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For anyone out there interested in asking that Karpeles be removed from the bitcoin foundation board:

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-bitcoin-foundation-to-remove-mark-karpeles-from-their-board

it's right, such a thing shouldn't take a petition in my view, anyway this link would be useful too if one still needs to get a more precise idea about his professionality:  ;D


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465071.0

You remove one and another will take his place..

when i first checked out the foundation, all i seen was 'pay us this' and 'pay us that'
a bit like the NUJ, pay them money and they will continue to do fuck all for you.

I didn't post the petition.

I did sign it however as I can think of a couple of reasons this guy has proven himself unworthy to guide the ship.

That's me however, so whether or not anyone else thinks so, and decides to sign it, or not, is totally up to them, based on their own reasons for doing so.

He should resign or be removed one way or another.

Why do we even need a foundation?

I suppose one could make that argument, but in order to do so, they have to make it.  If you think that Karpelis is a good guy in all of this, lay out the reasons why. 

But I'll play.

Based on what I've seen, this transaction malleability is not a new issue, it wasn't just discovered by Karpelis or BTC-e


In his own words they implemented their own protocol.  He then seemingly turned around and threw his own Golden Goose under the bus to try to save face for himself when that was exploited.  That makes him, in my view:

1.  An incompetent manager for putting in place this protocol in the first place.
2.  An unprofessional, immature individual, clearly not up to the task ahead, which demands better.
3.  Pretty much an idiot as he's betrayed the very thing and community that has made him rich - and shot himself in the ass at the same time.  That takes a special kind of genius, as far as I'm concerned.


I think the market will sort this out, and that it has begun to do so.  Gox screwed up and they're going down in flames.  The others to follow will know better.  Others in the US have announced they are funding an exchange and that it is coming, so Gox and the others need to step up their game if they're going to survive.

See Chamath's tweet on Feb 10 to that effect:
https://twitter.com/chamath

Big Dogs are coming to town.  This shit will get cleaned up.


I do think that Karpelis was not up to the task, that his business grew beyond his abilities, resulting in an implosion that he handled poorly, and that he has earned himself a bus ticket out of town due more to his actions in the wake of this than anything else, however, YMMV of course.

Signed

I, for one, will never do any sort of business with Mr. Karpeles again. The immeasurable harm that he's done to Bitcoin based on his own gross incompetence and misunderstanding is unacceptable. As far as I'm concerned, he should be completely exiled from the Bitcoin community.

signed.

Also signed.



I don't think most people go back to gox after they've used it.

Mark we want our bitcoins back  >:( >:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob9Ak1t09Ao

Maybe we can petition to make BitCoinTalk the new Bitcoin Foundation Board

Do you really want all these newbs and fudsters on board?

hey price is on the up.. has Mark finally done the honourable thing with a samurai sword?

the foundation has many reasons for existing and many reason to exist, chief amoung 'em are:

1) to provide cryptocurrency industry leadership
2) to protect the integrity of the Bitcoin brand
3) to protect the security of bitcoin system of operation
4) to encourage worldwide adoption of BTC
5) to encourage development of ancillary support systems


I'm confident that the foundation has an about us page that would tell you their mission from their perspective.

BTC is only 5 years old, for each person on the board btc has literally changed their lives magnificently.  They are all leaders in their own right, so I can image its difficult to get things done beyond back-slapping bravado.   Nevertheless, without the foundation (the org) there is no foundation (the structure).

Replace them if you will or just make another one, you see their mistakes start a new and improved foundation, so what that it won't be the original it should be the better.

i've crossed out the points, in my opinion, which are not needed, or not working.

not that I care but there are others who should more be delisted from the foundation such as the vessenes guy

I think he realises this. It is doubtful he will release anyone's funds and perhaps less doubtful he will buy up the coins himself when they crash through the floor on gox.

As I saw from a recent interview from a Londoner with stuck coins, he couldn't care less and seems to be deferring any talks with any unhappy customers, indicating a high possibility of a runner once the media attention dies down. Until then, he's content to sit in his cstle and ride it out. :-\

come on guys , only 352 people believe that mark karpeles should be removed from the bitcoin foundation  ???

moment accounts.csv posted
i signed off from gox and all associated ventures permanently

originally i would have gone for a petition to remove people, but this is bitcoin. free markets don't work like that.

it's time for a new lobby group for crypto currency.

the market is big enough for a few, and bitcointalk should be it's forum, although lobbyists should be hired rather than big names from the community.

the money to pay for the lobbyists could be raised by a membership fee.

this is the only way forward that is going to give the community the professional status that it needs to grow.

feedback?


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I've thought the same thing.  I actually started a thread on that a few days ago and got zero responses.

I agree that bitcoin needs a lobby group.

and a legal team.

no other way to advance it, far as I'm concerned.  It is going to meet substantial headwinds from people that want to kill it.  the only way to fight that is to fight that.

Foundation represents the community i assume?

The community needs gox to process BTC withdraws.   

Unless you want to see damage to BTC? this will affect more than just the price

Price is up and down up and down up and down like always :)

Waiting for 1000$ :) just those all issues and bad news must be solved.

I have CryptoCurrencyLobby.com,  I'm willing to partner with you and the the community at large to put it to good use.

I was thinking earlier today that the campaign should start with a crowdfunding campaign so that it has a chance of getting funds and at the same time gets exposure for the specific cause of having community accountability from MtGox. 

Beyond that the lobby should seek to have a hands-off policy from world govts particularly when it appears self-regulation works.

 

I second this motion. Mark Karpeles needs to be removed from the Bitcoin Foundation. The longer he is on it, the more that it is a sham. Maybe he is giving them kickbacks.

given what we see occurring at Mt Gox, that is highly unlikely

He has single handily reduced the value of btc by about 20%, if anything he would be extorting them for, since he was bringing down everyone's values.

However, notice that MGs btc values are no longer aligned with the rest of the market, it has "forked" itself, and doing it's own thing, having very little influence on the rest of the market.   Which is why the 20% isn't 25% and growing.

MG is both becoming irrelevant and a major catastrophe at the same time.  If they fail expect btc to take another rocket ship to new heights after looking like it took a nasty nose dive.

Signed.

Gox should be banned forevermore.

-B-

I've had a post deleted also.

Bitcoin is about speaking truth to power as long as that power is not the bitcoin royalty, is that it?

Bullpucky. people on this forum should be able to speak their minds on these things, even if it isn't a viewpoint some necessarily agree with.  Any movement such as bitcoin isn't going to be all pom-poms and cheerleading routines, and I haven't seen anything suggesting anything all that radical.  Some people stated opinions.  BFD.

If the folks at the BTC Foundation can't take a bit of criticism, if BTC itself can't take a bit of criticism, this entire thing is dead.

Without proper checks on its leadership what is to stop the BTC foundation from turning into just another cloistered, corrupt organization?  I'm not saying that is the case now, but there has to be some system of feedback to help keep that from happening.  Free speech is part of that system.  If there is no system, BTC itself ultimately goes down a path led by a few individuals whose opinions and decisions are above reproach.  There is nothing but disaster down that road.  Whoever is censoring people's opinions here this is doing the entire movement a disservice.

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welcome to nazi bitcoinland.

Hmm nazi? are you crazy to mention this word here?

Connections are like milk to vodka.

^^ the entire point of being able to voice ones opinion and speak one's mind. some voices will offend some, it is a public forum. if you do not wish to share your opinions with others who have differing opinions, sit in a room and talk with yourself... which I can only presume is where Mark Karpeles is at the moment, sitting in a room talking to himself.

dont donate anything to the bitcoin foundation until gox sorts out its BTC withdraws, they know him, and they represent us.

Can we start a petition to put mtgox is permanent DDOS lockdown?

sorry, that's a stupid idea. people have money in there.

You should have a poll about that.

a friend who grew up in Russia but fled to the US when they finally let their jewish people leave said that they have a phrase there: "never ask for a new czar".  they've seen how doing so can make things worse. 

signed!
I hope this piece of shit will finally get expelled from the whole community.

Mark you are going down! :)
So sad, too bad..

Signed.

Greedy Gox has no place in the bitcoin future and Mark has no place in the community.

Signed but will this even do any thing I doubt it has he is the leader am I correct?

Only 72 more votes needed.

-B-

What happens when they get the 72 more votes?

Hopefully something will be done when we get 72 more signatures about his position at the board he is obviously not wanted by the community and should be removed.

It may not take the signatures for action to take place;

http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-may-headed-bankruptcy/ (http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-may-headed-bankruptcy/)

Signed, I hope the Bitcoin Foundation Board listen to this petition and take some action!

I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

IMO the sooner the better

i'm probably for this too.
i've never been big on groups, clubs, cults, sects, or foundations...

a bit like the National Union of Journalists, they take your fee and do fuck all for you. pointless.

Maybe not if they go under with everybodies money and coins.

the foundation holds people's coins?

i don't understand?

They own everybodies coins. JK. I got confused with gox.

gox confuses the hell out of me, you are not alone  ;)

It confuses my how they're still functioning.

they hold people's trust

This is the best idea yet.

nah, leave the foundation be, remember... children need to play in groups, adults simply observe.

What does the foundation actually do all I have seen is them claim all the donations they have had and never done anything big for the community.

Re-elect the entire board. No bitcoin company owners anymore. That's not healthy for the coin. Choose independent boardmambers. professors, visionairs. Believers, not earners.

That's a excellent idea. That way we wouldn't have any issues like the one in hand, we need to keep things like this separate from business members. I know a lot of the users here who would be doing a better job than the current members of the Bitcoin foundation. This process could also be continued as those who were previously elected go onto other things such as Bitcoin businesses would get removed by newly elected members, the election would have to be decided by the community though and not by a few certain people.

But Bitcoin believers will surely turn into earners over time, especially if they're smart.

Members who get elected every so often would be such a cool idea.

Agreed. Election of board members should be reminiscent of a direct-democracy.

Agreed we should decide who are members.

I have signed it too and agree with the above replies this needs to be done.

We only need 21 more siganatures I think we are going to do it!

Ah, ochlocracy. That makes nice entertainment. Maybe there should also be a petition to execute Mark in the public?

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hors d'oeuvres.

Mt. Gox 'Very Surprised Anyone Could Fault Mt. Gox Instead of Bitcoin Software' -- CEO Interview


https://twitter.com/mochi_wsj/status/435374811838046208



http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304899704579388483531937144?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304899704579388483531937144.html

Tar and feather the whole lot of them Mark is definitely public enemy #1.

I guess I can't believe he's continuing to dump gas on the fire. 

It would be nice if he stepped up and took his share of the blame for this, but if he can't handle that he could at least shut his pie hole at this point. 

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That's actually pretty funny trying to escape this disaster for their company.

This dude needs to wake up and watch out. When Gox goes under, which is inevitable, there will be people who are sufficiently angry at him and will proceed to arrange for him to sleep with the fishes.

I got late to the party, ergo I didn't sign it, but want to be on record that I sure the hell would have.

~Bruno Kucinskas

I think we could of got hundreds of more signatures but we have reached the goal and hopefully something will be done about it otherwise I have lost all respect for the Bitcoin foundation.

It seems to now be at 1,000 as the new goal, so anyone who didn't vote, now can.

Phinneus, you too!

Looks like its at 626 votes now.

whenever it reaches goal, it bumps up?

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could be.

here is the thread on the foundation's board. 

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/740-petition-to-remove-mark-karpeles-from-the-bitcoin-foundation-board/

You are very wise.  Yes, this site is known to delete or remove your post if you are critical of MTGOX.

again, I will reiterate;
Children feel the need to play in groups, where adults are content to observe.
let them play, until they grow up, it's just another pointless club.

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They're not bastards, they're twats.

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He really is clueless. Anyone have a link to the full article?

quote from an updated article in The Wall St. Journal

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20140217-704805.html

"In the email interview, Mr. Karpelès responded to questions about the company's solvency or protection for customers' funds by saying that the matter is confidential. However, he said the company had discussed its business model with Japanese authorities "to ensure that we are operating within the law here."



Confidential? BS.  Customers deserve to know if their funds are secure. 

"Sorry, sir, I can't tell you if you're about to get screwed.  That's confidential.  Where did all that money go?  Well, you guessed it, that's confidential too.  No, Mr. Karpeles can't be reached for comment right now as he's busy burning data, and burying mason jars out behind the building, but he will take your call in the order in which he decides it may help him, please hold." ::queue elevator music::




The answer to those questions is pretty simple. Yes, we're solvent, yes our customers have protection.

If he had the right answers, he'd be giving them. As soon as the legal shuck and jive starts you know it's trouble coming.

if you read the writing on the wall, if you read between the line, if you read the body language, if you read the charts, if you read btc forum posts, if you read media message it alllllll says the same thing -- Mt. Gox is in trouble.

Only Mt. Gox loyalist ask, and want you to be patient because they know that with time and a sharp surge in the market $800+ they will be able to kick start Mt Gox back into action.

People are STILL (TODAY) buying btc at Mt.Gox because the temptation is too great, the prospect of a $300 btc, that you can "soon" squeeze $600 - $800 out of is just too much to pass up regardless of all of the clear indications that it won't happen, much less anytime "soon".

Then they have lost my support and hopefully many others support.

Its a corrupt organsations has this proves it I used to support these and have actually donated but this is just terrible that they won't even make a reply to this.

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Guys.. Dont stress, I have a feeling something bad will happen to Mark in the coming weeks or months that will permanently take him out of the bitcoin ball game. He screwed over a bunch of nasty people and they will come for him.

P.s.

This is not a personal threat against mark, I have lost nothing due to Mark's stupidity.

Please tell me an ol timer such as yourself did not just come to this realization.

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This guy has to go.  Just look at him for starters.  Then look at Gox's actions.  Gox is basically single handedly destroying Bitcoin.  THe negative press and Gox crashing prices are happening, and it's like they don't care, they just send a stupid stalling press release.  And they say "Mtgox Team" at the end of the letter, so Mark can avoid responsibility.

Thank god! I was starting to loose faith in mankind.

Don't think anyone respects any member of the foundation.   :D :D :D :D :D :D They are a laughing stock.

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No one should be murdering any one what a stupid reply he just needs to be removed from the Bitcoin foundation and mt gox to be sued for millions.

i'll just leave this here;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476535.msg5255853#msg5255853 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476535.msg5255853#msg5255853)

So what, you sue him for millions, he declares bankruptcy and walks away with a usb drive stacked with BTC... hahahah.

No really, someone should shoot him and teach people that some of us still have backbones.. If I had money on GOX lost in the blackgoxhole and I was a criminal (like a fair amount of gox users are) I would find mark, beat the crap out of him, give him 24 hours to get me my coins or I'd come back and finish the job.

but that's just me.

This is why Bitcoin gets such bad press because we got people like you who just wants to act violently and you wanted to be the new spokesman for the new Bitcoin foundation I don't trust you any more than I trust mark.

Actually, people do still kill, its just that the whole snitch thing has gotten out of hand so people are just killing a little bit less.

STOP SNITCHING!

Fine, I dont care, trust someone who lies and steels. At least I speak the truth!

I would trust some one who would steal and lie more than someone who promotes killing someone geto out of here you vile human being.

I was thinking about this over the last week and if they do screw their customers (more than they have already) the best thing Mark can do is get himself arrested by confessing everything. Mark does not strike me as a man that will do well in prison let alone on the run but If he runs I doubt his number one fear will be the police.

The man surely must sense the danger he could be in if he is not 100% legit.


P.s.

This is not a personal threat against mark, just an observation of a dangerous situation he might one day be in. I wish him good health and good luck getting Gox back up and running.

LOL, ok so dont cry when your coins are stolen and you're broke on the streets with a bitcoin qr code printed on your "hungry and homeless" cardboard.

LMAO... I too agree that hes not the prison or on the run type of guy. But he does have mega millions worth of BTC stashed away and with that kind of money running could be fruitful.

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I honestly am worried for the man. I'm worrying needlessly for him no doubt and I expect all that rubbish and rumors you hear about wetwork payments conducted in bitcoin are just cyber myths.

Anyway I do have Coins on gox and as a decent human being the only option I have is to hope gox sort this all out and if they don't I guess I just have to take the loss on the chin.

Killing someone wont get you your money back. It usually guarantees the opposite.

So you would call yourself a pushover?

But it assures others that force will be used if you think you can walk all over us.

GREAT. headline: Bitcoin uses deadly force to anyone who double crosses them.

Do you want Bitcon to fail we are not all criminals.

I would call myself someone that's not going to get arrested on a murder charge because of some silly crap written up on a forum should he turn up dead one day. Its very easy to act tough on the internet. So easy you could say its pointless.

If someone comes into my home to take money that is mine I will shoot them.

If Mark took bitcoins that were mine I'd want to shoot him.

You need to start taking control because if you dont who will?

Kill a man over money? You're no better than Mark Kerpeles...

Kill a man over principal.. I'd kill him if he broke into my house to take a bath!

I always found it shady why an exchange CEO would be on the board of the bitcoin foundation. He could easily provide insider information regarding the market. IMO, exchange staff should never be on the bitcoin foundation.

Yeah, that totally makes perfect sense as the CEO if an exchange would be privy to info that others are not privy to.

I understand people being pissed off.  I agree that by all appearances Gox has really screwed the pooch on this one, and that Karpeles has further aggravated that by continually opening his yapper, but I can't agree that taking things to this sort of level is by any stretch the way to solve the problem or improve the situation, for Gox, it's customers, or for Bitcoin.  


If that is people's opinion, I'm not going to tell them not to voice it, although I'd prefer to see the thread continue as a discussion point for this situation as it develops, and it is far from over.




Aside from all that I do think things are looking very bad for Gox right now and seem to be getting worse.  How they can survive this as a business I don't know.

If they survive its going to be due to all the cheap bitcoins Mark is buying now on his own exchange.

Dread Pirate Roberts, is that you?  ;D

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lol, I agree, we can't just kill everybody who runs a shitty business. That would really tarnish bitcoins name.

I think it may well be going on.  I think Gox needs to be shut down right now.  Frozen completely to preserve data and prevent further manipulation.

It has clearly spun out of control and anyone can see the motivations for those running Gox, if they are dirty, or if they already think they are past the point of no return, to be burning data at a furious pace right now, as well as buying up and transferring out any cheap bitcoins they can get their hands on.

on the other side of that equation are people selling their coins to convert them into cash, as cash will be easier to sue for than bitcoin, so, yes, I can see how that could well be going on right now, as we have sellers trying to get out of their positions and those inside Gox are the only ones with the ability to move coins out, so I'd agree that the situation seems to be ripe for it.

yes, its me.. I speak to you from behind the falls and barbed wire. I'm using an Iphone that I had smuggled in for my by one of the CO's. and it only cost me 0.659 BTC at the time..

This thread cracks me up. Page 1 is about a petition to remove Mark. By page 7 people are calling for his execution.  :D

Please go and sign the petition. No matter what happens with Mt. Gox, I don't think it is appropriate for Karpeles to stay on the board, given his attempts to blame the problems of his exchange on the bitcoin protocol.

Hey Mark if your reading this check this out http://armstrongsecurity.co.uk/component/content/article/36-services/289-bodyguard-services-japan.html

Dont say we dont care bout ya buddy. ;D

You wont go far wrong with some X Royals on your team.



Note: May contain sarcasm  ( not about the X Royals since there bad ass ) 

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bitcon dont need liar and thelf

bitcons need more elves

I'm not sure a petition will do much good.


Thelf lol.

Lol :D I've seen him! should I call the cops?

I believe so!

call his mum, she didn't sign the release form.

IF his bitcoin enterprise fails he can always go back at exchanging magic the gathering cards.

1,348 Votes as of right now.

Im not trying to ruin Mark's day or anything (even though he's ruined many others days), but 1300 votes is a miniscule amount given how many people are involved in Bitcoin.

What publication / interface does this need to be placed on, to get more traffic?

Are people tweeting / FBing ?

-B-

SIGNED

Only about 150 more!

Signed.  He needs to go, no question asked.

You've got a lot of support coming in from the Dogecoin community on Reddit. Someone posted the petition info there /r/dogecoin

I wish Mark a horrible dealth. I wish he suffer great deal of pain until his body gives up and dies.


Thats all i can say about this scum

I wonder what the Foundation is waiting for?
He should have already been expelled.

Please guys, his passion is magic the gathering cards

Please dont interfere with his capital raising endeavor to build the REAL mt gox

The foundation doesn't seem to stand for the bitcoin community - they rather stand for themselves!

Yes. Thank you shibes, great community  :D

I'm not sure why we don't get rid of them. Protest. The media will strike them down. That CEO that got arrested for money laundering, now Karpeles, come on..

He called the cops on the protesters

He can't call the cops on the forum.

Is that true?  What's the latest on the protesters?
I suppose in Japan you can't just stand in one place for a long time holding a piece of paper?  I think that would be allowed in the US...(although who knows nowadays)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yirsx/so_police_comes_to_the_protestors_what_is_next/

Doesn't matter.
All is good.

I don't think they've returned though

It says Monday, today is Friday.

It's the weekend.  We should send them to that strip club that takes bitcoin.  A little R&R is well deserved, I think.

R&R? Are they part of the military?  :D
Although we should send in donations as support.