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After the news http://solidcointalk.org/topic/211-solidcoin-shutting-down-at-block-35250/page__pid__1392#entry1392
about hack attack solidcoin lost 75% in his price.

the one exchange to accept SC today is btc-e.com

moonco.in  is down 
solidcoin24 doesnt accept any SC payments.


 :-[   RIP solid.

We will see what happens next.

0.001$ per SC already

SC is dead but i have 20 000 for sell gonna sell it for 0.002$

[coinhunter_emulation=1]

Geist Geld is the new black!

It's more solid than solidcoin, because it has:

1) Even f4ster blocks! No blocks are faster then our fast blocks! Actually true - blocks are faster in GG

2) Even more secure, VITAL SECURITY HOLES PLUMBED AND PLUGGED !1! (actually, that is a fact, since GG is the first chain to fix a hole that allows a sufficiently massive attacker to "send blocks into the past" thus screwing with retargeting algorithms, though I can't claim credit for the discovery or the fix - all the credit goes to Art )

3) Both pool-friendly and pool-safe, which is at least twice more best than merely pool-safe (has no questionable asymetric retargets, but, thanks to very fast blocks, quickly recovers from even major swings in difficulty due to big boys arriving and leaving)

4) Allows for escrow transactions out-of-the-box! (It really does)

5) Has NTP that is at least bilionteen times better than that seen in i0coin ! (Fact)

[coinhunter_emulation=0]


Ooof, being coinhunter is actually pretty tough... I wouldn't want that as fulltime job...

Haha, this actually made me laugh

i am pretty sure that 2 weeks is a long long  time in cryptocurrency nowdays..

it's possible nobody will remember solid after this break.

All without firing a single GHash in anger either. Do note that the 'solid'coin network has also lost about 1/3 of its hashing power since that news broke. Shows just how soft it really is.

All Skynet has to do is merely threaten a network for it to collapse. Although I am sure they can bring the pain as promised, it is still interesting the mere threat can do this much damage.

I don't think it was -just- the threat, I think it was just the (large) straw that broke the camels back, as far as confidence goes. There have been far too many ups and downs in SC's short life, I think people are tired of the roller-coaster.

Two weeks is a long time but at least they promise a more robust architecture after this.

If anyone is having trouble selling their SolidCoins the irc channel is buying them at fairly decent prices.

Can any of you explain how is this network really getting shut down and what really happens when it gets restarted.
What if 2+ miners keep the rigs running and people do not download hes "new and improved" client?
 

The existing network is likely going to be hacked and toyed with , anyone wanting to trust their coins after block 35250 will be basically doing it with a prayer. :)

The reason people will download the new client is because it wan't be vulnerable to these hacks inherent in bitcoin.

More importantly, every statement can be demonstrated to be generally true :)

why would I want anything to do with your coin when you let hackers hack your shit and download blocks to theri hearts content and an artificially low difficulty?

and you also claim to not know shit about developing and were begging for developers.  I'm not trying to attack you, I want answers? Why would I want to touch geist geld? You dont even have an exchange and people who are antithesis to the entire bitcoin idea, namely hackers, hold the most coins. If you want people to take you seriously, you will have to relaunch, cause very little people will take you seriously after visiting the geist geld thread. No i havent read the whole thing but I got far enough to know I dont trust your coin right now.

He did relaunch.

Did you read what GG was, or just in flaimin-ragin mode?

So what you are saying is you are going to fork the current chain, add some new rules etc and then convert somehow all pre 35250 coins to your new chain?
You mentioned your hidden kill switch Update: It's just a version update message "switch" and can be disabled.



Who is going to trust your new fork after tricks like that?

@ johnj - now that was one hell of a touché  ;D

@Joules

since when did "hackers" become antithesis of bitcoin ?

Did I miss the meeting where the Grand Hivemind Queen of All Bitcoins excommunicated them ?  ::)

So, are you part the "toxic community" you were referring to?

Hey guy, I get it.  Everyone went nuts on CH for being a douche last week.  No one cares anymore - everyone has already calmed down. So now it's your turn.

That I can relate to, though I suggest you take everything (including posted by me) somewhat more lightheartedly.


At this point, I feel like asking for a compensation (100 GeistGeld would do) for the discomfort inflicted via making me shoot carbonated water (which I was drinking) through my nose.

I take it you never heard of, oh I dunno, the Fabulous Sony Rootkit ? :)

Well, good to know that, though technically, it is somewhat hard to draw a direct parallel due to apparent lack of customers in case of parties carrying out the acts in question.


I made no such claim, though I do understand that other parties have, and might even believe that strange idea.

Well, that's the reason why I created GG (that, and the dream of running my very own "quasi-pseudo-kindasorta money laundering setup" on the internet), though I don't believe one could seriously hope to take the "attacks" out of the equation.

Consider this - attack on GeistGeld has granted the community a straightforward way to trump various "timetraveller invasions" before a more dramatic application of "timetravell" has emerged. In the end, a net gain has resulted.

  And lastly the unfounded attacks on people that are actually out there "doing" something productive with their time.


Um,  do you honestly think that I could discourage the attacks by making a condemnatory statement, or  my immense force of will ? :)

trolling troliing trolling

at that time moonco.in woke up and sc/btc went down to 0,007 (40%)
and this is just a  beginning....

0,0063  moonco.in
0,0052 btc-e.com

it's going down to 0,0001 like I0coin

GG and RIP

Well there is a thesis against your scenario... It could be possible that since every other crypto-concurrency is initially (lets say now to wider adaptation or failure)  valuated in bitcoin they would eventually continuously go down in value until everybody abandons it.
The reason being that bitcoin as the most mature chain has always the advantage....

That actually became somewhat a meme in cyberculture, hence the first and the last.... before bitcoin existed.
You might say we only have one internet, this might be a weak comparison but still valid, TCP/IP v4 was created and will continue to exist under ipv6. Exactly the same thing might happen with bitcoin.

Yes, it would be nice if floks just made pull requests with patches.

It would be also nice if Annie Cruz was in love with me.

Sometimes, life just gives you, well, lemons. And you have to figure out how to burn a house down with lemons :)


I happen to be part of a culture  with very strong propensity for reciprocity and thus tend to thank people when they help. Simples-s! *sqeek!*


Um, no, Gavin is not the Bitcoin Queen Bee (Queen Bit?).

He's an awesome developer and a well-mannered person, but he isn't in "charge" of the "community" found within bitcointalk (Or did I just miss the Queen Bit election, folks ?!)


I only picked on Coinhunter, and even that after he made hilarious claims of "improved security" (Of which he had, and still has, none.), and even then I started quite polite and did my best to remain so until he went fully loco.




Thanks


:(


I think you should just take it easier.

Alt coins aren't yet as much srs business as Bitcoin, so it would be best if people treated them more lightheartedly.

I wonder why you don't partake in namecoin, it's by far the most innovative

Still true to form, he still refuses to answer any technical questions in any level of detail. Seems to me to be another desperate move to try to maintain control of the project.

We have to keep in mind he is playing the fence in the open-source world and close-source world.

He wants to straddle the fence where he gets to use open source code yet doesn't want to give any details on his implementations.

So the answer is no, he can't explain it.

Well, RealSolid is the security expert in all things coin

FTFY, it was lacking the Coinhunter marketing fluff/pizzazz

When life gives you lemons, GET MAD!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ufRnf2Exc

He must really enjoy the sensation he gets from straddling that fence.

Go get 'em Art.

BitcoinEXpress, can you release the fix so people can repair the so called "open source" Solidcoin  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41345.0) (aka no crappy licence changes from RealSolid) and we can blow off RealSolid and his next fork he is planning.

It sure sounds like solidcoin supporters having nothing better to do are now sulking in their sorrows over their network and coming to this forum to let loose.

Good to see CH's propaganda has seeped into you too Viper.

cue Queens "Another one bites the dust"

From that same quote, you'll see that he thinks he should have implemented it, and given CH's personality disorder I don't doubt he'll abuse it in the future.  Sure, let's trust the guy who, by his own admission, wants to be able to kill SC at any time.

Face it, SC is dead.  Literally.  It's not even online right now.

Wait, what do you mean, not online ? Like, the entire Solidcoin network is literally down ? :0

Most of the nodes have quit, and RS said it'd be days/weeks until the new one is released.

Also said that once he gets his own running, he'd only invite a select few to test it out.

And he still hasn't said how he is going to begin the new fork at 35k (if he is going to premine).

Least that's what I gathered from IRC last night.

Really?  There was a poll?  A time of discussion?

Way a I read it, CH put a post saying it's coming down just hours before the 'deadline'.  And if you choose to support the other fork in -any- way, you'll be excluded from sollidcoin.info.

"via community agreement and recommendation".  Pffffft, you're hook-line-sinker aren't ya?

Read: CH pissed off BitX, and pulled the plug on his own chain, giving only hours of notice inorder to save the little credit he had. 

This is what you get when one guy is calling the shots.

c'mon guys. Do we need more FUD?  :P

There is 2 "versions" of solidcoin and one additional he his writing now.

correct me if I am wrong but...
#1 Version 1... - one he originally released and then foobared in version 1.04
#2 Version 1.04 has a good brother :) . It is a upgraded 1.03 and is identical to 1.04 but without the stupid "license" ReaSolid added to hes version of 1.04. 
So, if this version #2 (Bro Solidcoin) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41345.0  (excluding RealSolid bullshit home made license) gets fixed against the "time travel" etc attacks, we have a working SolidCoin client that uses the currently operating network.

Upcoming fork (1.10?) has a ass load (or not) of unknown hacks and rules to invalidate all the coin generated after the block 35250. If someone has seen the source code, please comment.


As you all probably all know by now, at this point in time, shutting down the network at block 35250 as failed and people are still mining happily at 35-70 Gh  and do not give a flying fuck what RealSolid/CoinHunter wants or demands. Open up a new exchange at we are back at 300+GH in no time.

If i understand it correctly, original network/chain can not be shut down unless it gets attacked and or everybody downloads the new solidcoin version (not available at the moment)


I'll take the better and more stable client with new cool features any time but ONLY if the code is reviewed by multiple independent programmers and cleaned up from all the hidden and possibly dangerous crap.

Downloading a binary client from RealSolid? ... Thank you, but no!

This sounds like the sanest plan.

New poll: Which solidcoin fork do you use?

So now we've gone from making alt chains to who's fork is best? lol

Yup. I guess so.

IMHO if coinhunter had a fix for the exploit(s) he would not need 2 weeks. From a pragmatic perspective it should take 3 days tops if he really is telling the truth.