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Today again some whales came back on BTC ..
Does anyone have some suggestion to be alerted before this kind of manipulation ... I’m really fed up to see some big red or green candles without any reason ..
I’m always in or out when it arrives ...

You can't really predict what the market will do unless you are a whale yourself.  They tend to work together and have an inner circle so they can move the market in whatever direction they want.  It's why shorting or going long with leverage is very dangerous, you can easily get liquidated by a few candle wicks.

And so what about to have 2 positions ? One in and one out ...
So one ready to buy and a second one ready to sell...
I don’t like stop loss cause sometimes you sell your position just for nothing ...


Aaaaarrrgggghhhh ... trading psychology is a real nightmare with crypto...
Hope to become a whale in 20 years with only my half $BTC  ;D

It’s very hard to predict their actions unless you know them.

Can we really avert that,  though their manipulation is becoming frustrating. I think they work hands in hands. The only solution I can think of is for the cryptocurrency to be regulated. If we have a regulated bodies govern the affairs of cryptocurrency systems this can be reduce gradually.

If there is too much spikes in very short time then it maybe the manipulation from the whales but honestly it is impossible to predict the bottom or the highest level so you need to stick with your own strategy rather than moving out of your knowledge and get panic and be a victim of the whale trap.

I'm sorry its really hard to see where the whales is going to make their move. Perhaps you should ride the waves with them. What I do? I hold on my bitcoin and never do anything just let it sit on my wallet for long term. As fraudulent as the whales might be, its really hard to guess when are they going to manipulate the price. Right now, things are legally murky, but if you have your own entry/exit strategy, then why bother with those whales?

Reply to all...  ;D
So I think that the more persons will be involved in crypto and the less they will be able to manipulate the crypto market.. because they will have less and less $Btc in their wallet even if it takes 50 years ...
Secondly. If we don’t want to be some sheeps, maybe we can create a pump group with all BCT members  ;D ;D
Of course it’s a joke, but I know that some kind of group already exist on some exchange but I don’t think that it’s really legal  ???

I understand but as I have not many BTC, I wanted to do like Jesus ... multiplication of the loaves ...
:D

LOL, just because price moved in some direction (up or down) and YOU were surprised about it, that doesn't mean there is whale manipulation going on. 90% of the time it means YOU were expecting the wrong movement direction from bitcoin.

so far i don't see any manipulation in the recent rise. it is not even a big rise! price went up about 14% in 16 days which is 0.8% rise per day. you don't even find that kind of rise in big markets such as stocks market. they move much bigger than this and nobody calls that manipulation. so why do you call this tiny rise of bitcoin manipulation?

You have to prove that there is whale manipulation first.

It's a pretty big market and it's not as easily manipulated as you might think.


If you want to see, just go to a really smallcap altcoin and become a whale. Unless your spot in the rich list is at the top 100 I doubt you can really do any manipulation.


And if you're at the top 100 people can probably track your coins. If there is whale manipulation we would probably know it by now. The price just changed.

I would personally worry about proving it before predicting it lol. I don't think there has been any evidence that whales are freely manipulating the market. All of the circumstantial evidence thus far point to exchanges and Tether and fake trading and whatnot. Even that cannot be proven.

I personally think that the market is too large for one or two individuals to be able to move it substantially without risking a massive amount. If they were capable, I don't think they would need to gamble.

I think they pay the media and make fud news and that will make the market panic and a red candle will appear. the people who read the news will panic and they will sell the coins

I think it could be so difficult to someone to predict whales manipulation, because there are no signs of there actions on when they start manipulating the market. But you can use some news sites to follow there actions, because some whales are just depending on the emerging news all over the internet.

People are just paranoid, the whales and manipulators have been a boogeyman of Bitcoin community for years, and it's easier for people to blame some mysterious whales for the price change instead of blaming the whole community. Lots of people are trading Bitcoin, some do it for a living, others as a hobby, and a lot of people are new into trading in general, so they might trade very emotionally, which contributes to volatility. This forum is full of posts about the price and price movements, and it seems likely that those who ask these questions are trying to trade, otherwise why would they care much?

I think that a big part of the actual manipulation comes from the media, even though it might not always be intentional: when Bitcoin is going up, the media, both crypto and mainstream ones, try to explain it and end up posting bullish articles, which further boosts the price. The same happens on a bear market - negative news are more common, because they are more in tune with the dropping price.

If everybody could predict how the crypto whales act in order to manipulate the prices,it would have been impossible for them to manipulate anyhting. ;D
I'm pretty sure that the only way to predict  how the whales act is to become a crypto whale and partner with the other whales.Just get a few millions worth of crypto and you are done.Just kidding. ;D

to make acquaintance with one of them) think there is a communication established)

It would be very hard unless you have an insider. A whale pumping and dumping on lower volume altcoins is possible because you can notice the volume and bots. But on top markets like bitcoin it is unpredictable.

firstly this move to ~$7k is not a big deal and i dont deem it a whale manipulation..
i think some newbs need to look at bitcoin history and see that bitcoin always sways in movments of 10%'s where other forex markets may only sway 1%'s. check google type in "bitcoin is volatile" and you will see its normal. and something people need to get used to. learn to enjoy the natural waves.

anyway.
no one can predict the next ATH tsunami but the underlying waterline can atleast be somewhat measured

the btc price is made up of 2 elements. 'cost of obtaining'(value) and then the bubbly speculative hype above that.
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earlier this year we seen the correction from the big tsunami of the speculation hype bubbles. but underlying that sellers were selling and the new buyers were setting their new limits. and more importantly miners were increasing the hashrate (thus the cost of mining) is always on a steady slope up.

august was a period of $6k+ mining costs. and with hashrates moving up the mining costs move up. and thus the underlying cost of obtaining support line moves up.
since november 15th 2017 until now. all the traders with coins bought below $6k has had ample chances. and ample panic attack oppertunities to sell at $6k. so with mining and traders treating august as $6k support. its now time to move forward.

the majority of coin holders no longer are willing to sell below $6k
no one can predict the next ATH but looking at the overall longer term bottom lines of support. and knowing its based on cost of obtaining limits (a line no one is stupid to cross below because they will lose) as coins swap hands that underlying line moves up which suports a price movement up even when there is nothing to speculately hype about.

yea there may be very temporary dips and blips because some people are stupid. but the gap between the underlying value and the 'price' is small and a good oppertunity to buy before the hype bubbles of speculation create new larger waves and the global warming of mining raises the underlying waterline of bottomlin support

It's to predict whale's manipulation on the price of the coins in the market because you will only realize that it is a whale if a big volume of a certain coin was bought or sold by one address only. You cannot predict it unless you know that whale and will tell you when at what he or she will buy or sell.

There isn't any price manipulation presently as far as the price of bitcoin is concerned, I believed it is the action of market forces vis-à-vis demand and supply whenever whales enters the market massive bullish or bearish movement is often noticed and observed hence nobody can accurately predict when the whales will pump and dump obviously this is one most difficult aspect of trading bitcoin.

it is difficult to predict how the whale moves because they are inclusive and there are rarely people or bodies that can enter easily in their groups. but what I observed after they were satisfied to do a dump would be the market would recover as soon as possible

Whales are so sophisticated no one can even predict any of their move without any insider information.

It depends how much time you can spare. As it is impossible to predict without an inside connection the only way to find out is to continuously monitor the charts. Look out for pump signals or two reasonable dumps, the rest will follow

These must be very tiny whales.  ::) You must be very new to Bitcoin, because a 1% to 5% daily volatility in Bitcoin is nothing strange for us.  :P

You will know when whales are involved in Bitcoin, because the volatility will be much bigger and faster than this small bump in the price. A lot of these whales work together in a pod, so the volatility will snowball once a pump or a dump is initiated.

Go back and have a look at the daily volatility in Bitcoin and you will see what I mean.  :D

When I read all of you, some say that it’s not a whales move and some say it can be...
But for me the most important is to know that at this moment some very big wallet exist and when they move, they can create some dump or pump... so I wonder if there is no way to be informed of these moves to a exchange before ..
Yes it’s certainly stupid for some of you, but when I look back at the market and when I see some correction, I find nothing really interesting to predict a move down or up..

Dumping is important for whales. So, have to be beware of the market. This is gambling with the price, either you win or lose. Nothing in between.

stop comparing bitcoin with shitcoins and you will be able to predict the market movements realistically and as a result you won't think every price change is a whale manipulation. for instance in the past few days that the rise started it was simply be cause the ETFs were rejected and people knew there is no more bad news to cause a "newbie panic sell" so they started buying back. and additionally the rise is too small to be a manipulation and we need a much bigger rise to at least $9k before we can get out of this inverse bubble first then we can talk about manipulation.

Interesting your opinion about ETFs so no more bad news so the price rises... but if ETF were accepted the price would have rose also... in fact BTC will go to the moon whatever things can happen around  ???
sorry for my grammar, I’m not US or English and school is far away from me  ;D

Well, of course I’m quite a newbie in crypto, I’m in bitcoin only for 1year, so can someone tell me what can be the average  of some up or down move in a day .. 100 or 200 $ or 10% - 20% ?

There are few ways to indicate the whale movement, if the price go up or go down deeply without any reason, then there is a chance of whales is manipulating the price, if you see some of tye fud news then the whales are starting their move to lower down the price, the other way is to join the whale group to see which coin they tend to pump or dump

It's very hard to predict the manipulation before it happens even for the so-called market experts. It takes a while to learn how the market works including reading charts and other signals. Although it may not predict market manipulations it can still help you avoid big losses.

in my opinion there is only one thing that matters for price rise and that is adoption. as long as more people are coming in and starting to use bitcoin the price will go up and having a limited supply helps with that rise too. but we still need the increased adoption.  ETF isn't just some magic thing that can increase the adoption or prevent it which is why I believe its approval or rejection won't change much.

take a look at some charts and you should get a better answer.
the change can be anything and we have had huge changes in the past. but usually it is not bigger than 10% per day which can be considered as a small change since bitcoin is already volatile. amount doesn't matter ($100, $200) because it is relative. for example if price is $10 and it goes up $100 that is a gigantic rise but if price is $100,000 and goes up $100 that is nothing because the first one is 1000% rise and the second one is 0.1% rise.

No one can detect whales manipulation because its look like real trading dumped from bad news cryptocurrency

I'm sure whales manipulate the market. And it will end when most people sell their coins.

you should be patient with them, because they are screwing bitcoin at the moment, and this is one of their actions that makes you confused.

we are always under the room, we are not part of people who have control over the crypto market, so, we just follow the waves.

take advantage of the market situation to get profit. when you are lost from market analysis, the whale will make you die.

I think the bears are very tired. They can not break the level of 6000, and so now will move up. Bitcoin will now fluctuate at 7000, if it can overcome 8000, then we go up. Down is definitely not to be.

There is no way you can predicted and stay alerted before somethign like this happens. The best thing you can do is just to feel the current market situation and do a lot of research.

They want you to feel frustrated and sell your coins in the end. That's why it's so important to stay calm and wait whatever happens. Don't let them get your cheap coins.

Whenever the market rises or falls rapidly, it means that a lot of money is running, which is probably caused by whales!

Except you get a board room seat during the planning and strategizing, you can't for tell what the whales plan before they do it. But with their initial moves, you can predict their desires outcome and figure how to use it to your advantage.

it's hard to predict the whales manipulation because we never know when they enter or how they come , but mainly u can observe the btc amount the which they sell off and its great to watch the 4hr candle we can look at the candle analyse the resistance and support levels from where btc can bounce back  so it's better to analyse the chart's so it's easily we can predict how the btc flows.

I noticed that bitcoin is in the eye of the press these days. Every little activity about bitcoin is carried in the news leading to speculations of manipulations and so on. These cries will now drive the governments to begin to clampdown on bitcoin and then we will begin to complain.

Bitcoin is getting more recognition by the day so not only can such a price rise or fall be traceable to whales, bears or bulls.

unfortunately it is almost impossible exactly as it is impossible for everyone to work in this market

Its really difficult to predict about whales manipulation because nobody know when they manipulate market because its depend on their strategy what will be coin and what will time, we can't detect their action for market manipulation we need to our self whales to identify. many biggest bitcoin transactions prove whales exist in this market this can be a organization or group of peoples who is holding bitcoin in bulk size.

it's impossible. as you would not try but the whales know better than what will happen on the market

Undoubtedly, the rejected ETF proposal has strongly influenced on the crypto exchange markets. As a result, the prices of altcoins were dropped significantly. I guess that the "whales" were understanding that the SEC is likely refuse this proposal, but it seems that they have transferred all their funds into Bitcoin, and now the BTC dominance has increased.

Currently the "whales" are dumping all the crypto currencies by an average of -5%. Perhaps they just received a trading signal from the "hive" and now all coins are in red. I think you are not able to predict the tactics of "whales", because they listen attentively and look at the moods of the crowd and then move the markets in the counter direction.

It is difficult to predict whales movement if we have never experienced it before. Actually this pattern will occur repeatedly, for some traders may be used to seeing activities like that. Usually whales will not play alone, they are groups whose job is to lure small traders into their trap.

I'm using the "buy the rumor, sell the new" and "be fearfull when others are greedy" tactics and so far it has been doing well for me. The key here is to do the opposite of what the market is doing. Whales will do everything they can to buy cheap bitcoins from weak hands. So you ought to do the same by buying the dips.

2018 is an important year for the regulation of Cryptocurrency. In addition to the SEC filing lawsuits against scammers on ICOS, managers and the Department of Justice are also trying to combat dangerous market manipulations. Therefore, the price of whale manipulation market is quite expensive.

I have long understood that to predict manipulation is almost impossible if you are not part of the circle of people who organize it. Therefore, I stick to my line, namely I hold the bought coins with the expectation of growth at the end of the year.

The whales. It is said that 40% of the total bitcoin in circulation is owned by just 1,000 people. Are they the whales? Price manipulation by the so called bitcoin whales has always been a concern. But how true is this?

Are these whales solely responsible for the price increase or decrease? Could they really dictate the dips and rise of bitcoin? Or they simply lead the rally? I'd say do not depend on them. Depend on your financial stability. Simply learn to ride the wave and tides. Otherwise you'll be left quite frustrated everytime.

predicts the rise and decrease of the market. can be done by anyone rich or poor. there are predictions that predict but often do not. the predictions of 2018 are pretty much predictable here.

Most of the small cryptocurrency owners do not have experience in stock trading and do not know how to wait. They also do not have enough Fiat to not sell coins at low prices. They constantly need money for daily needs. Such people are always easy prey for whales.

I understand you, I am also tired of seeing such an incomprehensible trend. I do not listen to the news and do not watch, because I'm tired of them. Any news turns against bitcoin.

Its a good strategy to have 2 positions. It will minimize loses but will not maximize the profit because of the compensation for the loss. I suggest this strategy if you have the money to engage in different trading sites for arbitrage. Many traders earn a lot because of arbitration and I personally suggest it to you

exactly, yes it was so true to be that you are aware for what whales may ever have to make an action with well if you may knew all the certain thing before make a move would be as your best move to know what are the best that you may have to. Dont let whales would play you here.

It's really hard to predict whales because each of them have their own agenda and interest. One way that you can track them is by news and by reading the chart. If you hear about a negative news there is a possibility that they want to buy cheap and pump it after they bought.

This kind of market is controlled by few manipulators. There is little we can do about the situation. The only way to benefit from it is to buy some cheap coins when the market falls and sell when it rises.




This is the sad situation we find ourselves in. It is really hard to predict things now. The market rises and falls according to the wishes of few who are probably feeling like gods now.
They are trying to drive away speculators or to have everything under their control?

I think now whales are moving from altcoins to bitcoin. And that seems right to me. Many were convinced of the strong structure of bitcoin. Therefore, we will observe the growth of bitcoin in the near future. As for the altcoins, it is not clear the situation is happening. I cannot understand.

Lol.

No one ever predicted some whales. If whales wanna manipulate the market, we cannot stop them. I have seen how far they influenced the market. The market is uncontrollable when they do sell or buy their bitcoin. Sometimes, it so disappointment that reality sucks. They really controlled the bitcoin's price and probably the market. Mostly, newbies are suffering because they will panic-buy/panic-sell which is actually a wrong move.

If bitcoin drastically drops, then it is most likely the manipulation of the market. So be patient and do not sell your coins. And to foresee when the manipulations will be performed is absolutely impossible.

Whales strike at the most unexpected moment when people have lost hope and they are in despair ! This applies not only to bitcoins but also altcoins so when you think that this is the end do not forget that this is only the beginning !

Its hard to find whales manipulation on market. I think whales will not use retail exchanger because they using a lot capital to buy and sell crypto. I am assume they use OTC for their trade. If whales come to market, hopely can increasing bitcoin price

Predicting it seems impossible to me. But create an environment where their manifestations will be negligible. One of the ways is massiveness and widespread use in real life.

Just trying to figure out how an everyday investor could predict this. ... that starts selling as soon as whale manipulates the price a little bit.

after they sold out a lot some time ago and made the market crash, they already have a big profit. then they will buy on a large scale when the price is falling and will make the price back at the pump. and then they are ready to sell again.

You can't predict the behavior of market with 100% accuracy. Just look what is going on around and trade for small amount of assets.

understanding technical analysist makes us know how the price will be
but remember that the predict doesnt have 100% right

Well whales are always smart to the extent that most a time there take the ordinary investors unaware of they next move and at that always leave them unconscious. So the best thing to do is just to be a risk taker and never have a 100% assurance when it comes to the price at any point in time.

There is always the perception or notion that blockchain technology is really decentralized.But the issue has always been that those with large amount of bitcoin who are affectionately known as the whales controls the market and that is the real truth. It is the wish for everyone to be signaled before any manipulation takes place but it is not an easy task to find the right channel to that effect.

You can't really predict manipulation, because they likely manipulate when ever they want not when we expect,  that's why we've been waiting for bull run since January till this moment nothing has happened

Actually these whales only give a red signal, then people will panic and sell it at a low price. When you like this you have to make the right decision, go with their flow or fight their flow.
These whales work together, they have a team to manipulate the market, so I hope you can just go with their flow

In a general terms the easiest way to know that whales are at their manipulation game is how and manner the market operate, in the sense that bitcoin is a volatile commodity and at that no body can predict what will happen in the future and it hard to use it present market situation to predict it future so at that any one coming to tell you that the market will crash due to certain event it a fake news and that is whales at work. And always try to carry out your own personal research about the market and how it works rather relying on what news you hear.

If the whales are actually manipulating the crypto-currencies trading market to cause other investors to sell away their crypto-currencies in panic mode during a huge price plunge, I guess the best way to fight against the price manipulation by whales is to totally ignore looking at the trading chart during a huge price dip, traders should just take a short break from trading and allow the trading market to regain some stability before deciding their next trading action.

Understanding the chart data is a good way to identify the possibilities of the involvement of the big whales and institutional investors. Even though I am a fan of fundamental analysis, I do prefer technical analysis for prediction for the short term. Sadly, there is no place for non-whales to get authentic information in the first place itself. Any information or tip from the random telegram group is not a wise idea to follow.

I think that understanding the psychology of whales and hamsters is very important. In addition, you need to evaluate the prospects at the moment.

Predicting whale manipulation is a task that is difficult to be carried out of course if there could be a way out then every trader will be rich by now therefore the best bet is to study technical analysis very well as it will aid  and guide a trader on a potential fall or rise in the  price in addition to good money management.

It is a difficult task of course but then if you have the determination and willingness to learn it then you can do it. It may not be as perfect as it should be that one can predict the movement of the whales but at least, you would be able to ride some of their movements.

One of the things that I have notice is the change in volume. Once you see that a coin has a volume higher than normal or the volume is building up and the price is still consolidating then expect that there will be a big movement sooner or later.

we have very good game from big investors, keywords from trading, follow the direction of big traders moving and always be aware of things that sometimes happen suddenly, crypto currency is very attractive for big investors to always play great, don't get carried away seeing the price rise , and don't panic when you see a drop in prices, always calm it is possible ...

I think it is almost impossible to predict whale manipulations. The most important movements in the market occur in information silence. If you do not have insider information, then there is very little chance that you can predict whale manipulations.

but if the market drop price is continuous and recovery can take a very long time, it will be better if we play short on certain coins and not only rely on the coins that we have held before, because if we just hold it, then the profit and time we spend is not worthed

No one can predict when the whales will perform the following manipulation. All traded already on the basis of the overall market situation.
If you always sell / buy at the wrong time, then I dare to assume that you don't study technical analysis, don't work with charts and indicators. After all, real whale manipulations don't occur every day, so on those days when a manipulative pump or dump occurs, you can simply refrain from trading. And if you learn to understand charts correctly, then you will be able to successfully earn on this manipulations. In any case, everything depends on the knowledge and experience.

From my point of view,one can predict whales manipulation by watching how whales sell of huge amount of bitcoin.For whales to buy bitcoin cheap ,they sell of huge amount of coin ,and as a result, weak traders sell off very cheap.Whales also achieve this by breaking market structure and as well break the strongest support level.Whales manipulate the price of btc when they see there is a big news coming.
However, whales also place high buy wall and high sell wall just to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

very easy, when you see a graph changing very significantly and abnormally, it is a sign that the market is manipulated by the whales, then you have to find information about the crypto world, and you will find the same situation between market conditions and information.

'Inner Circle' It's always a conspiracy. Secret organizations working together to manipulate anything and everything they want. The crypto market is no exemption. Some of you may know and relate to the terms 'Inner Circle' and 'Secret Society/Organization.' A common knowledge that we have gotten used to and ignore for generations. But this group is cookin' up something...and I doubt it will be anything good.

As many have said, it is quite difficult unless you belong to that world, the only thing you can do is see the movements and try to predict whether it is due to some important news or an attempt of manipulation by the whales, for that you need a little patience and be aware of the news of the market.

In my opinion. it is very difficult to predict this. many crypto experts have predicted but the results are negative. this currency is very difficult to predict, and the holder of the value of this currency is in the hands of the largest owner. so that the most owners of this currency play an active role in controlling the value of this currency. and a lot of news that states if the price decline is due to Christmas and the turn of the year.

Whales manipulations of the bitcoin and altcoin prices are merely speculations until proven true. This is the hard truth above these whales. They exist but we can't see them, but you can feel the effect. With this kind of market, it is better not to get panic when these whales started to dive deeper. The good thing about whales is th time when they really jump high, starting a bull run. So, you just patience. This is unpredictable, you might get disappointed.

Whale manipulation in the crypto market trade is very difficult to predict, even almost impossible to know. Because they move not alone, but simultaneously in achieving the goal. For example, if they want the price to go down, there will be lots of crypto currencies sold so that the market responds and prices fall. Vice versa if they want prices to rise.

I think it's beyond prediction since there isn't a generally accepted time for them to start selling or buying large amount of cryptocurrencies in order to manipulate the price.

this is just my own prediction about whale manipulation, I just see the volume in https://coinmarketcap.com/, the volume will suddenly disappear if the whale is manipulating prices, do you believe? look and pay close attention

You can't protect big whale manipulating in Bitcoin or other cryptocurrency because any single people unable to protect BCH hard fork manipulating.
In the Bearish market SV is manipulating the current market you have to look price up down in everyday.

Although is very difficult to understand how the whales push the market to their favour but one thing you should notice is that when the whales are about to sell or buy you will see the order book filled with huge volume of buy or sell order. There is no alert for this but your consistent trading will be make you to discover this on time but a huge bull or bear candle is completely form.

I also believe that some groups of people, ie “whales”, can manipulate the market with the help of large capital in order to achieve some of their goals and make a profit. But to predict when there will be a decrease or increase in prices in the market is impossible; we can only monitor and react to the current market situation and make decisions based on it.

I think to predict the manipulation of large whales impossible . Even if you see a lot of buy or sell orders , you still can't know what will happen the next day and where a big whale will lead the market .

I think that it is very hard to predict whale manipulation but I guess we can only speculate that maybe it is being manipulated by the whales due to sudden market crash.

Money is power, if you only have small amount of money then you better to follow what those whales doing, now they want make bitcoin price drop so just follow them then when they stop do this then they will start to pump bitcoin price again to get more attention from small investors to invest in bitcoin as well then panic buying will be occur. At that time we should follow the market again because we don't have the power what we need is to avoid greediness and afraidness, just see what the trend, last year is the trend for pump and this year is the time to find time when we can buy bitcoin at lowest price, because bitcoin still has good future.

actually no one knows how to predict it correctly, but there should be signs that will occur before the manipulation. For example there are transactions in large numbers leading to one exchange and also a suspicious pattern on Buy and Sell orders. Sometime its appear and gone in fast, i mean its there to distract other trader to put their order in it

You need to be in the whales shoes before you can predict what they want to do...I think those whales will not share their ideas to us. Those type of people are much greedy to our money and as long as they can sustain the price they will do just to stay the price to a comfortable level that they can easily manipulate.

That is very clever but I don't think that even how much we imagined it, predicting is still the best that we can do. Whales will be whales and they will do what they are best at, and if causing panic so weak-handed traders will sell is in their plan they are doing just fine. We all have our own strategy to earn money here and if those who are successful in this will tell, then I believe that all people who are here will become rich easily.

I agree, when there are surprising spikes in prices due to no good reason whatsoever, they indicate collusion and market manipulation. To determine whether the price would be manipulated to go up or go down? Surely if we know then they lose all power.

Unless you are part of the group of whales that manipulate the market there is no way to know when the manipulation is going to start ahead of time, after all they are just going to pick a moment in time in which they are going to begin to perform their manipulation so there is no indicator or fundamental analysis that can tell you when that will happen, so you should forget about that.

no one knows when they will buy and when they will sell, they come suddenly. if someone knows about this problem it means that the person is part of the pope's group.

Most of the manipulation probably comes from the exchanges themselves.   They actively trade against their users.  It's well documented that they do this.   They state that their trade "Teams" don't have any data that any other trader has.. but ummm.. You know they have more.  They can see all cash flows in and out of the exchange.  How much is in each account and what orders are being placed..   If you see someone drop in 100k BTC and start market selling.. what would you do?   I'd sell as quick as possible and open a ton of shorts.  Voila... this is what you see now.


Now the opposite, see a bunch of cash come in and you buy right away before the users get a chance to buy.

You can't predict a manipulation, that is not how manipulation works. If whales are doing predictable stuff than you can position yourself accordingly and if you position yourself accordingly than they can't manipulate which means you positioned yourself for something that didn't happen. Hence, manipulations needs to manipulate in order to succeed and if they are successful that means you failed to predict it.

The idea behind manipulation and what it is disallows others to predict manipulations, at least not on a big number, couple people may guess correctly but it can't be a big number of people or it will fail and won't be a manipulation to begin with. Hence there is no way of knowing when a manipulation will happen, it is theoretically impossible to do something like that.

Besides it is not like the whales are dumb, they will take advantage of the natural opportunities that appear in the market, and the best example is what it is happening now, I think the crash we are seeing began naturally with people selling their coins sick of the bear market but the whales saw a chance and made the price to crash even harder and now they can take advantage of the low prices.

Most of the whales are participate in this scenario because current scenario high margin trading is the good profitable so all the whales are buying and selling in every day. It is reflected in daily market so price manipulation is easily calculate in whales. We also have good chance to buying and selling  in crypto investment.

Unless you know someone or you're part of a group of people with enough bitcoins to sway the market, you'll never know. It'll always be beyond us regular traders and investors. You'll only get frustrated thinking about it.

To tell you honestly, I was being pissed off with those whales. Whenever I do swing or margin trading, there are times that whales seems to control the market. And the sad part is that we can not predict when they are going to enter the market. There is no such signs or strategies to know exactly when is the time they are going to manipulate the market unless they are already in the market.

In forex we only know manipulations by the whales through candlestick formations because some whales has agreed to buy or sell when a particular patterns appear and if you can know those patterns you will definitely going to makes good profits from the market.  However Cryptocoins market is not mature enough for that to happen.

We can't know for sure if is the whales who buy or sell and trying to manipulate price and other people who follow the price to sell or to buy coin, we can only wait and see if there is real support or no, or just hold coins.

Of course any sign when the market in manipulation, I think you often see in the market of altcoin, there are buy orders with the same amount at different prices, they try to drive prices up or down. look at the volume and buy-sell orders

Well, I have read an article somewhere, where the writer claimed and backed it up with facts that it is absolutely possible to use technical analysis to  judge the actions of whales, I have not tried this though, I wish I can get the article out again to try it, but funny enough it has always been a coincidence for me to invest when they are about taking a pump action on a particular coin, just like what happened on bitcoin, though that one was not a whale action, I got paid for a service rendered and my instinct told me to keep it why I was tempted to withdraw it, I followed my instinct and little did I know that Bitcoin was going to perform such sweet magic.