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Let's imagine Vitalik Buterin just left the game.
Reason is irrelevat; either him not being happy with the ico scam shitfest ethereum has become, or personal commitments, and so on. But say he decided to leave ethereum today.

In such a scenario, obviously ETH price would take a nosedive of -30% to -60% as what happened previously could suggest (when someone spread the false rumor he was killed in a car accident).

But what I want to discuss which other coin would instead raise in price and I think one here has to analyze ethereum competition.

My bet is ETC, the orginal ethereum, for the solid team and steady no bullshit development. Also interesting to see it has been chosen by coinbase (and they didn't chose xrp or other in the top 10.. makes you think).

EOS - too centralized
ADA - still just a promise
NEO - progress has been too slow
KMD - I like this one but still can't compare to ETC

Your guess?

The reason Coinbase chose ETC was for the exact same reasons they chose BCH - as they are forks of already supported coins, it took the bare minimum amount of work to list them. It has nothing to do with the coin itself.

Also, given how shady the launch of BCH on Coinbase was, with prize freezes and insider trading, I'd be very of using Coinbase for anything ever again.

I am not a fan of Bcash, but saying that the main reason it was listed on coinbase was it being a fork of bitcoin is nonsense.

EOS is very good project, what it is some centralized is not problem.
I do not sense some benefits on decentralization crypto while

There's several problems with that. Cryptocurrencies are all about decentralization. Also SEC would definitely tag any centralized digital asset as Securities.

I do not think that vitalk will leave, they are already working on big upgrades and solutions for the scalability and massive adoption of eth, i think future value for eth will be huge, even if vitalik leaves this will crash the eth price for short term but then again the price will bounce back.

It's not a problem that your account can be frozen, your transactions reversed and your funds taken, all without your permission or any regulatory oversight? Honestly, EOS is worse than a fiat bank.

I agree. EOS has the limits of centralized bodies without their benefit of a regualtory body and connected regulatory framework. Worst of both worlds.

If it leaves ETH, it may have a significant impact on the price of ETH.
However, this does not mean that ETH will stop development, because ETH has a large technology development community, so I will continue to support ETH.

KMD is actually making the most progress and their tech is superior to the others listed.

I think ADA can replace ETH. ADA is great one and i think it will be awesome soon. TRX is trying to create something good.

I agree can in this scenario Ethereum classic will benefit more than other crypto for a leving of Vitalik Buterin.
Even also NEO and ADA cardano I think will benefit too but in minor way.

If he ever decides to have his own personal commitment like taking the job offer of google that's an amazing opportunity for him.

I wouldn't wonder why coinbase chooses those fork coins, they got plenty of it from their users so it's a benefit to them to adopt such forks.

Fully agreed with you. I believe that ETC has almost the same technology like ETH except a bit centralization which, I think, is also needed for ETH. So if ETH exists in future, it has the potentiality to replace ETH.

No, it's not. In that hypothetical case, it would not be the same if Vitalik left Ethereum for health or economic reasons than if he did it because he no longer believed in the project. In the latter case, it would have an impact, but if he left for reasons that had nothing to do with Ethereum, there would be no reason for anything relevant to happen in the medium or long term. Ethereum is already a fairly consolidated project.

Vitalik will eventually leave that is inevitable. he has hinted multiple times that he does not believe in ethereum's future in his tweets. specially last year there was a lot of drama because he was telling people how he will never buy ETH if he had the choice.
so far he has been working on ethereum only to have a big resume so that he can find a place in the banking cartel that is already supporting him with their millions of dollars and pumping ethereum..

when he leaves ETH price will take a huge hit. you say 60%, i say it will drop 90% specially from the current price. the real value of ETH is below $100 and without Vitalik it will be even lower because ETH has always been a big illusionary hype and each time that wall breaks people see what the reality is behind it.

Lol what opportunity??
Salary jobs are for losers and google is no exception. A creative genial neckbeard like Vitalik would whither in that feminist leftist dominated environment which is google.

And he wouldn't give a fuck about that salary anyway.

He was ****obviously**** joking in that tweet where he said to be considering working for goolag.

Yeah actually what made really made me think was when he not only endorsed ETC but hinted that these guys might be the ones actually making it.
He doesn't seem too happy about the way ETH is going and can't blame him for that.

I think, like the case with Bitcoin, when Satoshi leaves, because we're continuing to work and grow without him, and with Ehtereum it would be just the same, it is not dependidng on the person.

Then why did ETH price plummeted that day some rumors spread online about his demise in a car accident?
The market cares about him being part of Ethereum, and this is a vulnerability of ETH.
ETC doesn't have such one-man-project thing issue.

His place can take not only ETC, but also for example EOS, NEO. I do not know who will win this possible competition. I'm betting on EOS.

For me EOS is by far the LEAST likely competitor to succeed. And every week since they launched main net I get an extra reason to think so.

I can say that KMD (Komodo) will take the role of crypto world.
Komodo still undervalued. This is a good project. They have an atomic swap, dex, and dICO.

I do not think that in the near future it is worth thinking about the fact that such steep players will simply and quickly leave the game. If Vitalik leaves the game, it will be at the top of the price, and he will get so much money, he can skosque. I do not believe in Vitali's weak hands, he clearly knows what he is doing.

He won't post it if he isn't interested about it.

What he did, boasting? he has an interest about it and if salary jobs are for losers, working to a multi millionaire company is different from the traditional jobs that people are going everyday.

Google is an exception to salary job losers. We don't even know the offer, JD and everything. He can be offered there just to sit and become an asset to the company for doing nothing and get hundreds of thousands monthly.

They made him an offer, and he thought it was funny but then realized it's not.
He made enough millions to not be interested in any namejob.

I think if he would leave it will cause suck a huge FUD and some people will wild a way to capitalize on that. Demand is high and we will see som much new Etheriums it's hard to imagine.

Centralization is a huge problem and no one likes that. You may not see the benefit of decentralization for now, but over time, I am sure you will get to understand or maybe you just need to read more to see the advantages and disadvantages of both, and then weigh your options based on that.

In the case where something like this happens, which is practically impossible anyway, I would choose NEO as it is becoming to look good gradually with the way things are going and slow progress does not make it not to have a chance, but really if we are to look at a lot of things put together with ETC being a fork of Ethereum and can give it a faster development, it is likely to be the pick by most.

First of why are you going into such hypothetical situations. And you are even ready to kill Vitalik Buterin so that you could make money on your ETC holdings, that's really bad thinking. Also ETC doesn't has much development going on for it so even if ETH fails ETC isn't taking the bet as there are other bigger Ethereum competitors.

Lol have you had a look at their github?
There's plenty of activity going on with ETC, just no icos since they are deliberately avoiding that path.

NEO progress too slow?! I think that is incorrect. It has been 1 year exactly and it already has ICOs running on it's platform. The speed of the transactions is faster than ethereum and their signups are less scammy than the ethereum ones. NEO will benefit the most if ethereum falls.

What about new coins as Vechain, ICX, Qtum for example? Yes, it's young but they have a good team and wide support from community. Do you think that it have not chance? Maybe real projects is not in TOP10 only?

ETC is absolutely not interesting to investors,so it is not a competitor to Ethereum,but if deystivitelno acne fall out of the game and Ethereum will not be able to quickly return to the course,EOS or ADA will replace it.

ETH is coin number two! It is not possible to replace it at the moment! I'm sure that Buterin departure is fake news! You will see when the market breaks down, they will say that they have reached an agreement with Buterin and he has returned!

Funny in a way that why would a multi millionaire would like to hire him? he got an idea that he wants to use them to create their own blockchain.

The privilege is there but that what's on my mind playing about his "personal commitment", we don't know. He made millions and that's how millionaires make more money by doing a never ending high paying work/job.

Most recently, Charlie Lee sold all his litecoins. Many could judge that he distanced himself from his offspring. But the price has only grown. I do not think that one person can decide the fate of the whole crypto industry.

I am not sure what vitalik do if he leaves the ethereum, but if this happens, I think the ethereum's price can go extremely down, and maybe neo can take te place of it.

Lol

https://grayscale.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Grayscale-Ethereum-Classic-Investment-Thesis-June2018.pdf

"Completely uninteresting" my ass.
It's sitting at a market cap ridiculously lower than eth but also those other "futuure promise" coins (ada, neo, eos..) whilst etc devs team is doing a lot and even VB endorsed and praised them.

In the case where something like that ends up happening, I believe ETC or NEO will actually take the lead in such case. ETC still have a lot of prospect and there is no doubt about that, and that can give it a chance to get better at development without being overshadowed by Ethereum.

Vitalik leaving the game though is something that does not sound like could be possible at the pace Ethereum is going when there is still so much to get but at least based on assumption, that is what I would expect would play out.

I think the biggest beneficiary is EOS.
Since the main network of EOS has just been launched, there is a fierce competition between EOS and ETH.

I like ETC and believe it's a good project but many believe it will not survive because of ETH leading , no it will cost I only see ETC downtrend as normal by TA analysis and soon will boom like others when they are downtrending.

What might force Vitalik to leave Cryptocurrency? He has a large amount of ETH with him and that costs millions of dollars I think ( I have no evidence but he is listed as a Cryptomillionaire by several sources). That alone is the reason he will not leave crypto. He should be doing ways to make ETH more efficient.

I will be back to the litecoin. KMD just another anonymous coin and it's not comparable with ETC. At least will try to support ETC as a secondary ecosystem after ethereum. EOS is completely building a crap platform with 4 billion dollars has been throwing to the market everyday.
There was another one that you have not yet mentioned in your list and it's waves but it's totally bullshit just like EOS.

You actually make some valid points.
I like LTC, just it's usually been the silver to BTC gold standard and so I would lean more towards something else to be the Ethereum successor.

Yes even forgot to mention Waves because of how frivoulous it looks.

ETC in my opinion is one of the most underrated cryptocurrencies in the industry. It is a project that has very solid foundations, has a team of excellent quality that is developing it very well, but its value has never grown much. I do not know the reason for this poor appreciation of the market on ETC but in my opinion it is one of the projects whose value could grow more in the near future

I am sure even the OP is just saying that out of assumption and not a possibility because there is simply nothing that would make Vitalik drop his own boat for anything at this point of development when things are even getting rosy for the project. It is widely being used and getting huge support by the day, things are fundamentally going well for it, and that makes it impossible.

If we are to assume something like that happening, I would not be surprised that attention will shift to ETC but that would be in a scenario where there is no more development whatsoever on Ethereum protocol and everything looks dead.

I would not say it was listed because it is a fork, but in the other hand, it could have been for any other reason outside its development whatsoever. Also, irrespective of Vitalik leaving, I am not sure that would be the death or stall in development of Ethereum, and the last time I checked though FUDs don't last, and no matter what is used to drive the market down, it can still go up. ETH has reached the stage where we also have to focus on the good projects doing pretty well on the platform, so, that makes it still relevant.

EOS, ADA, NEO and KMD are also one of my favorite but I am more bullish with NEO right now. Vitalik buterin is a smart guy and I'm pretty sure that he will never or just leave ETH behind after all those hard works to develop the project. Still, if ever he leaves the team, there is a possibility that it might leave a negative impact to the platform and to its supporters. Let's just hope for the best and wish that ETH will back on track.

ETH is doomed to fail eventually and everyone, specially the developer of it knows that better than anybody else. it is a broken project that is out of hand at this point. sometimes you have to abandon and let bad things like this die so that a better thing can replace it.

i think ETC has the best chance at it also. because it is the original chain and also it can learn from the mistakes of ETH and don't repeat them. besides the blockchain is not that huge yet so it can survive the future unlike ETH with its huge blockchain!!!

It's hardly to say now, two weeks ago I whould say EOS, but now I obviously have nothing to say, this hell at the market confuse me and I'm just waining and watching the show. I think we need some time to look what will happen with ETH.

Nah NEO has died and not only in the price. It is clear to all that it hasn't been adopted.
Should be a lesson to ALL dividend giving crap coins or masternodes. There literally is no economic way to sustain growth.

I bet on vitalic next project so simple never tie one project to a person ethereum is a very big ecosystem no one can stop it vitalic is just a maestro

If that kind if scenario happen then the one that will get most benefit is neo. I agree that ada and eos are still promises, eos is worse because of the problem they have at the start, we don't know yet about ada but let's hope it doesn't follow eos. Neo is already working just fine and people will switch to them from eth.

None of the above because for me,this will favor my coins if the second top will die or drown deeper

Because for me it was only one,and this is bitcoin forever i will be very happy if vitalik buterin leaves

But i know this will never happen,because how could vitalik leaves ethereum when this is bringing profit on hes pocket

I doubt it will happen. Vitalik don't just simply left the game. There are many runner ups to mention that works their ass of to compete to the highest TPS.

First reason why Vitalik won't left the game because there's still a lot of things he want to accomplish (Plasma +Sharding) which aims to deliver up to 1 million TPS. After that, maybe Vitalik can now leave the game, lol.

as soon as ETH goes PoS there will be no profitable coin due to the huge amount of GPU mining altcoins.

There is no altcoin prepared to take the place of ETH. So , the moment ETH dies, mining profit dies with it.

Vitalik Buterin is not a mysterious person like Satoshi, so I do not think he will leave ETH.
But even if that scenario happens, I still believe that ETH will reduce the price initially, but then it will continue to grow and recover.
Because behind ETH are many other people, many other organizations and even a large pro-ETH community, not just Vitalik Buterin.
ETH will never be a hope in the future, it's just a secondary product, at least personally I believe so.

ETC is one of my favorite coins as it really undervalued and the price could be x10 easy in the next 2 years, everyone should hold etc as for my opinion

People common DOGECOIN XD ahahahaha

Will the Vitalik leave the Ethereum? Are you seriously? This project brings him very good money. I think that the probability of such an event is close to zero.

Ethereum is definitely one of my bet i like it its more stable especially this past few weeks. But personally I dont think he will leave he might add more investment to other altcoins that are popular and more lively to keep in the game of cryptocurrency but not leave,  i really dont think he will leave.

I think and believe that EOS will take the place. Yes it is a bit more centralized but its blockchain technology is much accepted and faster than other. However, ETC and ADA also have the ability to take the place.

Your topic is a bit misleading.  It's better to say "If Vitalik Buterin leaves... "
I doubt ETC can take the place of Ethereum because I'm yet to see ETC make an headway.  There are others that are coming up like Waves.

Would you leave a promising project? I think that this will never happen. Eth is the second most popular coin in the cryptocurrency world. We see that the number of forks has increased since last year, but now no one is interested in losing the already declining capitalization. It seems to me that Vitalik will look for any compromise not to divide the coin.

I agree with the opinion of the author of the topic. ETC is a highly undervalued coin and its value in the market does not reflect its real value, since the market is just speculation and no single coin can be properly estimated by experts. This year, or rather in the summer, ETC has a lot of events, after that we'll see where this coin turns out to be.

So, the bad false news that spreads about ETH often has a bad effect on the course. I like ETH and I see no reason why Vitalik Buterin should leave the team. He and the whole team earn good money in the project, so I do not think that he will go.

Neither NEO nor the KMD and ETC are not competitors to Ethereum,I would be considered only EOS and ADA alternatively without mining's, etc.

I am agree with you. EOS looks like the next blockchain after Etherium and probably will take it place in the nearest years. But I do not think that we will have sudden drop of ETH even if Vitalik will leave the project.

This is an unlikely scenario obviously, but Bitcoin will benefit the most if he does leave and the reasons are also pretty obvious. Many investors would lose interest in altcoins once Ethereum falls leading to a disapproval of altcoins themselves and Bitcoin's popularity as a legitimate cryptocurrency would peak even further helping it reach unprecedented highs. Investors would cautiously invest in all altcoins going forward and snatch up Bitcoins whenever possible. This is what I truly believe would happen, but Vitalik is not someone who would simply abandon his own coin out of the blue.

I don't think it will happen, but the only reason Buterin left Ethereum is the day he will die and it is still too long and by that time I guess that Ethereum have already a solid foundation like Bitcoin that doesn't need the lead developer to exist.

Because the market sees Vitalik as it's "CEO" in a sense, so that's the logical market reaction. IMO it's not much of a vulnerability, even more of an advantage I believe. People has the tendency to put their money on people rather than concepts abstract to them like in BTCBTCBTC.

My faith in ETC has been going on for a year and I still have it in my portfolio. This is a rare situation when you realize the prospects of the coin and expect the inevitable growth. Absolutely no doubt. Because the decision of coinbase was not a surprise for me. ETC can certainly replace Etherum.

Why you think it's an advantage?
If something happens to Vitalik or he leaves, the price will suffer dramatically. That's a vulnerability

The team of Ethereum consists not only of Vitalik. This is a very large-scale project which is not so much attached to the personality of Vitalik as before. I think that this project will exist and develop actively with any leader. But I'll never believe that Buterin can ever leave Ethereum by himself.