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Title: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 05:30:43 AM "All it takes for evil to win is for good men to watch and do nothing."
I'll get your attention with this, but this gets pretty lengthy so please read through it all thoroughly. https://i.imgur.com/BscnoUd.png He is scamming me for $840 now. 7 weeks = $840 in potential money from the campaign he agreed to reinlist me in. He seems to think that me being scammed to 18 posts instead of 25 and me saying I'll give him 24 hours to resolve it or post the scam accusation is blackmail. I thought that was being nice instead of posting it immediately (because I was being scammed like 0.0042 BTC). Then he scammed me potential earnings of the campaign after agreeing to make everything right from his error. https://i.imgur.com/Qde3zKM.png https://i.imgur.com/IDi0Kx7.png To start off, I am not necessarily opening a scam accusation for being kicked out of the campaign (even though it was in error of the campaign manager). What happened:: The campaign managers miss-counted daily posts and kicked me out of the campaign, shorting my payment as well. Then he proceeded to try and do a cover up by extorting the money that I am owed if I did not delete posts. :'( :'( :'( Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137185 Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4794752.msg43253496#msg43253496 Amount Scammed: Campaign would have totaled $960. Actual amount was .0108 - .015 so 0.0042 for first week of campaign Payment Method: Bitcoin Proof of Payment: Not yet sent I don't think. He's extorting me now. PM/Chat Logs: All of his PMS Pictures https://imgur.com/a/4bbfcCJ All of my PMS Pictures https://imgur.com/a/5lpND7Q In the Bitcasino Signature thread, I have asked you to submit a new BTC deposit address (not a Bitcasino.io address). ===============================Please post the new address in the official thread. I will need this from you today if you would like to be paid and remain in the Campaign. Thanks Nice of you to absolutely blow this out of proportion, even though you are in the wrong. ==================================I can remove anyone from my Campaign for whatever reason I choose; I don't even have to explain why. For your case, you made 12 posts in a 24 hour span, which is AGAINST THE RULES. Maybe had you read them, you wouldn't be in the place you are now. So stop with all the immature drama, these Campaigns help participants pay bills. And I will be forced to stop offering Signature Campaigns if this childish nonsense from you doesn't end intimidate. Then to make matters worse for you, you send me a PM threatening me that you will report me ( Cry) if I don't pay you what you're owed. You're lucky that I'm even CONSIDERING sending you .0108 because on top of not following the rules, you are attempting to slander myself and Sportsbet. My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE. I made a mistake. ================================Please delete all of your negative posts, and I'll get ya paid today. My apologies. Yes, Amends =========================You need to delete all of the last posts you made. =============================Please do it NOW ==============================If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment. =================================And you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like. You'll get your payment. That was my mistake. ====================================But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns. Excuse me, but you're getting what you wanted. Payment for 25 posts. ======================================So now because I'm removing you from my Campaign (even after being fully paid), you're going back on your word and re-opening something that I already admitted I was wrong. Trust me bro I can report you for extortion and threats just as easily as you can. You're just upset that I booted you from the Campaign. ======================================You're too much of a jerk to ever be allowed in my Campaigns again. I can also rest assure you that I have many friends on here who manage campaigns, and they will all see your work. You are a big drama queen. I don't think I even should have to pay you, and your threads of reporting me don't worry me at all. If I were to pay you, you'd repost your shit and cry foul. Now mine: I will order these to be read as they were sent later. Ok I put in a new address on the thread. =============================Why was I removed from the campaign? ===============================Btctalk name: WaffleMaster Rank: Hero Bitcasino.io BTC Wallet Address: 38sLeBE2MCgAVtvByf5YXHDuWyf1NRKRHw Wear Appropriate Signature: yes Wear Personal Text: Yes Wear Avatar: Yes Unfortunately, WaffleMaster has to be removed from the Signature Campaign. Different websites have different variables and elements that need to be loaded into the program. So it's pretty reasonable to assume that it won't work very well or at all for other websites. You'll likely need separate programs for that. Which is in the time frame, and perhaps I miss counted and only have 24 posts for the week 24-31 July 3AM EST. But to only credit 18 is a big mistake by you and verifiable as false by looking at my post history. If I'm kicked out of the campaign for not meeting the deadline by 1 post because I confused the UTC time of the forums with EST that's fine. Waiting for your response.I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just made a mistake in not paying me appropriately, and then removing me from the campaign in error because you believe I only have 18 posts instead of the. ============================You will have 24 hours to respond and correct the error or a scam accusation will be opened up on your name and campaign for shorting me payment. I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules. =================================The campaign ends in EST time. The forum shows my posts daily are not exceeding 8. IF you do not recognize forum time for counting posts daily like everybody else, it should be stated in the rules. Your rules do not state otherwise. Since you have now formally responded, threatening to not even pay what you think I am owed (reality is 25 posts) I am forced to open a scam accusation against you for shorting me. =====================================These will be included, along with extremely more detailed information. Ok, thank you for understanding. ==================================Yep all gone. I was archiving them and had twice as many to go through as you. ==========================================Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices. ============================================I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules. Everything is not made right, you are continuing to discharge me even after acknowledging your error. And now you threaten false reports. Unbelievable to be honest. Good thing these are archived and 100% proof. And by the way it's not extortion, you wanted me to delete everything because you agreed to make everything all right. And then you proceeded to go back on your word. So now there's also that. Quite a predicament you've created for yourself with the initial error and now all these threats, lies and going back on your word. =====================================If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment. YOU EXTORTED ME FOR SERVICES I ALREADY RENDEREDAnd you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like. If that's how you feel. I'm afraid now with your extortion and intimidation of holding funds I can't keep quiet about this and must post it. I have done nothing wrong, you've made all the errors and extortion. I simply wanted things to go back to normal. ============================Additional Notes: This is despicable and I am shocked that something like this has happened to me. I just wanted everything to go back to normal after he acknowledged the mistake and we were making amends and everything will be made right. But now look as he is going back on the agreement made. PS: Oh and about me thinking I had 24 posts, it was because I did subtraction from 30-6 to get 24. When I individually counted there was 25 posts in the time frame specified by the rules. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: yahoo62278 on August 01, 2018, 06:49:27 AM The campaign manager has the right to toss you out if he feels you are not contributing the way they want you to. I looked at your history and looks to me like you followed all the rules though. No more then 8 posts a day and more then the amount of characters needed.
Only argument he has is quality and that's his decision there. I do see your last 6 replies are duplicate replies though and a bannable offense according to the forum rules. Maybe be a man and take his decision as final word and stop being a baby over it. **EDIT** Looks like you deleted the duplicate replies Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 06:58:28 AM The campaign manager has the right to toss you out if he feels you are not contributing the way they want you to. I looked at your history and looks to me like you followed all the rules though. No more then 8 posts a day and more then the amount of characters needed. He was duplicating on every post, I simply had to respond to his duplication. I would have gone back and edited every post to be unique. He requested me to delete all of them as we were making amends. That was another lie of his. Reposting soon so people know of his campaign practices. He's admitted fault to me so.Only argument he has is quality and that's his decision there. I do see your last 6 replies are duplicate replies though and a bannable offense according to the forum rules. Maybe be a man and take his decision as final word and stop being a baby over it. **EDIT** Looks like you deleted the duplicate replies As stated in other posts, which may not have been in this one because I DO go back and make things non duplicate, or construct them non duplicate if I have time. "To start off, I am not necessarily opening a scam accusation for being kicked out of the campaign (even though it was in error of the campaign manager)." Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 07:07:06 AM The campaign manager has the right to toss you out if he feels you are not contributing the way they want you to. I looked at your history and looks to me like you followed all the rules though. No more then 8 posts a day and more then the amount of characters needed. Only argument he has is quality and that's his decision there. I do see your last 6 replies are duplicate replies though and a bannable offense according to the forum rules. Maybe be a man and take his decision as final word and stop being a baby over it. **EDIT** Looks like you deleted the duplicate replies Thank you Yahoo- I made a mistake, and he started going psycho posting. Once I admitted to making a mistake (doesn't happen very often), I told him he would be fully paid. He then said he would close his false accusations (false since they were rightfully solved). So now, I want to toss him for not only acting up, but because it's my Campaign and I can drop who I want without having to waste my time explaining it. Now, he is blackmailing me and saying that if I drop him from my Campaign, he will re-post all his false accusations. This man is an extortionist and needs to be negative trusted. He is only making it more difficult on other participants because I will be canceling my Campaigns soon on account of his actions. How can someone fill out a "scam accusation" when they were fully paid for their work? Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 07:11:08 AM Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 07:17:16 AM First I sent this message:
https://i.imgur.com/uO6WQHT.png What are you even trying to accomplish, other than being let back into my Campaign (which you can forget)? Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 07:17:48 AM First I sent this message: I'm quoting the entire private messages now. People will see it all and they can decide themselves. Your extortion still stands as valid.https://i.imgur.com/uO6WQHT.png What are you even trying to accomplish, other than being let back into my Campaign (which you can forget)? Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 07:19:41 AM I'm done with you.
Even if I pay you, you will continue to attack me and attempt to tarnish my reputation. You need to accept that fact that you are a difficult person to deal with and need to learn how to handle situations differently. You can't blackmail me into allowing you to stay in my Signature Campaign. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 07:25:52 AM It's not blackmail or extortion like you threatening and withholding funds you agreed to send. It's not reputation tarnishing when all I'm doing is posting what you've said to me and what I've said to you. Everything, uncensored. I don't understand your attacks against me after we agreed to make everything right per my "amends possible" agreement. You made a mistake, acknowledged it, and were going to make everything right again but then went back on your word. I can't, in good conscience, accept anymore offers from you and need to display what you've done to me.
Scam accusation opened. I will repost this thread as I have it archived in text form. https://i.imgur.com/BscnoUd.png https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.msg43258013#msg43258013 Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 07:35:07 AM You can't string me along as you think you can.
I agreed to the "amends" and told you to delete the FUD within 5 minutes so I could submit your name on the spreadsheet. Which you did, and I added you. Then you threatened me with "re-opening scam accusations" if I dropped you from my Campaign. You have absolutely nothing to be bitching about and I have absolutely zero obligation to acknowledge you or pay you. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 07:36:51 AM You can't string me along as you think you can. I agreed to the "amends" and told you to delete the FUD within 5 minutes so I could submit your name on the spreadsheet. Which you did, and I added you. Then you threatened me with "re-opening scam accusations" if I dropped you from my Campaign. You have absolutely nothing to be bitching about and I have absolutely zero obligation to acknowledge you or pay you. Here are all my and your private messages, uncensored. Pictures of them coming soon, but here's all the text quoted. Let me know if you find anything regarding me as threatening. And no you didn't add me back, as you stated in the PMs. You can stop now, it's all out there. In the Bitcasino Signature thread, I have asked you to submit a new BTC deposit address (not a Bitcasino.io address). ===============================Please post the new address in the official thread. I will need this from you today if you would like to be paid and remain in the Campaign. Thanks Nice of you to absolutely blow this out of proportion, even though you are in the wrong. ==================================I can remove anyone from my Campaign for whatever reason I choose; I don't even have to explain why. For your case, you made 12 posts in a 24 hour span, which is AGAINST THE RULES. Maybe had you read them, you wouldn't be in the place you are now. So stop with all the immature drama, these Campaigns help participants pay bills. And I will be forced to stop offering Signature Campaigns if this childish nonsense from you doesn't end intimidate. Then to make matters worse for you, you send me a PM threatening me that you will report me ( Cry) if I don't pay you what you're owed. You're lucky that I'm even CONSIDERING sending you .0108 because on top of not following the rules, you are attempting to slander myself and Sportsbet. My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE. I made a mistake. ================================Please delete all of your negative posts, and I'll get ya paid today. My apologies. Yes, Amends =========================You need to delete all of the last posts you made. =============================Please do it NOW ==============================If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment. =================================And you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like. You'll get your payment. That was my mistake. ====================================But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns. Excuse me, but you're getting what you wanted. Payment for 25 posts. ======================================So now because I'm removing you from my Campaign (even after being fully paid), you're going back on your word and re-opening something that I already admitted I was wrong. Trust me bro I can report you for extortion and threats just as easily as you can. You're just upset that I booted you from the Campaign. ======================================You're too much of a jerk to ever be allowed in my Campaigns again. I can also rest assure you that I have many friends on here who manage campaigns, and they will all see your work. You are a big drama queen. I don't think I even should have to pay you, and your threads of reporting me don't worry me at all. If I were to pay you, you'd repost your shit and cry foul. ========================================== My outbox Ok I put in a new address on the thread. =============================Why was I removed from the campaign? ===============================Btctalk name: WaffleMaster Rank: Hero Bitcasino.io BTC Wallet Address: 38sLeBE2MCgAVtvByf5YXHDuWyf1NRKRHw Wear Appropriate Signature: yes Wear Personal Text: Yes Wear Avatar: Yes Unfortunately, WaffleMaster has to be removed from the Signature Campaign. Different websites have different variables and elements that need to be loaded into the program. So it's pretty reasonable to assume that it won't work very well or at all for other websites. You'll likely need separate programs for that. Which is in the time frame, and perhaps I miss counted and only have 24 posts for the week 24-31 July 3AM EST. But to only credit 18 is a big mistake by you and verifiable as false by looking at my post history. If I'm kicked out of the campaign for not meeting the deadline by 1 post because I confused the UTC time of the forums with EST that's fine. Waiting for your response.I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just made a mistake in not paying me appropriately, and then removing me from the campaign in error because you believe I only have 18 posts instead of the. ============================You will have 24 hours to respond and correct the error or a scam accusation will be opened up on your name and campaign for shorting me payment. I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules. =================================The campaign ends in EST time. The forum shows my posts daily are not exceeding 8. IF you do not recognize forum time for counting posts daily like everybody else, it should be stated in the rules. Your rules do not state otherwise. Since you have now formally responded, threatening to not even pay what you think I am owed (reality is 25 posts) I am forced to open a scam accusation against you for shorting me. =====================================These will be included, along with extremely more detailed information. Ok, thank you for understanding. ==================================Yep all gone. I was archiving them and had twice as many to go through as you. ==========================================Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices. ============================================I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules. Everything is not made right, you are continuing to discharge me even after acknowledging your error. And now you threaten false reports. Unbelievable to be honest. Good thing these are archived and 100% proof. And by the way it's not extortion, you wanted me to delete everything because you agreed to make everything all right. And then you proceeded to go back on your word. So now there's also that. Quite a predicament you've created for yourself with the initial error and now all these threats, lies and going back on your word. =====================================If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment. YOU EXTORTED ME FOR SERVICES I ALREADY RENDEREDAnd you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like. If that's how you feel. I'm afraid now with your extortion and intimidation of holding funds I can't keep quiet about this and must post it. I have done nothing wrong, you've made all the errors and extortion. I simply wanted things to go back to normal. ============================Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 07:41:11 AM Quote from: jeremypwr on Today at 06:55:05 AM
You'll get your payment. That was my mistake. But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns. =============================================== Quote from: WaffleMaster on Today at 06:55:52 AM Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices. End quotes. So as you can see he is misrepresenting the facts yet again to try and save his reputation after agreeing to something he did not follow through with (The "amends"), scamming me. (pictures will be uploaded shortly, there's a lot of messages) Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 07:45:21 AM Quote from: jeremypwr on Today at 06:55:05 AM You'll get your payment. That was my mistake. But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns. =============================================== Quote from: WaffleMaster on Today at 06:55:52 AM Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices. End quotes. So as you can see he is misrepresenting the facts yet again to try and save his reputation after agreeing to something he did not follow through with (The "amends"), scamming me. (pictures will be uploaded shortly, there's a lot of messages) I have an impeccable Campaign Management reputation on here. What are you "warning people of my campaign practices?" The fact that I made a mistake counting, and admitted it and wanted to pay you before you started acting up? Enjoy yourself! Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 07:55:32 AM Quote from: jeremypwr on Today at 06:55:05 AM You'll get your payment. That was my mistake. But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns. =============================================== Quote from: WaffleMaster on Today at 06:55:52 AM Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices. End quotes. So as you can see he is misrepresenting the facts yet again to try and save his reputation after agreeing to something he did not follow through with (The "amends"), scamming me. (pictures will be uploaded shortly, there's a lot of messages) I have an impeccable Campaign Management reputation on here. What are you "warning people of my campaign practices?" The fact that I made a mistake counting, and admitted it and wanted to pay you before you started acting up? Enjoy yourself! https://i.imgur.com/BscnoUd.png And I'm warning people so that this can never happen to a person ever again. YOU made the mistakes, YOU agreed to make everything right, and YOU scammed me when you decided not to agree to what you put in writing. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 08:06:35 AM You are getting paid you big baby,
Get over it, Go find another Campaign to join; you aren't welcome in mine Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 08:08:01 AM I'm not going to follow you around this forum and respond to each and every repetitive post you make.
I have a life, a nice one at that, and you have a fanatic day. Enjoy your payment! Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: yahoo62278 on August 01, 2018, 08:18:13 AM You are getting paid you big baby, Get over it, Go find another Campaign to join; you aren't welcome in mine I chose this post to quote for a reason. You admitted you made a mistake(shit happens, we all do from time to time), you agreed to pay him after admitting the mistake. You have the right to remove him so instead of you 2 sending basic blackmails back and forth, pay the dude and be done with it. If he wishes to post an accusation if you remove him, then so be it. You need thicker skin if you're going to be a manager on here. Look at all of the long time managers trust pages, or scam busters pages. We get all sorts of bs retaliatory feedback from users who get butthurt. If they want to leave you neg trust or make a scam accusation, you DO NOT handle it in PM saying remove your posts or no pay. You tell them post away and you defend yourself. As long as you have done nothing wrong, you're in the right. Might want to be a little more professional too rather then call him a baby. I said be a man and stop acting like a baby baby because i'm not the manager of his campaign lol. I should probably not have said that but that's how it looked to me Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 08:30:47 AM You are getting paid you big baby, Get over it, Go find another Campaign to join; you aren't welcome in mine I chose this post to quote for a reason. You admitted you made a mistake(shit happens, we all do from time to time), you agreed to pay him after admitting the mistake. You have the right to remove him so instead of you 2 sending basic blackmails back and forth, pay the dude and be done with it. If he wishes to post an accusation if you remove him, then so be it. You need thicker skin if you're going to be a manager on here. Look at all of the long time managers trust pages, or scam busters pages. We get all sorts of bs retaliatory feedback from users who get butthurt. If they want to leave you neg trust or make a scam accusation, you DO NOT handle it in PM saying remove your posts or no pay. You tell them post away and you defend yourself. As long as you have done nothing wrong, you're in the right. Might want to be a little more professional too rather then call him a baby. I said be a man and stop acting like a baby baby because i'm not the manager of his campaign lol. I should probably not have said that but that's how it looked to me All pictures of his PMs. He is staking things out of context after he extorted my payment: https://imgur.com/a/4bbfcCJ All pictures of my PMs. https://imgur.com/a/5lpND7Q My hope that he is just making a mistake. Also, offering a way forward to just return to normal. https://i.imgur.com/Qde3zKM.png Him agreeing to all of the above. https://i.imgur.com/IDi0Kx7.png Yahoo I'm wondering why you're taking the side of him after I have picture proof of him extorting and threatening my payment he already agreed to? And also scamming me out of another agreement? I deleted my posts to meet to the amends. Then he extorted me after already agreeing? Then he agreed to pay me already after I said I knew I needed to post this behavior because it is against the rules and downright unethical and immoral. You ok Yahoo? https://i.imgur.com/QK01Bmx.png Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 08:38:25 AM You are getting paid you big baby, Get over it, Go find another Campaign to join; you aren't welcome in mine I chose this post to quote for a reason. You admitted you made a mistake(shit happens, we all do from time to time), you agreed to pay him after admitting the mistake. You have the right to remove him so instead of you 2 sending basic blackmails back and forth, pay the dude and be done with it. If he wishes to post an accusation if you remove him, then so be it. You need thicker skin if you're going to be a manager on here. Look at all of the long time managers trust pages, or scam busters pages. We get all sorts of bs retaliatory feedback from users who get butthurt. If they want to leave you neg trust or make a scam accusation, you DO NOT handle it in PM saying remove your posts or no pay. You tell them post away and you defend yourself. As long as you have done nothing wrong, you're in the right. Might want to be a little more professional too rather then call him a baby. I said be a man and stop acting like a baby baby because i'm not the manager of his campaign lol. I should probably not have said that but that's how it looked to me Good looking out. This guy is attempting to ruin my reputation, when he is in fact getting paid for his work! So, the only reason he has to be acting up like this (still) is because I removed him from my Campaign. I called him a "big baby" because out of all the Campaign participants I've dealt with, only he has acted like a big baby. He's getting his money, what else does he want? Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: yahoo62278 on August 01, 2018, 08:40:49 AM I am taking nobodies side here. You're both in the wrong for sending blackmailing pms to each other. I'm just giving him advice as to how to better handle the situation. It's not like you're an angel here bud. You are sending him threats as much as he is you.
Act like adults Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 08:44:12 AM I am taking nobodies side here. You're both in the wrong for sending blackmailing pms to each other. I'm just giving him advice as to how to better handle the situation. It's not like you're an angel here bud. You are sending him threats as much as he is you. What was my blackmail PM if I may ask? You have all the pm pictures to show if I really did blackmail somebody. After he extorted me I said I was going to now post scam accusations because it is against the rules? He scammed me because he agreed to make everything right, which would include putting me back in the campaign. It's all in writing. Wow following the rules must be blackmail.Act like adults Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 08:44:56 AM https://i.imgur.com/73al9FK.png
If that doesn't sound like the biggest threat ever, then I don't know what to tell you. "You will have 24 hours to respond or else....." Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: yahoo62278 on August 01, 2018, 08:48:22 AM https://talkimg.com/images/2023/06/07/w7Ijg.png This is an example of attempted blackmail. It would be just as bad as me saying, stop this bs thread or i'll tag you both. If that doesn't sound like the biggest threat ever, then I don't know what to tell you. "You will have 24 hours to respond or else....." This thread has served its purpose, just let it go Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 08:51:02 AM https://i.imgur.com/73al9FK.png This is an example of attempted blackmail. It would be just as bad as me saying, stop this bs thread or i'll tag you both. If that doesn't sound like the biggest threat ever, then I don't know what to tell you. "You will have 24 hours to respond or else....." This thread has served its purpose, just let it go Then we agreed that you would make everything right, which includes payment for all posts and being put back in campaign, then you scammed me again Here's our agreement. You explicitly stated yes to the offer. And now you're scamming me by not holding up to the $900 agreement. https://i.imgur.com/Qde3zKM.png https://i.imgur.com/IDi0Kx7.png Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: jeremypwr on August 01, 2018, 09:09:25 AM "And now you're scamming me by not holding up to the $900 agreement."
Wow, this poor guy is seriously confused. ::) ::) I'm done. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Zapo on August 01, 2018, 09:13:27 AM This thread has served its purpose, just let it go Please lock thread @op.Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 09:18:39 AM This thread has served its purpose, just let it go Please lock thread @op.https://i.imgur.com/Qde3zKM.png https://i.imgur.com/IDi0Kx7.png Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 01, 2018, 09:26:02 AM Act like adults Agreed, except I would add that since there's no arbitration mechanism for disputes--just a person's trust and reputation--I can see why people get a little crazy about these things and go on the defensive immediately. The amounts of money involved aren't exactly small by most people's standards.If jeremypwr made the mistake, and it was me I'd just fix it without restrictions or retaliation. He does have a decent reputation as a manager, and everyone makes mistakes. People can see it for what it is, and they should be trusted not to make any long-term judgements. It just looks like both sides of this dispute escalated it beyond the point where it needed to go. Kicking OP out of the campaign was a little harsh, but it's jeremypwr's campaign and he has the right to do that if he so chooses. OP, there isn't much else to do except move on to another campaign if you can find one. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 09:31:45 AM Act like adults Agreed, except I would add that since there's no arbitration mechanism for disputes--just a person's trust and reputation--I can see why people get a little crazy about these things and go on the defensive immediately. The amounts of money involved aren't exactly small by most people's standards.If jeremypwr made the mistake, and it was me I'd just fix it without restrictions or retaliation. He does have a decent reputation as a manager, and everyone makes mistakes. People can see it for what it is, and they should be trusted not to make any long-term judgements. It just looks like both sides of this dispute escalated it beyond the point where it needed to go. Kicking OP out of the campaign was a little harsh, but it's jeremypwr's campaign and he has the right to do that if he so chooses. OP, there isn't much else to do except move on to another campaign if you can find one. Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages? The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential. He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? He literally just used logic that applied to both parties to try and discredit what I am owed but not what his duties are in the agreement. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Buraot on August 01, 2018, 10:45:29 AM Act like adults Agreed, except I would add that since there's no arbitration mechanism for disputes--just a person's trust and reputation--I can see why people get a little crazy about these things and go on the defensive immediately. The amounts of money involved aren't exactly small by most people's standards.If jeremypwr made the mistake, and it was me I'd just fix it without restrictions or retaliation. He does have a decent reputation as a manager, and everyone makes mistakes. People can see it for what it is, and they should be trusted not to make any long-term judgements. It just looks like both sides of this dispute escalated it beyond the point where it needed to go. Kicking OP out of the campaign was a little harsh, but it's jeremypwr's campaign and he has the right to do that if he so chooses. OP, there isn't much else to do except move on to another campaign if you can find one. Since he is getting paid for his work, why shouldn't he be obligated to delete his messed up messages? The only reason he isn't deleting them is because he's mad that he lost out on a nice earning potential. He's just full of spit; he wasn't scammed. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? He literally just used logic that applied to both parties to try and discredit what I am owed but not what his duties are in the agreement. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Buraot on August 01, 2018, 10:49:35 AM I was owed back into the campaign according to the agreement, which he just admitted was valid. So now what do you say? It's not scamming to put in writing that you'll make everything right, we'll delete it all and forget about it and not follow through with his end? Which lead me to exposing him? And Pharmacist, as you say he has the right to kick me out, yes he did, until he agreed to put me back in, which is in writing and you seem to acknowledge. Scammed $860 in potential because he is butthurt that he didn't follow through and I felt the need to expose all this bullshit he's pulling BECAUSE OF HIS MISTAKE. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 10:52:12 AM I was owed back into the campaign according to the agreement, which he just admitted was valid. So now what do you say? It's not scamming to put in writing that you'll make everything right, we'll delete it all and forget about it and not follow through with his end? Which lead me to exposing him? And Pharmacist, as you say he has the right to kick me out, yes he did, until he agreed to put me back in, which is in writing and you seem to acknowledge. Scammed $860 in potential because he is butthurt that he didn't follow through and I felt the need to expose all this bullshit he's pulling BECAUSE OF HIS MISTAKE. Yes, a campaign manager can choose to remove people. He did that to me in error. That's fine, I pointed the error out and asked him to fix everything. He said he would fix everything. He didn't, that's a scam. And it's worth $840 in future campaign earnings. But you don't care, it didn't happen to you. So we should probably just drop it and let it happen to somebody else too? No. Also, he does owe me something if HE AGREES TO IT IN WRITING. (last picture) You talk about payment, what do you think about this payment talk in the pictures? Want to just ignore it? https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png https://i.imgur.com/PYUXj2R.png https://i.imgur.com/toZoBCt.png https://i.imgur.com/IDi0Kx7.png Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Buraot on August 01, 2018, 10:57:02 AM I agree with him, YOU'RE A TOTAL MORON. You can't understand a simple logic. Let me input it into your brain by making the letters bold: HE IS THE MANAGER AND HE HAD THE RIGHT TO KICK YOU OUT FROM HIS CAMPAIGN WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION! Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 11:09:53 AM I agree with him, YOU'RE A TOTAL MORON. You can't understand a simple logic. Let me input it into your brain by making the letters bold: HE IS THE MANAGER AND HE HAD THE RIGHT TO KICK YOU OUT FROM HIS CAMPAIGN WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION! https://i.imgur.com/MiPgUTj.png Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Joel_Jantsen on August 01, 2018, 12:33:24 PM lol really you guys are blowing it out of proportions @Waffle - Why can't you just take the payment and leave him alone? He hires you in the campaign, is ready to pay you money, how is that extortion? As a campaign manager, he doesn't owe you an explanation for getting kicked out of the campaign.
Quote My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE. Maybe sportsbet.io should also pay "thousands of dollars" to the players whose withdrawals are stuck since ages.Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 12:50:40 PM lol really you guys are blowing it out of proportions @Waffle - Why can't you just take the payment and leave him alone? He hires you in the campaign, is ready to pay you money, how is that extortion? As a campaign manager, he doesn't owe you an explanation for getting kicked out of the campaign. Lol I like your little mention at how bad sportsbet.io is with withdrawal scamming. That aside, I really don't think somebody scamming another person and lying about an agreement made is blowing anything out of proportion. All my claims are from discussion which have evidence, so the fact that there exists detailed documentation almost certainly counters whatever claim of "blowing things out of proportion" can be made. The claims are made because they exist. As for extortion, IDK, what is threatening to not pay somebody unless they do something? What is threatening to hurt somebody financially or physically if they don't do what you want when you want? Extortion? Quote My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE. Maybe sportsbet.io should also pay "thousands of dollars" to the players whose withdrawals are stuck since ages.Definition of extortion: the practice of obtaining something through force or threats. https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: ImHash on August 01, 2018, 01:50:05 PM Definition of extortion: the practice of obtaining something through force or threats. This is what you are doing to this campaign manager, You are trying to force him to let you stay in the campaign, I'm sure some DT members tag you for doing it this way.Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: audaciousbeing on August 01, 2018, 02:07:17 PM How am I blackmailing him? How did I ever blackmail him? I gave him a days worth to figure out the situation and what he wants to do before opening a scam accusation against him for not paying me .0042 BTC more than he says he owed me (his mistake, really a bad campaign manager for all of this, but that especially). That's really fair allowing him time. He might have had work or be sleeping, or wanted to fix it (surprise, he just lied about wanting to make everything right). Yes, a campaign manager can choose to remove people. He did that to me in error. That's fine, I pointed the error out and asked him to fix everything. He said he would fix everything. He didn't, that's a scam. And it's worth $840 in future campaign earnings. But you don't care, it didn't happen to you. So we should probably just drop it and let it happen to somebody else too? No. Also, he does owe me something if HE AGREES TO IT IN WRITING. (last picture) You talk about payment, what do you think about this payment talk in the pictures? Want to just ignore it? Having read the entire thread, I think its time for you to move on. You have made your point, he has admitted his fault and its time to lock it up and go on. You guys might need to work together some other time and if he so wish, he won't enlist you again and if you wish too, take up a campaign management and not hire him if he should apply. Its your prerogative. I noticed that you have been hammering on potential earnings but my question is, how can you hold him accountable for a job you have not done exactly. It does not work that and continuing pushing this matter will only make you sound like a but-hurt who cannot live without what he will earn from this campaign. I am actually more surprised that both of you could not resolve this issue of simple mistake till it degenerate to this point and both of you are at fault just as @Yahoo have rightly said. Managers are human and they are prone to mistakes, when that happen, there is a way to approach it and get it resolve without any noise about it. The two of you have just unleashed to the whole community how much ego you took in yourself over the welfare of another. #My opinion. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 02:14:20 PM Definition of extortion: the practice of obtaining something through force or threats. This is what you are doing to this campaign manager, You are trying to force him to let you stay in the campaign, I'm sure some DT members tag you for doing it this way.https://i.imgur.com/dXxqWkT.png I noticed that you have been hammering on potential earnings but my question is, how can you hold him accountable for a job you have not done exactly. It does not work that and continuing pushing this matter will only make you sound like a but-hurt who cannot live without what he will earn from this campaign. I am actually more surprised that both of you could not resolve this issue of simple mistake till it degenerate to this point and both of you are at fault just as @Yahoo have rightly said. Managers are human and they are prone to mistakes, when that happen, there is a way to approach it and get it resolve without any noise about it. The two of you have just unleashed to the whole community how much ego you took in yourself over the welfare of another. #My opinion. https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Mpamaegbu on August 01, 2018, 02:22:16 PM The war of attrition already started here? Damn! Trump fooled me watching the cable for his Chinese attack.
BTW, this thread should be locked for peace to reign. I believe the issue has been resolved, except both parties love the sound of their keyboards. Silence is golden most times. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 01, 2018, 02:26:35 PM The war of attrition already started here? Damn! Trump fooled me watching the cable for his Chinese attack. Maybe he'll extort me to delete it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D BTW, this thread should be locked for peace to reign. I believe the issue has been resolved, except both parties love the sound of their keyboards. Silence is golden most times. https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: pugman on August 01, 2018, 04:42:18 PM Okay, you're doing too much. What are you, digaran's bitch? jk.
On a more serious note, you weren't scammed. Not for 1$ ,and definitely not for 840/960$. Both of the parties involved did questionable things here. You, are twisting words and causing a ruckus here and blackmailed him that you'd open a "Scam Accusation" case against him. Jeremypwr, made a mistake and admitted it. Where he is actually wrong is, him asking you to delete your posts. That is not extortion, he gets nothing from it, not directly at least. Its sort of blackmail. And he should explained why he removed you, it would have made things a little clearer, although he doesn't has to. The best case scenario here: WaffleMaster gets his money for the last week if he hasn't yet and Jeremypwr and WaffleMaster both apologize to each other for their wrongdoings. And that sig of yours, that's some next level butthurt trolling. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Findingnemo on August 01, 2018, 06:04:41 PM Okay, you're doing too much. What are you, digaran's bitch? jk. On a more serious note, you weren't scammed. Not for 1$ ,and definitely not for 840/960$. Both of the parties involved did questionable things here. You, are twisting words and causing a ruckus here and blackmailed him that you'd open a "Scam Accusation" case against him. Jeremypwr, made a mistake and admitted it. Where he is actually wrong is, him asking you to delete your posts. That is not extortion, he gets nothing from it, not directly at least. Its sort of blackmail. And he should explained why he removed you, it would have made things a little clearer, although he doesn't has to. The best case scenario here: WaffleMaster gets his money for the last week if he hasn't yet and Jeremypwr and WaffleMaster both apologize to each other for their wrongdoings. And that sig of yours, that's some next level butthurt trolling. Those words I highlighted is not untrustworthy behavior for a campaign manager? :o Anyway OP just move on and find better campaign,this is not the only campaign in the forum.And Jeremypwr already mentioned in the rules that he can remove participants at anytime for any reasons.You agreed the terms before joining in the campaign so you can't accuse him when he removed you. I can remove you from the Campaign at any time, for whatever reason Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Anduck on August 01, 2018, 08:52:43 PM He then said he would close his false accusations (false since they were rightfully solved). That doesn't make sense. Accusations were correct if you solved them. Solving accusations doesn't make accusations from true to false. He is only making it more difficult on other participants because I will be canceling my Campaigns soon on account of his actions. Or in other words, the campaigned party wants to stop dealing with you? Don't blame your campaign participant for that. How can someone fill out a "scam accusation" when they were fully paid for their work? It's good knowledge for others to know that you're removing people from your signature campaigns for no reason. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Anduck on August 01, 2018, 08:56:47 PM Okay, you're doing too much. What are you, digaran's bitch? jk. On a more serious note, you weren't scammed. Not for 1$ ,and definitely not for 840/960$. Both of the parties involved did questionable things here. You, are twisting words and causing a ruckus here and blackmailed him that you'd open a "Scam Accusation" case against him. Jeremypwr, made a mistake and admitted it. Where he is actually wrong is, him asking you to delete your posts. That is not extortion, he gets nothing from it, not directly at least. Its sort of blackmail. And he should explained why he removed you, it would have made things a little clearer, although he doesn't has to. The best case scenario here: WaffleMaster gets his money for the last week if he hasn't yet and Jeremypwr and WaffleMaster both apologize to each other for their wrongdoings. And that sig of yours, that's some next level butthurt trolling. It's not blackmailing when you tell someone you'll open a scam accusation. If there's no reason for that accusation, there shouldn't be anything to fear. Right? Jeremypwr on the other hand is clearly blackmailing by threatening to not pay what was agreed on if something (which is even unrelated to the payment) is not done in time. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: posi on August 01, 2018, 09:18:59 PM I dont see any reason why guys have to brag and drag because of the mistake made when counting posts. However, WaffleMaster please dont be annoy with Jeremypwr cause it not an easy task to manage a campaign not to mention 2-3 campaigns and this is why i give kudos to Mr Yahoo62278 who manage 4-7 campaigns wonderfully. I believed both sides have learned a lesson and what Mr Yahoo62278 said you guys need to let go of whatever happened cause the campaign manager decision is final.
Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Ivankov on August 01, 2018, 09:42:30 PM I spotted, If always in stubborn conditions, this will never be finished. Make a deal to make it easy
"A deal with dark ruler" ::) Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: pugman on August 02, 2018, 12:34:44 AM It's not blackmailing when you tell someone you'll open a scam accusation. If there's no reason for that accusation, there shouldn't be anything to fear. Right? Threatening to open a scam accusation for removing someone from a campaign is not blackmail ??? ? There is nothing to fear, but there is more than something to lose. Accusations can make things go from bad to worse. Jeremypwr is not right here either, but what WaffleMaster is doing, is more than what a retard would do. Thread has served its purpose, its time to get this locked. Jeremypwr on the other hand is clearly blackmailing by threatening to not pay what was agreed on if something (which is even unrelated to the payment) is not done in time. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 01:48:21 AM He then said he would close his false accusations (false since they were rightfully solved). That doesn't make sense. Accusations were correct if you solved them. Solving accusations doesn't make accusations from true to false. He is only making it more difficult on other participants because I will be canceling my Campaigns soon on account of his actions. Or in other words, the campaigned party wants to stop dealing with you? Don't blame your campaign participant for that. How can someone fill out a "scam accusation" when they were fully paid for their work? It's good knowledge for others to know that you're removing people from your signature campaigns for no reason. The personal attacks and lies will continue, I'm afraid. But it's ok because really I am in the complete right, like even Yahoo has said. Okay, you're doing too much. What are you, digaran's bitch? jk. On a more serious note, you weren't scammed. Not for 1$ ,and definitely not for 840/960$. Both of the parties involved did questionable things here. You, are twisting words and causing a ruckus here and blackmailed him that you'd open a "Scam Accusation" case against him. Jeremypwr, made a mistake and admitted it. Where he is actually wrong is, him asking you to delete your posts. That is not extortion, he gets nothing from it, not directly at least. Its sort of blackmail. And he should explained why he removed you, it would have made things a little clearer, although he doesn't has to. The best case scenario here: WaffleMaster gets his money for the last week if he hasn't yet and Jeremypwr and WaffleMaster both apologize to each other for their wrongdoings. And that sig of yours, that's some next level butthurt trolling. It's not blackmailing when you tell someone you'll open a scam accusation. If there's no reason for that accusation, there shouldn't be anything to fear. Right? Jeremypwr on the other hand is clearly blackmailing by threatening to not pay what was agreed on if something (which is even unrelated to the payment) is not done in time. Clearly he is blackmailing me, and nobody seems to give a fuck and just makes personal attacks against me. Even calling me a blackmailer ;D It's unreal how delusional these people are. You make extremely good points and I thank you for looking at this neutrally. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: marlboroza on August 02, 2018, 09:10:28 AM You are doing damage only to yourself. Is it really necessary to post hundred times the same message about the same thing all over the forum? It took me 2 hours yesterday to go trough all posts and pm's as they are, well, all over the forum ::)
Here's my new address: 1GS2QmriPCFe5aQpPnSUv875AhQgbAKY2o Thanks for pming me I probably wouldn't have known we needed new address otherwise. Have you been payed? https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/6b4e3f354946feb24ea08c5c5331f0b6bb2cb3b77ed72d6241673538e700c94c Yes. Cmon man, I have already explained you here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4737831.msg43264998#msg43264998 why they don't own you $840 . ~ They didn't ask WaffleMaster to delete these posts, to understand what is going on here you have to go trough this topic, scam accusation topic and bounty topic as well. Like stedsm said, @Jerermypwr, don't ask users to delete their posts. They can make how much ever posts they want. Just count 8 of them. So, this is what happened: They didn't count posts correctly, they refused to pay WaffleMaster, WaffleMaster start ranting around about not being payed, AFTER that they counted posts again, they saw they made mistake and then they asked wafflemaster to remove all posts where wafflemaster accused them about certain things(scam/fud/whatever). Quote That is not extortion, he gets nothing from it, not directly at least. Its sort of blackmail. Source: wikipedia Blackmail is an act, often criminal, involving unjustified threats to make a gain—most commonly money or property—or cause loss to another unless a demand is met Here you go, self admitted: https://i.imgur.com/HkoE8xB.png "so he agrees to get his money". And after that, "finds out he's getting removed from future campaigns, and attempts to blackmail me", which is also correct, as campaign rule is "...remove from campaign from whatever reason". So, they blackmailed each other ::) I am going to give them benefit of doubt because both acted like two kids fighting over a toy and I am pretty sure this could have been resolved in more peaceful way. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: pugman on August 02, 2018, 03:38:13 PM They didn't ask WaffleMaster to delete these posts, to understand what is going on here you have to go trough this topic, scam accusation topic and bounty topic as well. Yeah I knew what happened, I just confused my self at the time of writing that post. He has made around 90 posts bitching about how he got scammed for 960$/ 0.12BTC , and I got myself confused in the middle. >:(I am going to give them benefit of doubt because both acted like two kids fighting over a toy and I am pretty sure this could have been resolved in more peaceful way. Agreed. They can still sort it out, apologize to each other and get this over with. But I doubt they will (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4794752.msg43307295#msg43307295), and honestly, I want this bozo to keep spamming his shit, for digaran has become too quiet and things got boring again. :-\The personal attacks and lies will continue, I'm afraid. But it's ok because really I am in the complete right, like even Yahoo has said. Yahoo also said that you are a crazy person who has the misconception that you got scammed for 960$. Stop using half meanings here. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 02, 2018, 11:16:01 PM Oh Pugman, how futile all your argument points have been. And easily countered not only by me, but by many others.
Changed my mind. (a person removing their application to one of his campaigns) I'm with WaffleMaster's side here. Just for the sake. But cheer up WaffleMaster. Its not the end of the world for you. You already wasted two days of your life when you could have done something more meaningful than getting into a fight you may never win. There are hundred more campaigns out there, all they may be needing is you who can raise awareness for their project. So let me ask you this, since you seem to be the only person who sides with WaffleMaster: Even though it turns out waffle is in the right No, that would not be ok, but jeremypwr admitted his mistake, apologised Holy fuck, anybody that isnt retarded can see that this campaign manager extorted u. literally wanted to censor u or else he wouldnt pay what he said, what u were owed. Why? Cus u posted about not being paid properly cus he is a piece of shit manager n couldnt count to 25 right? Holy fuck!!! how is this dude not banned for illegal activity. super anti bitcoin with his censorship too It's not blackmailing when you tell someone you'll open a scam accusation. If there's no reason for that accusation, there shouldn't be anything to fear. Right? Jeremypwr on the other hand is clearly blackmailing by threatening to not pay what was agreed on if something (which is even unrelated to the payment) is not done in time. "Under federal and state laws, extortion carries up to a 20-year prison sentence." https://i.imgur.com/CVAqfqY.png Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: pugman on August 02, 2018, 11:28:38 PM Oh Pugman, how futile all your argument points have been. And easily countered not only by me, but by many others. I am not supporting neither of you here. And this: 1) I'm not entitled, because if you agree to do something and don't do it, that is you defaulting on an agreement. You didn't make things go back to normal like was agreed. That's not me being entitled, that's you scamming. 2) I'm not spamming, I'm replying to people. If you have a problem with somebody replying to people in relevant context and using pictures, that sounds like a personal issue. 3) You dropped me before payment because of your error and being a bad campaign manager. You then said you would make things normal and fix it, but you didn't. Obviously things are not back to normal like you agreed to. 4) Case still open, simply because you state it's over doesn't mean it's over. There still are allegations of your blackmailing which is documented and also scamming out of the agreement you said yes to. 1. Its already solved. So it involves no scamming, cause you were paid. Ref: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/6b4e3f354946feb24ea08c5c5331f0b6bb2cb3b77ed72d6241673538e700c94chttps://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/6b4e3f354946feb24ea08c5c5331f0b6bb2cb3b77ed72d6241673538e700c94c 2. You're spamming. You have made 90 posts, and all of them with the same images over and over again. 3. Dropping you initially might have been a mistake, but dropping you later was a well-made decision. 4. Don't forget that you also blackmailed him. Now that you're paid, what are you whining about here? Extortion? This is very subjective, he asked you to delete your posts, and that is not considered to be extortion, in the court of order in many countries. No, that would not be ok, but jeremypwr admitted his mistake, apologised Now you're just competing against digaran to see who is the most stupidest. :-\ You're getting nothing from this, can you move on? Because the main issue was you getting paid for those 25 posts and now you have. Apologize to each other and get this issue solved. If you still think this isn't over, well sue Jeremypwr. And see what the court has to say to you, keep in mind, almost everything would be inadmissible,probably. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 12:43:11 AM Now you're just competing against digaran to see who is the most stupidest. :-\ You're getting nothing from this, can you move on? Because the main issue was you getting paid for those 25 posts and now you have. Apologize to each other and get this issue solved. So if a felon apologizes for committing a felony that is fine, he can commit as many crimes against somebody as he wants? "inadmissible" on what terms, Mr. Lawyer? Forget the scamming that would be easily enforceable. Extortion is a felony in all states, and not only that, in all countries. But let's just move on and let a felon continue to criminally extort people and commit crimes. ;D I wonder who the "most stupidest" is Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: pugman on August 03, 2018, 01:12:59 AM "Most stupidest", nice. ;D Now that digaran has gone silent, I'd say you're acting stupider/delusional/idiotic. Choose what you like. Don't worry,it'll be temporary, you'll be long gone, while digaran would come back. So if a felon apologizes for committing a felony that is fine, he can commit as many crimes against somebody as he wants? "inadmissible" on what terms, Mr. Lawyer? Forget the scamming that would be easily enforceable. Extortion is a felony in all states, and not only that, in all countries. But let's just move on and let a felon continue to criminally extort people and commit crimes. ;D I wonder who the "most stupidest" is Inadmissible on what terms? Let's see: He asked you to delete your posts, and there is no law that defines extortion to involve these petty things(As far as I know). You should also read this: https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/extortion.html Extortion involves money or threats to cause physical threats. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: WaffleMaster on August 03, 2018, 03:32:05 AM Now that digaran has gone silent, I'd say you're acting stupider/delusional/idiotic. Choose what you like. Don't worry,it'll be temporary, you'll be long gone, while digaran would come back. "Uh, yes your Honor, I threatened him to delete all evidence of me committing the felony, which I understand is another felony in itself, so it shouldn't be available as evidence" - Pugman in CourtInadmissible on what terms? Let's see: He asked you to delete your posts, and there is no law that defines extortion to involve these petty things(As far as I know). You should also read this: https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/extortion.html Extortion involves money or threats to cause physical threats. Also, he asked me to delete things before he threatened me monetarily....so?????? Are you confused? Here, I googled it for you in 2 seconds to prove you have no idea what you're talking about. By the way, threatening to not pay somebody an agreed to amount unless they do something is involving money, isn't it? https://i.imgur.com/VFfqTyo.png And since you're literally braindead, he's a quote from the link you told me to read which counters your point immediately. "Virtually all extortion statutes require that a threat must be made to the person or property of the victim. Threats to harm the victim's friends or relatives may also be included. It is not necessary for a threat to involve physical injury." As soon as he agreed in his mistake and that he would send me the money, that money was my property. Thank you for trying to act like you know something, and further providing evidence for my point. Had to edit this quote in ;D "It's like burning somebody's house down and then getting mad at their reaction." Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: CaptainLance on August 03, 2018, 04:16:51 PM So this is still a thing? :-\
I'm guessing the only way you'd shut up is if the campaign manager let you back in the campaign? Like that'd ever happen. meh. Stop feeding the troll. Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: pugman on August 03, 2018, 09:01:48 PM "Uh, yes your Honor, I threatened him to delete all evidence of me committing the felony, which I understand is another felony in itself, so it shouldn't be available as evidence" - Pugman in Court Threatened you monetarily? Did he specifically ask you for money? Because that's what it means. Also, he asked me to delete things before he threatened me monetarily....so?????? Are you confused? And that word evidence you're shouting for, its an evidence for an accusation that arose due to a mistake. A mistake of counting posts is a felony? Since you're bitching so much about the felony here, why don't you go ahead sue Jeremypwr, and see what the court has to offer to you. By the way, threatening to not pay somebody an agreed to amount unless they do something is involving money, isn't it? Earnings =/= property. Also, you were paid. And since you're literally braindead, he's a quote from the link you told me to read which counters your point immediately. "Virtually all extortion statutes require that a threat must be made to the person or property of the victim. Threats to harm the victim's friends or relatives may also be included. It is not necessary for a threat to involve physical injury." As soon as he agreed in his mistake and that he would send me the money, that money was my property. Thank you for trying to act like you know something, and further providing evidence for my point. Will you also use the evidence that I am "providing to prove your point", in court? What's your problem again now? You got paid, you don't want to go back to the campaign nor do you want to call the cops. So what are you spamming about? Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Jating on August 04, 2018, 06:05:53 AM @WaffleMaster, c'mmon man, this is really getting ridiculous. You have been paid already by the campaign manager. Seems you have a good reputation by just looking at your merits. But now you totally ruined it, other campaign managers have taken noticed of your actions and behavior that I doubt that you will be accepted in any bitcoin paying campaign. I suggest you really need to take a break and stop spamming, just saying.
Title: Re: Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io) Post by: Anduck on August 04, 2018, 12:08:46 PM "Uh, yes your Honor, I threatened him to delete all evidence of me committing the felony, which I understand is another felony in itself, so it shouldn't be available as evidence" - Pugman in Court Threatened you monetarily? Did he specifically ask you for money? Because that's what it means. Also, he asked me to delete things before he threatened me monetarily....so?????? Are you confused? He threatened to not pay what he owed unless <something unrelated> was done. Anyway, as others have suggested too, I think nothing good will come out of further hashing of this issue. Yes, WaffleMaster was threatened/blackmailed by Jeremypwr, but in the end got paid regardless of the blackmailing. People who read this thread should know all the facts here now and can act accordingly. |
