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Does anybody know of or have contact with user "Protrader"??

He started a thread to sell Bitcoin - got a number of responses - and communicated for a while - took payment from me for some coin - and has stopped communicating now that his delivery date of February 20th has passed.

I've not received my paid-for coin.

I've PM'ed him,  responded to his thread - and gotten nothing.

The trend is not good - if I don't hear from him shortly Paypal is getting contacted to reverse the charges.  Which may screw him over if he is legitimate.

Besides the fact I'm not receiving what I paid for - I had a purchase lined up that the coin was going to be used for - so now that is in jeopardy too.

Better earlier send the disput to PayPal.

Didn't see this one coming ::)

Yeah - probably should have seen it coming , but it seemed legitimate.  I've seen a few other sellers here that just screamed scam.

The Paypal dispute has been filed.  I'll have to wait to see what happens there.

One of the coins I was purchasing from him was for a friend who is a NSA certified hacker (he's on the watchlists and listed on their site).

He's not happy.  Neither am I.

But since you're obviously a veteran member here - what is the best way - or a good way - to buy Bitcoin?  I've setup a Coinbase
account - but they're taking forever.  I had a purchase I wanted to make with these coins and didn't want to wait as long as Coinbase
was going to take to get me coins.

Scammers are scum.  >:(
Unfortunately, so is PayPal. I doubt they will be much help, they may even suspend your account. All kinds of crazy stuff happens with PayPal.

100% agreed. If Paypal weren't scammers, they could even be helpful in doing trusted USD transactions.  >:( Imagine how fruitful a Paypal based BTC escrow service could be to the community.

Paypal has recently came down hard on the bitcoin associated transactions, so watch out. And you could us localbitcoin or other sites that allow you to deal in cash or escrow for you. You could buy locally with them.

I signed up for Coinbase - and was going to buy from them, but they were going to take forever and a day to get me the coins. I had a transaction for goods that the user wanted to conduct in Bitcoin and this guy (Protrader) was promising to deliver sooner rather than later.

Now I've beened screwed out of a good amount of $$ - and probably lost the opportunity to purchase the item.

The name on the PayPal account was Nishant Thapa.   Protrader or Nishant or whomever he is - I hope he's happy that he got a bunch of money.  Because he just paid me to abuse him for an awfully long time.

I have to say that I did.
He contacted me on PM and I turned him down because it sounded extremly fishy.

Not sure wheter to be happy about it or ashamed as I was scammed before for thousands of dollars. Guess the education is paying off.

Try localbitcoins.com

They have escrow, its pretty safe if you use your brain :)

I signed up for Coinbase - but had a deal I was looking to close and they were not going to deliver coins for more than a week.

I looked at Localbitcoins.com - and pretty much all the deals there seemed like crazy prices.

The thread Protrader started seemed to already have a decent amount of activity - including people who looked to have been active here for some time.  I guess I should have been more suspicious - and I definitely will be the next time.

I have to say though - this site is a little strange.  After posting in the original thread I have gotten NO response whatsoever from any of the other people who posted there  indicating they had a problem.  So that alone makes me suspicious that the other posts may have been part of the scam.  User Protrader however magically gets a minus six on his Trust rating - but nobody is owning up to doing it.

Plus I just looked - and Protrader is still a user here and shows last activity as being just this morning.

Does this place not police it's members at all?  I spend time on a number of sites - and haven't run across a single reputable one that doesn't come down on members who pulled the kind of stuff Protrader has.

Protrader:  if you read this - either send me the coins I paid for - or refund my money.  Either one of those things makes me go away.  Choosing any of the other ones make me keep pursuing this thru whatever avenues I can find.

He has always been a shady poster. Always offering deals but never seen him make a successful transaction.


You should probably post this in Scam Accusations.

Hi, Protrader make new userID for this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=486129.0

that is not me. im not afflated with protrader. stop spreading false info.

Don't lie, dude !!!  ::)
After protrader scammed, you just make new ID again.

its good tip because if you are going in with bitcoin then they are not going to help you any more

Hello members,

I am not a scammer,

Paypal ripped me for bitcoin trading they placed a hold on my account as well as my money $16500, and i also not able to withdraw,send,refund any amount.. i tried everything to solve this problem but at the end they decided to suspend my account for lifelong..
I didn't stole anyones money all dispute & chargebacks already refunded through paypal,if i want to scam i definitely fought against disputes/chargebacks but i didn't, because that was the only option left to refund money.

I AM EXTREMELY SORRY FOR YOUR TIME LOSE BUT I AM NOT A SCAMMER !!

hope you all understand my situation and remove my negative trust.

I will remove any negative comments when you send me the Bitcoin I paid for - or my money back.

Here's the facts of the matter:

You started a thread where you offered up Bitcoin. 

When I responded and said I was interested you sent me an invoice and sent you money for 1.5 Bitcoin

You said the Bitcoin would be available on or around February 20th.

February 20th came and went - both in your time zone and in mine.

February 21st came and went - both in your time zone and in mine.

I posted messages in your original thread and sent you PM's and sent emails to the address that was listed on the PayPal account.

I got NO RESPONSE AT ALL.  From ANY of the messages I posted or PM's and emails I sent.

So on Feb 21st - the Paypal case was filed.

And yet I still heard nothing from user Protrader.

February 22, 23, 24, 25, 26.......  etc, came and went.....

And still -NOTHING happened.  I got no Bitcoin sent to me, and I got no money back.


So now user Protrader sends me a PM and and deletes my posts - and complains that his Paypal account is suspended.

I'm not feeling it Protrader. You could have fixed this by simply replying - and sending me my money back - or (as I've said multiple times) - sending me the Bitcoin I paid for.

If you are dealing with a scumbag - and he screwed you - that's not my problem.  My problem is the money I sent you.


The fact that other people have neg repped  you and that other people posted in  your original thread indicating that you did the SAME THING TO THEM - was more than enough evidence for me to consider you a scammer.

Here's a piece of advice:  If you don't want people to consider you a scammer - stop acting like one.

Get me my Bitcoin - or send me my goddam money back.

Could you please post a link to the thread, some form of proof of payment (e.g. screenshot of the payment), etc. so we can verify all this? 

Thanks :)

I've had like 5 paypals frozen over the years, they still let you send refunds.....

When I put in the case - I did not mention that I was buying Bitcoin - I said the person I had sent the money to promised to deliver  a service to me by February 20th and had failed to deliver and was COMPLETELY unresponsive to any attempts I made to contact them.

I haven't heard back from PayPal yet - the case is still open.

Judging by Protrader's posts here - they've already frozen his account.

I'm still not very hopeful I'll get the money back.  I'll have to see what PayPal does.

I noticed that Protrader's rating has gone from -6 to -4 ,  does that mean he resolved his issues with other people?

More evidence that makes me believe that Protrader is full of schite.

You admit that you have $16,500.00 in your account.

Which is another way of admitting that you have my money and could have refunded it when  you failed to deliver what you said you were going to deliver.

Then user MrPiggles points out that even though your account is frozen - you could still issue refunds.

Which you have failed to do since February 20th. 

Which you have failed to do even though I have posted here on this forum MULTIPLE TIMES, PM'ed you MULTIPLE TIMES, and emailed you MULTIPLE TIMES - that I would go away and consider this resolved if you simply sent me my money or sent me the Bitcoin I paid  YOU for.

I'm not going to ask forgiveness for being of the opinion that you're full of schite.

Give me a refund - or give me my coin.  The solution is simple.  This situation is only going to continue to get worse the longer it goes on.

People, don't buy into that bs!!!

Exactly.

I just checked my PayPal account for the status of the case that I filed - so far - nothing.  User Protrader has not responded.

According to Paypal he has until March 3 to respond (it's now March 2 in my timezone).

So let's reiterate what's going on here - just to remind Protrader that he has an option to make this all go away.

As a previous post in this thread has already stated:  User Protrader could still send me a refund even though his account is locked.  He has refused to do so even though reminded MULTIPLE TIMES that by doing so all of this would go away.

He has until tomorrow to still do so - and I would consider the case closed and withdraw my complaint.  This might unlock his Paypal account - which BY HIS OWN ADMISSION has $16,500 in it - which means he basically has admitted that he has my money and is basically refusing to refund it - even though - also by his own admission - he has not fulfulled his end of this deal.

So user Protrader is (one again) demonstrating that he has no interest in resolving this issue on an amicable basis.

Let me reiterate ONE MORE TIME:  Protrader -  you could have avoided all of this by simply sending me a refund when you were unable to fulfill your end of the bargain - or you could have sent me my Bitcoin.  In fact - you could have even STILL SCREWED ME OUT OF MONEY - and I likely would have been happy. Because during the time while you held my money the price of Bitcoin dropped down into the low $400's because of the Mt. Gov fiasco - and you had sold me Bitcoin at $600.    So if you had even responded to me you likely would have been able to string me along - STILL DELIVER what you promised - and still have screwed me out of some of my money.

Do you understand now why I am going to continue to pursue this until I get resolution?  Seriously - what is wrong with you?  Are you retarded?

Yet again

Instead of this pissing contest that is going nowhere, someone post some damn evidence backing their claims.

I think I've posted sufficient evidence to show what happened.

If you check the original thread Protrader started to sell bitcoin - all of the other responses in the thread have conveniently been deleted.

Paypal ended up refunding the money I sent Protrader - and he is now sending me PM's asking me to withdraw my "allegations".

I don't see how sending somebody a lot of money - and having them not deliver what they said they would deliver - and go completely non-responsive
right at the time when they should have been delivering what they were paid for  - as something that should just get a pass.

I don't know why you perceive this to be a pissing contest.  It's simple.  Protrader said he would deliver something. He got paid to deliver something (1.5BTC).  He didn't do that.  When he didn't do that - I tried to contact him and ask him why. He didn't respond.  I contacted him again and again and again. He still didn't respond.  I went to Paypal and logged a case. Paypal found in my favor.  Protrader never delivered what he said he was going to deliver.  I got my money back.

Maybe the next time he'll do what he said he was going to do. Maybe not.  Judging by the responses I got from some other members here he's done this before.

I already refunded money SO PLEASE DROP YOUR ALLEGATIONS  ...

You didn't refund my money.  I had to log a case with Paypal and they basically took it back from  you.

As has already been explained in this thread MULTIPLE times - you had a chance - multiple chances actually - to respond to me when I tried to contact  you about where my Bitcoin was,  and you had chances to either refund my money or get me the Bitcoin I paid you for - you didn't do any of these things.

Maybe you need to go look up the definition of the word "allegations".

Because what I see are not allegations but facts.

And I'm not the only one because I had at least two other people say you did exactly the same thing to them.

You keep PM'ing me to "drop my allegations" - but from where I stand - you tried to screw me and almost got away with it.

Seems like other people had the same experience because your trust rating is MINUS EIGHT.

What am I supposed to do - make this all go away so you can screw somebody else?

Have you had any successful trades?  Where are the people coming to your defense?

I sell stuff online all the time - when one of my customers gets pissed off about something - I try to make it right. I don't ignore them until they come after me and then get pissed off when they screw up my other deals.

As far as I'm concerned you STILL haven't made this right and the ONLY reason I got my money back was because I had to log a case with Paypal.  If it wasn't for that - I would STILL be waiting on  you.

Also experienced problems with Protrader where he promised to refund money and I didn't receive anything.

Until people started sharing their problems with him here he was replying sometimes on skype, but since then no response at all.

I can provide skype logs, but that doesn't really show much.

Seems I'm not the only one................

I wonder who the other 6 people are who contributed to his minus 8 rating