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Title: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: dusunbesemah on June 16, 2018, 06:28:23 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: raiderking96 on June 16, 2018, 07:13:50 PM
Stay patient and take the opportunity to buy back when the market price is falling like this.
I think it will not last long, 1-2 months the market will get better again.
This year's market condition is not good, so we should not expect markets to rebound with high recovery rates, just take a little profit and not be too ambitious, because the current cryptocurrency market could just fall quickly


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: MoonIsBlue on June 16, 2018, 07:20:52 PM
Can take a while, I don't have a crystal ball so I can't tell you when it's going to recover. Maybe it will never recover at all. Stay liquid and have patience


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Didin on June 16, 2018, 07:21:07 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

until the markets found the bottom price,,
maybe we will see a good up price movement begin in the next month ,,  ;)


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: bobo012 on June 16, 2018, 07:22:16 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

Last time mega bear cycle lasted for nearly two years, but those who held were rewarded handsomely, i expect it this time too.
It is a normal market cycle, mixed with fear. People who are in profits fear for their money and are selling to lock it in, also people who are losing dont want too lose more, there are a lot of reasons


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: yeezycheezy on June 16, 2018, 07:29:40 PM
they will not fall .its normally to get the dip but their on process to get a good value om their coin . maybe you should now what their process theyre making believe in their project and help them and guide to towards to success . im investors thats what ill always do check their community and theyre on going projects so when theres of yours to share you can give them advice so the project will moving on :) cheers . don worry crypto currencies will our nxt money maybe nxt year :)


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: bigcash2011 on June 16, 2018, 07:55:07 PM
Hi mate it is basically market trend, market is following its trend, just wait for signs of trend reversal, as soon as you see bullish engulfing or bullish hammer on daily time frame then you can take entry, market will give you good profit if you catch the bottom.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: cryptofirm on June 16, 2018, 08:23:51 PM
Hi mate it is basically market trend, market is following its trend, just wait for signs of trend reversal, as soon as you see bullish engulfing or bullish hammer on daily time frame then you can take entry, market will give you good profit if you catch the bottom.

nice knowledge on technical analysis,,
but, in my opinion the price will be growing up soon,,
if we see the bitcoin price, i think the price will never hit below $6k or if the price hit below 6k USD the price will move up in fast,, because 6k USD is very a strong support zone


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Clark05 on June 16, 2018, 08:29:05 PM
No one know until when the marker fall the only solution for this is avoid panic selling your coins because the other reason why the market falling down. Keep holding your coin and you will gain more money in the future. But I hope it will recover again the marker this month or even next month of july.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: tabas on June 16, 2018, 08:33:36 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
No one knows until when this market is going to stay with this bear. But don't worry, it will be followed by a massive increase soon.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
Whales,news,sells.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: joelsamuya on June 16, 2018, 09:30:10 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

When the market is like this., maybe as the rule of many expert in investments., you can take advantage of this by buying at the low price of each coin., many investors in this situation take advantage of buying the coin at the very low price and then sell it when the market recovers., so do not be worry if the market fall., well in answer to your question maybe there are lots of reasons why., when a news circulates to the media, it affects the buying emotions of an investor or traders., one big reason maybe is the government regulation of cryptocurrency which affects the cryptocurrency economy. But as what i can see., the major reasons is the ongoing ICO scam nowadays , people fears of buying because of the recent ICO scams and then gone.

Hoping that this market fall will recover in the next few months.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: ClayDouglas on June 16, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
No one can really answer because no body really know. This is so new. The only thing I can think is that Bitcoin was like $1,000 a year ago, and then it went to $20,000. That's an incredible rise. And sometimes what goes up must come down. The higher, the faster.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: rommelzkie on June 16, 2018, 11:19:00 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!


You need to read more regarding on market cycle. The price of bitcoin will surely surge down up to 5,000 level for the next coming months. This will make an insane pain for all of the HODLERS who enters from 18,000 price level.

if you are one of that, It is much better to buy more bitcoin at the lowest possible price (5,000). If you did this, Your position will decrease dramatically.

See the chart as a reference:

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/768/1*HntoPhstONeK4PvTlrptaA.jpeg


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: edgycorner on June 16, 2018, 11:29:41 PM
Everytime something big and bad happens, the market falls.This time it was due to the coinrail(a korean exchange) getting hacked.
It caused a lot of panic selling, and people in east started unloading.Every fall isn't meaning less, things happened and got reflected in the market.

Everytime a bad news causes the fall, other than that it keeps on growing(mostly) :v


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Katabit on June 16, 2018, 11:32:00 PM
People succumbed to panic! Many sell at a loss and lose their money. They do not know what to do and how to act in such a situation. All this is actively fueled by various news. Let's hope that in the autumn there will be a steady growth of the market.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: nozokiumi on June 16, 2018, 11:48:23 PM
Until the deepest dump ever. And I hope it will deploy to the highest pump ever, I'm still waiting patiently here.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: fransxavariustintin on June 17, 2018, 12:38:12 AM
People succumbed to panic! Many sell at a loss and lose their money. They do not know what to do and how to act in such a situation. All this is actively fueled by various news. Let's hope that in the autumn there will be a steady growth of the market.

I agree with you, many are giving up because of the current situation and then they are afraid, many people are selling their altcoin for a very low price, I admit this kind of circumstance makes me almost give up and makes me nervous, seeing the falling market makes me afraid, I braced myself and refrained from selling my assets.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Sephire on June 17, 2018, 12:42:32 AM
Going by above posted market cycle chart, market is in final stages of correction. See the market cycle chart  superimposed on bitcoin chart here:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df1n8rmU8AAT4AW.jpg


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: mabyyy on June 17, 2018, 01:07:16 AM
the cryptocurrency market is very young, so the increased volatility in the current situation is very good. Every time the market is at the bottom I'm happy - I know I can make money on it again. If you want to be successful do not think about the " x " if you see that the market has grown by 30% sell and fix the profit, and remember that the next failure will be repeated in a month or maybe three months - until we see a clear positivity of the state on the issue of crypto currencies around the world, these swings will


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: iqlimasyadiqa on June 17, 2018, 01:24:51 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
circumstances like this will always happen all the time. prices are always changing into something that can not be missed. crypto is a thing that is still easily influenced by various so that we will feel the changes every day. as it happens today I am optimistic the market will not always be red and there are times to be green. we just wait what will happen later.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: kobe24 on June 17, 2018, 02:11:16 AM
No one can predict the future but there are some panic selling happens and some fuds are spreading over the internet that's why market is still in red.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Claudyah on June 17, 2018, 03:30:15 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

until the markets found the bottom price,,
maybe we will see a good up price movement begin in the next month ,,  ;)

it has been two months since this market price starts from the month of MEi when the price begins to decline and now the month of June the price is down yet there is no good news and there has been no price movement for the green back we can only be patient until the situation is over.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: pleaderzazure on June 17, 2018, 03:44:18 AM
I think the condition of a market it's like a wheel there is a time under and there are times above. So don't panic and still patient until the prices are a pump and reach highest prices maybe 2-3 months or more.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: febryza on June 17, 2018, 04:33:54 AM
We don't know til when the crypto will be fallen like nowadays, because people have affected by another dumper, they follow the steps of the dumpers, they take a wrong decision. We should be stay calm and patient. We need to invest more on crypto that we think proper to be invested, because it is good opportunity for us to increase our investment because the market keep falls and we can buy the coins as cheap as possible.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: xandriel on June 17, 2018, 04:45:02 AM
in the Internet, they said that the reason is the hacked of Coinrail exchange. But I dont believe that. In my opinion, the dump of whales, sharks and FUDers is the main reason. You can see now, SEC talked BTC and ETH are not stocks, IMF announced crypto is the future of currency which can replace fiat money. So, only dumping can make the market down.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Mhd-Bobbi on June 17, 2018, 04:47:42 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
sources I found
News on the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) that Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency transactions, the cause of the fall of Bitcoin prices on Feb. 28 yesterday
As part of the investigation, the SEC has issued "dozens of court calls" to obtain information from technology and digital companies.
POWER CHOICE MECHANISM (public offer coin / ICO) which is not required to follow strict public offer rules.
The reason is that Bitcoin's prohibition for financial service providers is regulated in Bank Regulation No. 18 of 2016 on the Implementation of Payment Transaction Processing.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Vegan97 on June 17, 2018, 04:51:04 AM
Sometimes price decline causes FUD news and not vice versa.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: GoldenLad on June 17, 2018, 06:12:46 AM
The truth is, many things or action can't be the determinant of a falling market price of bitcoin cause every now and then, traders and investors sell out of emotions and mood and will keep on falling till they do being emotional and start being patient. But I hope the price will not go lower than $6k. It may linger around the price of $6k but may not go lower than that but yet don't be too sure cauee anything can happen.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: pakboi on June 17, 2018, 06:22:42 AM
It will go down as long as people will keep dumping their cryptocurrency or swapping it into a USD [Tether].


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: rommelzkie on June 17, 2018, 06:50:53 AM
Going by above posted market cycle chart, market is in final stages of correction. See the market cycle chart  superimposed on bitcoin chart here:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df1n8rmU8AAT4AW.jpg


We need to go lower than 6,000 price level before we can tell that the market cycle is about to end. I am patiently waiting at 5,000 price level. If i saw a huge volume and buy orders from bitcoin. i will definitely dive in. My target will be 18,000 and i am excited for that to happen  ;D


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Klovezio on June 17, 2018, 07:26:23 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
This market always welcome the person with weak hands. I am glad to have them in this market. That’s one of reasons why the market falls and we have the change to buy coin at quite cheap price. We shall thank them.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: TXCEO on June 17, 2018, 09:06:05 AM
I think the market will continue to fall until August. I think it is the impact of the World Cup. The World Cup has a huge economic impact on the world. Especially for funding. The World Cup is the largest casino in the world.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: @baracitamon on June 17, 2018, 09:55:42 AM
The market will never collapse, if they collapse, perhaps the entire world economy will collapse, there are now many companies and places that accept electronic money in the payment of goods. and service. So I think they will survive and develop in the future.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: onrise on June 17, 2018, 10:04:14 AM
No one can predict the future but there are some panic selling happens and some fuds are spreading over the internet that's why market is still in red.

This is true that due to which people are falling in the trap that market will crash and thus selling at this point due to which the fall is happening. It would have being more good that people learn to have patience and hold on to their coin and it will help market to recover quickly.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Adamant06 on June 17, 2018, 10:45:55 AM
The market will never collapse, if they collapse, perhaps the entire world economy will collapse, there are now many companies and places that accept electronic money in the payment of goods. and service. So I think they will survive and develop in the future.
We cant predict the future of the market. But I agree that it will never collapse eventhough it falls for a long time. As long as we believe in  our own to adapt any development the future  will be secure.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Red-Apple on June 17, 2018, 10:57:29 AM
as long as it takes until reaching the bottom

that is the important part. like a party balloon that you fill with air to form a big bubble like object, the market also goes into a bubble when it is pumped. again like a party balloon when the party is over (the pump is done) you let the air get out of the balloon and tuck it away in your drawer for later use. the market needs to get rid of the bubble (air) and go down so that you can reach the bottom and stable real prices so that you can restart the party and pump the coins again. otherwise you can not pump what is already pumped or has leftover air in it.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: ajqjjj on June 17, 2018, 11:19:38 AM
I think the market will continue to fall until August. I think it is the impact of the World Cup. The World Cup has a huge economic impact on the world. Especially for funding. The World Cup is the largest casino in the world.
World cup is just a game so many gamblers are betting in Crypto currency so automatically demand is increasing in this scenario but Current situation is totally opposite.
 The exact reason is unpredictable so peoples are stop the Crypto investment. I hope next month Crypto market is back to form.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: lx001 on June 17, 2018, 11:29:36 AM
I think the market will continue to fall until August. I think it is the impact of the World Cup. The World Cup has a huge economic impact on the world. Especially for funding. The World Cup is the largest casino in the world.
People always try to find the reasons of market falls, I remember it was Chinese New Year this January, now you think it has something to do with the World Cup. It has absolutely zero connection, cryptocurrencies simply become less popular among average Joes, and that's it.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: heynikkki on June 17, 2018, 11:57:22 AM
This movement from $6200 to $8400 will last for at least 2 months. I hope that after that the huge growth will occur


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: EuphorichamsTer on June 17, 2018, 12:21:12 PM
I think the market will continue to fall until August. I think it is the impact of the World Cup. The World Cup has a huge economic impact on the world. Especially for funding. The World Cup is the largest casino in the world.
People always try to find the reasons of market falls, I remember it was Chinese New Year this January, now you think it has something to do with the World Cup. It has absolutely zero connection, cryptocurrencies simply become less popular among average Joes, and that's it.

I think the market has been on a bear run for a nearly a year already. On a lighter note, it's a good time to buy cheap and save up for good ICOs launching this year like Menlo One, Aitheon, and Eloncity. This may seem like a bad year for most investors who are stuck at a loss, but definitely good for adding to our positions.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: West0813 on June 17, 2018, 12:21:43 PM
Noone knows how long the market will fall. Lets hope that this drop will end soon. And no bad news will come out that may affect the rise of bitcoin in the coming months.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Prodigye on June 17, 2018, 12:33:47 PM
Causes: whale manipulation, speculation, futures contract expiring, bad news coverage. May last a little longer but don't worry, it will likely recover like it has with every other downtrend.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Alex077 on June 17, 2018, 12:47:17 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

I think the downtrend will continue until September until large amounts of money will come into the cryptocurrencies. Now trading volumes are very small, deals are few, interest in cryptocurrencies is reducing and accordingly the altcoins prices and capitalization of the entire market are declining.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Mt. Dempo on June 17, 2018, 01:03:41 PM
the current market situation is very complicated.

there are many ico scam and investors screaming losses.
some exchanges experience hacking.
the SEC's statements are great and convinced that the crypto market has been manipulated.

what next? successive incidents and the downward trend is not over.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: jc89 on June 17, 2018, 01:57:58 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

No one could really say when will this bearish market end and be on a bull market. This market has always been unpredictable and it will stay as it is. Being in the bear market gives enough information why we are experiencing this consecutive drops. The market and the community reacts accordingly that's why only a few wants to pump the market. Nothing significant reason for this, it's just a normal event.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Phat Buzz Tart on June 17, 2018, 02:26:05 PM
Just wait, we will reach Everest soon :)
Maybe few months of this bad market situation and then all will go to the moon, sir.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Domenc on June 17, 2018, 02:31:36 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
Not many predicted this downfall and not many are sure about when it is going to end. The market has taken the prices by storm but only for bad.  The main cause of all this according to me is the people. The panic sells has a huge influence on the market. When bitcoin gets hugely sold off by people, other alt coins suffers with it as well. I hope it ends and the market is green again.   


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: wildflower18 on June 17, 2018, 02:54:17 PM
As I always my point of view no one can gives definite answer. We do not know yet when will be the market fall like this. Many speculation this year of btc will might grow so hopefully we can see the big changes of bitcoin price to increase.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: kingzpro on June 17, 2018, 03:38:05 PM
Market has bottomed out according to most of the social media mentors and i feel the same, its just a consolidation period that may last few weeks and then we will see clear signs of bull trend back in the market, just wait and see.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: abokhalel2 on June 17, 2018, 04:00:22 PM
I think that it will remain like this for a long time, at least, for a few months more until we can see a new bullrun, but it will take some time and it wont be anytime soon.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: ariyzt on June 17, 2018, 05:02:11 PM
i have no idea but since last news about korean exchange that got hacked this price getting bad
all the price keep down following bitcoin price
but market usually get their best price at the end of year
let see what market can do at the end of this year


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: bitgov on June 17, 2018, 05:02:22 PM
You need to be patient cause this down can't last forever for me, it will take of course some time to recover to level that we know from past year but it is not impossible for it to do that.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: btcyoda on June 17, 2018, 05:12:44 PM
See nobody don't know when market start recovering because most of people guessing on the basis of experience they have but we have seen many ups and downs in the market. Same time we have to move according to the market.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: jlpabilonia on June 17, 2018, 05:17:51 PM
this is natural in crypto world.. sometimes its falling and sometimes pump up.. that is how crypto world goes.. don't worry if this time all coins in dump.. it will not last longer, it will not stay for long. just wait a few weeks and you will see that coins will pump..


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: reynilynedago on June 17, 2018, 05:24:58 PM
We cannot say about exactly till when the market will be falling like this because the market is highly volatile and its fluctuations are at a rapid pace so saying strongly about the time we can only predict and maybe for like next 2-3 months next the market will be like this
After that, we are hoping for the good rise in the market price which can surely save us from the debt
We can't say the market will be growing dreadly high but a small percentage of increase will surely be there
So till then you can wait and have the patience for a year or so and then enjoy the market
Till then learn the market or u can invest here at the lowest rates


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: slaman29 on June 17, 2018, 05:27:36 PM
Causes: whale manipulation, speculation, futures contract expiring, bad news coverage. May last a little longer but don't worry, it will likely recover like it has with every other downtrend.

Then again, all these reasons have been given after the fact. I think it's time most people realize here that Bitcoin can and will move in any direction it chooses, regardless of what developments are going on behind the scene. I do personally believe price is being manipulated by exchanges, and then we just fill in the blacks on why. Trust me, when the bulls return (yes, when), we'll be surrounded by the same FUD but headlines will ignore them.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: rizkyhiw on June 17, 2018, 05:32:11 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
the fall in prices is due to the whales that continue to suck bitcoin prices, it becomes their trick to take advantage of bitcoin and small investors. I think it will be over soon and the market will be back to normal. all the small investors have been waiting for the bull market to come.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: kicauklaten on June 17, 2018, 06:58:39 PM
until when will the downturn occurred naturally there will be no one knows for sure. the obvious while it is being in a position to buy then just cheap and this would be an advantage. Although he did make a concerned because there has never been a rise, however, but of course time to rise in itself will surely arrive at any time because of crypto himself has also started having lots of support and deserve to experience price increases.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: oseikuf44 on June 17, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
Looking at the cycle of most coins, both altcoins and bitcoins I see this is not something new to happen in the market. At normal circumstance, when the market goes down for long time like the market is currently experiencing, then it means a bullish trend will be forming soon.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: JustBetweenUs on June 17, 2018, 07:17:58 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

I think the downtrend will continue until September until large amounts of money will come into the cryptocurrencies. Now trading volumes are very small, deals are few, interest in cryptocurrencies is reducing and accordingly the altcoins prices and capitalization of the entire market are declining.

What is going on in September that makes you think new money will flood into the market? I think before the big guys get in there needs to be some more clarity around regulations


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: passwordnow on June 17, 2018, 07:41:21 PM
I want to end this as soon as possible but it's likely to be impossible when I can tell you on when this fall will stay.

I'm putting up my hope until the end of the year which can be a pretty good month.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Shtamm_oval on June 17, 2018, 08:14:03 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
The fall is really quite long and because of this, many panic. But I think that this trend of falling in the market for a short time and soon we will see a rise.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: electron-coin on June 17, 2018, 08:36:06 PM
No one knows exactly how long the market will be red. In any case, someday it will end and market will start to turn green. In history, there was already a depressive year, but it ended and we saw incredible price rises. Many of us say: "I'm sorry that I didn't buy bitcoin in 2013, 2014, 2015 ..." I think now is the time to buy bitcoin (or other good coins). And then, when the market comes to life and prices go up, we will not regret that we didn't buy.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: blacktux88 on June 17, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
there should be found solution for hacking and regulation.

after this 2 problems are solved .... crypto currency could rise to moon....

but if not it cant be a stable currency


Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: kojoannan on June 17, 2018, 11:24:10 PM
Market fall depends on the severe of the factor causing it . The recent fall of bitcoin is liken to what we witness in 2014,as most expert are saying that is a sign that something positive about the market is going to happen. let keep our hands across.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: rodel caling on June 17, 2018, 11:37:26 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!


Nobody can tells when the market exactly going uprise i suggest stay strong and don not worry time has come for th uprising again of the crypto currnecy for me in my opinion the recently price are fair enough because since i start harein forum the price of bitcoin are almost 5k usd if not wrong.

The cause of price drop is came from the negative feedback from the fake news and negative speculation came from the popular personalities include them from the business sector and government want to regulate bitcoin.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: SPINPIX on June 17, 2018, 11:43:45 PM
nobody of us has the crystal ball and we have seen that the tecnical analisis from the stock markets don't works very well on the crypto marked due to the low amount of money circulating, but we can take a look of the charts of bitcoin and other cryptos in the past years for trying to predict the future movements. in the 2014 many people were bearish and i sold all my bitcoins like many others people scared of the price dropping lower and lower, now it is almost the same situation, and i think that in the next months btc will give us  a new greater bull run.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: montgolfier on June 18, 2018, 01:24:52 AM
it will probably continue for a few months more.

But i am not worried, this is temporary and it has always been like this, there is nothing to worry


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: jamids on June 18, 2018, 01:28:28 AM
nobody of us has the crystal ball and we have seen that the tecnical analisis from the stock markets don't works very well on the crypto marked due to the low amount of money circulating, but we can take a look of the charts of bitcoin and other cryptos in the past years for trying to predict the future movements. in the 2014 many people were bearish and i sold all my bitcoins like many others people scared of the price dropping lower and lower, now it is almost the same situation, and i think that in the next months btc will give us  a new greater bull run.

Technical analysis do work in cryptocurrency but it is likely to work in high volume coins than the low volume ones because this type of coins are prone to pump and dump so it is not wise to use technical analysis in this kind of coins. As for how long the market will fall, no one knows for sure but we can just speculate as to when it will happen maybe sooner or later. We know that there is a market cycle and when the time comes that many people are already depressed, it is time for the market to turn around and have a run again. I'm hoping that it will happen soon too.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: pamsugas on June 18, 2018, 01:35:19 AM
remain patient there is no certainty in crypto. if in my opinion the bitcoin will be to 5k usd then go back up and altcoin will recover soon


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: m.vina on June 18, 2018, 02:15:29 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

It's part of the usual cycle of crypto. I wouldn't be worried so much. Everything will eventually rise again in the future. This is a risk you should have been aware of from the very beginning. Crypto is extremely volatile and can be risky but can also be extremely profitable.

Invest wisely and only put in money you can afford to lose.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: zms1992 on June 18, 2018, 02:43:24 AM
I think this bear market will last for another 1 - 2 months, and it is still not at the bottom of the market.
If your cost is too high, you can buy more BTC at about $ 6,000 to lower the overall cost.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: jakezyrus on June 18, 2018, 02:49:14 AM
it will probably continue for a few months more.

But i am not worried, this is temporary and it has always been like this, there is nothing to worry


it will probably continue for a few months more.
really? but how did you predict it? do have any source or proof that the fall can still continue on the next months?

But i am not worried, this is temporary and it has always been like this, there is nothing to worry

same here, im not also worried and i guess almost all of us arent still worrying because we all know that cryptos could possibly recover sooner or later.
though i dont agree when you say temporary, it isnt temporary anymore because we already experience this fall a long time ago.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Claudyah on June 18, 2018, 03:59:09 AM
Noone knows how long the market will fall. Lets hope that this drop will end soon. And no bad news will come out that may affect the rise of bitcoin in the coming months.
there is no certainty as to when exactly the market will return to normal the possibility of gambling gambling sites are dominating the market now with this world cup but there is news of the year prices will get better we just wait.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: coin_1122 on June 18, 2018, 04:09:23 AM
No one here cannot predict how long it will continue because most of the people are predicting about the prices but not about the market situation and in order to recover we have to wait until it's start recovering.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: lllaqpt on June 18, 2018, 06:00:23 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
There are a lot of reasons, the check of exchanges hit the market pretty well, and the scammers are constantly trying. So it continued the bearish trend, which is now in constant struggle with the bulls. Unequivocally they need the help of whales to gain an advantage.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: jackylion on June 18, 2018, 07:10:09 AM
Probably during this time the market continued to fall and they continued to fall deeply. So now the price of atlcoin is down dramatically so nobody knows the reason why. In my opinion they will increase again in the next few weeks.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Mr.Wallet on June 18, 2018, 08:58:48 AM
Can easily reverse tomorrow , can easily last another half year . You never know but we sure need smart money coming in .


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: 1BTC EQUALS 1CAR on June 18, 2018, 09:02:22 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!



I think we will just stay where we fell back in March or April and that is the real bottom prices of bitcoin and others. Even though we hate to see the marketcap getting smaller, bitcoin is still on the $6k mark which is not good but not really that bad either.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: marcbitcoins on June 18, 2018, 09:10:38 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

No one could really tell when because the market is really unpredictable that even numbers of predictions failed to become in reality so therefore maybe if the big whales will join the market and start their games of manipulating the price to rise up then maybe that will be the time the market will stop falling. So lets just wait and see as maybe the bullish market also is already around the corner by now.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: BattleZeo on June 18, 2018, 09:12:44 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
Daily falling? BTC and ETH is climbing now, slowly. Thanks god they keep the price higher 6k and 450. Now is getting better. I think we will have bull run soon. Prepare now.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Alex077 on June 18, 2018, 10:00:52 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

At the moment, the entire cryptocurrency market is in a weakened and unstable state. As many users write right, now is a good time for purchase. Unfortunately, the expected uptrend in June didn't happen. Therefore we will wait for September.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: asritajudin on June 18, 2018, 10:08:53 AM
No one can really say when the market will recover from this bearish period and I think the market is just follow a trend. The best thing to do is to wait patiently until when the market will recover which I believe might be soon.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: PastirmaliYumurta on June 18, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
Too many amateurs have escaped from this sector. Now those who are very wealthy in this market run it, but it is very much. These people will not leave the market where they have gained billions of dollars in 2 months. Everything will be very different when the bull season comes.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: waaat? on June 18, 2018, 12:38:33 PM
My prediction that such market falling will continue yet. No any market diver. Or big event. Or something else for turn over. And whales will dump more because much BTC not in the their pocket


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Coinseeker22 on June 18, 2018, 12:44:57 PM
The market is expected to drop a bit more, this will happen for the whole month of June. As to why the reason is not for accurate it may be the current trend due to people protecting their profit or due to people taking profit from ICO payouts. BY July we should see some recover across all market.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: bitcoinisbest on June 18, 2018, 12:47:06 PM
My prediction that such market falling will continue yet. No any market diver. Or big event. Or something else for turn over. And whales will dump more because much BTC not in the their pocket

The market might not continue to fall because it is finding some resistance at 6500$ and big whales might have already sold it or infact many big investors would have start buying at this level as big investors follow different principle as they buy more in the falling market and so they make more money.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: lolchina on June 18, 2018, 01:19:14 PM
If i would have to guess i would say that it will fall at least untill the end of the year and probably few months in next year.Have in mind that we had serrious bull run that was result of tether manipulation and that a lot of people got burned buying btc at 15-20k$ price so trust in crypto wont come back any time soon


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: ZZ8ZZ on June 18, 2018, 01:33:01 PM
My prediction that such market falling will continue yet. No any market diver. Or big event. Or something else for turn over. And whales will dump more because much BTC not in the their pocket

The market might not continue to fall because it is finding some resistance at 6500$ and big whales might have already sold it or infact many big investors would have start buying at this level as big investors follow different principle as they buy more in the falling market and so they make more money.

I truly believe that the bottom is around $6500 and it can only go up from there, but again who knows  ;D there is so much manipulation going on with this market, that it's really hard to predict where the price will go next month/week even the next day. You all see that huge red candles form literally from nowhere and the same happens with green candles too. No one knows for how long it will be going to fall like this, but looking at the a bigger picture I see bright future for Bitcoin.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: member1 on June 18, 2018, 01:47:07 PM
You just have to remember that last year exactly at this time, BTC price was under 3k$,
Right now it's way better, so O hope for the better. Stagnation is good time to buy, not cry)


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: mitrajkt on June 18, 2018, 02:01:46 PM
No one knows for sure the answer, because the price rotation between ups and downs is unstable and has no fixed cycle and some experts just stick to their predictions.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: riaruhs09 on June 18, 2018, 02:36:39 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

until the markets found the bottom price,,
maybe we will see a good up price movement begin in the next month ,,  ;)

it seems that is going on, where the panic dominates the market so continues to decline. yes, hopefully this declined can end soon because I also feel very tormented by the current market conditions.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: mikaeltomcruz12 on June 18, 2018, 03:01:08 PM
I think no one can answer this in exact date. Because no one can tell when the bitcoin price will rise again for the whole cryptocurrency. I think only the billioner.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Fedrey on June 18, 2018, 04:10:12 PM
I think no one can answer this in exact date. Because no one can tell when the bitcoin price will rise again for the whole cryptocurrency. I think only the billioner.
The fact is that because of large whales there is an imbalance of the market. All the artificial manipulation of the price of the crypto currency, leads to the result that we have today.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: jackjackfly on June 18, 2018, 04:41:21 PM
The market is still in process of regulation, but all this has been done artificially, due to the high interest of people and because most of them were thinking these are easy money .

what we can do is just wait


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: krauzzer02 on June 18, 2018, 04:47:16 PM
We are just speculating that relies on the latest news and happenings around the crypto world we can't really say when will the bleeding stop, the only thing we can hold is our crypto that will profit someday, There are more factors to consider why the sudden crash occurs this month, it may be the exchange hack but that would not going to affect the market greatly, another thing we can consider is the manipulation investigations.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: wxxyrqa on June 18, 2018, 04:48:16 PM
The market is still in process of regulation, but all this has been done artificially, due to the high interest of people and because most of them were thinking these are easy money .

what we can do is just wait
you just propose to wait, but this is a manifestation of passivity and no activity. Any market or any business requires some kind of activity, so that the business does not fall into decay. I think that you can still direct your assets to trade and earn on the difference in price, as the market every day has fluctuations of more than 5%. It depends on the coin.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Memenya on June 18, 2018, 05:03:35 PM
Can take a while, I don't have a crystal ball so I can't tell you when it's going to recover. Maybe it will never recover at all. Stay liquid and have patience
Wait and patient is the key. We dont have any magic to show how long it will be but just need to be patience.
No patience will make us loss in the game. Not patient is better to quit from the party because it will probaby make us cry because of loss.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Markperop on June 18, 2018, 05:07:41 PM
Can take a while, I don't have a crystal ball so I can't tell you when it's going to recover. Maybe it will never recover at all. Stay liquid and have patience
Wait and patient is the key. We dont have any magic to show how long it will be but just need to be patience.
No patience will make us loss in the game. Not patient is better to quit from the party because it will probaby make us cry because of loss.
I'm already used to watching the growth and fall of the crypto currency in checkerboard order. Thus, 2016 was not the best year for the crypto currency. But in 2017 we showed a huge maximum peak in price growth. And as a rule, in 2018 again, a great loss or decline of the market.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: adam1230 on June 18, 2018, 05:11:34 PM
It seems that our floor for bitcoin is around 6000 usd so we are now in support and trend reversal zone.
So i hope its going to hit 10 k in a few months and this means 1000usd for ethereum.
Isn't it enough for you? (If you didn't buy at 20k :)


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: BestSSS on June 18, 2018, 06:08:36 PM
he fall of the market has been accompanied for a long time and despite the fact that in may there was an increase of almost 10 000 dollars in bitcoin, the overall trend is still negative and this does not give rest to traders and investors. Trading volumes are very small and open positions in long so wives are very few. This is still due to the semi-annual HYIP market and its huge pump. I think it should pass still some time to break the current downtrend and go up the hill. It's supposed to be autumn.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: blacktux88 on June 18, 2018, 08:26:46 PM
nobody could give you an stable answer but fact is that the market reactivated last year august ---> dez.
so we are good in time to see green percents soon



Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: heynikkki on June 18, 2018, 09:10:20 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!

The fall is a good sign for the future growth. As I have no doubts that more influential people will enter crypto market


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: OuterTech on June 18, 2018, 09:14:42 PM
I don't know why people keep asking about the reason of market price falling while it's not important to know the reason of this case. Beside I think they can easily know the reason by reading news about cryptocurrency ;D. As I know cryptocurrency is being investigated to see if it's share or not ;D


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Diablomania on June 18, 2018, 09:35:11 PM
it will continue like this for a few more months until the fud and the scare from all the people is over from here, but it can not be in just a few weeks like many people think here


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: KeithBeeCham on June 18, 2018, 09:46:11 PM
It's impossible to know when market will retrieve cause as I can see there are so many bad news for cryptocurrency and it affect a lot to price of cryptocurrency especially BTC and ETH cause they're the best cryptocurrencies on crypto market ;D. But don't worry cause I believe that everything will be fine at the end of this year ;D


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Oceat on June 18, 2018, 09:47:01 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
Nobody knows but my best guess is that it will stay for a couple of month before it goes up again and it so seldom to happen in crypto market because mostly it doesn't fall successively in the past few years. That's why we can't predict what is going to happen in the crypto market because it is so unpredictable.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: VclDm on June 18, 2018, 11:02:22 PM
nobody could give you an stable answer but fact is that the market reactivated last year august ---> dez.
so we are good in time to see green percents soon



Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
Although the downward trend of the cryptocurrency market has not stopped yet, I still believe that at the end of the year it will be time for the whole market to rebound strongly and many of the coins will be worth a lot. The growth potential of this market is huge so I will choose the potential and long term to hold until the end of this year, this is a very good time for investors to buy.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: thrylos on June 18, 2018, 11:31:25 PM
I believe it will last until July. Have you not notice most ICO out there will end up the month of July. Because of this I suspected that time August the bull run will take place and it will last until December up to first month of 2019.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: lifetimebitcoins on June 18, 2018, 11:50:50 PM
The present fall is the major fall for cryptocurrency as per the present raising demand once bitcoin see the bull run we can expect prices touch to previous all-time high prices


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: OnnoTunes on June 18, 2018, 11:57:57 PM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
The cause of this is always speculations. Whales do this for lowering prices and buying cheap. That means, the market will rise soon, when whales and other people who see the first rise wil come and buy back.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: t39 on June 19, 2018, 02:24:13 AM
The price goes up only when the demand exceeds the supply, and now it is not observed. All analysts, in all channels say that they do not see a reversal, so many sit waiting, because there will be a reversal, I think the price will fly up very quickly.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: doomloop on June 19, 2018, 08:17:52 PM
Just wait, we will reach Everest soon :)
Maybe few months of this bad market situation and then all will go to the moon, sir.
That is the peak of optimism and I believe the time will come when the values of the Bitcoin will rise high. Some experts have been predicting that it would cross $30000 as well. Actually the market never remains the same and a signal of price stability can attract good money which is what the market needs to appreciate the values. Besides, the trick to earn big lies in your current decision of holding your portfolio.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: mikyadel on June 20, 2018, 04:23:55 AM
i can't remember exactly the dates and price,but couple of years ago btc hit good number then fall like 50% or more from its ATH and stayed in bearish trend for 2 years. i know that won't happen today as its global recognition but that's normal and soon market will recover.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: sedihnya8 on June 20, 2018, 06:21:23 AM
Until when the market falls like this, I see the more the day falling and flushing.
What's the cause of all this, please explain to me friends!
the price in the market is often changing over time, I think this is a normal occurrence, the price will fall for a while and will recover. it is highly exploited by traders to gain profit in their trades


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Dilladupak on June 20, 2018, 06:32:28 AM
I think the market will not be long will rise better, because bitcoin prices are always increasing every day, so we are confident that the market will get better in no time.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Coinseeker22 on June 20, 2018, 06:49:16 AM
The market is expected to drop some more and it is expected to happen the whole month of June. There was a significant increase the date the you start this thread followed with a critical drop again. Now as to why this may due to people protecting their investment and profits and taking advantage of that pump and dump. i would say relax and wait a little more this is actually a perfect time to tap up your investments.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: jackjackfly on June 20, 2018, 01:46:35 PM
you just propose to wait, but this is a manifestation of passivity and no activity. Any market or any business requires some kind of activity, so that the business does not fall into decay. I think that you can still direct your assets to trade and earn on the difference in price, as the market every day has fluctuations of more than 5%. It depends on the coin.

I'm not having as much assets to influence the market))
But  I still do some shor tradings with new coins, or with coins received from bounty.  So I didn't meant waiting and watching. What I really meant is not to afraid of this process and just wait when it finishes


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Milamol on June 20, 2018, 03:11:54 PM
The market is expected to drop some more and it is expected to happen the whole month of June. There was a significant increase the date the you start this thread followed with a critical drop again. Now as to why this may due to people protecting their investment and profits and taking advantage of that pump and dump. i would say relax and wait a little more this is actually a perfect time to tap up your investments.
Why do you think that the market will drop some more? Now the market is on the support (BTC 6300, ETH 500), and growth is more likely. There may be small, but still growth.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: MartiniBlanco on June 20, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
Nobody can tell you how long the market will go down.. All market participant are only speculating about that but no body knows this exactly :) I think the the market could go down until winter, maybe it will go up again in october or november.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: airdagon on June 20, 2018, 04:02:50 PM
indeed the price in the charts continues to decline and redness, I think it is impossible to see the green market back in the near future. the whales are the ones that cause prices to fall as they do today. but, I think it will not last long. the price in the market will be green again after the coming bullish in August.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Malsetid on June 20, 2018, 04:11:06 PM
indeed the price in the charts continues to decline and redness, I think it is impossible to see the green market back in the near future. the whales are the ones that cause prices to fall as they do today. but, I think it will not last long. the price in the market will be green again after the coming bullish in August.

There's no point really in trying to figure out when this market will start to move upward since we cannot foresee what can cause it to move that way or to drop. Like what happened today. Bitcoin has been slowly moving towards the 7k point when the south korean exchange bithumb announced that it's security was compromised. Though the effect isn't as drastic as i expected, btc dropped back to the 6.7k mark. Just goes to show that there may be instances that will happen that will affect how this market would move so we can't tell which direction it will go


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: riboku0105 on June 20, 2018, 04:20:14 PM
It's normal to have a coin / token pump or dump on the exchange, but that does not reflect its true potential. You will soon see that.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: airdagon on June 21, 2018, 11:26:34 AM
indeed the price in the charts continues to decline and redness, I think it is impossible to see the green market back in the near future. the whales are the ones that cause prices to fall as they do today. but, I think it will not last long. the price in the market will be green again after the coming bullish in August.

There's no point really in trying to figure out when this market will start to move upward since we cannot foresee what can cause it to move that way or to drop. Like what happened today. Bitcoin has been slowly moving towards the 7k point when the south korean exchange bithumb announced that it's security was compromised. Though the effect isn't as drastic as i expected, btc dropped back to the 6.7k mark. Just goes to show that there may be instances that will happen that will affect how this market would move so we can't tell which direction it will go
not be looking to know about the market will move in which direction. indeed, no one knows where the market will move. but at least, I have indirectly spread the optimism for all users to stay calm with the current situation.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: usmanov123 on June 21, 2018, 11:42:40 AM
Both BTC and alts are kinda bottomed and I don't see them go a lot lower. It looks like a reversal can happen any time. We'll see


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: Dread Pirate Roberts on June 21, 2018, 12:21:03 PM
If you ask when and expect valid information. You'll never find it. Crypto is unpredictable . but good news makes it possible for prices to rise.
which traders can do usually when prices like this are kept with buybacks at a cheaper price to make a profit when prices start recovering.
indeed the price in the charts continues to decline and redness, I think it is impossible to see the green market back in the near future. the whales are the ones that cause prices to fall as they do today. but, I think it will not last long. the price in the market will be green again after the coming bullish in August.
Like this . you can see the predictions of others but not necessarily the facts because surely the statement is also based on expectations.
It's better to do your own analysis or through valid news or analysis


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: yslyv on August 07, 2018, 07:10:23 AM
ofcourse it is unknown. crypto market is very unpredictable and full of surprises. but as i checked previous years i dont see any reason for bitcoin to not to act similar as it did several times. i think that bear market looks about to end.


Title: Re: How long does the market fall like this?
Post by: alealeal on August 07, 2018, 07:30:18 AM
I think it should last 1 month this falling of market. We should just wait more and more. Bull season will come in one year. In this cryptocurrency, key is the be patient ıf market falls buy from deep ıf market rises sell from top just it nothing else this is simple. Nowadays we have wait more and more guys