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I will teach you how to make money trading Bitcoins <> Liberty Reserve <> USD using the latest trading technology MT4. How should I start?

Instructions:

• Go to www.tinyurl.com/fxmetal
• Open a REAL account and deposit 1000 LR
• Once your account is open, send me a PM with your account number
• Download and install Metatrader 4 (MT4)
• Install my EA called Maria's Secret which I will send to you after you send me your account number
• That is all.

The expected profit is 15% to 20% in a 4 week timeframe. Your initial deposit of 1000 should be around 1200 in 4 weeks. Questions are always welcome.

Maria.

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0.01 BTC per smart relevant question.

how many years experience do you have using metatrader?

5 years.

how do u decide to sell or buy ?

When is price "too low" (buy) and when is "too high" (sell) ?

Does posting some bold claims on bitcointalk have anything to do with it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40494.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40494.0)

Very good question. I do not decide at all. The program (which is a plugin that runs inside of Metatrader) automatically buys and sells when the price reaches the proper targets. It only works using brokers outside of the USA by the way.

thanks for the bitcent.

do you normally trade fx or stocks?

if fx, what's your favourite pair?

I only trade FX because of the 24/5 market. The pairs vary depending on the price daily movement range I am looking for. Right now the pair of choice is the GBP/JPY but the logic of the system applies to any pair I select.

Do you use only technical analysis for decision making or you include fundamental as well?

How do you setup MT4 to see and trade BTC?

You stole my question!

It is possible that Maria just wanted to invest $200,000, and was just telling us why the market was acting wierd (or something).

My analysis is 100% mathematical and logical. It does not rely on any special technical indicator or any particular global news event. This logic is applied on the MT4 program and frees me from making any decisions at all. I only decide how much I want to withdraw.

got my bitcent :)
thx

Why do you want to teach us?
Whats in it for you?
Affiliate?

If it works good why dont you keep it a secret?

No need to give me any Btc

Money is the answer to all of your questions. Money is like blood, you have to keep it flowing.

can u give some expected gains estimations,

for example, what could I earn on average
in a weak of automated trading,
using 100 BTC as initial bankroll ?

At the moment I think it is not possible unless you can integrate MTGox API into MT4 somehow. Would be awesome!

10% to 20% a month depending on market conditions.

And how will you teach us something that is not possible using MT4?

We will trade Liberty Reserve instead. The profits made can then be used to purchase BTC.

So now that a few things are clear lets begin.

Requirements.

Metatrader 4 from your broker of choice that accepts Liberty Reserve.

My broker of choice is forex-metal.com

Once you download the MT4 program send me a PM so I can send you my private EA and run it for 4 weeks and post the results here on this thread.

We can use join.me if you need assistance setting up the platform.

Maybe you already answer, but how much cost your training?

My training is Free. The knowledge you will gain is Priceless.

MagicalTux, let me teach you how to grow and multiply your stack of LR so you can pay out faster and not depend on Aurum or Paxum.  Great job by the way!!

Here's a great question: How come you ignored the question about lying about a bitcoin purchase in order to try and manipulate the bitcoin market?

Here's another: Why should anyone believe anything you have to say after such a transparent attempt to be disruptive?

You're claiming to be an expert on making money trading when in your last thread you said you didn't know how a large buy order would affect the market? You're quite a comedian, Maria!

What's the recommended initial investment to get a good start?

Also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=22076

Maria is definitely up to no good

1000 Liberty Reserve in 4 weeks avg should give about 150 LR in profit totaling 1,150.00 LR in 4 weeks. No bank or financial institution can deliver those results in such a short period of time.

Recommended Min 1000 USD LR.

jwzguy: We did buy. Made thousands. Should I thank you?

The trading books show that you're lying.

Good luck with your scam!

I guess I should thank you. Thank You!

Will you be trading enough to receive commission discounts on trades?

I get it! It's opposite day!

So "I am going to buy 110k BTC" means "I'm not going to buy anything!" as is evidenced by a decidedly below average volume since your post, and then a large SELL yesterday.

"I have no idea how this order will affect the market" means "I know exactly how this will affect the market."

"Thank you!" must mean "F off" and I'm guessing "I want to teach you how to make money" means "I want to make money off of anyone dumb enough to believe me at this point!"

In honor of opposite day, you're welcome!

Do you mean will I receive commisions for your trading activity? Only if you are reffered by me to my broker. In that case then yes, I collect a percentage of the spread the broker charges per trade. So it is very very lucrative for me. I love it.

Will you receive any discounts per trading volume? No, you will only receive monthly profits.

So let me get this straight, I give this Maria person access to an acc with 1000LR on it, and get rich when she performs some invocation of Yog-Sothoth on it (that's what traders do, right?) which will cause my monies to grow?

Am I getting this right ?

You never give me or anyone acces to your account. You open your account and then take my Magic Software and run it within your trading program. My magic software makes your monies grow.

Maria-
 
Can you provide any block explorer links for your large transactions mentioned above? I couldn't find them myself. This should clear all doubts regarding your intentions, only then will people have open minds for your advice.

Edit: THIS IS A SCAM. READ ON FOR DETAILS. (tldr version: she wants you to trust her executable, but has been proven a liar and a market manipulator.)

What are the biggest mistakes people make?

I understand your query but It is not related to the topic. Sorry.

What makes this system better than any of the others out there?

Is this thread primarily a technique to get your referral percentage from your broker?

What is the math your EA operates under?

Can we see the records for your BTC wallets to prove relative profitability?

How about exchange account history?

What are the mathematical conditions under which your EA results in a net loss?

If net total money is a zero-sum game, who absorbs the losses for your EA users profits?

How can you have any accuracy in predicting market behavior without use of technical indicators?

Overestimate their health...

lot of questions...lets see... you can not see any past financial history because I will not disclose that. The mathematical algorythm is my intellectual property and I will not disclose that. Your questions are on point and valid so the best thing I can do for you is help you set up a DEMO account and test run the EA for 4 weeks then I will answer as we move along. YES, i LOVE making money so it is no secret that By helping you I am SURELY helping myself.

She can't because they don't exist.

Tradehill hasn't even done 25k worth of volume in the entire week since her post. And a big chunk of that was sells as the price has gone down in the last 24 hours. So we know for 100% certain that even if she represented 100% of tradehill's volume (reality is probably 0%) that she is still lying.

Similarly for MtGox, volume showed abnormally low volumes since her post, the highest amount of volume has been sells in the last 24 hours.

If she's claiming 80k of the volume last week (horseshit) she would have lost thousands, not made thousands.

There's no scenario under which this troll/scammer could be telling the truth. Be wary of any "business offers" they make.

Dude, do you have an agenda against me or something? Nothing better else to do? Are you mad because I am giving out FREE Bitcoins for those who can formulate smart questions and you havent got any? Grow up!

I notice you didn't contest one thing that I said. (Not that you could, since they are easily verifiable facts.)

My guess is that you're giving out bitcoins to give the false impression that your next scam is legitimate. The only smart question is "why would anyone trust you?" after the nonsense you've said. Your own posts contradict your "expertise."

Why dont you take the time and let me show you first hand what my software can do for you. After 4 weeks you can call me a scammer. Deal?

So what you are doing here is not related to bitcoin. You are giving an EA expert to trade forex with MT4.

What kind of strategy use this EA?
Can you show us a backtesting?
Why i must use it with brokers accepting  LR, can't use it with other brokers that i can find with better spreads but they don't accept LR?
Is the EA virus free?

Great Questions!!
The only relation it has to bitcoin is that the profits you make with liberty reserve can be used to purchase bitcoins.

Virus Free.

Doesnt have to be LR broker but the point was to grow the LR to then buy bitcoins from MTGox.

It uses a grid hedging system that benefits from the market swings Up or Down does not make a difference.

No backtesting, only forward-testing.

Forward-testing ok then can you publish your live trading with this EA in www.myfxbook.com or other site whre we can see the progress?

Where can i download the EA?

I will give 1 BTC to the first person who sets up a DEMO account with any MT4 broker and runs my program for 4 weeks. That person must post here the results.

Ok I'll give it a try, I have a demo account set up.

Ok please post here your account number, broker you selected and link it to myfxbook.com so everyone can follow. Thanks

ok myfxbook.com account - 160673 broker - Forex-Metal It still says pending so I'm not sure if there's anything else I have to do to link the accounts, I'm not familiar with this software.

I can sum up Maria in a few points.

1. Very new to money making industry
2. Absolutely new to trading
3. Just discovered MT4 trading software
4. Perhaps made some quick profit with demo dollars.
5. Now see herself as an expert.

The whole thread and general approach used point to those 5 key points, enjoy!

Mathematical algorithms are traditionally not considered "intellectual Property." That term is vague. Are your claiming copyright (protecting the creative expression of ideas from wholesale copying (for a 'limited' period of time)), a patent (limited time monopoly on a novel invention (this would be a business method patent)), or something else, like a trade secret (there are penalties for disclosing those without permission). I think trade secret most closely matches your attitude. A patent would be publicly available, since that is the whole point of patents.

You are not teaching anybody to make money (thread title): you are asking them to turn their money over to you and let you manage it.

Is this a better question to be asking questions in? I am sorry for my confusion.

Maria.

PS I have other questions too:

What are the hours of operation?
Can I use hairspray on my wig or hairpiece?
Do you ship internationally?
What does a Monofilament Wig Mean?
What economic benefits did the expanding railroads bring to landowners and merchants dureing the second half of the nineteeth century?
What does political legal environment mean?
Part of my order contains beauty items, will this delay my order from being shipped?
Will I have to sign for my package?
Oops! I accidentally placed my order with normal 4-5 business day delivery shipping, but I need the order tomorrow!
Do you ship to PO Boxes or Military APO/FPO addresses?
How do I take my correct head measurements?
How long will it be before I receive my order?
What is structural fiscal policy?
What about cutting, re-setting and coloring my wig or hairpiece?
Are their any other styling products available for synthetic or human hair synthetic blend wigs & hairpieces?
I just placed an order online, when will I get my order?
How do I put on and wear my wig?
How do I clean my synthetic wig or synthetic hairpiece?
What do you charge for standard shipping an order?
Will my wig frizz?
What type of styling tools can I use on my wigs and hairpieces?
How often do I clean my wig or hairpiece?
What is flow of goods?
How do I send a sample of hair?
I just received an email with my tracking number and the number shows my order was delivered. How is that possible?
What is comand economy and what are the advantages and disadvantages?
Can I expedite my shipping?
How do I clean my human hair wigs and hairpieces?
What are the shipping charges for returning an order?
What term refers to the quantity of goods and services that sellers are willing to offer at various prices at a given time?
How does your professional styling service work and what is the cost?
Can the wig be made bigger or smaller to better fit my head?
How are orders shipped and delivered to Alaska or Hawaii?
Can I buy or borrow a color ring to find the color that's right for me?
How can I track my order?
How do I store my wig?
How are orders shipped to US Territories and APO/FPO addresses?
What are the examples marginal analysis or incremental principle?
Can I expedite my order being shipped to Hawaii, Alaska, U.S. Territories, PO Boxes, or Military APO/FPO addresses?
Oops! I accidentally placed my order with the incorrect shipping address. What should I do?

Maria.

Here is the link for the EA: http://limelinx.com/files/c1781dc60957147908a00f92d74a2e01

Install under C:\ Program Files \ Metatrader (forex-metal) \ experts \ maria.ex4

 

ex4:

Most important and worthy question that may not need an answer, but a deed.  Can you please edit the original post to include important direct links on where one needs to register, if anywhere, program links, and some sample question and answers that have been given through the thread?

Thanks :)

In due time I will and thank you for your suggestion. In the mean time read the full thread and feel free to ask me any questions.

Thanks :)

What question would've earned me the most if i had asked it instead of this?

What happens if Liberty Reserve suddenly vanishes and alll I get is 404 Server Not Found?

What happens if Liberty Reserve suddenly vanishes and alll I get is 404 Server Not Found?

That is a really good question to ask MagicalTux.

Okay I just asked him. He says I should ask Maria.

That may not be as bad as it sounds: the file is less than 100kB. It may be possible to figure out what it does before the demo expires on October 7, 2011.

That file did answer one of my questions: The "Intellectual property" maria claims on the software is "copyright."

Wow! Maria is at least a liar, that much seems to be confirmed by evidence. So maybe (s)he is a con artist.
I am writing "(s)he" because it is possible that (s)he lied about his/her gender too. Maybe being innocent little Maria has some advantage to being lets say gay Bruce Wagner if you are a con artist.
Yet people still install some compiled program written by him/her.
I am all the time again and again amazed by the stupidity of people. I am sure (s)he could even name it "wallet-stealer.exe" and yet people would show up installing it.
This brings me to the 10 BTC question:
Maria, are you CoinHunter or his wife or his husband?

I don't know guys, Maria could actually be legit. IIRC this little gem paid her mortgage off https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=26218.msg327634#msg327634
I would be a little sceptical about the Maria.ex4 trading profile, I haven't looked into it at all but one could probably design a  profile that emptied your balance after said 30 days.
Stay frosty!

well maria 'accidentally' pasted her mtgox balance and other details, in a pm when she sent me a mtgox redeem code for 0.01, and it was most definitely a significant balance.

easily faked of course, but i'm guessing not.

My personal financial struggle has nothing to do with the system I am trying to share. Please guys, stay on topic and keep those good questions coming. The guy who's trying to figure out the "intellectual property" this thread is for that, just ask me questions dude and I'll help you out the best way I can.

Maria.

PS. I am a Liar, Scammer, Comedian, Con-artist, Bruce or anything else you want to call me. Yet, I am the only one sharing a GOLD  SECRET giving out FREE BTC just for asking questions. Evaluate yourself.

You didn't answer any of my questions. :(

I tried but...you know.

OK - here is the related question:
How much difference in profit did you make when you "enhanced" your trading by making bold statements on this forum?
Seriously. I know you can only estimate the difference, because there is no way to repeat it under the exact same circumstances. There was speculation after your statements that you just made them to amplify your profit. So seriously, how much?

How long would it take to make profit with this (get back your initial investment)?

And have you made actual profit using this?

Dear Maria, why exactly do you feel platforms like Mt4 can make us more money than just using our brains and looking at the wide range of info that is already available?

And question 2: what is in it for you?

This is a beautiful question. The truth is that the the profit is made because of the speed of the program placing the orders. In order for you to emulate what the computer does, you would need to stay awake on the market 24/5 for the rest of your life. The program is your market slave that frees you from the burden of the research and decision making. Your brain is a miracle but when it comes to speed, CPU wins.

I would not run that code without knowing what it does. I don't have much interest in your algorithm, and if I decoded the compiled code, I probably wouldn't disclose it (unless it does something nefarious). Even if I did decode it, there is no guarantee the "real" code that is willing to trade with real money would be exactly the same.

I specifically asked what "intellectual property" you were claiming. Your only answer was to post the code I looked at, which says (in extended ASCII; appears to be IBM codepage 850 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_850) or Latin-1):"Copyright © Maria"  12 bytes into the file.  From that, I assumed you were mainly asserting copyright.

Smart man! Please stick around because your skills will be needed in the near future.

Maria.

6.  Bulgarian. Me being bulgarian...i can verify that they all want to screw you somehow. Don't fall for tricks!

I don't see anything wrong with screwing Bulgarian women.

Hello Ms. Santos. Haven't seen you around TalkGold and Forex-TSD in a while. Still gambling and pretending you're investing I see.

How much work does it take to be successful? Do you always have to be connected to the market? Are their a lot of good days or bad days? And how recently did you start trading?

Define Success please.

Your computer must be connected to the internet 24 hours a day. You can use a VPS Host if you can not do that.

No such thing as good or bad days, just business days. Bad days I guess could be days that the market is closed.

Years ago.

What is the mathematical model for Forex currencies over popular time frames? Anti-Persistent, Random Walk, Persistent? To what degree (in Hurst) and how does it differ between various time frames?

Why would that question have earned me the most?

So let me paraphrase...

"Hi my name's Maria - I'd like you all to trade in the opposite direction that I am please. This way I can make the most profit.

Seeing as my posts on the forum have been transparent thus far, it would be far easier for me if you wouldn't mind installing software on your systems that will trade in the opposite direction automatically for me.

My algorithm trades normally as expected earning me commissions but when a specific and unique sequence of trades is made in 4 weeks, my algorithm will dump all your coins and I shall buy them all at firesale prices.

Any questions? (Please no questions about my past, potentially manipulative posts which might throw some credibility on this thread as these are all off-topic) No? Then let's begin.

Please go ahead and install my compiled (so you can't see what it will do) algorithm."

As the wise philosopher Cartman once said, "Would you mind loaning me some of your lipstick Maria? Because I want to at least look pretty when you decide to f*ck me."

All you all have done so far is throw blind accusations at Maria without much more than scuttlebutt and rumors.

This "trust no one" mantra has gotten a little to extreme.

With that said, I'd like more information about the "code" Maria has generously offered us. Would someone who understands programming code please look into that for us?

Don't think you can. It's specific to the trading application.

There's no reason not to give a person the benefit of the doubt... if they're being upfront and transparent.

No one's stopping you from giving Maria the benefit of the doubt despite her unwillingness to answer questions and to explain her previous behaviour.

I'm all for giving someone the benefit of the doubt but of all the situations to be cautious, where bitcoins are involved it's always worth checking every last detail.

Good luck.

MTGOX-BTC-SWH2T-X2ZZP-7SLGS-27F46

You havent told any secrets.
You try to push your executable code, which is something different entirely.
If you want to tell us your secret then post the source.

I have an excellent question: why do you post a MtGox redeemable code in the forum?

http://www.myfxbook.com/widgets/161948/large.jpg (http://www.myfxbook.com/members/MariaBTC/maria/161948)

I will let this run here for 4 weeks. Questions are welcome. Thanks.

Maria.

Nothing is guaranteed.

Do you actually have a version of MT4 that trades with bitcoin exchanges?

I know how to program in MQL4 (very C-like).

Done lots of trading with MT4.

Yes, is it like C. Maybe you can help us syncing MTGox API with MT4.

Here is a link from someone who got it running under FXCM platform so It should be possible.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=10736.0

Maria.

So if the mtgox api isn't yet implemented how are your claims legit?

Read the post. You should PAY ME 0.5 BTC for asking that question.

Maria.

Maria,

My question is:

All you've done is simply set up a bot to buy/sell at different margins and intervals, is that correct?

And you can expect to make 30% like you have here so far?

This really seems a little too good to be true. Which might be why you're getting so many trolls.

Yes, and I understand the trolls POV as well. My target here is the educated trader who understands the mechanics of forex trading, but has not figured out a way to make money consistently which is 95% of the people. The profits made are paid via Liberty Reserve and those can be converted easily into BTC.

Thank you!

Assuming we get an MtGox / TH / RandomBTC-Ex API implemented, is there a way to filter out anomalies in the data from those exchanges? So far we've seen several weird things happen at MtGox and I'd hate to (automatically or not) be pushed into some actions because some anomaly in the data triggers stuff.

awwww how cute  :D

What commodities / metals / stocks/ does your program trade?

I have looked into that forex website you suggested using, and it seems there are many options. Are some more profitable than others? (obviously the answer is yes) Which ones should we use?

Last, what's the minimum suggested investment into something like this?

It can trade any commodity or any currency pair. I trade the GBP/JPY because of the daily price swings which are wider than the EUR/USD or EUR/JPY. 1000 LR is the minimum recommended.

Great let's rape and steal from an already crippled anemic economy! Is this really the type of stuff that the early adopters in this community should be teaching? How about you get on the development board Maria, and teach us how to build some products that revolve around Bitcoin, instead of sending even more bot's and pump & dumpers to destroy our economy.

Why teach us how to make money if you already know how to do it. Just exploit your findings and make a truck load and forget us peons.

so...wait...you're just forex trading and converting profits to bitcoin? why combine the risk?

forex trading is pretty risky as is...and downright dangerous if you trade with margin. one big spike and youll get a margin call and have your account wiped instantly. bitcoin is too risky to even be considered a real investment, so combining the two seems like an easy way to loose a whole lot of money really quickly.

I second Cosbycoin.
Why are you even doing this?

Note: The system has been running for 7 days since September 09, 2011. It already reached 16% profit. My profit goal was reached in only 1 week vs the 4 week period.

Any questions?

Maria,

How comes a seasoned professional of algorithmic trading like you can misspell "Algorithm"?

I do it on purpose so people like you can get annoyed and post about it. Thanks.

Besides the typo, did you get to see the money making part which is the highlight of the thread?

Maria.

from the other thread:



ok. i asked a perfectly reasonable question (two if you want to get technical). you didnt answer the question or send me bitcoins.

Do you see how to an outside observer this might look exactly like a Ponzi scheme?

Guys, the questions must be "smart and relevant" and some questions just don't fit the profile. keep trying. The topic is forex trading with brokers that accept liberty reserve.

If it looks like a ponzi scheme to you then please do more research on forex.

Remember: Smart and relevant.

Please forgive my stupid irrelevance. :) You're saying we should participate in your proprietary investment plan, which has excellent initial returns. But we don't know exactly what your program does, and all questions regarding your identity and previous claims are off-topic.

I appreciate the research advice, but I'm not doubting anything you are saying about forex itself. I'm doubting you personally. I really don't want this to come across as a personal attack, you seem nice, but anyone making claims like these should be subject to the same scrutiny.

Who the fuck cares who I am or what I do? If you know what I am talking about, and you understand forex, then you know this is Gold. It is math and numbers. Profits from software. Its simple, but if you do not get it, then this simply is not for you. So the questions I am looking for are not "who I am questions, or what do I think questions". I want questions regarding the system itself, any forex/bitcoin/liberty reserve question is fine.

The topic is...Let me teach you how to make money..so the questions should gravitate around that main idea.

This is getting childish and I am about to change my mind regarding my offer. Maybe you guys simply don't want to make money. Fine.

Maria.

Last Update:
http://i55.tinypic.com/k9hqjb.png

The system reached and passed the goal. It was intended to run for 4 weeks but the 20% expected profit was reached in only 1 week. Questions are still welcome!

starting balance: 1000.00
ending  balance:  1220.65
Time: 1 week

Maria.

so you made 7 bad trades, totaling to $430 worth of losses

you made 14 good trades equalling $660 in profits.



not a great win ratio. it seems like you are making seriously risky trades if 1/3 are ending in losses.

 you seem to be happy that you are up 20%, but that 20% would be lost with just one of your bad trades (all it takes is a few pips of movement away from your position).




....and for the record, my question about the amount of risk your plan has was both smart and valid....

No sir, no bad trades. The trades you see as "loses" are the trades I closed that were open at the time I decided to stop the system. I decided to stop the system because the profit was reached...this is the type of question I want my friend and I thank you for that.

Anyone who runs your executable should care who you are. I don't have questions about the system itself because the only question that matters - "how does it work?" - is deliberately kept secret. Every question about trust, which is critical for anonymous business, has been either dismissed or met with insults.

My friend, I am trying the best I can to show and explain how it works. I will NOT disclose on a public forum the secret of the trade, but, if you look at it and you follow what it does, believe me, its obvious.

It trades for you...builds profit...closes trades.

If you are really interested, set up a DEMO, like I said before, and I will walk with you by the hand explaining exactly what it does.

But in short, it makes money. How? Who gives a fuck. Its there, 20% each month. I can prove it over and over and I can even make higher profits than 20%.

If you like money, follow me.

Maria. Money Lover

I've got two questions

Why 1000? Is it not profitable below that due to fees?

Why do we need to send you our account number?

does this mean you going to send me the bounty/token amount of btc mentioned in the other thread?

This looks interesting, and from my very very very quick read through, it looks like the only gains made by Maria are the affiliate link and a good deed. If this is any good, I could have done with it a few months ago. All my funds are currently tied up, and I won't have any free for at least a few months. I only work/exist in the black. Credit is for mugs :)

I'll do some proper research into this before going into it, starting tomorrow. For now the work day has ended, and the chill night has started :)

any news on  integrate MTGox API into MT4?

Maria, a few relevant questions for you if you insist:
- Is your algorithm a market manipulation scheme to pump the value in one direction artificially over a period of 4 weeks?
- Are you targetting Liberty Reserve because it is a small market and is therefore easier to manipulate?
- Is the "return" calculated based on how much money it would make by unwinding the position now but not quite unwinding it?
- Do you plan to be the first one to close the position?
- Does your algorithm contain any logic to close the position of other people at all after you are done with your own trades?
- Why would you bother addind unwinding logic, you will be far by the time people understand all what your algo was doing was generating a bubble.
- What about people using your algorithm for a few weeks to benefit the pumping effect and closing their position manually at a random time before the target?
- What about calling that "algorithmic Ponzi"?
- Are you going to hold your promise and pay me a bounty for each of these precise and targetted questions? 

Forex is a dangerous investment especially with its leverage of 200-500x.  There is no sure way of making money.  It is better to mine bitcoin on a Pentium 4 CPU then to invest your money in Forex if you are not a professional. BTW even most professionals do lose money often too often.

That's an even more unlikely claim than Madoff's 10%, and we all know where that went. Buyer beware...

It "may" make money in the short term but in the long term most margins are busted due to the fluctuations of the forex pairs.  This is especially so after QE II where the forex exchange are fluctuating by hundreds of not thousands of pips in a single session.

Some input by others who are trying this out would be useful.

Reading through this thread I noticed the mention of demo accounts, but it was not clear as to whether or not we can use them to try this system out.

Maria, can we use a demo account to test this system ?

If we can then I'll run it for a few months, as it won't be till then, before I have any available funds :)

Yes sir.

Also, my broker just launched a special promotion NO DEPOSIT REQUIRED:


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What I love is how she keeps rhetorically asking "who cares?" after several of us explained why we care.

BEWARE THIS SCAM. SHE WILL DELIVER GREAT PROFITS, GET YOU TO INVEST MORE, AND THEN SHE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR PREDICTABLE BEHAVIOR.

Ignorance should be a sin.

May God bless your soul.

Maria.

I'm still ignorant about those huge buy orders you previously posted about. Since you're willing to go off topic to pontificate, why not cleanse me of that sin, your holiness?

Dude, those huge buy orders have nothing to do with this topic. Is it so hard to understand?

This thread is to discuss the EA automatic trading system used with metatrader. Nothing else.

Are you what people call a troll? you seem and feel like one.

Maria.

If the information your provide is false in one thread, how are we to trust you in this thread?

Sure, we could trust the numbers you provide, but you are the weak link in the trust-chain.

Address this please

johnj

Question: What´s the average duration of your EA's positions?



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Because ME, I, Myself, is not important or relevant to the performance of the system. What I think or What I do or say has nothing to do at all with the program and its functions.

I can DIE tomorrow, and if a few of you get the program and use it properly then you will continue to make money on your own without me. I am not the weak link in the trust chain. There is no trust chain. Its a program that works on your computer and it doesnt care about me or you.

On the good side:

A few members have contacted me privately and have already set up their demo accounts. I am currently out of the office but as soon as I return I will configure and send you the program. thanks again.

I'm sorry, as long as you keep side-stepping the issue, I'm not going to be able to trust you or the service you're advocating.
Good luck with your future endeavors.

No problem. Good luck to you too.

I've got a free day today, so I'll sort out getting this demo account thing set up.

Maria, can this system run on a computer that is being used for other things (mining, gaming, graphics work, programming, etc), or does it need to be set up on a dedicated machine ?

I was considering installing it on one of my miners (GPU mining).

I'll bump my questions until you answer them.
So better answer now if you don't want to have this all over the place.

Demo account set up... PM sent... let the testing commence

Maria, I presume that seeing as Liberty Reserve is just a means of transferring funds, we do not need to use them ?
I much prefer to do a bank transfer.

Got your info. I will configure and send you the EA shortly. Thanks.

Correct about liberty reserve, but the point was to grow your liberty reserve balance so you can then buy bitcoins easily via mtgox.

No sir.

Is your offer still up? I got some more questions.

Okay, that sounds good. I tend to trade on Britcoin these days, being in the UK, but I have a very healthy balance on my MTGox account, just waiting to pounce. No harm in boosting that via LR every so often.

That is exactly the point of this thread. You hit it right on the head.

Thanks for answering

What was your question?

My first question was about the duration of your positions, minutes, days?
The next one, as I didn´t get my cent, is if you are still giving away 0,01BTC for each smart relevant question.
Thanks
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The positions stay open sometimes for days... they actually never close until the profit is reached. Each position has a profit target.

About the BTC, ill send you a MTGOX code via PM.

Thanks for the cent, another question if you don´t mind, what´s the advantage of using your EA to trade LR? ie: does it not trade well in USD?

Hey Maria!

I want to learn how to make money! I do have a few questions though. Hopefully these haven't been covered already:

- Is your algorithm a market manipulation scheme to pump the value in one direction artificially over a period of 4 weeks?
- Are you targetting Liberty Reserve because it is a small market and is therefore easier to manipulate?
- Is the "return" calculated based on how much money it would make by unwinding the position now but not quite unwinding it?
- Do you plan to be the first one to close the position?
- Does your algorithm contain any logic to close the position of other people at all after you are done with your own trades?
- Why would you bother addind unwinding logic, you will be far by the time people understand all what your algo was doing was generating a bubble.
- What about people using your algorithm for a few weeks to benefit the pumping effect and closing their position manually at a random time before the target?
- What about calling that "algorithmic Ponzi"?
- Are you going to hold your promise and pay me a bounty for each of these precise and targetted questions? 

LR = USD. Same thing.

Ahahahaha...you're fucking joking, right? I better get paid for that question.

UPDATE:

I started the EA again on the same account to grow the balance from 1,200 to 1,400 in 4 weeks.

I also want to thank those of you who requested the EA and already downloaded MT4. The EA is ready for those who sent me a PM with their account number and myfxbook.com link.

Maria.

I really hope this is some psychology student's experiment about human greed and how it trounces logic right out the window.

You win bro.

Does that mean the other thread announcing payout ammounts for good questions is the control group?

Update:

For those who already installed and configured the EA, please post your myfxbook.com link.

Also, DO NOT increase the LOT SIZE of the EA.

for a 1000 Deposit the suggested lot size is 0.01

What´s your preferred risk/reward ratio?

When you put your money into forex, you agree to risk 100% of your deposit.

The reward is 10% to 20% a month depending on market conditions.

So I risk 100% every month expecting  a 20% profit in return.

Probably a silly question, but is $1000 the exact amount we should put in, obviously no less, but also no more ?

No less. More is fine but as a realistic starting capital 1000 is fine.

Phew, as I had setup my demo acc with 5k. All ready and waiting :)

I presume the computer running this does not need to be on during the time the FOREX market is closed, Fri 22:00 GMT to Sun 22:00 GMT ?

A good time for some PC housekeeping and computer RnR :)

Update:

The balance is now 1,343.37

The system was started on September 9th, 2011.

That is 34% profit in 2 weeks.

I will restart the system a third time to try to reach 1,500.00

I know this is fairly meaningless since my system has not even been running for 1 day, but I thought it might be of some interest, just to see another set up in action, even though probably not configured properly... eek

I've had this running since the opening of the Markets yesterday @ 5pm EST

NOTE, my setup has not been okeyed by Maria. I just set it up as per my knowledge gained from reading up on Metatrader, so it could be incorrectly configured.

When I woke up this morning, after about 10 hours of the Markets being open, the system was down by over $9, now it has gained 3 of those dollars and therefore down by just over $6

http://www.internetmarketier.com/forex/Day%201%20of%20MariaBTC%20EA%20-%2026%2009%202011%20-%2008%2006GMT.jpg

My starting balance is $5k (Demo account)
Lot size: 0.05
And as you can see from the above image of the Metatrader platform, I have attached Maria's EA to the currency pairs:
EUR/USD, GBP/USD, USD/CHF, and USD/JPY

MyFZBook link: https://www.myfxbook.com/portfolio/mt4-1053068/167108
This is not updating at the moment, I think it is set to just once per day. I'll have a look on the site to see if I can change this, somehow.

Now to wait for the slap by Maria :)

Maria why do you stop it? Why not just let it run for 4 weeks like you said?

You are doing it WRONG.

Please stop the EA and close all positions. Then, contact me and please, let me help you with the set up. You will lose ALL of your money if you DO NOT use this system properly. Thanks Chuck!!

eek, ok

PM sent with join.me link :)

Thanks Maria,

Yep, well and truly chastised by Maria. Bad bad me :)

System correctly configured and now up and running. Now to put all that information into some sort of legible format.

Updates to follow :)

Love to see evidence of sustained earnings through the EA.

Great question. By "stopping" it, what I am really doing is locking in a certain amount of profit. I have "stopped" the system 2 times so far. Every time I "Stop", I lock in a certain amount of profit, therefore, I only "Stop" the system when and only my profit target is reached.

After I "Stop", I always give it a 48 to 72 hrs resting time. During this time, I evaluate what do I want to do with my gained profits. In most cases I withdrawal, but I also like to build the balance so I can afford to buy bigger lots.

Why didn't you ever answer these questions?

If this system 'can't lose', why would you ever withdraw your earnings from it? Seems a foolish move for someone with so much confidence in their method.

No offense sir, but that is the most stupidest question I have read so far. Are you asking me why withdrawal? Are you serious?

Please elaborate on your point, the idea of the system is to take money OUT of it.

If your 'take' is proportional to your investment, why not reinvest all earnings since it is such a 'sure thing'? If this is the "most stupidest" question you have read so far, I am pretty surprised. I am only asking why you lack confidence in that which you are telling us to blindly trust.

Rather than 'stopping' the system and starting at $1000 over and over again, why not wager the larger amount? I mean, you can't lose, right?

Some free advice: Don't start a thread asking for questions then insult the very people asking them. He had a reasonable question and you could have just responded with what you already wrote:

"After I "Stop"...I evaluate what do I want to do with my gained profits. In most cases I withdrawal, but I also like to build the balance so I can afford to buy bigger lots."

Fucking trolls man get on my nerves lol. I cant tell who is who anymore. It is a stupid question, period. If you decide to take your profits and Re-invest them in the system over and over you can. Its up to you, but if you never cash out, its like going to the casino and winning, taking your profits and gamble those and win again, then take those profits and gamble again...its your own personal choice. I like my money in my hand, not in my brokers.

I do not stop and restart at 1000.00. I stop and restart where it left off.

Yeah, this forums is full of clever trolls and paranoia is high. Personally, I'm still on the fence if you are one.

That aside, I agree it would make sense to take your money out eventually.

Although I'm a newbie with no economics degree, so what the fuck do I know?   :D :D :D

I'm going to have a go at answering a few of these. Sorry, I'm a busybody.... does that word exist ??


- Is your algorithm a market manipulation scheme to pump the value in one direction artificially over a period of 4 weeks?
That would take a HELL of a lot of funds, so therefore it can't be, considering the current state of this system (not enough people/funds). I don't even think that traders at our level can affect the currency values. I could be wrong, I am very new to this.

- Are you targetting Liberty Reserve because it is a small market and is therefore easier to manipulate?
Liberty reserve is only a means to transfer funds.
How would you manipulate Liberty Reserve ? notepad in hand... could be an earner :)
Actually, don't answer that. Liberty Reserve sounds like it's American. I'm not up for peeing off the US Feds or secret service.

- What about people using your algorithm for a few weeks to benefit the pumping effect and closing their position manually at a random time before the target?
there's no pumping effect... re answer to first question
But the way I understand this to work, anyone can stop and leave when they make their money, or any time in fact.

- What about calling that "algorithmic Ponzi"?
LOL, hmm, no
Maria never touches the funds
the funds only ever travel between the exchange and your bank or other means of fund transfer, e.g. Liberty reserve.


That's all I can answer for now. I do not know enough about the inner workings to be able to answer the other questions. Actually, I know nothing of the inner workings.

I'm totally new to this, and at the moment just testing it out :)

I'll post my findings in as much detail as I can, as time progresses. With a decent level of proof. I need to get that damn MyFXBook working... damn thing does not want to play ball. Nevermind, that's for tomorrow. For now, a good film and a glass or two of red :)

Update:
https://i.imgur.com/ZCriL.png

This is the 2nd time I have stopped the system. The 3rd time I stop it the balance should be around 1,500.00

Thank you for taking the time to try and answer these questions  :)

How does this 'lock in' that certain amount of profit?


If your win at the casino is guaranteed, as you imply with your system, you'd be a fool not to let it ride. Of course you need to cash out eventually, but not while you are still raking in ponzi-sized returns.

3rd Time:

I am starting the system again. This would be the 3rd time I run the system.

Starting Balance: 1343.37

Target balance : 1500.00

http://www.myfxbook.com/custom-widget?id=161948&width=800&height=400&bart=1&symbol=GBPJPY&linet=0&bgColor=FFFFFF&gridColor=BDBDBD&lineColor=FF0505&barColor=FFADAD&bar1Color=FFADAD&fontColor=525252&title=maria&titles=20&chartbgc=FFFFFF (http://www.myfxbook.com/members/MariaBTC/maria/161948)

Trading is for champions.

Maria.

I read this whole forum.I found 2 things very strongly put here :

1)People are skeptical .

2) 1000 $ is required.

@Maria and people :
I have also developed a trading method which is currently being run manually.The profit is not as large as Maria's but the draw-down is less.You can check my record on my thread

http://tivr.in/rpt/1mon.gif

15.44 % profit in 1 month . Details  (http://tivr.in/rpt/1mon.htm)

You can check out my daily trading records at  http://tivr.in (http://tivr.in)

I am not hiding my strategy fully but here is a brief summary :

My strategy is centered on inflection point in the forex-chart, which is supported by positive signals in charts of higher periodicity.I use a combination of 4 indicators DMI,Stochastic Fast oscillator, Parabolic Sar and Elliot wave . The positive thing is that there have been no exceptions to the prediction of my strategy (given the market condition is fairly stable).

My strategy is not influenced by any other strategies,I made my own strategy based on charts of netdania (http://netdania.com/Products/live-streaming-currency-exchange-rates/real-time-forex-charts/FinanceChart.aspx?m=c).

I have an answer to widely asked question in this thread -> "Why don't maria discloses here algorithm or strategy ?"
Even if it is assumed that a strategy is highly efficient,when large number of people use the same technique.The answer is clear, its effectiveness will decrease and this decrease will be proportional to the percentage of people using the same idea in the whole forex market.  

And lastly, forex is risky, one spike can make you nil unless you create only limit positions, with a defined stop-loss .  

Cool, I just learnt something there :)


And finally, I have linked Metatrader to my MyFXBook account. I had the account numbers round the wrong way in MetaTrader - Tools -Options - Publisher  !!!

https://www.myfxbook.com/portfolio/forex-metal/169580

Although it says I started out with a balance of $5k, I am afraid I blew $215 of that messing about with the system before getting it properly configured by Maria.

Starting balance when the system was correctly configured: $4785

One thing I forgot to mention.

Using Zulu-trade (http://zulutrade.com/), you can invest your money in the best performing user of this website or the one who matches your safety criteria.

I made thousands $$$$$$ using Zulutrade as a signal provider, but then, the USA banned hedging. I was no longer able to use their service.

Update:

This is the 3rd time I stop the system:
https://i.imgur.com/lCXmC.png

Now, I will let the system rest for the week and restart the system again on Sunday 8:00 EST.

The next time I stop the system the balance should be around 1700.00

Balance : 1,443.33

Maria.

I must admit, looking good so far. It's nearly recovered the $215 I blew by messing about before the system was correctly configured. Balance pre screwing with system $5k. After screwing with system $4,785 ($215 lost). Now, at time of writing, Balance: $4,980

Not bad at all. Still early days though (very), for me, but looking promising.

My www.myfxbook.com account:
https://www.myfxbook.com/portfolio/forex-metal/169580

Trading week end, Friday and my balance is now at $5078, and equity is $4907, nice :)

http://retrospacehopper.com/downloads/Balance%20at%20end%20of%20week%201%20-%20$5078.jpg

See current state of demo trading account:
https://www.myfxbook.com/portfolio/forex-metal/169580

Anyone else doing this, who can input their results ?

I'm going to see if I can get some of my friends to try this out. Need input from other people, but I would like to have input from people I do not know, other than Maria.

I am thinking to code my strategy on MQL 4 see if it works on real-time.

Good luck my friend.

Maria.

PS. If you want me to program your strategy into an EA compatible with MT4 and MT5 send me PM with the details.

Starting price is 2000 BTC.

Update:

Restarted the system. Balance is 1443.33

Next time I "stop" the system the balance should be around 1700.00

Maria.

I didn't get it... What happens if you don't stop the system? Will you lose money?

I wouldn't mind testing that out, but I guess it's some math/logic that requires the reset. Beyond me :)

Yes that is correct. By stopping it, you lock in profit that is there because the price is at a specific point. If the price goes higher or lower beyond that point then you will start to lose money at the same speed you gained it. That is why stopping the system is so important.

"The expected profit is 15% to 20% in a 4 week timeframe."

This alone should be enough to run away screaming...

Please explain.

Update:

Trying to reach the 1700 mark the system has failed. Balance is 0.00

However, the failure was on the lot size / balance ratio which was heavy on a 1000.00 balance.

Chucksta is still running his demo, lets see how it ends by the end of his 4 weeks. Cheers!!

Maria.

Are you saying you weren't able to salvage any of the funds?  1000->1400->0?

I guess someone should let Butner Federal Correctional Institution know that Bernie has Internet access.

You can't lose!

You know, you might want to remove that [Sticky] request.

Just sayin.

easy to lose everything, as such accounts normally have a 100x or 200x leverage, a breakout can wipe out all easily. 

Check out my failsafe way to win at roulette by owning the wheel!

I don't know if you've been following the thread, but I have been mocking Maria since 'she' showed up with grandiose claims of a failsafe way to make 25% returns in four weeks. You can most definitely lose it. You are basically asking to by participating in this shill's proprietary forex algos.

I don't really understand this. Is my demo losing money at the moment, as the equity is about $360 below the starting balance, and current balance is over $6k

Is the equity funds that are still available to make transactions with ?

Is the balance these available funds plus the value of the current transactions ?

What would happen if I closed all positions now ?

Current state of demo account - click on link in the centre of the screen:
https://www.myfxbook.com/portfolio/forex-metal/169580

Je ne comprend pas.... at all, lol

Looks like I got the meaning of Balance and Equity round the wrong way. Which means the demo account is running at a loss. If that's the case, then...
Why is the graph going up ?
Why does myfxbook say profit of  $1035.34 and a Gain of +20.71% ?


Definition taken from: http://www.forexoma.com/leverage-margin-balance-equity-free-margin-and-margin-level-in-forex-trading/

Awesome. Can we have this blindfolded forex gambling nonsense moved out of the Bitcoin trading forum soon?

That would be great.  Forex is as dangerous and definitely can make you use far more money than Bitcoin can ever.

It definitely pays to test things fully, before taking any risks :)

The demo account which normally gives $50 000 for you to try doesn't really reflect the actual situation, unless you have $50k to play with.  Or else pairs like GBPUSD, EURUSD can suck up all margins in no time.

# $6035.34
# Equity:(76.78%) $4633.93
# Highest: (Oct 13) $6035.34
# Profit: $1035.34
# Interest: -$3.28

Your equity is you real time balance. If you decide to stop the system right now, your ending balance will be 4633.93. This is why stopping the system only when your equity is in profit is the key.

The 1000.00 Demo reached 40% profit in 2 weeks. Then trying to reach 70% profit in 4 weeks it failed. If it was real money, I would probably cashed out the 40% profits.

This time I will set up a REAL account with 1000.00

Maria.

Hindsight is always 20/20 , since you are setting a real $1000 account, how about putting it online and sharing your experiences with us?
For instance
http://www.mt4live.com/

I was/am going to use myfxbook.com but thanks for the alternate choice. I'll look into it but I think the MT4 publishing system only handles 1 set up at a time.

Looked into it and mt4live looks very cheaply designed compared to www.myfxbook.com. I'll pass.

Thank You.

PM sent.

Classes begin NOW:

Tired of living financially stressed? Let's talk.

Should I buy stock in my bank or Bitcoin?

so instead of trying to "scam" with a photo that is NOT you

http://yayyuh.blogspot.hk/2008/06/top-10-most-beautiful-eyes-top-ten.html

how about a real Icon, possibly male to match who you are.

I'm sure it'll be obvious to most people now but I'll point out that anyone who uses a demo account to show how profitable they are is full of shit, always make sure that if you get someone to help you manage money they have actual experience trading live markets and they have actual proof of their profit taking before you give them any money, adding to that, don't give them your account details under any circumstances either.

So as it's been a whole year since your first round of bullshit, you thought you'd give it another spin?

Nice to see a thread mentioning Metatrader4.

I'm holding out for signals on LR vs BTC or other directly held currencies. Brokers can go bust.

Still, fun to play with I'd imagine

Thank You. MT4 is an advanced subject on these forums. I have developed an EA that generates 10% monthly returns safely with little risk. Can be tweaked to achieve higher returns but it also increases the risk.

We have accounts running with brokers that accept ecurrencies such as LR and Perfect Money. Brokers can go bust that is why we keep balances in multiple brokers spread out the globe.

If you like, I can let you try my EA for 3 months. Cheers.

Maria.

I'd like to try that. How do we go about it?

this sounds interesting...

The market opens at 5pm EST so today is a good day to start. All you need to do link your MT4 to myfxbook.com and paste here the results for the trading fans to follow.

Once you have linked your account, I will send you the EA file. Min Balance 1000 USD

Maria Fibonacci.

How about this one.
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/kakobrekla/kv1/435261

Its loaded with ~110 BTC which is more than 1k usd. We can use micro lot (0.01).
(System shows eur, but if you check deposit history, you will see its BTC in the comments)

If when you run MT4 the balance shows 110, then it will not work. It works only on a 1000 min balance of any denomination, so if you want to trade BTC you need 1000 BTC. I suggest you convert them to LR USD. which broker are you using?

Why, can't we use 0.01 lot size?

I really hate to melt my BTC to fiat to use on forex, so we try on a 1000 units demo account and move to 1000 BTC account after a month if results are satisfactory?

https://i.imgur.com/V20Ib.gif (http://imgur.com/V20Ib)

Indeed we will be using micro lots 0.01. We can do the 1000 demo. Let me know when you link your account.

just want you to check the EA performance which i have written based ichimoku Indicator.



Download Expert Advisors (http://sipendr.zxq.net/experts.7z)

1. ichi_test.ex4  is based on crossing over of tenkan sen and kinjun sen of ichimoku indicator.

2. komu.ex4 is based on opening of trade on komu cloud transitions.

Please dont test with real money  ;D

Sorry for the delay, been terribly busy.

Heres a 1000 units demo account mt4 instance waiting to give your EA a go.

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/kakobrekla/mariademo/446935

Perfect! I will send you via PM the EA shortly. Cheers

Maria delivered EA.

I made a small error (or myfxbook has a bug) at first, so heres link again to fresh account which is running the EA.

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/kakobrekla/maria-demo/448133

UPDATE:

Balance: 5143
 
Equity: 5048

That is 5% profit in 2 weeks, our goal is 10% in 4 weeks.

Maria.

Lol and you think that is good!!!!
http://www.aastocks.com/en/ltp/rtquote.aspx?symbol=00886 (http://www.aastocks.com/en/ltp/rtquote.aspx?symbol=00886)

and last week
http://www.aastocks.com/en/ltp/rtquote.aspx?symbol=00388 (http://www.aastocks.com/en/ltp/rtquote.aspx?symbol=00388)

UPDATE:

Balance: 5183

Equity: 5083
(This number is your realtime balance, once it reaches 100 you must do the reset to lock in the profit)

We are almost at the goal with 2 more weeks to go.

Important Kakobrekla: You must lock in the profit once it is reached by performing what I call "The Reset"

Reset = Turn Off EA, then delete ALL Open and Pending Orders.

Great Job Kakobrekla

Maria.

UPDATE:

Balance: 5100.27

Equity:5098.99

Goal reached! The system performed the reset automatically and locked in 100.00 profit.

10% reached in 2 weeks (holidays included)

Cheers.

Maria.

Hey,

indeed it survived a month. I dunno if you placed a time limit or something in the EA, if not I will keep running it on the same account if that is ok with you. I did make a few backtests for some years back, well, the results are what one would expect from a grid with a finitive trading balance. Perhaps I'll fiddle with the settings a bit.

Edit: To be clear to anyone who is reading, 10% would be if the balance would be as it 'should' be - 1k. Its 5k, so percentage is changed accordingly as well as the risk of ruin! According to my backtests so far, 1k is not enough on the longer run.

First, it is not a grid system even if it might look like one, if anything its a smart grid.

Second thing is that 1000.00 is more than enough to start safely. (But the higher the balance, the better)

Back-testing will ALWAYS fail because the test does not know or take into consideration the "Reset". The reset is what makes the system work and the back test does not apply it.

To prove further, your back test chart should have looked like a straight almost 45 deg angle line all the way up till one big collapse. The system does not work like that. A chart of my system well applied looks more like a Saw where each tip of the saw is a "Reset". Hope I did not confuse you.

Last, the system will keep running until Jan, 26 i believe. Feel free to use till then. Cheers.

Maria.

Ok, so its a smart grid. Can you please elaborate the smartness? TP is fixed at 150 pips, lot size doesn't change, can you tell me more about it before I start deeper analysis. It would make it easier for me to 'get it'.

Hm, I'm not sure I understand why will the backtesting fails. If it makes 10% a month and blows once per year, you are just back on start. I know that backtests results should be taken with reserve, but one should expect even less fortunate situation is able to happen, don't you agree?

I will keep it running then. Don't get me wrong, understand my skepticism, performances of grid-related systems in a trendy markets are common knowledge.

The next reset will occur when the equity reaches 5200.

I can explain in more detail via Skype but I only do so with my VIP friends such as Charlie Shrem from www.bitinstant.com

Back on the money, I am positive that my EA will work on smaller deposits, even as small as 100.00 in which case, it will double your deposit in 4 weeks, however, the risk of losing the 100 is high.

I understand your skepticism and Ill try to answer any question as as move along buy please understand that, like Coca Cola, we have a formula. Ill gladly let you drink all you want, just please, do not ask me how we make the drink. Enjoy!

Maria.

Hey Maria,

I don't know what this thread is all about and its 13 pages so Im not interested.

Please do not use my name or my company name in any threads to help promote your legitimacy.

I cannot attest to the legitimacy of this venture nor do I even know what it is.

Please redact my involvement in this.

Charlie

Here is my account configured to DOUBLE the amount, in this case 1000.00.

The Goal is to reach 2000 in 4 weeks:

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/mariadouble/double-4-weeks/458070

VenetFX seems pretty good but I am concerned about the BTC deposits held by kakobrekla. Can you elaborate some more on what happens with my 10,000 BTC Deposit if you pass away? I can think of many other scenarios but in general how and why you handle my bitcoins?

Maria.

UPDATE:

Balance: 1503

Equity: 1230 (That is 23% profit in 2 days)

1000.00 Is plenty to start even in a high risk scenario such as this one.

I was curious about you kakobrekla regarding the bitcoin deposits and after concluded my research, I believe you and I can work together $$$. I might share the recipe for you.
 
Maria.

Just out of curiosity, I tried coding up a grid system EA. It's not hard to setup the "reset", just check for movement in account equity or profit and close all orders when it hits a preset level. After trying dozens of different combinations of grid sizes, take profit sizes, currencies, etc, I determined that it's just not consistently profitable.

Now, in all of my silliness (and after losing 150 BTC on it already), I have a modified martingale system that I am is convinced is reliably profitable. The account blewout because the currency pair had a much larger movement than it's seen for quite sometime, and I was skimping and put in fewer-than-safely-needed to give it a run. Thankfully in a "real" account, the system has already recovered from the BTC losses.

Anyway, it seems your account has failed Maria? http://www.myfxbook.com/members/mariadouble/double-4-weeks/458070 (http://www.myfxbook.com/members/mariadouble/double-4-weeks/458070)

This is a so called martingale trading system which creates the illusion to be "working" for some time before losing all equity in one big trade :-)

Basically its betting 0.01 in a random direction (the smallest position size possible on a real ECN platform is 0.1. 0.01 is only offered by market makers who hedge the positions against the bets of other trader). In case of a losing trade it bets 0.02 lots (or 2 x 0.01 to cover its workings), 0.04 lots etc... when a position wins the system restarts from 0.01.

Basically the chance of winning the n-th trade is

Trade Number ----- Chance of winning ------ Cumulated lotsize 0.5
1                            0.5                             0.01
2                            0.75                            0.02
3                            0.875                          0.04
4                            0.9375                        0.08

You can compare this strategy with a series of coin tosses where you win if you come up "Heads" a single time in a series. But here is the catch: For every round you have to double your initial bet. Would you really want to play this game? Only if you had infinite funds! :-)

Ofc its a zero sum game.

The pitfall in systems like these is that for a long time the equity curve looks like a safe, slow and steady winner. But in the unlikely event of the system failing it will lose all invested funds in a single trade. So the system quickly "overtrades" and therefore invests much more on a single outcome of a trade than any real world investor would.

This is also why these guys invest 0.01 (which is nothing) with an account size of 5000 :-) They are aware of the crazy risk and want to be sure to have lots of buffer cash to lose to prevent virtual margin calls :-)

If you want to find out more about this type of system please feel free to check wikipedia [1]

Ofc the system-writer will argue to have a "working" system but in this case he or she would not hang out in a forum like this but would make millions instead. Just 10% per month with 10.000 starting capital would make yourself a millionaire in a little bit more than 4 years. Would you really discuss such a thing in public if you had it? Rarely! :-))

[1] = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)

Cool service, thanks.

Again, I am here trying to help you break your financial chains.

Questions are welcome.

FREE 100 USD Bonus Deposit.

Let's get to work.

Maria.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41793.msg1445377#msg1445377

Isn't it illegal to use Metatrader for trading BTC? Mt4 is free for the customers of a certain broker, and it should be used only for trading with Mt4- affiliated brokers..

FFFUUU

The broker we will use is www.forexmetal.com

They accept bitcoin and use MT4 for trading.

Also, Debit card for easy withdrawals.

And, Free VPS.

Cant ask for more.

Maria.

Can we trade on the real market or does they offer only a derivate market?

The whole thing is comical, if you understand how big the forex market is and how stupid it would be to give away any working automated trading system, even at any price.

Let me help connect a few dots.

I am a millionaire, before bitcoin existed.

I happen to also be a wealthy bitcoin holder. Why and how? I started mining bitcoin April 2009. Do the math.

I am here sharing this secret with this community only because I think you are intelligent enough to understand the system in the first place. Apparently that is not the case.

2 years after the first post and still searching.

Its not a martingale.

I am not giving away anything. This is a private invitation to join a very select club.

Maria.

Can someone who has used this / is using software please post some feedback about how it performs?

Thank you

To spare you the trouble you are supposed to run a proprietary Metatrader 4 image of which you get no information what it contains. And Maria insists on giving you a step by step by step instruction of what you have to do, as if you were a Computer illiterate.

Interesting. Makes me wonder why not... every supplemental software to MT4 works without a proprietary image....


Makes me wonder if Maria will run off with my money and I will be left staring at an avatar of a girl that is obviously a stock photo off the internet.

It's not a MT4 installation but a compiled "expert advisor" image you load your Metatrader with. I reckon it might be safe to use it, but then what are the motives, needless to say it's fishy to run any software which doesn't contain any information on what it is supposed to do. Perhaps an exploit to to break out of the MT4 vm and infect the users PC? Who knows. The one thing I am fairly certain of is that this doesn't make you any money and wastes your time, at best. Occams Razor says it is.

Marias avatar and "her" story is something else, "she" is also responsible for Bytecoin, is supposedly made in cooperation with satoshi himself and a few months ago there was something about an alleged 10k BTC Maria wanted to sell. My guess is this is a sockpuppet account of somebody on the forum.

My motives are clear from the beginning. Money.

How do I make money?

2 ways. The first one is by commissions paid from my broker for each trade you close. Yes.

The other way I make money is by splitting the profits you will make using my software by 80/20.

80% for you, 20% for me.

Let me know when you are ready to start.

Maria.

How are the losses split?

Maria, you really need to make a website that outlines your program.

Everything you have posted is too "touch and go" for anyone to take seriously.

You are motivated by money? So are we, so at least make the effort of a decent website that explains everything.

Everything has risk. To claim 20% monthly returns Guaranteed is ridiculous as well as a lie.

Just do the compounding 20% each month. In several years you are a trillionaire. Not going to happen.

 :D

Edit: Anyone who CAN make 20% returns consistently does not need to share it with anyone. To do so is contradictory. You should have enough money to not need commission payments etc if your claim is true, which it now can't be just from simple logic.

We are OTC trading with a broker in Panama.

OTC means that your orders do not trade the real market. Therefore, any gains or losses are absorbed by the broker themselves.

This means that, my bfoker and all other OTC brokers have limited funds.

This fact makes me keep my deposits at check with brokers in case they vanish at one point.

So it will be impossible for me to reach a trillion dollars because:

1- Only trust your forex btoker with any amount of money you are willing to lose any average day.

This amount for me is below 100k per trusted broker.

2- I do not wish my broker to go bankrupt.

This trading secret is only to supplement your main source of income, not to replace it.

This is NOT a get rich quick scheme.

Maria.

This is classic. Why would someone who opts into an anti-establishment trust-free banking system want to trust you just because you're rich? You didn't even know how to sign a message when we first asked for proof that you owned a copy of an old key, and we can't verify that you're a USD millionare without your dox

Stupid stupid stupid.

A millionaire knows how to make 20% compounding gains every month?

This millionaire does not talk, not now, not ever.

If "Maria" has $1,000,000 her 20% gains compound to about $80,000,000 in 2 years and $56,000,000,000 in 5 years.

Why is she wasting time on this forum? 20% monthly gains will eventually outpace even Bitcoins own growth taking into account the most optimistic projections.

Maybe she wants to be a benevolent benefactor? Some how I doubt it very much though.

I think I can add some clarity to this.

I am astronaut, before bitcoin existed.

I happen to also be a poor bitcoin holder. How? I started mining 2 months ago. Do the math.

I am clearing this secret up because I saw Maria's spaceship touch down in area 51. We thought the ship contained intelligent life. When she left her stasis pod all she talked about was her rich prince cousin imprisoned in Nigeria.

That was 3 years ago.

She gave me a pamphlet to join her club and then politely excused herself, stating that the red balloons were coming over to her house and they were going to read her a story.

I'm in. Where do I send the money to?

Is there anyone except Maria who tried it out and it worked?

Anybody at home?? Maria??

 ???

This issue wasnt addressed either.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41793.msg1445377#msg1445377
Looks like the usual hit and run.

Maria,

You caught our attention with both the wisdom of your posts and the beauty of your avatar. With reference and hopefully with relevance to these I would like to apply for BTC 0.01 by asking more than just one question:

1. How do you size positions (what criteria for position sizing are used in your EA's formula)?
2. How many conditions must be detected by your EA before a SL is triggered?
3. What conditions are being taken into account in your EA for a  TP calculation?
4. Is it you on the picture?
5. If yes, do you have a boyfriend or a girlfriend?
6. If yes, do you by any chance happen to be poly-amorous?

 do "The Secret" -- visualizing millions of Bitcoins just pouring into your wallet, thanks to Maria

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try it, and share your experience

Is this real?

Of course! But who wants 20%, buy bitcoin FTW!

I dont see any reputable people saying this is real.

I wouldn't trust maria at all, check out the links below.

Checkout this link, quick up, but even quicker down:
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/mariadouble/double-4-weeks/458070

Good eye.


Maria, why so quiet? :)

Maybe, maybe not. You might of unloaded/lost them ages ago. Maybe even just mined a few and got bored or mined tons, then formatted your harddrive.

Can you tell us a little about what we're looking at? It seems reasonably obvious but a clear explanation would help any confusion.

What you see is a blown demo account from so called grid system, which can look like a low risk system because of the low volatility of the equity curve,
 until some event on the market wipes out the account. It happens every time. Stay away.

I was expecting more from you kakobrekla.

The demo account was bust because I was trying to DOUBLE my account in 4 weeks just to show the dynamics of the EA. This is why 20% in 4 weeks is much reasonable but 200% is possible with a decent amount of risk.

Why are people so afraid to try a demo? its just MT4 and a simple EA sponsored by the oldest bitcoin miner. If I was you guys i would be trolling less and paying closer attention to the details.

Lets start making this money.

Maria

"to try a demo" - should I have opened account with LR deposited, or is any demoaccount for MT enough to test this out, just like you write?

LR unfortunately is no longer in operations.

Any forex broker, that uses MT4 and is not USA compliant should work.

Open an account with your favorite broker with a starting balance of 1000

Cheers.

Maria.

I have demoaccount with 1M outside US, isn't it enough? :)

1M = 1 Million?

if yes, then create a new demo account with 1K = 1000 Balance.

yep, 1M = 1 Million CZK (that's exactly $52 673). I can't chose initial amount of money under any broker :(. But I can try to "trade them" to $1000 left :).

yes you can. when you open a demo account within the MT4 platform, there is a dropdown box that says balance. you can manually type in 1000 in there.

The idea is to show the system working under a realistic new account deposit. Let me know if you need my assistance with this.

Maria.

Well, I cant see it anywhere, see screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/40citeykfiqsak2/MT.PNG

Like we said, because it requires trusting an anonymous person's closed source. We wouldn't even trust Satoshi like this.

Finally, you say something true.

Not just any old girl off the internet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aishwarya_Rai_Bachchan

Cheers,

Maria, what if one were to begin with a much lower investment of say 10 BTC?

She is talking USD, not BTC.

If you want a increase your USD holdings by 20% per month, I suggest buying and holding BTC. The longer you hold, the less likely you are going to lose everything in a dip (assuming BTC is here to stay, that is). Back in 2011 when this thread was started, I would not have been so confident giving the same advice.

PS: I now know the answer to my question in post #224: buy Bitcoin. My bank at the time (that I am slowly moving away from) turned out to be Bitcoin hostile.

At the current exchange rate 1BTC=380USD is more than enough to start. Let me know when you would like to start.

Maria.

@Phill Your question was irrelevant to the topic.

Hello Maria,

can you give me you script/program for trading with mt4 program ?


thank you!!

Absolutely, buy before I do, you need to setup a Demo account with a starting balance of 1000 USD.

Then, you need to link that account to www.myfxbook.com.

After that, we can proceed.

Ready when you are.

Maria.

1) I have to say, wow. This thread has been open for 2 years and no real proof that it works?
2) Previous question leads into:

3) For someone who was so hell bent on transparency, why all the games?
and finally:
4) Now that BTC-e has a specifically compiled version of MT4 that works with their system, why not re-write your EA to work directly with their pairs? You can trust us to send you the commission.

Charlie Shrem was a friend of mine from Brooklyn. I gave him tons of advice but he did not listen to the important details. Then he started running a Ponzi thru bitinstant. And that is why you dont see him around anymore except in his sock puppet form.

I have proven that my system works. If you want you can volunteer.

BTC-e is an exchange that I personally dont trust but if they are running mT4 then it will work for sure.

thanks for the questions.

Maria.

Open Enrollment Starts Now!

All questions are FREE of charge.

Maria.

I think your OP needs some updates, as LR is closed.

That is correct. I'll leave it for historic purposes.

LR was just a payment method. The important piece is the non-us based broker.

Maria

Which one is the best?

Hi all.

Let's try this again. Forex traders I am here to share my trading robot. Let's discuss. US Brokers are OK.

Maria.

holy necro what is this madness, mind explaining what this is?

Wow - you've been at this for a long time Maria.

With 20% gains per month GUARANTEED, you must own most of the world's wealth by now.