure your life to avoid the necessity to pay a tax, but you cannot legally evade the tax once it has been established. So, it may be reasonable assumed that Bruce got into Bitcoin to avoid this kind of judgement upon his assets.

We'll have to disagree on this one. Bitcoins are no more a currency than sea shells. "Value" cannot be determined as it's relative to nothing. It's not tied or pegged to the dollar or any currency, so therefore it carries no determinable "value" for tax or legal purposes.

This is just 100% wrong.  If I buy 10 mansions and go bankrupt, you can believe that the IRS will assign some 'value' to those mansions and take them.  Likewise if I had a collection of fine art or, in this case, bitcoins.

We aren't talking about what Bruce has to tell the IRS. We're talking about what Bruce has to tell the court when they order him to pay up, and what the judge can command Bruce liquidate to repay his victims. Big difference.

And if Bruce has thousands upon thousands of dollars of Bitcoins and is hiding their existence from the court so that he can refuse to comply with a court order then that's heading right back into criminal act territory.

Proving he has them, is impossible. He can always say he bluffed. Hiding them is not the same as hiding assets.

So you've never heard of a judge sending police officers and specialists to track down and forcibly carry off assets I take it. A judge also isn't going to be terribly to take kindly to the notion that Bruce "bluffed" about how many coins he had while seeking things from the community, like telling people he trusted mybitcoin with THAT MANY COINS while they were sponsoring his show and he was trying to plug them as hard as he could, because then we're back to, um, Bruce is committing fraud and scamming people again, even if all we're talking about is fraudulent advertising.

Are you one of the numerous cops, narcs or piggies that came over here from somethingsmellsawful?

Nope. I've been here since Bitcoins were under $2. As far as I can tell, the "Hey, let's slander Bruce with the pedophile label!!" influx is pretty recent. And if you were watching those threads you'd notice I spoke up in Bruce's defense against that multiple times even though I already had a number of legitimate misgivings with his image, none of which had anything to do with his sexuality (either that which he acknowledged or that which people claimed), or for that matter, anything that wasn't clearly documented in his own posts and public statements.

Cool, just checking. I tried to push your buttons just to see, and you passed the test nicely.  ;)

All of the questions asked in this thread seem pretty reasonable. It's only character assassination because Bruce wont respond to any of them, which seems pretty suspicious.

Honestly if the points being brought up were so dismissible then why didn't Bruce just tell us this information to begin with, why did people have to dig and find it for him. A man with so much to hide should hold no position of authority or be a promoter of any kind.

Honestly if the points being brought up were so dismissible then why didn't Bruce just tell us this information to begin with, why did people have to dig and find it for him. A man with so much to hide should hold no position of authority or be a promoter of any kind.

Well, I never wanted him to be a promoter. But, hey, can't scam the people if you don't have their attention, right? That's why we get people like this in this sort of position in the first place.

I think you mean "Caveat emptor".  "E pluribus unum" means "from many, one".

That's funny, I was about to post the same thing. I think it's harsh to judge someone for their past actions, unless they are still committing them, unless we are talking about a serious crime. But in this case, I think Bruce is hiding things, and being evasive. He deserves the public lashing he's getting. He gained trust, caused others to trust to their detriment and could possibly be behind the greatest theft in bitcoin history.

And remember, he's still committing them. The Cook County case may be "ancient history", 2004, but the proceedings in New York are current.

That and until he compensates everyone he ripped off he hasn't actually come clean. Publicly speaking about having at least 25,000 bitcoins but keeping quiet about the fact that he's not using a bitcent of it to compensate victims even though he was commanded to by a judge is very much a current action and not a past one.

Can someone point me to where it says Bruce has outstanding debts to victims?

Shouldn't the IRS be notified? Shouldn't someone contact one of the victims named in the civil suit and tell them where to get their money? It seems all of those things would be more productive than posting on this forum.

http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQLData.jsp?IndexNo=101308-2008#

Someone posted the status information straight from a New York court system web server. Case is still active, so it hasn't been paid off. And I told people here someone in NYC should notify the court that Bruce handles Bitcoins and those are an asset, etc -- I'm in the wrong part of the country to forward such stuff to Bruce's judge.

Also, the IRS is the Internal Revenue Service. They care about what they can make you hand over only when you are behind on your taxes. Damages or judgments from lawsuits and prosecutions is a completely different branch of the government: not to mention that the IRS is federal, and I believe Bruce's case is state.

Bruce deserves to be informed on, he is not innocent the only innocents are the people he took money from.

So, you at least admit you are an "Informant", correct?

I just think it would be much classier and less demeaning to the soul of myself, to do something else.
I would probably make a page about his fraud, and point the potential victims to him, so they can do it for themselves. It's not someone else's job to inform, unless you are an "Informant".
If so, then you are shit in my book. You want to spend your life informing on people, then get a job working for the government and we can call a spade a spade.

I just think it would be much classier and less demeaning to the soul of myself, to do something else.
I would probably make a page about his fraud, and point the potential victims to him, so they can do it for themselves. It's not someone else's job to inform, unless you are an "Informant".
If so, then you are shit in my book. You want to spend your life informing on people, then get a job working for the government and we can call a spade a spade.

In other words, you believe I should be insulted if I'd make a report to the judge that's handling his case after he lost, but you'd support it if I gave the exact same information to a victim he defrauded?

Holy fuck, dude. Get a clue.

There are all kinds of actions a person can take. Some are direct and some are indirect. I never said to go tell the victims anything. What I said I would do, was at a worst case scenario if I felt I had to help, which I don't. I'm not involved and I do not believe in involving myself in things that are not my business. Too many people have nothing better to do than to stick their noses in other people's business and this country is a nation a ninny's to all tattle on each other for big brother. I opt to not be a part of that mess of slavish sheepish mind controlled behavior. You, on the other hand, are welcome to do whatever you like. Be a snitch, be a troll, be a stooge for the man. And I hope you can sleep at night with all the direct actions and nonsense you cause in the world.

Be a snitch, be a troll, be a stooge for the man. And I hope you can sleep at night with all the direct actions and nonsense you cause in the world.

Regarding the highlighted part, who says we care about 'big brother'?  Have you ever seen someone affected by a mortgage scam?  Informing the courts that the guilty party has money and is capable of paying them back could put food on their or their kids' table this month, or keep them off the street for another week.

I'm all about 'fuck the police' in crimes like drugs/prostitution/whatever where there isn't really a victim.  But anybody who defrauds people who are just desperate to keep their homes deserves everything they get.  Fuck those people within an inch of their lives, and if I ever have anything I can do to help the victims of that shit, I'll take those steps.

Sorry that your rabid anti-government stance is preventing you from seeing the obvious.

Does Bruce even have a job????

Yeah. Scamming people out of their money can be pretty hard work!

During his show's response to the MyBitCoin debacle he explains that his job is running a sponsored (his emphasis) television show. Exactly how much an independent internet TV show catering to a niche market can generate in advertising dollars bitcoins is a question I cannot answer.

I stated that if you turn over your money, to a person who claims to have a mortgage related company, and you did not even bother to check to see if they were licensed, you are as much at fault for your losses, because if it were not for your part in the stupidity, the con artist could not have your cash.
That's all I stated. These kinds of crimes take two people to work. A willing con artist and a willing or stupid victim.

I don't share the same basic belief system as you, that's all. Just as I only felt so sorry for Bruce when he lost his 25,000BTC.

If it was a moderator I am sure your post in self-defense was removed because of the hateful speech it was forced to reference. I personally thought you handled the attack quite reasonably.

Unfortunately, this is often how things are when an ugly truth comes out. The person who wanted his shameful secrets to stay secret is always going to try to get it back into the shadows, and a criminal's allies are always going to resort to thug tactics to try and keep anyone looking for answers intimidated and silent. :/

So, you at least admit you are an "Informant", correct?

I stated that if you turn over your money, to a person who claims to have a mortgage related company, and you did not even bother to check to see if they were licensed, you are as much at fault for your losses, because if it were not for your part in the stupidity, the con artist could not have your cash.
That's all I stated. These kinds of crimes take two people to work. A willing con artist and a willing or stupid victim.

What I find particularly amusing (and sad) is that so many people are falling all over themselves to defend this guy. He's a known liar and fraudster, and that's not just internet speculation - it's all in the court documents! That anyone would believe a word of his parade of indefensible lies (which basically melt down to shouting "LIES! NOT TRUE!" when faced with these documents) is just just insanity. If I were a new Bitcoin investor and I happened onto this situation, I'd leave this forum and not come back. It's just insantiiy.

Absolutely, most scammers go after poor, old people instead of successful businessmen and the rich.  Just look at Bernie Madoff.  If we had a true free, unregulated market that kind of thing would not have happened since poor people would have to smarten up about their business and would not be so careless with their money.

Do you know anything about the Madoff scandal? He wasn't duping poor people, he was stealing from pension funds and university endowments. Poor people invest in big screen TVs and bigger truck tires, not mutual funds.

Do you know anything about the Madoff scandal? He wasn't duping poor people, he was stealing from pension funds and university endowments.

Do you know anything about the Madoff scandal? He wasn't duping poor people, he was stealing from pension funds and university endowments. Poor people invest in big screen TVs and bigger truck tires, not mutual funds.

I think PinkyPie is just trying to see how fast he can prove he's one of Bruce's shills. :)

More likely he just wanted to test if people here will fall for even the most obvious trolling.

Man, you guys kill it with the memegenerator.

It fucking blows my mind that people think that civil court isn't a big deal. I run a business in the service industry. I could stop going to my clients today and never show up again and never call them back, even after taking their money. I would be scamming them, but I would not end up in jail for it, I would end up in civil court. White collar crime rarely carries cuffs.

And this: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1orWPXoft3jOGWvXumlbUsdqswlbVu8RNDbQ3jfpEGTw

1995:

    Court:

    19 May: Speeding ticket: http://www.fcmcclerk.com/case/rs/case.php case number 1995 TR D 123457

    Corporate:
    Addresses:

    3724 DAYSPRING DRIVE, Hilliard, OH (19 May)

1996:

    Court:

    8 February: Bank One Columbus NA files “contracts, notes and accounts” case number 1996 CVF 004102: http://www.fcmcclerk.com/case/rs/search.php. Default judgment against Wagner in April.
    7 June: Moving violation citation case number 1996 TR D 128317, http://www.fcmcclerk.com/case/rs/case.php. License plate GBA421.
    3 October: Invalid license ticket, case number 1996 TR D 149172, Columbus, OH. Plate AGX3379.
    7 October: Gel gets traffic ticket case number 1996 TR D 149936, Columbus, OH.

    Corporate:
    Addresses:

    3724 DAYSPRING DRIVE, Hilliard, OH (8 Feb, 7 June)
    5959 Abbey Chapel Drive, Columbus, OH (3 Oct)
    838 Thurber Drive, Columbus, OH (Gel, 7 Oct)

1997:

    Court:

    30 June: Gel gets traffic ticket case number 1997 TR D 130577.
    21 July: Law firm Overly, Spiker & Chappano, LPA files “contracts, notes and accounts” case number 1997 CVF 022670: http://www.fcmcclerk.com/case/rs/case.php. Plaintiff wins default judgment of around $1k which is satisfied via a garnishment against Wagner.

    Corporate:

    31 October: Registered agent for Gel Chiropractic Inc, Columbus, OH: http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3713325496221972::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:996370. PDF with signature available. Corp dissolved in 2002 for failure to final annual returns.

    Addresses:

    5959 Abbey Chapel Drive, Columbus, OH (30 June [Gel], 21 July)

1998:

    Court:

    23 January: Apartment complex files case 1998 CVG 002460 against Wagner “and all occupants”, possibly for eviction. Dismissed w/o prejudice a few weeks later.
    29 September: Wagner files personal injury case number 1998 CVE 031481 in Franklin Co., OH. Dismissed without prejudice other than on the merits early 2000 and continued in a new case against the remaining co-defendant.

    Corporate:

    6 August: Wagner is sole incorporator of IT Proactive, Inc., Columbus, OH. http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3713325496221972::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:1020523. PDF with signature online. Corp still active.

    Addresses:

    5959 Abbey Chapel Drive, Dublin, OH (23 Jan)
    1110 Neil Ave., Columbus OH (6 Aug)
    5959 Abbey Chapel Drive, Columbus, OH (29 Sep)

1999:

    Court:

    10 June: Edward Gel charged with misdemeanor soliciting, later pleads to disorderly conduct and fined $250. http://www.fcmcclerk.com/case/rs/search.php, case number 1999 CR B 014093 [ed note: Dear Ed, I’m distressed that you were arrested for a victimless crime, and even more so if this led to your being shut out of the chiropractic profession.]

    Corporate:
    Addresses:

    5354 BETHEL PARK DR, Columbus OH (Gel)

2000:

    Court:

    14 January: Landlord files eviction(?) case number 2000 CVG 001450 against Wagner and Gel.
    25 September: Wagner and his insurance company file personal injury/property damage case number 2000 CVE 032517. Wins $3k default judgment early in 2001.
    31 October: Same landlord files eviction case number 2000 CVG 036971 against Wagner and Gel at same address. Permitted to stay until 30 November or be forcibly evicted.

    Corporate:
    Addresses:

    5354 BETHEL PARK DR, Columbus, OH (14 Jan, 31 October)
    289 TRIUMPH WAY, Gahanna, OH (25 Sept)

2001:

    Court:

    28 February: Wagner files personal injury case number 2001 CVE 007554 against co-defendant from above. Apparent out-of-court settlement a few months later.
    4 April: Wagner gets a speeding ticket, case number 2001 TR D 136523. Pays $120 fine from IT Proactive’s account. His license plate number at this point is “ITPRO”.
    24 May: Wilcox Place LLC files “contracts, notes and accounts” case number 2001 CVF 018925 against Wagner and IT Proactive. http://www.fcmcclerk.com/case/rs/case.php. Default judgment for plaintiff in early 2002 for $10k + 10% interest.

    Corporate:
    Addresses:

    5959 Abbey Chapel Drive, Dublin, OH (28 Feb, 4 April)
    2762 MARTIN RD, # 330, Dublin OH (24 May)

2002:

    Court:

    17 January: Wagner and Gel threatened with eviction in case number 2002 CVG 001958. Outcome unclear.
    12 February: Gel sued for $1500 in “contracts, notes and accounts case number 2001 CVF 005371, default judgment against, satisfied via non-wage garnishment.

    Corporate:

    17 June: Corporate charter for Gel Chiropractic Inc. revoked for failure to file returns.

    Addresses:

    6466 Cobble Way, Dublin, OH (17 Jan, 27 Feb [Gel])
    5354 BETHEL PARK DR, Columbus, OH (Gel, but mail forwarded to address above)

2003:

    Court:

    16 October: Oakland County, MI court proceedings result in the issuance of a restraining order against Ronnie Edward Duke in regards to Wagner and Gel. See below. http://www.oakgov.com/crts0004/main. Case numbers 2003-685436-PH and         2003-685435-PH

    Corporate:
    Addresses:

    Oakland County, MI (16 Oct, both)

2004:

    Court:

    10 November: State of Illinois v Bold Funding, Inc. et al: https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com/cookcounty/FindDock.asp?NCase=&SearchType=2&Database=3&case_no=&PLtype=2&sname=bruce+wagner&CDate=
    24 November: Two lawsuits filed against Wagner and “unknown occupants”, presumably by a landlord, each seeking $4k in damages: https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com/cookcounty/Finddock.asp?DocketKey=CAAE0MB0HCJFCI0MD and https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com/cookcounty/Finddock.asp?DocketKey=CAAE0MB0HCJFDC0MD

    Corporate:

    29 March: Bold Funding , Inc. founded as Nevada corporation. http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=miY3gPQTRABI6kXTVjnPuQ%253d%253d&nt7=0
    20 May: Bold Funding, Inc. qualified to do business in Illinois: http://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/. [note potential surname misspelling, Wagoner]
    2-15 September: “Tod Williams” astroturfs for Bold Funding: http://forum.freeadvice.com/mortgages-refinancing-foreclosure-107/has-anyone-heard-company-named-bold-funding-185765.html

    Addresses:

    9 E Huron St Ste 5000, Chicago, IL (20 May, Bold Funding)
    40 E Chicago Ave Ste 5000, Chicago IL
    2248 MERIDIAN BLVD STE H, Minden, NV (Bold Funding)

2005:

    Court:

    5 January: Wagner and Bold Funding file appearances via their attorney
    12 January: Landlord lawsuits are dismissed.
    9 February: Bold Funding’s attorney is fired or quits.
    1 April: Wagner and Bold Fuding file appearances via their new attorney
    22 September: Bold Funding, Inc. (NV)’s registered agent resigns: http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/corpActions.aspx?lx8nvq=miY3gPQTRABI6kXTVjnPuQ%253d%253d&CorpName=BOLD+FUNDING%2c+INC.
    1 October: Bold Funding’s d/b/a in Illinois has its “Secretary name and address” revoked: http://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/
    1 October: Breach of contract suit filed against Wagner for $1500 by a debt collection agency: https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com/cookcounty/Finddock.asp?DocketKey=CAAF0MB0BGJHGG0MD.  Appears to have been settled out of court in early 2007.

    Corporate:
    Addresses:

2006:

    Court:

    8 March: Bold Funding’s second attorney is fired or quits.
    18 April: Judgment and order against Wagner and Bold Funding for restitution of $116k plus a $250k fine. http://mortgagefraud.squarespace.com/storage/bold%20funding%20final%20judgement.pdf
    14 June:

    Corporate:
    Personal:

    3 November: Wagner describes his “THREE-PRONGED attack” for picking up “boys” for sex in Thailand at http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/724-the-500-baht-virgin/page__st__60__p__4299 under his “punlman” handle.
    16 December: Wagner exhibits epic misgynony and rape apology at http://brucewagner.wordpress.com/2006/12/16/how-to-avoid-becoming-a-rapist/

    Addresses:

    New York, NY (10 Nov via http://brucewagner.wordpress.com/about/)

2007:

    Court:

    20 December: NY Supreme Court case: http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQLData.jsp?IndexNo=101308-2008. Wagner and Gel are being sued for $514,400 plus costs for assault; landlord/tenant occupancy and use, fraud in the inducement. Notably, plaintiff has been accused in a different suit of being a convicted felon, having set fire to his property in dispute, and breaking and entering to said property.

    Corporate:
    Addresses:

    338 W 19th St. #3C, New York, NY (possibly)

2008:

    Court:
    Corporate:
    Addresses:

2009:

    Court:
    Corporate:
    Addresses:

2010:

    Close persons:

    Ronnie Edward Duke (subject of the 2003 restraining order) is charged by the US Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Michigan along with six other people with mortgage fraud dating back to 2004. http://www.fbi.gov/detroit/press-releases/2010/de061610.htm. Prosecutors state Duke is the main defendant: http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/06/feds_announce_mortgage_fraud_c.html. Duke has a record of being sued by mortgage companies and others dating back to 2004: http://www.oakgov.com/crts0004/main

2011:

    Court:

    19 January: 2007 assault/fraud/landlord/tenant case against Wagner and Gel recorded as reopened for inquest: http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/Comments.jsp?IndexNo=101308-2008
    27 June: NY case status conference: http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/Appearances.jsp?IndexNo=101308-2008
    16 September: Next status conference scheduled

    Corporate:
    Addresses:

    290 5th Ave, 5th Floor, New York, NY (onlyonetv.com studio)
    Somewhere in Tokyo (31 Aug - ?)

That doc should probably link to this post (https://i.imgur.com/Ie48L.png) as well. It's the only one Bruce could delete because the other two were guest posts.

It's nice to contrast "Bitcoin Bruce" claiming that child sex doesn't happen in Pattaya to "Thailand Sex Bruce" talking about karma coming back to bite the asshole foreigners that painfully rape virgin customers for $12. I find it interesting that Bruce differs himself by offering 'love' and 'higher tips'. Nothing about not going after virgins. How old can these virgins be?

I dunno... 38 when you're 48 is like 10 when you're 20, right?

Yeah, but 'virgin' is still 'hasn't gotten loose enough to take a flashlight without lube' no matter what age you're talking.

Yeah, but, there are more things in heaven and earth, ... oh ... UP UP UP!

How is it a scam to try and help people save their homes?  This is a great libertarian alternative to big government welfare solutions to the problem.  It's sad that their business didn't work out, but that isn't criminal.

The idea is a fine one.  But if he was honest, he could have: a) turned down excess business because he couldn't handle it; b) held their check while he was backlogged; or c) refunded customers who were clearly too far down the list to help in a reasonable time.

Instead, he took the money, then didn't provide the service he promised.

I can't blame him for having a generous heart and trying to help like a good Christian.

Of course he did, he saw people who were suffering an did his best to try and help them.  His only crime was caring too much.  I would never have done what he did, people have to pay for their own mistakes and shouldn't depend on someone else to try and bail them out, but I can't blame him for having a generous heart and trying to help like a good Christian.

Actually, I'm not even going to really bother any more with those of you who still try to insist that Bruce must be honest. There has been way, way too much evidence. Too much debate. Virtually everyone who defended him at first -- which, to be very direct, includes me -- has been convinced. Those of us who were around before the proof was provided demanded proof. Those of you who show up only after the proof was provided and insist it's not proof? Well, a few were just suspicious and extra thorough. Just about all of them have been convinced.

All that remain are the people who know full well he's guilty, but are either his accomplices, his close friends, his secret identities, and people he's bribed. Or just absolute idiots who wouldn't be convinced even if we had him on video for all of it.

It's clear, PinkiePie, that you are not a legitimate party to the discussion, but rather are here for the sole purpose of lying and pretending no proof is enough. I'll admit to being curious if you're Bruce, or just one of the beneficiaries of his fraud, but I don't really care. All the original doubters on this and other threads who have ever said one thing on this forum worth reading are now convinced that Bruce is a criminal, so take comfort in the fact you tried your best to sow the seeds of falsehood, because holy fuck did you and your friends ever fail.

No he/she is a fake troll from SA lol...

MyBitcoin.com USERS HAD BITCOIN STOLEN. They are returning a portion 49% of them to you: Not sure where to send them? CALL ME. 646-580-0022

And this: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1orWPXoft3jOGWvXumlbUsdqswlbVu8RNDbQ3jfpEGTw

Nagle discovered that the registered address of Bold Funding belonged to an "incorporate in Nevada" legal firm specialising in "asset protection". 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40503.msg494416#msg494416

My Bitcoin's registered address was that of a Nevis corporation mill which also offered services aimed at preventing the corporate veil being pierced.

Someone needs to send a letter to the court clerk making sure they know that Bruce had access to over $250,000.

More than 25,000 bitcoins he lost to mybitcoin.com by his own public statement. I'm sure the court would love knowing Bruce had all that money and had no intention whatsoever of paying the court's judgment...

i swear that on one of his later shows he said he got compensated fully by MyBitcoin for his 25000 BTC.

I remember him saying that he'd been compensated but that it wasn't OK others still hadn't been compensated.  I think he was vague about the amount of his compensation though and didn't specifically say whether he'd received the same 49% others were getting or a greater amount.  I thought it was Episode 38 where he said it but 38 was a conference episode.

i swear that on one of his later shows he said he got compensated fully by MyBitcoin for his 25000 BTC.

This case is open and Bruce will be a wanted man soon enough, he has already missed 2 court dates between jan and sep of this year.

http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/Appearances.jsp?IndexNo=101308-2008

"STATUS CONFERENCE" this is a court-ordered meeting to decide the date of a trial.

I wonder what will happen.

TINGLING, M.A.   10   Wednesday,
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Do you know anything about the Madoff scandal? He wasn't duping poor people, he was stealing from pension funds and university endowments. Poor people invest in big screen TVs and bigger truck tires, not mutual funds.